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apparently will now seek to graduate from being a guy who ended the life of a young black woman to being a vampire who turns her death, at his hands, into personal profit and right-wing stardom. that is tonight's reid out. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on "all in." 100 days later, the big lie that spurred the insurrection is a republican campaign slogan. >> america suffered the worst voter fraud in election theft in history. [ applause ] >> tonight the politicians still pushing the big lie and profiting from it. plus a founding member of a militia gripe pleads guilty to breaching the capitol. and generous he will honore joins me on what needs to be done to protect the capitol from further attack. then. >> this has to end. it's a national embarrassment. it is a national embarrassment
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what's going on, and it's not only these mass shootings that are occurring. every single day -- every single day there is a mass shooting in the united states if you count all those who were killed out on the streets of our cities and our rural areas. it's a national embarrassment and must come to an end. >> another horrific mass shooting, another reminder the exceptional violence in america. and the new america first caucus in washington with what sure looks like an outright white nationalist agenda. when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. it has been 100 days since the trump mob insurrection and thousands and thousands of rioters stormed the u.s. capitol falsely claiming the election was stolen from donald trump. it happened on january 6th, and today 100 days later, we still all live under the shadow of the
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big lie, the lie looms over all of us because large parts of the republican party and the conservative movement have embraced it. and i have to say, they have embraced it for a perfectly logical reason. because it is a useful lie for them. there is a financial reward to begin with for people like senators ted cruz and josh hawley who pushed the lie that led to the insurrection. those two senators raised huge sums in the first three months of the year. senator cruz brought in a whopping $3.6 million to his senate reelection committee while senator hawley took in another 3 million. this money is their reward for lying to the american people and attempting to overturn democratic election to bring to an end 240 years of peaceful transfer of power. so they had done that and the short-term gain has been money to help them pursue more power. again, it's logical. even supposedly fringe figures
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georgia marjorie taylor greene in the trump face mask are cleaning up. she raised a staggering $3.2 million. that's because the base likes the lie and they financially reward people that carry the lie. in fact, one of the first pillars of the deeply nativist america first caucus, that greene is now looking to launch with some of her colleagues is a range of lies about supposed election fraud and a promise of substantive investigations into mass voter fraud perpetuated during the 2020 election. the big lie is basically integral to their caucus, which seeks to, and i quote here, protect anglo saxon political traditions. the outright racist caucus later in the show. there is an incentive for republicans. if you continue to tell this lie, undermine american democracy, you will be rewarded with cash. in fact, it's more than that, right? the lie is now in the process of
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becoming a kind of litmus test for the future of the party. remember the republican georgia secretary of state brad? he's facing a challenge who is running on the platform, yes, i would steal the election. you have to kick out the guy who depth. heis is one of many republicans who launched campaigns this year specifically built on the big lie. >> in 2020, america suffered the worst voter fraud and election theft in history. >> there are strong and unanswered questions about statistically impossible election results. unanswered questions of video, boxes of votes being pulled out and counted. >> it might be months, might be years, might be decades. when we look back on this election, we'll see in large part it was stolen from president trump.
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>> all those men, those are all republican senate candidates. they are not the fringe. all of them could win and be in the u.s. senate. that's the party now. at least a huge chunk of it, right? and again, the big lie isn't just useful to republicans seeking power, like those men you saw there who are willing to debase themselves so that they can achieve power. it's also a tool to change the rules and suppress the vote which benefits the broader republican project, right? republicans cite the big lie to claim that they are just addressing legitimate concerns about election security. so when they push voting measures across the country to create hurdles for tens of millions of voters, the brennan center reporting legislators have introduced 361 bills restrict provisions in 47 states. when they do that, right, they defend these bills by claiming they just want to restore the american people's faith in our elections. there's a lot of questions out there, a lot of doubts. got to do something about it.
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the only reason so many people questioned our elections in the first place, of course, is because donald trump and fox and republicans keep lying to them over and over, like those men you saw there before, like ted cruz and josh hawley. by falsely claiming widespread voter fraud and sowing the seeds of doubt. it's their ploy to pass laws to keep them in power. look at texas where republican lawmakers have been pushing voter restriction laws. they have a new bill that would require people to register to vote twice. once for federal elections and separately for state elections. and the idea, according to the folks at democracy docket, is to evade federal rights protections that could pass into law this year. with voters in state elections able to ignore federal requirements. the trump mob insurrection we saw 100 days ago was eventually turned back before the insurrectionists could overthrow our democracy. and make no mistake, the spirit of that insurrection lives on
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within the republican party. you could even argue it's the guiding principle of the party. you could see it in the candidates who continue to push the big lie, the candidates who raise money off it. the lawmakers who vote for voter suppression bills and the officials who profess fealty to the man who almost ended 200 american years of democracy. it endures as the justification republicans use to seek power by any means necessary. the big question now is whether they will succeed where those insurrectionists failed. i'm joined now by a man whose job it is to beat back the republican assault on our democracy, the chair of the democratic national committee, jamie harrison. jamie, if we went back 100 days to january 6, we had fresh in our minds what we had just seen which we all watched happen in real-time. would you have expected the party to have the relationship to that day and to the big lie that prompted it that it does
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have now, which is to basically make it kind of part of the canon for what it is to be a republican? >> you know, chris, i think back to that day quite often. you know, i used to work on capitol hill right in the u.s. capitol on the third floor of the capitol. my window looked out to the mall. i could see the washington monument. i loved that place and i loved the building. i love it because of the promise that it has. the promise it makes to the american people. what we saw that day broke my heart. it made me furious. it made me angry. but what was even worse than the insurrection itself were the members of congress, the republican members of congress -- let me be specific -- who, in essence, took their oath of office to protect and defend the constitution of the united states and ripped it up and tore it into pieces. it is shameful, absolutely shameful what they have done to
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this democracy of ours, and they don't deserve to be in power. i'm not saying this in a partisan sense. i'm saying this in terms of the future of our democracy, the future of this country, which is to protect and defend the constitution of the united states, to work on behalf of the people of this great nation. these people have betrayed that trust and they no longer deserve to be in power. >> i mean, i wouldn't disagree, right. they are not going anywhere. i mean, this is the reality we're all wrestling with i think in this country right now, right? because you have -- you have two major parties in america, two major coalitions. it's not like it's a 70/30 country. even when democrats are doing very well it's a 55/45 country, something like that, 52/55. they're not going anywhere. their numbers are going to proliferate. what do you see as the democratic response or your
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role, right, in battling that and preserving the basic integrity of american democracy? >> part of our role, chris, is to make sure we are addressing the needs of the american people, and we've been doing that and doing that successfully. we see that joe biden is enjoying popularity in numbers like we have not seen in a very, very long time. we've seen that the numbers of people who are identifying with the democratic party is at an all-time high. and that is because the american people are waking up. you know, the republicans love to talk about people being woke. well, ding, ding, ding, the american people are waking up, and they see that the emperor does not have on any clothes. they see that this is a party that only cares about its own political power and its own political relevance and not about the people and the things that they're dealing with on a day-to-day basis. so what we are going to do as democrats is to continue to make sure that we're addressing their needs. the aarp, put money in pockets, people in jobs, vaccines in arms, kids in schools.
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the jobs plan will rebuild the infrastructure of this country. so we'll do those things and deliver on the promises we made to the american people. at the same time at the dnc, we're going to recruit candidates to run against all of these knuckle heads on the other side of the aisle, the looney tune caucus and have a contrast so the american people can see there is a difference between one party that wants to address the issues people care about and the other that cares more about banning people getting a bottle of water standing in light just to exercise their right to vote. there is a stark difference and a stark contrast between these parties and my job is to make sure that the american people see that. that they understand that. and that when they go to the polls, they can express that they want somebody and they want a party that's going to fight for them. >> you know, back in 2015 and even 2016 there was a view that was fairly common among democratic strategists donald trump was a god send to the
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democratic party. he was going to be unpopular and easier to beat. there is a view i think also that you saw -- i even saw it expressed in some articles, you know, a few months ago that folks like marjorie taylor greene or paul gosar, matt gaetz, these folks that have really extreme views and use rhetoric that i think is alienating to huge chunks of americans, right. that they're kind of a benefit politically to the democrats. but the other side of that is the more those people are empowered, the more the party drifts that direction, there is more of an existential threat to the democratic project we're doing here. do you view those people as a political asset to you? or would you rather see them not there and replaced by people that might actually be less polarizing and even more popular, but less committed to this anti-democratic vision? >> listen, before i'm a democrat, i'm an american. and, you know, a threat to our democracy, the threat to the way we live is something that we all
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should have high on our priority list. you know, dr. king in his letter from a birmingham jail had a quote that lives with me. and he said, we will repent in this generation, not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people. so the question is, are the good people in the republican -- and i believe there are some good people in that party. are they going to stand up to the fringe of their party that is taking control of their party? and that is the big question now, and i hope that they do. >> jamie harrison of the dnc, thank you for being with me. >> thank you, chris. >> today exactly 100 days after the attack, a militia member who was caught on camera inside the capitol pled guilty, breaching the building, now reportedly cooperating with the government. the first time that's happened, as we continue to sift through what happened on january 6. one of the people tasked with
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today we got the first guilty plea in connection with the january 6th capitol riot. it came from a founding member of the group the oath keepers which is a far-right extremist group. his name is john shafer. he's a guitarist and song writer for the heavy metal band iced earth. if you're a fan of that band, i hate to break the news to you.
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you can see him here wearing a blue jacket and a hat, oath keepers lifetime member. he is et first -- the first out of more than 400 people to publicly plea in connection to the riot. his plea includes a requirement for him to cooperate with the government. meaning he could potentially incriminate other members of his far-right militia group. in his plea deal, shafer admitted when he broke through the doors on the west side of capitol he knew congress had met to certify the election results and mike pence did not intend to stop it. it was donald trump the only person to put pressure on mike pence that day to stop it, remember? trump was the one that stood up in the rally before the insurrection and called out the vice-president. >> i hope mike is going to do the right thing. i hope so. i hope so. because if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. all vice-president pence has to do is send it back to the states
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to re-certify, and we become president and you are the happiest people. >> when mike pence did not do that, well, the mob, including the oath keeper charged the capital. retired lieutenant general russel honore released a report from his findings. he was tasked by george w. bush more than 15 years ago to lead the response to hurricane katrina. and lieutenant general russel honore joins me now. first i want you to talk about what your findings were in this review. >> yes, chris. we made about six substantial recommendations. one on intelligence, which we've heard a lot about, the i.g. of the capital -- capitol police spoke to that yesterday. by the time we finished in six weeks, we finished the intelligence processing.
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they need more people, more trained people. we added an additional 833 officers. the capitol police are 233 short. we need a recruiting and retention program to fill the 233 that they're short today, plus the additional 800 we recommended that they hire to buy down overtime. they spent 27,000 hours last year on overtime. they counted about 300 officers they would need. these officers that are on duty today are not spending six and seven days a week working 12 hours a day, which also affect their training. and we made a big recommendation that they need additional training. we recommend the authorities to allow the capitol police chief in emergencies to request assistance from the national guard and other agencies without having to go through the sergeant at arms of the house, the senate and the architect of
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the capitol. we also authorized procedures for a q.r.f. that q.r.f. would be provided by quick reaction force, i'm sorry, would be provided by the national guard. the national guard has done this throughout history. they've been protecting the capitol since 1840. the national guard after 9/11 provided 250 national guard for two years. we made infrastructure request recommendations, as well as an increase in dignitary protection. we needed to 200 officers to provide dignitary protection to the members of congress. >> let me ask about the openness of the capitol because i think this is something where there's some -- folks in the spectrum who feel and felt you want the capitol to be secure. it's the people's house, and it's a great thing you as an american citizen, can walk up to the capitol. you can go into the capitol. you can go to your member of congress's office. you can walk into the receptionist and say, i'm here, these are my concerns. that obviously has all been
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essentially impossible in the wake of january 6. partly that's covid. but do you see a way forward to restoring that, some kind of openness so we can go to the building as american citizens and talk to our representatives? >> chris, on both sides of the house and the senate, of all the committees we talked to, over a dozen of them on both sides, both republicans and democrats all emphasize that they want the people's house to be open to the people. and that has become the challenge, chris. how do we keep the capitol open to the public to a time many of them remember coming in the high school days visiting the capitol, and at the same time how do we provide the protection to prevent something from happening that happened on 1/6, happened 100 days ago? and that is the recommendation we made. we think we can do both. we're sophisticated nation. but it's going to take the congress to fund this at a bill
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right now on the supplemental is looking at $2 billion to fund the recommendations we made. >> you're someone with obviously a celebrated and illustrious career. you served your country many decades. people became aware of you outside the military on katrina. i wanted to ask you a little about there has been concerted set of attacks among the conservatives to paint you as some kind of, you know, lefty activist, that you're a partisan ax grinder, that you're carrying some banner for one side ideologically or partisan wise. i'm curious what your response to that is. >> well, i'm not a republican and not a democrat. i'm a no-party. over the years -- and i could tell you some war stories about that sometime. the democrats think i'm a republican and the republicans
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think i'm a democrat. i try to tell the truth. look at the facts and give the report. and when something needs to be done, make it happen. that's the mission and that's my reputation in the army. >> i want to play a little bit of an interview that we were able to do on nbc news with lieutenant rainy brooks about the experience of that day. i think it speaks to some of your recommendations of being overwhelmed as the mob was essentially able to breach the line and enter the capitol. take a listen. >> probably what sticks with me the most -- there are many. but what sticks with me the most is the northwest terrace door. the lock got breached. i was trying to just keep them from getting in through the door. and it literally and figuratively, it was fought effort, pushing, pulling, fighting.
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i couldn't get that close because at that point i was tackled and they stole my helmet, took the helmet. they tried to get my gas mask. it was all these surreal things. this cannot be happening. this cannot be happening. this cannot be happening. >> this cannot be happening, i think, was the general feeling that day among folks watching and people who were there. are you confident we can stop it from happening ever again? >> absolutely. we are confident it cannot happen again, will not happen again. there may be those that try, but the procedures that were left in place, chief pittman and her staff and the capitol police board and the national guard on hand, they have some temporary fencing up. and oh, by the way, capitol visitors are still suspended because of covid. that covid -- >> right. >> -- suspension to the public coming will soon be over, so
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some of these recommendations we need to be acted on so the architect of the capitol can start to contract it. we need the supplemental approved and we need a better retirement system for the capitol police to equal that of the park police because right now the park police have a better retirement system than the capitol police. so as the d.c. police. that needs to be fixed when they write this supplemental, chris. >> lieutenant general russel honore. thank you so much for making time tonight, sir. >> 100. >> ahead, there is a new republican caucus in the house of representatives that even republicans are calling nativist. the story of the american first caucus ahead. plus, another horrifying reminder of just how extraordinarily violent america is compared to other pure countries. that's next. so what happened? well... we started buying charmin super mega roll. charmin super mega roll is 6 rolls in 1
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shooting in america last night, leaving eight people dead. just a few minutes ago we got the names of those victims. matthew r. alexander, age 32. somaria blackwell age 19. age 66. age 64. singh, age 68. scone, age 48. carley smith age 19, and john weissert age 74. this happened at a fedex facility in indianapolis. he shot can killed himself before police arrived. fedex confirmed he was a former employee at the facility. that tragedy came the same day the police in chicago released the disturbing brutal video of an officer shooting and killing a 13-year-old boy named adam toledo. the officer chased him down an alley yelling at him to stop and drop his gun when toledo raised
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his hands and turned around. in a quick motion, the officer shot him in the chest. that came one day after a maryland state trooper shot and killed a 16-year-old boy named peyton ham. that's him right there. the trooper was responding to two 911 calls about a person acting suspiciously with a gun, and that turned out to be the boy who had an air soft toy gun and knife according to police. all of that happening this week as the city of minneapolis of course grapples with the ongoing murder trial of derek chauvin and the aftermath of the police killing of 20-year-old daunte wright. at one level, of course, these are all distinct stories. but they are all also, i think, part of the same story about america, which is that this country is an exceptionally violent place. there are more guns per capita in america than anywhere else in the world by far. more than twice as many as any other country. look at that. there are more guns than people
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here in the united states. that's not true anywhere else. we also lead the world in the number of people ennis karras rated. -- incarcerated. we have more than any other country or dictatorship. the homicide is the highest inside the organization for cooperation and development which is a group of 37 member countries commit today democracy and economic progress. we are not as bad as colombia and mexico which are very, very violent places, but among rich wealthy democracies, we're near the top along with lithuania. we also saw a sharp increase last year. and then, of course, on top of that the united states sees extremely high levels of police violence, police killed over 1100 people here last year. in the u.k. police killed 22 people over the entire last decade. today president biden spoke about this pattern of violence,
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calling it an embarrassment to our nation. >> it's not only these mass shootings that are occurring. every single day, every single day there is a mass shooting in the united states if you count all those who were killed out on the streets of our cities and our rural areas. it's a national embarrassment and must come to an end. >> i think that all of this violence represent faces along the same cube. america is, of course, a country born of violence. that's true of most countries, they're born of violence. it's born specifically to violence of subjugation, the violence of slavery and the violence of jim crow and the violence of segregation, and we live with that set of institutions and traditions. it feels sometimes like it is just overwhelmingly difficult as an undertaking to change all that. that's because it is. but all the more reason why it's worth pursuing.
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josey duffy rice focusses on the criminal justice system and host of the podcast "justice in america" and she joins me now. josey, i think oftentimes in the discourse the high levels of interpersonal violence in the united states and police violence are played off each other in a weird way. this false choice of, oh, you want -- you know, if the police retreat, well, then, people are going to shoot each other. as opposed to being i think it is part of the same story how violent this country is. right now it feels particularly bad. how do you see it? >> yeah, i think that's absolutely right, chris. i think that traditionally in this country in america, we have seen patterns of violence both from the state and from, you know, civilian violence, inter personal violence as you put it. that far exceeds most countries, especially countries we would consider comparable to us,
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right. and the reason i think that that matters is that violence can't just be kind of isolated to one source or one part of, you know, the government or the people. the point is that they feed each other. and the more police violence we see, it's unsurprising we see more violence on the street, right. the more guns -- the fact there are 120 guns for every 100 people in this country is not surprising that violence proliferates the way it does. i think you're absolutely right about that. >> and also, i mean, it forces some difficult, like, placed where different imperatives are intention with each other. i think guns is a great example. on one level there is an impulse to increase gun regulation and gun laws to increase the criminalization of holding guns illegally, right, as a means of trying to crackdown on that. at the same time, those are the very same means by which policing extends and the criminal justice system extends, and we see the negative
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consequence of that as well, and resolving that tension seemed very hard to me at this very moment. >> i think it is very hard. i think that the fact that we think these issues can be solved just through policy is a fallacy. it's a pipe dream. i think that what we have in this country is a history of using the state to subyou gate people subyou gate people of color, we have a history of gun worship in this country. most gun owners are not killing anybody, right? because we have a history of worshipping violence and gun use in this country that makes it close to impossible for me to imagine how this is a cycle we get -- we easily step out of. >> you're someone who works for
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a publication that covers the criminal justice system. we put way too many people in prison. what do you say to people that are making the argument now of like, look, crime is going up, and homicides are going up, and people are scared and this is bad, and, you know, it's folks like you, it's you reformers and this reformer d.a. in san francisco, you have brought this about with your crusade to limit incarceration and scale back the criminal justice system. >> yeah, i hear that a lot, as you may imagine. and my response to that is that we actually -- to address crime. we know how to solve problems of violence. we actually know when you invest in people on the front end, when you ensure they have jobs that allow them to put food on the table, when you make sure
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they're not facing eviction, when you ensure that they can send their children to quality schools and parks and after school programs their kids can go to, we know how to address crime. the history of this country has made us think we can rely on a back-end solution to solve a front-end problem. but that's not how it works. if incarcerating people addressed crime in this country, there would be -- there would be no crime. we incarcerate people more than any country in the world. that is not punishment, and state violence is not the way to address behavior that we want to change. especially on the level that we have done it. and the reality is that people just don't want to do what we know works, the numbers show works. you invest in people on the front end and then you don't have to worry about violence in the same way that you do if you rely on the current system. >> those pictures there, folks
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from chicago this evening, a day after the release of that -- just awful video, the shooting killing of 13-year-old boy adam toledo. at the appeal which is a great publication i recommend you check out, thank you, josey, i appreciate it. >> thank you so much, chris. >> coming up, the new america first republican caucus with an explicitly anglo saxon agenda. that's next. 's next. taking metamucil everyday can help. metamucil psyllium fiber, gels to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down. it also helps lower cholesterol and slows sugar absorption to promote healthy blood sugar levels. so you can feel lighter and more energetic metamucil. support your daily digestive health. and try metamucil fiber thins. a great tasting and easy way to start your day. [sfx: psst psst] allergies don't have to be scary.
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it on all fronts. one of the places they did this was with refugees which really should be the least controversial form of immigration. i mean, refugees are already going through an incredibly arduous process, paperwork, extremely high levels of vetting, it takes multiple years. all to leave places that are too dangerous to live in. these are people fleeing some of the worst places on earth, right? the trump administration did not want them because donald trump and stephen miller and steve bannon and people like tucker carlson or wisconsin senator ron johnson, they view refugees simply as non-white people who will not vote for republicans and will, therefore, take the country away. >> this administration wants complete open borders and you have to ask yourself why. is it really they want to remake the demographics of america to make sure they stay in power forever? is that what's happening here? >> i mean, first of all, they don't want open borders. but this kind of idea you saw from ron johnson, it's embodied
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in the explicitly racist white supremacist theory called the replacement theory. it's what ron johnson's kind of referring to there, what tucker carlson has been parroting. it's almost too stupid to explain, but basically they think that democrats are like intentionally recruiting bringing in immigrants so that republican votes count less. now, there's a bunch that's done about it. it relies on current total number of voters right now, that constitutes the nation in that moment. by their logic, that nation is threatened by any new voters that could dilute the weight of each individual vote. like anyone being born or turning 18. it is a very, very dumb way of looking what a nation is since at what level replacement is the necessary end of every human life, right? like we're constantly replacing people in the great cycle of life. there are different people making up america now than yesterday and before that and ten years before that. but somehow it's the same country.
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that's how it works. those parroting this both racist and as i said incredibly stupid theory are also admitting something kind of amazing like ron johnson there. admitting republican policies would never attract enough voters to even this out. why would that be the case? donald trump won the rio grande valley for love of god. but it is a theory behind the action of destroying the refugee resettlement program in this country. when you look there if you can guess where donald trump's policies took effect in that chart. just drops off a cliff. ends at 15,000 lowest level in many, many years. so, president biden, right, had campaigned on returning those numbers to where they had been in the obama administration. but today administration announced they were leaving the cap on refugees at trump's astonishingly low numbers. but frankly it would be a concession to the racist propaganda we saw from tucker carlson and ron johnson. that announcement was rightly
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met with ride spread push back from the democratic party. alexandria ocasio-cortez said it up holds the xenophobe i can trump administration. say it ain't so, president joe. this is unacceptable. the white house released a statement blaming confusion of the plan. saying, quote, we expect the president to set a final count of the refugee cap. failing to increase the number of refugees is a gift to people who agree with trump. in fact, just today some announced a new caucus to celebrate european heritage. if your ears are ringing from the dog whistle, you're not alone. we'll talk about that next. we'll talk about that next [ding] never settle with power e*trade. it has easy-to-use tools and some of the lowest prices. don't get mad. get e*trade and start trading today.
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here's a little missive house minority leader kevin mccarthy tweeted out today that may have had you scratching your head. america is built on the idea that we all are created equal and success is earned through honest, hard work. it isn't built on identity, race, or religion. the republican party is the party of opportunity for all americans, not nativist dog whistles. why on earth would kevin mccarthy feel the need to tweet that? maybe because this morning punchbowl news reported that
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marjorie taylor greene, paul gosar, and other legislators are forming a new nativist group. >> i want to preserve my heritage like every people does. >> what does that mean? >> what about european heritage? >> what does that mean? >> you don't know what european heritage is, moses, bach, beethoven? >> they're people who come from different countries. >> that was a good bill o'reilly. no, they're not white supremacists, they just want to protect europeans from non-european threats, i guess. the group tabs weeding out those who refused to abandon their old loyalties. they literally want to weed out people who do not conform to
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their idea of american culture. i'm joined by adam serwer. his latest piece. and jia lynn yang, her book is "one mighty and irresistible tide," out in paperback next month. your book, in 1965 there's a huge piece of immigration legislation, and that's one of the targets of this caucus. they say an important distinction between post-1965 immigrants and previous waves of settlers is previous cohorts were educated, earned higher wages, did not have an expansive welfare state to fall back on and thus did not stay in the country at the expense of the native born. as someone who studies this,
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what are they going on about there? >> they, weirdly, really understand what they're going after which is after 1965, that's when the push started in the u.s. this anglo-saxon language they're using is so important to pay attention to. it's not a dog whistle, it's completely explicit. because that language has been used to change our immigration laws to explicitly ban people who are not from europe. it's been used before and it's an argument that keeps recurring and recurring, because if you can control where people come from, where they emigrate from, you can control the racial makeup in america. they're alarmed by what happened in '65, when we changed our laws and said you don't have to come from europe to come here, you can come from asia, africa, the middle east. since that change we've seen all around us how many more immigrants around the world are here. and it really has changed the country. but i think for this group, it's made them incredibly anxious.
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they have correctly assessed the '65 law was the moment everything changed. they're invoking very old arguments that have been around for over a century to say anglo-saxon political identity is what makes america america, and anyone who is not is not properly american. they used this argument against jews, catholics, anyone who is not white and, quote, anglo-saxon and protestant. >> when we use the term, adam, white nationalism, which has been used a lot, understandably, recently, it was at the core of it, this idea articulated by nick fuentes who has a group called america first, that paul gosar went to his conference, if america ceases to retain that english cultural framework and
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the influence of european civilization, that's what white nationalism sounds like, that's what it is. >> fuentes, a nice traditional anglo-saxon name. anglo-saxon refers to the pseudo scientific idea that americans are descended from ancient germanic chieftains and that's what makes america so great. it's been used to justify the genocide of native americans, used to justify slavery and the like. it becomes eugenics and becomes the basis of immigration laws that barred not only africans and asian-americans, but people
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who are today considered white but at the time were considered inferior white races who would dilute the pure germanic blood that made america great. it is not a dog whistle, it is a foghorn. it is a nod to one of the most dangerous and destructive pseudo scientific beliefs in the history of the world and one that has led to mass murder all over the planet. it's really disgusting. and that's why mccarthy is someone who is hardly friendly to immigrants, and is saying, i don't want to have anything to do with this. >> that was striking to me. the radicalism embedded in this in terms of its breadth, jia, you wrote a book about it, to make this year, the u.s. had a basically explicitly white supremacist immigration suffer until 1965, when we said we want white people to come and don't want nonwhite people to come. to change that, is to say,
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60-year-old pakistani accountant or filipino nurse or engineer from all over the world, we messed up by letting you come here. these are people who a lot of them vote republican, aren't necessarily -- may have conservative politics. it's an incredibly wide group of americans to be attacking, even if it's being done in the fine print. >> yes, it is what is america now. if you look at the demographics, a quarter of the country is either an immigrant or child of immigrants. this is who's here. yes, if you want to do this anglo-saxon political tradition, if you want to hark back to this very racist language, you're basically saying to a huge portion of the country, the newest americans here, we don't want you here. but that's in fact what american political leaders have done before. and they succeeded, 100 years ago when they trotted out this anglo-saxon idea, they actually did stop immigration from
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eastern and southern europe. they stopped jews from coming, they stopped italians. that made it hard during the holocaust, we were unable to admit jewish refugees because of the laws. so this language has a lot of power, it can remake the makeup of the country. >> adam and jia, a fantastic book, check it out, thank you both, appreciate it. that is "all in" on this friday night. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now with ali velshi in for rachel. good evening, ali. >> chris, good to see you, have yourself a great weekend, and thanks to you at home for joining us at this hour. rachel has the night off but she will be back on monday. it's friday, we made it to the end of a brutal week. in the last hour, police in indianapolis have released the names of eight people shot and killed at a fedex facility there last night. here they. 23-year-old matt. 19-y

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