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country somewhere in europe it appears russia is still mulling that invitation over and has yet to rule it out. as rachel would say, watch this space. that does it for us tonight. rachel wibe back on monday. i'll see you tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m. eastern for my show velshi. i'll be joined by an expert on russian misdeeds, an opposition leader who's now been poisoned twice. you don't want to miss it. time now for the "last word" with my friend jonathan capehart in for lawrence tonight. >> good evening. for a minute there i was confused. what day of the week is this? >> exactly the same way on sunday. >> right, on sunday. see you then. so today marks 100 days since the january 6th capitol insurrection. it's impossible to forget the images we saw that day, the violent pro-trump mob laying siege to our nation's capitol in an attempt to overthrow the election by force.
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more than 400 suspects have been arrested and charged for their roles in the capitol riot. according to the acting deputy attorney general, quote, the fbi has made an average of more than 400 arrests a day seven days a week since january 6th. today on the 100th day anniversary the department of justice secured its first guilty plea in connection to the riot. john shafer, a founding member of the far right group the oath keepers stormed the capitol while wearing a tactical vest armed with bear spray. shafer pled guilty to obstructing an official proceeding and entering the capitol with a deadly or dangerous weapon. both felonies that can carry up to a total of 30 years in prison. as part of his plea agreement shafer agreed to fully cooperate with the government. he's now the first defendant to potentially flip in one of the largest and most complex criminal investigations in u.s. history. the plea agreement calls for a recommended sentencing range
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between 41 and 51 months, but the judge could ultimately hand down a sentence outside those numbers. shafer's cooperation with the government could prove instrumental in helping prosecutors pursue much broader conspiracy charges against 12 other members of the oath keepers involved in the capitol insurrection. leading off our discussion tonight is glenn kirschner, a former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst. glen, thank you very much for being here tonight. >> thank you, jonathan. good to be with you. >> all right, glen, you're one of my favorite people to talk about this. how important is this guilty plea from shafer? >> you know, it's actually pretty consequential, jonathan, because this is not as some people have said, you know, just a glorified trespassing guilty plea. this is actually a guilty plea with cooperation which we'll talk about in a minute, but it's a guilty plea for a crime which involves breaching the capitol with the intent to impede a
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congressional inquiry specifically the electoral college vote count. and when we realize that defendant schaffer bills himself as a founding member of the oath keepers, this is where the cooperation part of the guilty plea comes into play because i can tell you today was not sort of the first step in a cooperation agreement with defendant schaffer. this has been going on for some time. anytime a defendant approaches the prosecution and it wants to consider pleading guilty and cooperating, what we do is we sit down across the table of that aspiring cooperating defendant and we basically make them tell us everything they know about criminal activity. not only criminal activity they've perpetrated but all of their fellow oath keepers, all of their fellow insurrectionists. and then we go about trying to
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corroborate all that information before we ever strike a plea and cooperation agreement with them. >> so that -- i'm glad you pointed that out. because my next question was going to be is this guilty plea -- is it the first of many? or is it a guilty plea that is meant to send a signal to the other folks out there who are either have been arrested, charged or trying to get deals, a signal to them to, okay, you better get your deal now or you're going to be out of luck? >> i think it serves both of those purposes, jonathan. think about this. this man fancies himself as one of the founding members of the oath keepers. now, i'm not suggesting that the oath keeper organization has been involved in other criminal activity, but if it has you can bet the prosecutors are going to wring every drop of criminal information out of defendant schaffer not only about the run
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up to january 6th, not only about the attack on the capitol on january 6th but anything the oath keepers have been up to. and let's remember there was some coordination between the oath keepers and the proud boys. so, you know, i think defendant schaffer can also provide information potentially about the proud boys organization. so this is like the first cooperator shot fired across the bow, and i predict this is going to start the dominos falling. you're going to see other guilty pleas. you're going to see other cooperators. and the big ticket question is how far up the criminal food chain can these kind of cooperating defendants take the government? >> glenn, one more question to you and that is this. why haven't we seen charges of sedition? >> because i think we bring them so rarely, and i think the last time the government brought sedition charges the prosecution
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was not successful. so this is not the kind of charge you want to rush to. what the prosecutors are doing at the u.s. attorneys office for the district of columbia is they're presenting all of this evidence to the grand jury. this sedition charge if they come and looks like they might will be the very last charges to drop. after you see the stand alone charges and then the conspiracy charges, then the sedition charges. i would say stay tuned. >> all right, glenn kirschner, thank you very much for nothing to the "last word." the ininsurrectionists who invaded the capitol are being held accountable but the republicans who supported the election lies that led to the riot are not. after raising his fist in support of the pro-trump mob just before that mob invaded the capitol, senator josh hawley took in more than $3 million in donations. the conspiracy pedaling marjory taylor green she brought in
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$2.3 million, that's a massive amount in just three months. and marjorie taylor greene clearly feels emboldened by the support because she's launching an american first caucus. it, quote, recognizes that america is strengthened by a common respect for uniquely anglo-saxon political traditions. there's some coded language for you. let's not forget a university of chicago study found the great replacement theory which holds that immigrants and minorities are replacing the white population was a primary driver for capitol rioters, so surprise, surprise. the gop's learning the wrong lessons from the riot. rewarding the bad and punishing the good. just look at georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger, a republican. he refused to go along with trump's election lies and has since been condemned by the
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state republican party, removed him as chair of the georgia election board, apparently that's what you get for defending democracy in the gop. joining us now are erin haines, editor at large at the 19th and yamiche alcindor. thank you both very much for coming to the "last word." erin haines, what's up with the republican party, and how is it that these folks who cheered on the insurrectionists are now pulling in money hand over fist? >> well, what we're seeing is something president trump said the big lie is financially lucrative and so now you have folks like representative marjorie taylor greene, folks like josh hawley and others able to raise money off of this
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pulling from president trump's play book because they know they can raise money. they know whether this is going to translate into votes when these people are up for election remains to be seen. at least for now it is something that is financially lucrative and really speaks to the bigger idea it has been politically lucrative. i was tweeting earlier tonight that the big lie is something that not just is surviving former president trump, it preceded him. the idea that -- black voters was certainly something not new to 2020 and racism being at the centerf our country's politics as a strategy is something that has long been politically potent and also apparently is now financially potent as well. >> yamiche, let me get you in on this because we can scoff at the marjorie taylor greenes and the josh hawleys and the
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ridiculousness of ted cruz but these numbers say they've got some serious backing. >> it's telling us the big lie is not just surviving, it is thriving. it is thriving in state, in the idea these republicans are able to raise money by trying to delegitimize president biden and also shows this leaning in to seemingly racist tropes, this idea america is now better and will need to focus on the white history on the white part of our country without really acknowledging the contributions of african-americans, of native-americans, of immigrants that somehow is something that is politically driving in our country. that's what this is in some ways is proving. and i think when we look at what's going on in our country i think we have to acknowledge those this deep divide going on where you had a republican party in 2012, 2013 was saying let's take the demographic shifts in america and expand them and try
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to add more african-americans and latinos into our party. and then say saw president trump do just the opposite and realize, okay, we can run on immigration, racially divisive language and that is how we win. this is 100 days since white supremacy almost took down our democracy, which is 100 days since we learned not only are african-americans of course at risk when there's racism and conspiracy theory, but the very principles we stand on are at risk, and that is what i think we're seeing mutate and spread across the country. and that i think is a really big challenge the republican party as well as i would say democrats don't really know how to solve. >> and you know what -- so to your point the idea there's this american. first caucus sprouting up within the gop i think lends a whole lot more credence to what you're talking about, yamiche. that's why this tweet from house
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minority leader kevin mccarthy i find rather interesting america's built on the idea we're all created equal, but it's the party for all americans not nativists dog whistles. erin, to read this do you seriously think we believe the words coming off your twitter feed, leader mccarthy? how can he say that with a straight face particularly after the january 6th insurrection? >> listen, president biden said at least when he was campaigning we were in the battle for the soul of america. i think we're still in the throes of that battle. and originally he was saying this is not who we are, but i think we see there's a significant part of the population that absolutely is onboard with, you know, these
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kinds of ideas and, you know, the thing is -- we have seen the republican party is either in favor of these ideas or at least onboard with it, adjacent to it and so we know who folks like marjorie taylor greene, hawlyey, matt gaetz, the question is who are republican leadership, are they going to continue to be onboard with this? we know the president's agenda was definitely front and center in this seven-page document, all the things, you know, the president was trying to -- former president trump was trying to pass. you know, are outlined in that agenda and what they were saying is, you know, anyone not onboard including republicans right who are overwhelming white americans, if certain americans are not onboard with this agenda then they've got to go, too, because what they are pushing
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is, you know, not a republican agenda but former president trump's agenda. and saying if people are not onboard then they have no use -- if they continue to move forward in this direction. >> yamiche, in terms of the ideas of the republican party, take a look at this morning console political poll. climate change. who do you trust more to handle climate change, democrats 53%. coronavirus, democrats, 51%. voting rights, democrats 48%. and it goes on where the american people for the most part trust democrats more than republicans to handle these issues. i'm just wandering is the republican party now just the party -- is no longer the party of governing but now the party of grievance? >> let's remember that the thing that really i think drives people a lot is of course not
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just them trusting people on these policy issues that you just pointed out but also the hearts and mind and fear. fear is something that will motivate people to the polls whether you're fearing the changing of america or changing the white supremacy coming in and killing you while you're trying to go in and live your life as we've seen with so many people this week getting killed by police. i think when you look at it that way, that tells you why republicans can still win, even with those members. let's remember there are those changing the laws in their favor. when i remember talking to trump supporters they weren't saying i really trust him on immigration or i like his policies on health care. they were saying i like the way he talks about america, i like the way he makes me feel. so i think that is the thing continuing to drive the republican party. and that's the thing when i talk to democratic sources, they're very worried about that because there is this emotional connection. if you get people scared enough and tell people they're losing
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power, control of the country that could drive people to oppose in 2022 and still have republicans winning and taking even more seats in the house. >> one of my favorite things during the 2016 campaign about trump supporters it was like we love him because he says the things we can't say. thank you both for joining us tonight. coming up, the coronavirus pandemic, a gun violence epidemic so many american families and businesses trying to crawl out of the financial hole caused by the economic shutdowns. with all these many urgent problems, what are republicans focused on in florida? transgender children. the bill just passed by florida house republicans is so cruel and invasive it made my next guest weep as she spoke against it. that's next. t weep as she spoke it that's next. (mom vo) we fit a lot of life into our subaru forester. (dad) it's good to be back. (mom) it sure is. (mom vo) over the years, we trusted it to carry and protect the things
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an ongoing health pandemic, perpetual mass shootings and law enforcement's continued use of deadly force republicans in the florida state legislature are focusing on who should be allowed to play high school sports. florida is one of 33 states are republicans have introduced anti-translegislation so far this year. and this week florida's house passed a bill with unanimous republican support that would ban transgender athletes from playing on girls or womens sports teams. the tampa bay times reports, quote, if the party complaining suspects the athlete was not assigned the female gender at birth the athlete in question will have to prove their birth gender via a genetic test, a test of their testosterone levels or an examination of their reproductive anatomy by a medical professional in order to compete. florida state representative
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michelle goolzby who's some first blackout gay woman elected to the state legislature said this about the most controversial part of the bill. >> i have struggled with everything we have going on in our state. people have job loss. people are dying from covid. but this is the bill -- this is the bill. and i have struggled when we know the devastating impact this will have on children, why this bill even got to the floor. you call it policy and i call it still about humanity. >> joining us now is florida state representative michelle goolsby. a democrat who representatives st. petersburg and the manatee county area.
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thank you so much for coming on the "last word" tonight. to hear those words coming out of -- we just saw in that segment there, it just tears at your heart. and i just kept wondering why are they really doing this? why are they targeting transgender children? >> well, jonathan, thank you so much for having me. this really to me is a classic example of partisanship over, you know, people. this was a bill that was really birthed out of cpac and right now our legislature is running with this bill and it's quite unfortunate. we have serious problems and as i referenced on my house floor speech we have epic job loss. even in my district over the past two weeks there has been an environmental disaster. so instead of dealing with these very real problems that we have
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in our state we are dealing with this bill that nobody asked for. and, you know, it was just -- i couldn't understand why this was the bill -- why this was a priority bill to be heard on the floor of the house. >> how much debate was there on this bill overall? was there any debate? >> oh, 100%. so we split the debate up so on the first day we had questions of the bill and the democratic party, the democratic caucus, we offered 18 amendments to this bill. we didn't offer the amendments just to say, okay, if you accept the amendment we'll vote for it, but it was really the only way we could highlight some of the most harmful parts of this bill. and then the next day that took about -- we were on the floor for about 6 hours that first day.
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the next day took about 90 minutes for myself and the democratic colleagues on the bill as well as the folks in the majority party. >> i ask that question because i'm wondering how on earth that provision that forces a girl athlete, woman athlete to prove her gender to a medical professional in order to compete, how much debate was there about something so invasive and down right humiliating? >> so there was debate for a member of the democratic caucus about that. i addressed that in my comments. i address the fact that it was unconscionable and also i think about the harm that it could have on black and brown women. we know oftentimes we are
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hypermasicalinized and we can harken back to the treatment we saw to serena williams and her sister venus, they're very strong. so i address all of those things in my debate, and once again i came back to we have all of these issues happening. and it was so interesting the first day that this bill was debated in the legislature it was on march 31st, the national transgender day of visibility that president joe biden signed that proclamation. so we see us moving federally, doing the work with the equality act, and yet our legislature is putting partisanship over actually the will of the people. and this is why i always say representation matters. me boog who i am the first out black year woman to ever hold public office in the state of
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florida it's not for any moment this is why i was here. >> how concerned are state officials or any of your republican colleagues about the impact this bill could have on the ncaa, you know, having any of its tournaments there? because they put out a statement on anti-transbills that says inclusion and fairness can coexist for all student athletes including transgender athletes at all levels of sport when determining where championships are held. only locations where hosts can commit to providing an environment that is safe, healthy and free of discrimination should be selected. so are your colleagues worried about losing out on tournaments? >> well, jonathan, the short answer is no it doesn't seem that they are. it seems that they're willing to move forward with this harmful legislation, and i know that if this legislation worked in the
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past and the governor were to sign this bill that would mean a minimum of $75 million loss of revenue for the state of florida. our state like every other state in the union has been hit with covid. we're trying to bounce back. $75 million is a tremendous bump to our economy as we're trying to get back on our feet. and once again we're not putting the priorities of the people over politics and partisanship. and the fact of the matter it's very sad that children have become a pawn in politics. >> and the one thing about children being a pawn before we go, there's a poll. npr, mbs news hour marist poll that shows 67% of those polled do not support. so representative reyner-goolsby
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this is night number six where protesters gathered in brooklyn center, minnesota, to protest the fatal shooting of 20-year-old daunte wright by a police officer. that police officer a former president of the local police union claims it was an accident when she pulled out her gun instead of her taser. she's been charged with second degree manslaughter but is out on bail. it comes as lawyers are
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preparing closing arguments after derek chauvin on trial for the murder of george floyd refused to testify in his own defense. former officer chauvin had at least 17 complaints of misconduct against him when he put his knee on george floyd's neck yet remained on the force because of an agreement negotiated with the minneapolis police department. the union should lean-to what's right not what's loyal. that is what lieutenant sheryl orange of the st. louis police department says. she's a member of the ethical society of police founded by black police officers, which is a police union that holds bad cops accountable. here's lieutenant orange in a video op-ed for "the new york times." >> george floyd. he was murdered on my birthday. and for me to sit and watch that
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officer with his knee to mr. floyd's neck was totally devastating for me. and in that moment that's when i felt us versus them. because george floyd looked like me. >> joining us now is st. louis metropolitan police lieutenant sheryl orange. she's a long time member ofl the ethical society of police. lieutenant orange, thank you vore much for coming to "last word." >> thank you, sir, for having me. glad to be here. >> nbc news had a story yesterday this headline, police across u.s. respond to derek chauvin trial, our american way of policing is on trial. across the country police officers and commanders active and retired are watching chauvin's trial with a mix of interest and angst. while some officers see the
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trial as an example of the criminal justice holding a rogue cop accountable others see it as a sign that growing portion of the country led by the media, prosecutors and top commanders has turned against them. lieutenant orange, do you believe that a growing portion of the country has turned against you, turned against law enforcement? >> well, some people may have but i don't believe that's the general population. our community just wants us to be fair, wants us to be right, wants us to do what we said we would do when we took that oath to serve and protect. that's what they're looking for. they're looking for us to do exactly what we say and be trustworthy. they want us to be lawful. >> you know, when i watched your video op-ed at "the new york times" and this question kept coming to mind, and so i'm so
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glad we're having this conversation. how do you do it? how do you do it as a black police officer? how do you do your job in the climate that we're in when there is so much distrust between the black community, between african-americans and law enforcement and yet you are a member of law enforcement? >> yes, sir. sometimes it's difficult, but it's never difficult when you do what is right. if you are -- just do what is right, stay to the truth, stand in it, walk in it, speak it, live it the people will understand, your community gets it. they understand that, hey, this is a police officer or these group of police officers is doing the expectations of what we expect them to do as our protectors out there.
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and so, yes, sometimes it has its challenges. but overall once you do what's right that is what goes a long, long way. but when you do what's wrong the people are just not looking, they say they don't want officers to do -- how can we as officers tell them, hey, you need to do this and then we turn around and do just the opposite? that doesn't work. how does that say for our community that we are out here to help them, to be there for them, to support them and do what's right? that doesn't make any sense. >> also in your video op-ed you show how one of your members got into trouble off-duty you kicked him out of your union, out of your society for what he did. lieutenant orange, i want to -- you can respond to that, but i also want to get you to take a look at this poll from gallup,
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confidence in the police from african-americans, some very little to none, overwhelming at 80%. say what you were going to say about that member of your police union, and then talk about how can you boost the level of confidence among african-americans toward law enforcement? >> well, as far as our members, we do support our members to a certain extent especially when they're doing the right thing. but when they were doing the wrong thing, we tell them that we cannot stand by that conduct, that behavior. it's unacceptable. and that is not what our mission is. that is what we stand for, and the community looks at us as a moral compass basically to say, hey, are they doing what's right? so how can we tell them to do
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what's right when we don't do what's right? and as far as the gallup poll, one of the reasons how we can help change that is just be more engaged in our community and also to look at police reform. and make sure that it's the police reform that the community can buy into by our policies and our procedures. >> and as you've just seen there, the protests there in brooklyn center, minnesota. lieutenant cheryl orange, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you, sir. take care. be safe and well. >> all right. same to you. coming up, dr. fauci says there's no logical reason not to get vaccinated but there are logistical reasons. and that's why one nurse-practitioner spends his nights racing around philadelphia to deliver vaccine doses to underserved populations. that's next. doses to underserved populations. that's next.
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each day we get 3 to 4 million people vaccinated additionally, each day. there's no real logical reason not to get vaccinated. >> that was dr. anthony fauci with joy reid tonight. vaccinations are up but so are cases. with more than 300 people dying a day. right now we're in a race against the highly transmissible variants of covid-19. half of the infections across the country are now caused by a covid variant. but the actual number could be much higher because we're only tracking variants in 3% of cases through a process called genome sequencing. so today the biden administration announced its allocating $1.7 billion to better detect the variants. the cdc director says covid variants are behind the recent increase in cases and hospitalizations. >> some of these increases are as a result of relaxed
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prevention efforts in states across the country. another reason for these increases is the continued spread of highly transmissible variants. more than 50% to 70% more transmissible, which makes the race to stop the transition even more challenging and threatens to overwhelm our health care system again in parts of this country. >> every one person who gets vaccinated helps stop the surge of variants and end this pandemic. our next guest has taken that as a personal machine. a nurse-practitioner who had been rushing in across philadelphia to vaccinate homebound residents with doses that would otherwise expire when people don't show up for their appointments. khan says a wasted vaccine is a sin. he has literally been racing against the clock because the vaccine doses expire 6 hours after the vial is open. joining us now is the doctor, a
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family nurse-practitioner and president of the pennsylvania state nurse's association. thank you very much for coming to "last word." i tripped over your name there only because i was about to say meet this angel who's name is -- khan. why are you doing this? >> thanks, jonathan. it's great to be here. i've been with other nurses on the front lines of the pandemic since it began, doing testing and having as a primary care provider -- i'm a nurse-practitioner, i've had so many patients get sick with covid-19, and it's heart breaking. some of my patients are still sick. some of them are still having symptoms from covid-19. i see the debilitation it can cause. one patient had 11 family members that died from covid-19. people of lower income are unfortunately at higher risk for this illness and also people that are homebound, i mean they
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have the highest risks. unfortunately sort of in the scheme of things they've kind of been left out and people with disabilities, unfortunately, whether we're talking about intellectual disabilities, physical or sensory issues, these individuals homebound and there's about 2 million of them, have no access to the vaccine. and so as a nurse-practitioner we're advocates for our community as nurses and i wanted to make sure i was doing everything i could to make sure that these individuals could get vaccinated before the virus caught up with them. >> and how do you find them? how do you -- i think the video that i saw you had a list of ten names that had you racing across philadelphia. how do you get those names? >> well, first i'd like to give a shot out to ana pern, a community organizer. she's helping me on where to go
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next, how to call the next person. i've cold called people on voting lists that are republicans, democrats, independents over age 85, that i'm calling our state reps, some of our council people, church pastors. when someone in the community expresses a need and they reach out to their elected official, we've been able to tap into that and get those names. >> so now i have discovered where you get this from. this angel nature of yours. i'm going to put this picture up. this is a photo of you and your mother who's also a nurse. and you recruited her to help you vaccinate patients, and this photo is from a vaccine clinic where you both administered the vaccine. was it hard to get your mom to be a part of this effort with you? >> no, not at all. i mean my mom was chomping at the bit.
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once she saw me out there doing testing she couldn't wait to get out. back in 2008 we were both volunteers for the obama campaign. i signed up 155 patients of people to register to vote. my mom signed up 156 people. when we were doing the vaccines at the convention center it was a competition of who could draw up the most doses out of the vial. and so my mom and i we have -- you know, she is the one that convinced me to become a nurse. it was just kind of, you know, a hard sell. wouldn't it be great to be able to take care of patients? so she sold me on it. i wasn't convinced at first put of course i fell in love with nursing. and any way to get my mom involved is amazing. >> that mother-son competition, the way you guys go about it is the best kind of competition. tarik khan, thank you for joining us tonight and thank you for the efforts you're making. >> thanks, jonathan.
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them away from nearby lawmakers who are being evacuated. officer brian sick nic who died one died after being assaulted by rioters he laid in honor in the capitol rotunda where president biden and vice president harris paid their respects. january 6th shocked lawmakers, the nation and the world, but it shocked no one more than the capitol police who found themselves having to defend the building from insurrectionists. nbc's frank thorp spoke with some of the officers to hear in their own words about that harrowing day. >> i think the moment whenever it was all over, the insurrection was all over and i got to sit down and really reflect on what happened. i think that sticks with me the most. i felt sad, anger, just a lot of
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emotions going through my mind. i'm still trying to process it. so i still have moments where i get really upset. and i hope they'll remember how hard we fought and the bravery of the officers that were here. >> probably what sticks with me the most -- there were many, but what sticks with me the most is inside the lower west terrace door, you know, the lock got breached. and there were six or seven of us just trying to keep them from getting in through the door, and it literally and figuratively it was forever, i mean it was just pushing, pulling, fighting. i couldn't get that close because at that point i was tackled. and they stole my helmet, they tried to get my gas mask. it was all these surreal thinks.
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like this cannot be happening, this cannot be happening, this cannot be happening. but it was. i have moments. it comes back in like flashes, and it's hard to not have it with you every day. for those of us that work at the capitol still, we're still working at our crime scene. >> at the end of the day was shock just seeing that mass and that weight of people. and no matter who you were that day we were terrified, how are we going to beat 40,000 people with the man power we have. and as soon as they start breaching you start hearing on the radio officer in trouble, officer down, officer needs assistance, officer hurt. you just get angry. and i think if you were fighting that day, i don't think this
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will ever feel normal. every time i walk in here i feel okay that's where this happened. and it's hard to get it out of your mind because it was such a traumatic experience for a lot of people. a lot of people are saying we failed because they got in the building. and i think my biggest thing that people take away for it is the capitol police and the entities that came in we didn't fail. we protected every member of congress. not one member of congress was hurt, scratched that day. we protected every staffer that was in here. everybody was accounted for. nobody was hurt. casualties we had were obviously officers, but at the end of the day we did our job. >> that is tonight's "last word." thank you for watching. i hope you'll join me for the sunday show at 10:00 a.m. right here on msnbc. and remember you can hear the latest news and updates from all of your favorite msnbc hosts anytime, anywhere on any device with tune in. go to to
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listen commercial free with tune in premium. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. well, good evening once again. day 87 of the biden administration and tonight protesters are out for a sixth night now in brooklyn center, minnesota, following the killing of daunte wright by a police officer. and there were demonstrations tonight in the streets of chicago following the killing of adam toledo by a police officer. the final seconds of both young mens lives caught on body cameras. amid the anger and the questions about how these deaths could have happened the nummingly familiar mourning is also under way after the nation's latest mass shooting just last night. this time it was indianapolis. eight people were killed at least seven injured


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