tv Andrea Mitchell Reports MSNBC April 16, 2021 9:00am-10:00am PDT
good day. this is andrea mitchell reports. i am in for andrea in washington with the latest on the breaking news out of indianapolis. local police and federal officials just spoke to reporters about the overnight shooting at a fedex facility ending with at least eight dead, wounded an gunman taking his own life. >> when officers arrived they found a chaotic crime scene. they found several victims injured and several deceased as well as the suspect who was deceased as well of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. he came to this facility, got out of his car and pretty quickly started some random shooting outside the facility.
there was no confrontation with anyone that was there. no disturbance, no argument. he just appeared to randomly start shooting. >> a fedex employee who experienced the terror from inside the facility. >> i hear six shots fired rapidly and then ten shots. i stand up and i see a man, a hooded figure. i was unable to see his face in detail. however the man did have an ar in his hand and he started shouting and firing in random directions. when this same man who was not a part of the incidence, but he also pulled out a gun from his truck to try and engage the
shooter. and he died because of this. >> terrifying. antonis is there. >> reporter: coming out of the conference what struck me the most was the scene was heartbreaking and chaotic but remains that way about 12 hours or so later. what reporters were hoping to hear was information about identity of the shooter, more information about the victims, their stories, potential relationship the shooter may have had to the facility or workers there that night. we are waiting for that information. the police say it's too early to speculate on motive. what transpired last night happened within a matter of minutes. he killed eight employees at the plant. the deputy police chief made it
sound like he didn't get too far into the plant, but even with that, was able to wreak havoc. part of the chaos people were talking about reporters, part of what is contributing to it, employees working on the floor of the fedex facility said they are not allowed to have fedex phones on the floor. they are asked to keep them in their locker. they weren't able to reach out to loved ones or take pictures or videos themselves. there are still family members flooding in asking police to reach their friends and family. we saw a former employee minutes ago who was standing in the field having texted and called some of his friends he worked with and still awaiting information how they are doing.
many are still being actively interviewed. their families are still being contacted. that process is painstaking. investigators and detectives need to be in touch with those folks and their families before they are able to give that information to us. >> just so much we don't know. antonia hilton, thank you for the information. catherine, thanks for making time to be with us this afternoon. can you talk about where this investigation goes from here especially considering how much, as antonia just laid out, we don't know. >> absolutely. you heard from the press conference this morning, they are working together. the fbi has people doing interviews and gathering evidence at the scene. you only get one time to do that. even though people are impatient
and i appreciate they want answers. you only get one time to interview people. the medical examiner said it will take time to identify people. the first thing you do is gather information at the scene. once people step into the scene you don't have that anymore. one of the things we do with evidence collection is look where every round goes, the weapon used, where every round goes, in a person or in the facility. it is a big facility to search. fbi has people there, state police and local police. sadly, we know how to do this. 20 years ago we weren't as good at it. they set up their victims coordination, brought buses in
to do the interviews. that process, taking the initial steps and now the steps they have to do with investigative. it will just take time. >> it makes sense, but discouraging we have done this so many times, for that to be true. the eyewitnesss that spoke with savannah and hoda, they thought they heard a car backfiring and then they they heard it was dangerous. >> a shooting that occurs in a place like this, a shipping plant, most shooters come from inside the facility. almost all of them are employees, fired employees, disgruntled employees. be kind, be aware of the people around you. it is the people around you who may be the people who come back
and do this. that's one thing. another thing is understand and appreciate that these still are rare circumstances. we have so many shootings in the united states, 48,000 suicides last year. these type of shootings are very rare so people need to think about what you heard some of the witnesses say, i just thought escape, escape. run, hide, fight. i can't say it over and over and over again. see something, say something or run, hide, fight. >> thank you very much for your time and insights this afternoon. we appreciate it. let's go to chicago where leaders are calling for calm as people respond to the body video showing an officer involved shooting ending with the death of a 13-year-old.
the gun was at the scene and threw it away less than a second before being shot. a warning, this video is disturbing. >> stop, stop right now! stop! >> shots fired, shots fired. get an ambulance here now. >> tell us, how are the family doing. what are their legal representation and the chicago community saying? how are they responding to all of this? >> the attorney for adam's family says this did not have to end as tragically as it did. they believe the officer did not have to use deadly force. they say whether adam had a gun in his hand at some point or not. they say when the officer
screamed at him to show his hands, they say the teenager complied and there is video of adam standing with his hands up, and it appears he does not have a gun in his hand at that moment. because of that the family is saying deadly force was not necessary, but police put the point out, this video shows it happened in less than a second. it was milliseconds it took for this exchange to occur. the officer was identified as 34-year-old eric stillman. he has been placed on administrative leave. >> the community has been calling for accountability and a change in police, if you will. there have been protests over the last few days including last night which was peaceful.
another demonstration is planned for tonight. authorities hope that will be peaceful as well. >> rehema ellis in chicago. thank you for that report. let's go to our panel. thank you all for being here. melissa, let me start with you. we heard former washington, d.c. police chief charles ramsey say the officer's actions were reasonable. what was your analysis of what we see on this video of this 13-year-old boy? >> again, very little evidence other than the video so it's hard to make firm conclusions about what happened and what the officers were thinking at the time. but, again, this is a 13-year-old boy. he was unarmed, has his hands up
in the video. that is important evidence. but there is a broader issue. we have had in the last week a state of these police killings of unarmed individuals. i think it prompts a conversation about the nature of policing in this country. perhaps the chauvin trial could have been a conduit. but the prosecution went to great pains to paint mr. chauvin as a rogue cop rather than protocol. this is perhaps a missed opportunity to have a larger conversation, but these other police killings give us another opportunity to engage more deeply with the question whether public safety is at the top of the mind when thinking about police protocol. >> so much pain across the country. minneapolis, brooklyn center
now, chicago. communities grieving at the loss of pieces of themselves essentially, especially for the family members of the victims here. to melissa's point, how do we figure out how to move forward and have the next iteration of this conversation? what do we need to be focused on right now? >> let me say, you are absolutely right. not only families grieving, but as these images are looped and layered on top of each other, you have to imagine communities beings black folk around the country terrorized by having to see these images over and other again. not only because they are horrific, but because they generate an occasion for us to worry about our own family members, our children, husbands,
wives. that's the first thing. for generations, the age of reagan what defined by policing black and brown communities that had violence at their core. we thought of them as super predators, thought of it as tough love crime. the black box in chicago emerged out of this framework. you think about the very weighs in which our communities have been perceived to justify this form of policing. we have to in some ways, quickly, challenge the underlying assumptions in surveilling. >> you have the floor as far as i am concerned, eddie. >> we have to challenge what melissa just suggested. we have to interrogate what we mean by public safety when it comes to particular communities. >> so, david, let me get you two
to weigh in on that. melissa mentioned the chauvin trial. that's a specific case. their goal is to bring justice and derek chauvin convicted. but this bigger question we are grappling with about how we deal with policing, what is your view of these complicated and thorny issues? >> i can tell you what mr. murray and mr. glaude said, because in derek chauvin's trial for killing george floyd, this has been echoing in my mind. mr. mcmillan said to george floyd you can't win. that ties all of these cases together. this isn't theory. i have been ordered out of my car three times, stopped many
times. an officer motions for you to get out and approach. what do you do? if you ask for mercy, george floyd did that, doesn't matter. if you don't obey, you get into a trouble, you get tazed. -- tated and that's what leads to getting shot. that's when things are on the verge of combusting like we are seeing in minneapolis right now. the only thing that has led to meaningful change is people taking to the streets and protesting, but we see this common playbook where authorities make promises they don't intend to keep. i think that is what is going on in brooklyn park right now. >> thank y'all for being part of
this very important krngs today. i am sure we will hear your voices continuing on as we unfortunately deal with this epidemic in the months ahead. president biden hosting the japanese prime minister at the white house. what is in store for this dignitary? >> and the impact of the january 6 insurrection is still being felt in ways big and small. g felt in ways big and small
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>> it's great to see both of you. kristen, the president put out a statement moments ago about the shooting in indianapolis. jen psaki was also pressed on gun violence last hour. all of us are shaken by waking up to news like this over and over and over again which is why the white house still has to grapple with this question so many times. this is the third mass shooting in less than 100 days. let me read the statement the white house just put out --
this has clearly shaken the white house. they advised a series of executive actions, including ghost guns, guns that don't have serial numbers to put guns together. but that doesn't include the house. there is action to pass those bills. take a look at this exchange. >> we have seen in terms of response to covid-19 what a response from this government looks like to this pandemic. why not the same level of response to this issue of gun violence. >> he believes gun violence is an epidemic, a public health crisis. in order to put permanent changes in place, that is going
to require congress acting. states can also take action. this is a constant discussion around this white house. >> you mentioned the white house will be meeting with the prime minister of japan. they will hold a joint news conference. i wouldn't be surprised if this was front and center, if president biden got asked about this. >> ashley parker, my question, having covered this issue from the other side of pennsylvania avenue, how much is the biden administration willing to spend. we know how these measures fail to pass. getting something through will have to require the intense support from the white house, pressure from the white house on members of their own party and members of the opposite party as well. do you see the white house applying this kind of force to this issue?
>> the challenges that this issue faces making its way through congress. this was one of biden campaign promises, an issue that he didn't take as much robust executive action on day one in a way that surprised and frustrated people looking for more reform. this is more in my conversations with what you cover as well, talking to members on capitol hill and their aides, there is a sense of intractable issues. there is a struggle on infrastructure which is theoretically bipartisan. gun crisis is an area they are
most unable to push back on. >> that is discouraging, but makes sense on my reporting as well. kristen, there is one bright spot where we seem to be seeing some possible agreement from members of congress in both parties. that is an effort to curve hate based violence against asian americans. one of the mass shootings targeted asian women. i know the president met with several members of congress with members of the community. what came out of that meeting and what do you expect to see on that front? >> i think you are right. the president coming out of that meeting yesterday expressed confidence there is in fact bipartisan support to move that legislation forward that would crackdown on hate crimes. that is one tangible take away from the meeting. but, again, these are steps that
are really just starting to be taken because there is so much work. if you talk to members of the community, they have pressed the biden administration to have more diversity within its ranks even though the biden administration touts the fact they have authority. but they say there needs to be more representation, there is a liason. i think those discussions will continue and intensify, quite frankly. >> thank you so much more being here. appreciate your reporting as always. coming up next, concerns over rare blood clots connected with the j&j vaccine. ripple effects around the world. dr. fauci's drop mike moment in
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welcome back. the united states continues to investigate the blood clots in 6 people out of nearly 6 million people who got the johnson & johnson vaccine. johnson & johnson said it will delay its european rollout and it is a big blow to the eu's rollout efforts on the heels of the astrazeneca vaccine. sarah harmon is in london. how are officials trying to sort
through this and make up for the delay? >> casey, this is a bit of deja vu. first the problems with astrazeneca and now the news that johnson & johnson are delaying their rollout. they were expecting about 50 million doses to arrive between now and the end of june. it is the one-shot wonder. 50 million europeans that won't get that. they are trying to bet big on the shot. they have ordered 1.8 million doses of the pfizer vaccine. earlier in the year german chancellor had guaranteed every person who wanted a vaccine would be able to get one by summer. i asked earlier if that was still the case and she didn't
seem optimistic. >> if chancellor merkel is promising in the summer everyone is getting vaccinated and we are back to normal life, that is nothing that is going to happen. >> casey, perhaps just as a sign of how fluid this hope situation is, the german chancellor today received her first shot of the astrazeneca vaccine which was temporarily suspended in europe for a while. it is a moving target, but europe is far behind both the u.s. and uk, and it doesn't look like they will be catching up soon. >> a difficult situation. thanks for that report. joining us now to milwaukee more about this is the senior scholar. doctor, good to have you here again. we know we can't contain the
virus until it is contained across the globe. it can travel more easily than other vaccines, the j&j. how are we going to fix it? >> the longer the pause, the harder to restart. this is a single dose, one and done. we are already seeing a cascading impact in the united states with delays in europe. we have heard that australia is not buying this vaccine and south africa is not using it. this is on top of the astrazeneca vaccine faltering in a similar manner. there are cascading negative impacts and the general public don't make risk calculations. they will remember the headlines
and not how rare these side effects are. >> can you talk about how the astrazeneca vaccine and j&j vaccine are similar to each other in category to the pfizer and moderna vaccines? >> both use a whole different technology, something called an adeno virus. what they have done is engineered adeno virus to deliver the spike protein to your cells. that's what is important for your immunity. moderna and pfizer take the gene, the messenger rna sequence of that protein and give it to you directly in your body. it's a totally different way. because they both use the same technology and seem to cause the same side's effect in extreme and rare circumstances, people
are hypothesizing that it is the carrier used for blood components and setting off this blood clotting. the russian vaccine also uses adenoviruses, so we are waiting to see if this is in other vaccines as well. >> public health officials are trying to reassure people here. the surgeon general appeared in the white house briefing room and tried to reassure people this will be fine if this is the shot you already received. let me sow you what he had to say and we will talk more about it. >> this is your safety system working for you. we want people to have confidence. the vaccines we are recommending are safe and effective and this is how we do them. >> they say this is proof we are being honest with you. if we catch a problem, we will
tell you about it. you should feel safe or good when we make a recommendation. with this pause, do you think americans will be willing to go and get the j&j vaccine especially if they have the option for the pfizer or moderna. >> i think we will see hesitancy with the j&j vaccine. and we saw the same thing in new york, a hesitancy after they lifted the astrazeneca pause it. the cdc could have had an investigation, alerted health care providers, talked to the general public and if they were going to do a pause, not make it blanket, but make it the people at risk, 18 to 48-year-old women. i think you probably would not have lost as many to vaccine hesitancy. i hope i am wrong but i think we
will see more people shying away from the johnson & johnson vaccine. i think this is a vaccine being hit with bad headlines through no fault of its own. >> it's interesting when you think about what the alternatives are. maybe we haven't focused on that enough. doctor, thank you so much for being with us as always. coming up next, 100 days after the insurrection at capitol hill, what have we learned. arned. because when caught in early stages, it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers even in early stages. tell me more. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your prescriber or an online prescriber if cologuard is right for you. i'm on it. sounds like a plan.
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hour, the leader of the oath keepers entered a plea. meanwhile the memories are fresh for those at the capitol and want to be sure that those that weren't there remember the impact years down the road. >> where do you come down on that? senator mitt romney has argued keep that broken glass broken. let people never forget that? >> i do think that level of preservation is something we should remember so that visual clues are there that indicate those stories. i think certainly mr. romney felt this in a very visceral way. >> joining me now is our nbc
news capitol hill correspondent. you and i covers mitt romney together. you and i were standing about 20 feet apart on the day. we had to cover what turned into a partisan war. a commission to investigate it is stalled. what are your reflexes and thoughts as we think about the last 100 days and grapple with what happened on january 6. >> i won't forget it. i am standing in the same spot i was in until about 4:00 in the morning the next day after the capitol was finally recleared. once congress could go back in so the vote counting process could continue. i talked to ron johnson about if he had any responsibility for
what happened earlier in the day. he told me flatly no. i think we knew it was going to become partisan to memory holding and people trying to rewrite what happened. you see it now in creating a 9/11 style commission to properly study what happened. so they look to pass a supplemental bill to help the capitol police. but you have everyone in this community, those physically here, the lawmakers, staff, journalists, capitol police officers who are still living with the way that day changed everything. i think we should highlight our colleague who put together this very moving photo essay and a video component of it. he spoke to one of the capitol police captains about how she
feels coming back to work every day. that part of the story is important, too. listen to this. >> i think the moment whenever it was all over, the insurrection was all over and i got to sit down and really reflect on what happened, that sticks with me the most. i felt sad, anger, just there were a lot of emotions going through my mind. i am still trying to process it. i still have moments where i get really upset. i hope they will remember how hard we fought and the bravery of the officers that were here. >> there has been so much post-traumatic stress for people around this. every time there is lockdown because of smoke at an overpass on the highway here and you heard that happened a couple weeks after the attack.
that was traumatic for people here. the death of officer evans a few weeks after that rekindled a lot of this. what you heard from the captain is important. remember how hard those officers fought. we are learning in realtime the ways they were set up for failure. that is something that congress will have to agrees going forward. >> that was remarkable work by our colleague. that line stood out to me, too. i hope they remember how hard we fought. i know i will for one and you will, too. and hopefully so will the rest. thanks, my friend, appreciate you being here. for more you can logon to today.com. i wrote a personal essay. it was a difficult day for you will of us that were there. up next, president biden trying to set the right
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moscow. >> i was clear with president putin that we could have gone further. but i chose not to do so. i chose to be proportionate. we want a stable, predictable relationship. if russia continues to interfere with our democracy, i'm prepared to take further action to respond. >> joining me now is jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the pentagon and cia. it seems like this is a delicate balancing act. sanctions but saying out loud he wants to try to deescalate. do you think this is the right way to handle it? it doesn't seem like the response from moscow necessarily fits with what the president says he is trying to achieve. >> i do think the president is approaching this appropriately. every time you have diplomacy with an adversary -- ronald reagan had to deal with the soviet union. you want to engage.
you want to clearly demarch -- demarcate the lines. we are holding you responsible for the massive hack, your election interference which happened not just in 2016 but also 2020 according to our intelligence community leadership. in that way, it's a pitch. it's a deterrent against russia. there's a more dangerous situation in crimea. the nations of the g7 issued a strong statement warning moscow against furthering escalating. >> i'm glad you brought that up. i was going to ask you about that next. there has been some criticism or some rumbling the sanctions didn't go far enough for that reason, because of the troops that are along the border with ukraine. what additional steps are in the arsenal for the united states but also our g7 allies as we confront that challenge?
>> this week secretary austin announced we're going to re-station 600 troops in germany to make sure we are there and prepare and ready. sanctions, as you were alluding to, are part of the puzzle. we will be doing -- undertaking an enormous effort to modernize our technology, bolster cyber defenses here at home. there are covert activities -- i presume that they will go out and hold russian assets at some risk. by that i mean potentially some cyber activity we would engage. bolstering the nato alliance. i think they are making sure all partners, the united states, canada and our transatlantic partners are ready if russia
makes a move on nato's doorstep. that's a strong deterrent against moscow. >> a good point. briefly, jeremy, before i let you go, we saw the surprise visit from the secretary of state to afghanistan. what's your view of president biden's decision to withdraw troops by september 11th? what pitfalls do we have to watch out for going forward? >> i think it was the right decision. the previous administration, the trump administration struck a deal with the taliban that said we will leave. if we didn't leave, i think the taliban would have escalated and we would have been forced to escalate. there's no way of staying in place. we would have had to escalate. i think president biden made the decision. we have been there 20 years. there are soldiers fighting who weren't born on 9/11. we have gotten as much as we're going to get out of it. we haven't made a lot of advancements. al qaeda is dangerous elsewhere.
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if it's friday, another mass shooting in america. this time a gunman killed eight people at a fedex facility in indianapolis. authorities are searching for a motive as they try to identify both the victims and the shooter. new covid concerns as some states see dramatic increases in cases, hospitalizations and, yes, deaths. news today about when officials plan to make a decision on the future of johnson & johnson's vaccine. later, president biden holds his first face to face meeting with a world leader. the same week he announces he is pulling weeks from afghanistan, new sanctions on russia and his administration declaring china the greatest risk to the united states. ♪♪