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end-all wars. they were wrong. two decades later came world war ii and american losses that were exponentially greater. that is our broadcast on this friday night and for this week with our thanks for being here with us. have a good weekend unless you have other thanks for being with us today. have a good weekend unless you have other plans, on behalf of all my colleagues at the network of nbc news, goodnight. >> it's friday which means we have made to the end of a brutal week. just in the last hour police in indianapolis have released the names of eight people shot and killed at a fedex facility there last night. here they are. 32 year old matthew r. alexander, 19 year old scenario blackwell, 66-year-old -- 64-year-old -- 48 here old -- 19-year-old carly smith, and
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74-year-old john why searched. again these are the eight people shot and killed last night at athletics plant. today police identified the suspected government 19 year old, brian hole man, he used to work at the facility but did not work there since last year. police say they did not have any information about the suspect's motive but he did have previous contact with law enforcement. the fbi says that about a year ago they seized a shotgun from his house over mental health concerns after call from his mother. the fbi interviewed him based on unspecified items that were found in his room. that statement from the fbi seems to suggest that at least at one point last year this shooting suspect was prohibited from possessing a gun under the red flag law, if so, one of the pressing question is when and how did the suspected shooter was able to acquire the gun that he used? as the city of indianapolis
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comes to grip with this horrific shooting still less than 24 hours old, the city of brooklyn center minnesota is still grappling with the police shooting death of 20-year-old daunte wright, less than a week ago. today, daunte wright family announced arrangements for his funeral next week. protesters are gathering this evening outside the police department as they have been every evening this week. tonight for the first time this week, the city has decided not to impose a curfew, so we're keeping an eye on a brooklyn center minnesota which is a few miles away from the courthouse where the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin, in the death of george floyd wrapped up this week. minneapolis, and honestly the whole country is on edge as we await closing arguments next week and ultimately a verdict. and we're keeping an eye on chicago tonight which is reeling from yesterday's release of police camera footage showing police shooting adam toledo who was only 13 years old. the footage shows adam toledo
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to be clearly unarmed and surrendering at the moment he was shot although the officers attorney released a defense of his client actions. a brutal week for a whole lot of individual families, for a number of cities, for the country as a whole. we will have more coverage tonight on a number of those still unfolding event, stay with me here, because there is another narrative of this week in america, a story in which even as there are so many things that are broken some things are working. as of today, the united states has administered over 200 million doses of covid vaccines. 4 million doses in the last day alone. nearly half of all u.s. adults have now received at least one dose. to be clear, cases are still rising in over 20 states, places like michigan remain in full blown covid crisis right now. this news should not make us complacent. but the biden administration is full steam ahead with its vaccine rollout and it is working. the american public appears to
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know it is working. in the latest research center poll, 72% of americans say they approve of the job biden administration is doing with the vaccine rollout, including a majority of republicans. again, a lot of things are going wrong right now, but according to a whole bunch of new polling we got this week, americans also feel like a whole lot is going right. there was a headline this morning from nbc news, polls show biden reaping solid approval rates among population. for new polls all show more americans approving of president biden's performance then disapproving with his approval rating reaching as high as 59% in a few surveys, that was higher than any other president since ronald reagan. the covid relief bill he signed last month remains popular with nearly two thirds of americans, the massive infrastructure bill he is currently pushing for is also pretty popular. you know what's even more popular than the infrastructure bill itself? the way biden has proposed
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paying for it, an increase of taxes of corporations. seriously, people really love that. also this week president biden announce the withdrawal of american troops in afghanistan by september this year, it's a controversial decision. this will mark the end of america's longest war. american troops will be coming home. the rollout of this new afghanistan policy this week was undeniably a demonstration of our government working the way it is supposed to work. as president biden was announcing the troop withdrawal to the american people, the top diplomat, man on the right, secretary of state, anthony blinken was in brussels consulting with our nato allies and partners in the afghanistan conflict. imagine that. then blinken left immediately for a surprise visit to afghanistan to ensure afghanistan's leader is and its people of america's commitment
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to that country. it was showing them america's support by showing up in person. the secretary of state, because that's what it's looks like when you have a functioning government with a functioning foreign policy apparatus. let me just be clear this afternoon, politico got a report outlining all the ethics violation of the last secretary of state. mike pompeo and his wife on at least 100 occasions mates -- picking up their dog, mailing their personal christmas cards. honestly, it is remarkable the inspector general report actually saw the light of day because as you will were call mike pompeo got the inspector general who was originally looking into these violations fired once he got to nosy. and look, we don't really know, maybe the new secretary of state, anthony blinken is also using foreign officers as his personal task rabbit services.
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but so far, he seems to be putting his head down and doing the work like everyone else in the biden administration appears to be. today after that surprise visit to afghanistan the secretary of state was back in washington for the first in court visit by a foreign leader to the biden white house. president biden visited -- they had a joint press conference they said mutually supportive things about each other's countries. it was pleasantly uneventful, which can be nice after the last few years. the biden administration today did what's seemed like a kind of inexplicable political and policy screw up, during the campaign, candidate biden had promised to lift president trump's partial show limit of a number of refugees allowed in the country. trump had cut the number of refugees allowed to its lowest number ever and biden described the commitment to refugees as a more necessity. but today the white house announced that president biden would not be lifting the refugee cap.
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anonymous officials told reported that biden was concerned about the optics of allowing in more refugees while there are so much political pressure surrounding the u.s. mexico border. so what followed, interestingly enough, outrage from biden's own party, not just the left side. the number two democrat in the senate, dick durbin called the decision, unacceptable. several hours today -- against a policy move from the biden white house and by this evening, the white house was walking back saying the president will revisit the issue next month, and increase the refugee cap then. we don't know what happened there but in its own way tonight one act play about the refugee camp was kind of another example of the government working the way to supposed to be. the white house made a bad decision, their party let them know it was a bad, unpopular decision, and they walked back. all in time for folks to make
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it home for friday dinner. and as we consider all these moving parts, all the things that are broken and not working in this country right now, all the things that are chugging along, even functioning better than they have in years, consider today, today marks 100 days since the january 6th attack in the u.s. capital. 100 days since insurrectionists stormed the capitol while lawmakers tried to certify the results of the presidential election. 379 people so far have been charged with federal crimes for their actions that day. today, prosecutors secured their very first guilty plea. a member of the right wing, the oath keepers, pled guilty to two felony caps for illegally entering the capitol wearing a tactical vest, armed with bear spray. what makes this guilty plea noteworthy, beside being the first one, is that it comes with a cooperation agreement. we know that the justice department has been working on building a large conspiracy case against members of the
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oath keepers for the capital attacks considering charging them with sedition. normal cooperation from a member of the oath keepers could help to make that case. the cooperation with oath keepers -- the cooperation agreement with the oath keepers member jonathan, spells out that the government may recommend reducing his sentence if he produces some substantial cooperation in the government's case. he is required to cooperate not only with the attorney but with the district of columbia and with any other local law enforcement. and, this is something, the cooperation agreement specifies that mr. schaffer can request that he'd be put in the witness protection program, prosecutors will sponsor him for acceptance into that program if he agrees. they agreed that it is necessary. which presumably suggest that the cooperation mr. schaffer could give could pose a risk to other and to himself. 100 days out from the capitol attack, hundreds of people
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charge, now one guilty plea. and that person is cooperating with prosecutors. but prosecutors have described the capitol attack as a likely the most complex investigation ever prosecuted by the department of justice. even with everything else going on, this story is far from over. joining us now a new york times reporter, katie good evening. you have been covering a lot of developing stories in the last several weeks accusing the story of matt gaetz but this, has been on that you have been on for a long time. on for a l >> how significant is this because many people have seen the video that people posted, the selfies, the social media postings, one assumes that it may not be the hardest prosecution but the justice department says that it is actually difficult prosecutions. >> to your point, the justice department has gone through and they have charged more than 400 people with crimes entering the capital building.
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there are more complicated cases things like sedition, they really do need to start getting people who might have inside information to seek and see if they can cooperate and see if they can use their testimonies against their peer. >> that is a big deal? talk to me about what is involved in this, we know that they have video and they have people phones and things like that, what does cooperation look like in this particular case? what are the kinds of things that this person with who they might have made this deal can do for the government? >> they're going to be asking this person about the people who he worked with who attacked the capital. they're gonna ask if he has text messages of any kind of the planning. they're gonna want to know if he was involved in any type of conversations after the fact
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about hiding evidence, about misleading investigators. they're gonna ask him a broader way of question to see if they can find information to arrest higher levels of people who might have known about this conspiracy. >> i want to read from the plea document about this business of the business of the protection witness program. we will sponsor your client into the witness security program of the united states department of justice. a stands to reason, if he is going to testify possibly or point out people or methods that was used it sends a message as to how serious groups like the oath keepers really are? this could pose a real threat to him? >> absolutely. they do believe that the oath keepers could be a dangerous group, they're worried about the safety. the prosecutor has been working steadily over the last days to make more complex cases despite
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the fact of the political conversation about the attack has taken a sharply divergent turn with a lot of people on the right saying that it wasn't an attack. that it wasn't that big of a deal. it might not have even been what we thought it was. those trump supporters attacking the capitol, maybe it was something else. maybe it was people on the left like antifa. the government has put a tucked down, blocked all of that out, basically pressed to the side and continued on to charge people and to find people who could help them as they seek to bring, you know, folks who attacked the pedal to justice. >> what do we know about the oath keepers? what do we know about what they do and what sort of threat they might pose? >> the oath keepers, they are a militia that was started basically with a lot of members of line for cement and military, they think that they are protecting the government and protecting american citizens. they also believe that the federal government is
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problematic and could in and of itself be harming our civil rights, our civil liberties. they are classified by the fbi as an anti-government militias because they believe the government itself is causing harm. but under president trump, they champion president trump, they supported him despite the fact that he was the head of the executive branch of government. >> katie, i don't know how you keep it straight to have so many stories going on, i want to ask you about the department of justice filing a lawsuit against roger stone today, a blast from the past. the headline of your story reads the justice department sous roger stone, a longtime trump i lie, alleging trump -- tax evasion. >> they're saying that for many years did not pay his taxes, he actually entered into an agreement with the government and was paying his taxes on a monthly payment plan when he decided to stop. he created different entities
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that were controlled by him and started moving money and assets around in order to hide things from the government. he even went so far to try to hide his house by selling it to an entity who would buy it. they're saying that he owes the government money and he has tried to hide that money. they filed a civil lawsuit to reclaim the money which according to the government totals $2 million. >> we will continue to add that to the list of cady benner that we are following in the new york times. good to see you. she covers the justice department for the new york time. thank you for your time. before we move on i have an update on the story that rachel lead the store with last night about a tantalizing new bit of information released by the treasury department this week, that's konstantin kilimnik, a
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russian intelligence operator and a former business associate passed sensitive strategy to russian intelligence services, presumably the same polling and campaign strategy information that we already know kilimnik had gone for manafort, in other words collusion. the big question is winded the u.s. government come to know about this? when did we connect the dots from manafort to kilimnik to moscow? this was already known but was super classified during the mueller investigation, or did we find that more recently? tonight nbc news has a little more about that quote, the u.s. intelligence community has developed a new information about konstantin kilimnik whom they call a russian spy that leads them to believe that the associates chairmen paul manafort past internal poll and strategy information to russian services, two u.s. officials say. they did not disclose when or how the u.s. came into
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possession of the new intelligence about kilimnik, including whether not the information was developed during the trump or biden administration. officials did not identify the source or type of intelligence that had been developed, and quote. just a little more there but not enough to answer the big burning questions. we will be right back with more. stay with us. with us did they brave mother nature... and walk away stronger? did they face the unknown, with resolve...and triumph. ♪♪ there's strength in every family story. learn more about yours. at ancestry. so what's going on? [dog] i'm a talking dog. in every family story. the other issue. [dog] oh...i'm scratching like crazy. you've got some allergic itch with skin inflammation. apoquel can work on that itch in as little as 4 hours, whether it's a new or chronic problem. and apoquel's treated over 9 million dogs.
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of the show and has now been 100 days since insurrectionist formed the seat of a government in an attempt to overthrow an election. one of the things that shock people watching the scene that day was how the vast majority of those insurrectionists, many of them violent, were allowed to essentially walk away from the scene of the crime. no attempt at making mass arrest at the capitol, in fact, many of the insurrectionists were allowed to get into a car, on a plane, and go home. they were allowed to flee the scene. some were arrested days later, some months later and many of them are still at large and wanted by the fbi. contrast that event, 100 days ago with the week that we just experienced as a nation.
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in the past week we watch a 20 year old father daunte wright was shot to death during a traffic stop, initially over expired registration tags that escalated into an arrest for an outstanding misdemeanor warrant. he was unarmed. the officer who shot dante wright said she thought she had reached for her taser and was attempting to stop him from fleeing the scene, instead she shot daunte wright in the chest, ending his life. in chicago, we watch the footage of 13 year old adam toledo who was shot by police officer. the officer was responding to a call about gunshots in the area, according to a statement from that officer's lawyer, the 13-year-old, quote began to flee, and quote when the officer took after him. police said that a nine millimeter pistol was found at the scene that day but video appeared to show adam toledo complying with the officers request and putting his hands in the air just before he was killed. all of that happening against the backdrop of the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin who stands accused of murdering
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george floyd while trying to arrest him for allegedly using a counterfeit 20-dollar bill. prosecutors and the defense in that case called expert witness after expert witness to debate whether derek chauvin's decision to put his knee on george floyd's neck for nine and a half minute might have been an appropriate response for a police officer in that situation. george floyd and daunte wright and adam toledo did not get to just go home and wait the way so many insurrectionists did. they did not get to walk away from the scenes of there alleged crimes carrying souvenirs, they did not stop to take a selfie with the police on their way home. of course not everyone who stormed the capitol on january six receive the kind of treatment, ashli babbitt was shot and killed by police, when she and mob of of the protesters attempted to breach a barricaded door inside the capital. and there were many capital police officers who worked hard to protect the capital that they including one who lost his life in the process. but when we reflect on the
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history making attack on our democracy that took place just 100 days ago it is hard to watch the footage from that day. alongside the continued stream of footage of men and women and children dying during everyday interactions with police. it is hard to look at those incidents together and not conclude that there are in fact two systems of justice in this country. can that be fixed, and if so how? joining us now philip atiba goff he's, a professor of african american studies and psychology at yale university and the cofounder of the center for policing equity. philip it is good to talk to you again, thank you for being with us. you and i have spent some time over the last year having this discussion about policing and about different justice systems in this country. we are now more than a year out from when george floyd was killed in minneapolis, what is your sense of what's things look like right now when you take a look at that comparison
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to how people were treated on january 6th? >> yeah i mean it is -- as we have seen over social media in the last few days, drinking underage, another god burger king, and then adam toledo was shot with his hands up literally complying with an officer's order, it turns your stomach. it makes you wonder how anybody who is living in these neighborhoods that are constantly surveilled by law enforcement could possibly trust that when they call out for help that what is going to show up a safer than what they are calling out for help from. i do think that once we are past this trial there is reason for optimism in the country. there are thousands of little experiments across the country, project nia out of chicago has this wonderful thousands of experiments website, because there are local organizers that are saying, we are done with doing things the things that we have done them. in city after city they are
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taking long forsman's out of mental health checks, they're taking law enforcement out of lore traffic issues, they're taking a law enforcement out of the issue where there's a danger that you could hurt somebody, and there is not a lot of utility in introducing a badge in a gun. i don't know what is going to happen on the other side of all of these experiments but i do know that there are enough folks in this country who are saying, enough, we have to change the way that we allow communities to keep themselves safe. >> and i don't want to paper over what some people mean, because some people when they say defund the police they mean that they don't want police around, but what a number of people mean is reallocate resources to things that can be more effective, and so many pulleys calls that go wrong our traffic stops, petty crimes, mental health issues, substance abuse issues, things that there are other ways to deal with. is the reception for some of these ideas like this project
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that you're talking about, is it growing with people who understand that these things don't have to end up and death and they don't have to end up with entire communities distrusting the police and fear for their lives every time to interact with police? >> i think, at least in my experience, and talking with law enforcement, there is one place where i think we're not going to go back, i think we're not going to go back to thinking that we're gonna solve these problems by making policing bigger. you're quite right people mean different things by defund but at the root of the defund movements such as it is is a word that is scary in these places for lots of folks, the word abolition. and i have to say out loud, abolition in this context often comes from a guy name w. e. b. du bois, in 1935 when he coined the phrase abolition democracy, and he's not talking about the united states and having abolish slavery, he's talking about abolition democracy as a language to what we have to
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stand up affirmatively to get rid of the toxins that slavery left us in the body politics. it is not just about getting rid of something, it is about the thing that we need to put in place so we can actually look like our ideals. in the context of policing what that means is, isn't everybody safer when they don't have to call out for help in an emergency? when they have the resources so they don't need to call 9-1-1 in the first place? so yeah, people mean lots of different things when they say defund, but everybody can a career that no real estate agent has ever made a sell when they say, and in the end you get to call 9-1-1 more often, that is ridiculous. the logic that we need more law enforcement to keep a safe rather than more resources so that we don't need law enforcement, i'm hoping that that has run its course, because i know that the communities that are most affected they are never going back to that. >> we're looking at a protest in chicago on the left side of the screen and people are dancing. it is a performance of sorts actually. philip, thank you this is an
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evolving conversation and appreciate how much time you spend with us over the last week helping us all sort this through. 100 days after the capital insurrection, an unsettling new normal in the hall of congress were gonna talk with a member of congress about the trauma that he experience and how he can work with his colleagues on the other side of the aisle. of the aisle. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! all good
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said quote on january 6th of this year and washington d.c., thousands of insurrectionist took part in a despicable act. they attacked the capital while a joint session of congress was meeting to certify the results of the presidential election. be it resolved that reads a duly elected members of pneumatic town meeting, condemned the actions of any and all persons who took part in that heinous act and declare that they in no way represent the sentiment of this body or the town of -- this resolution was passed
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overwhelmingly in massachusetts last night. a group of local government officials choosing to formally condemned the attack, on the capital on january 6th, it is a powerful act of local government but even more so when you take a look at who was in attendance for that vote. along the local officials voting on that resolution was a woman who has been criminally charge for participating in the capitol attack on january 6th. she had to sit through that vote last night listening to our colleagues formerly condemning the behavior that she has been accused of participating in. that is how one town in massachusetts is grappling with what happened 100 days ago, and with their towns own role in what happened, because we are all still grappling with what happened in our own ways and in our own time. and no one more acutely than the people who actually lived through that day. >> seeing the dramatic effect in have is something that will
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live with me forever and which i will never forgive them. >> people trying to put on gas max, i remember clearly the sound of battering against the door. i remember seeing members removing their congressional pins me so as to not to be recognized. >> it's trauma like any trauma and it attacks people in different ways and different timelines. in some ways just keeping busy, and doing my work has allowed me to stay focused on what i need to do. it may have deferred my internal processing of this issue, i think i'll handle it overtime. >> slowly realizing that it was not ten guys, they were all over the rotunda, oh my god, they are inside the chamber. that moment --
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it was a realization that it was not a good place to be. every time i walk up the steps for, i think about it. >> they were griping people in hiding people. i was scared to death. it could've been a lot worse and i'm glad that it wasn't for, i'm kind of over it but i'm not. i keep an eye out all the time. why >> it was all these things, this cannot be happening, this cannot be happening. but it was happening. it comes back and flashes. it's hard to not have it with you every day for those of us who worked and who work at the
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capitol still. >> our colleague with that moving piece today he shot all of those black and white images himself to, lawmakers, staff, capitol police officers, january six was a trauma for everyone inside the capitol that day, a lifetime may not be enough to process, let alone 100 days. one member of congress has been outspoken about that in the weeks that followed. michigan democratic congressman has represented the great city of flint since 2013. he spoke about his experience grappling with the aftermath of the capitol attack, he's experienced ptsd in the days that have followed. congressman kildee joins us now. congressman, thank you for being with us. this is a tough topic because you all had to get to work, you are at work and you had to continue your work that day, but you now know that everything that those people
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told you that they were fearful about, they had every reason to be fearful. there were people who were intent on taking you ostrich or worse. how do you process that, the last three months? >> while it's been hard. like the speaker said, i will take this with me the rest of my life. it has been hard to process. for me, i had a pretty serious reaction to it, i have ptsd, i'm still dealing with that. i feel like my old self again but it took a while. it's hard to process, and in some ways, we keep going back to that same building. i was on the floor of the house today looking at the spot in the gallery where i took cover. i still have to work with and speak to these members who contributed to this big lie, who benefited from this big lie and now want to say let's move
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on, it's not that simple. >> i think that is a very important piece, i want to play another section -- there is by the way picture of you, but i want to play of northern video from the package from senator mitt romney and how he felt about this, and then we'll talk about it on the other side. >> my operations [inaudible] i love the senate chamber, where i encountered officer goodman who suggested that i return to the chamber because that would be the safest place. not long after that one and official came into the chamber and said that you need to evacuate and that's when i was most frustrated and angry. angry at those who had gone along with the big lie and told the american people that the election had been stolen. i pointed to a couple of people
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who had participated in that and said you have caused this. >> congressman, he said you have caused this to people, unlike this trauma that other people have experienced, the weird thing about your trauma as you and senator romney and everyone else go back into this place with people who had a choice not to do this and in many cases saw some of this coming and encouraged it. >> yes, that is really the point. and you just said it. they made a choice. they made a choice in the months leading up to that attack, they fanned the flames. and then inexplicably, two thirds of the republicans in the house of representatives made a choice, after the attack was over, after i had to be rescued by a tactical unit of the capitol police to save my life, i had to watch republican
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members come to the floor of the house and vote to confirm the lie that was the predicate for that attack. senator romney said it, we still have anger, that my anger is weighing some how but, it -- would hasn't diminishes that i look at those people in congress i smaller people. i can't trust them. because i now know, in a moment of real pressure, when they have to choose between their country and their own high, i know how they are going to choose, and it is very difficult to work with somebody when you know that about them. when the pressure is on, they did not choose their roles in office, they did not choose our history of democracy, they chose the narrow, small path. that is hard to forget. >> congressman, thank you for
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taking this time and i know you speak for a lot of other members of congress who are going through this, for whom it has hit them at home and they had no trick to keep working, and that is a hard environment to keep working in when you know who causes this and why it happened. congressman, good to see you, then kildee. coming up next, the sneaky way republicans in one state are trying to change the law to make it harder for people to vote, stay with us. vote, stay with us
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it's pop quiz time. in which state is the republican controlled state legislator trying to make voting harder for their citizens? is it georgia, texas, or michigan? trick question, it's all of them. michigan is starting to stand out from the pack, not just for the particularly blatant voting restrictions that republicans in the state are trying to pass, but for how they are trying to pass them. right now, michigan state
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republicans have 39 different voting restriction bills in the state legislator. they have majority in both houses, so passing as many of those 39 bills as they want to shouldn't be a problem. republicans in michigan only control the state house and the state senate, unlike in georgia or texas, where they are in complete control of the government because they've got the governor on their side. you think that would present a problem for state republicans and their bills in michigan. democratic governor of michigan graduate moore has said she will veto any bill they pass that restricts voting rights. should be game over. that's how the government is supposed to work. the chairman of the republican party of michigan announced late last month that he's got a plan, it work around for that pesky veto thing. he wants to blend all of those bills into one big anti voting rights package and sidestep the governor altogether. you see, michigan law allows voters to petition lawmakers directly by gathering to have
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lawmakers take up a piece of legislation which sounds very democratic. but it only requires signatures equaling 8% of the people who voted in the last governors election. on stats done, and the legislator boats for it, bills pass that way cannot be vetoed by the governor. i know it's a lot of procedural mumbo jumbo for a friday, night pony look at the numbers, realize how crazy this is. that 8% of the people who voted in the last governors election? venture 40,000 people. that's how many signatures you need. there are nearly 8 million people in the state of michigan who are old enough to vote, so they only need a little over 4% of the states voting age population on board with this plan to get it through and avoid a veto. and even wilder part of this, as we know how the vast majority of the population in the state of michigan's voters feel about this issue because they voted on it in 2018. just over two years ago,
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michigan voters voted 2 to 1 in favor of expanding voting access in their state. not only are michigan state republicans trying to take away voting rights in their state, but they are doing it in the most contorted least democratic way one can imagine. if you are the secretary of state for the state of michigan, and you are in charge to protecting and administering elections in your state, what would you do right now? you don't have to answer that question because joining us right now is the michigan secretary of state, johnson benson. secretary benson, good to talk to you, thank you for being with us. it's complicated, i don't know how much of that i got right, but it does seem something that seems like a need democratic trick to be able to get people to introduce legislation, might be used as a workaround to the actual democratic process and might work at restricting votes in michigan. >> exactly right. you are talking about 4% of the voting age population being utilized to make the rules, the democracy that would apply to
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the other 96% of the voting age population. as you rightly pointed out, these are rules that have been well settled and embraced by the vast majority of voters on both sides of the aisle in our state. the ability to vote absentee, to use drop boxes, which are wildly popular and secure in 2020. so, what's most pernicious about, this is yes, the policies themselves, which is really an extension of the big lie, as we reflect on the tragedy of january 6th, recognizing the extension of those tragic events are these legislative maneuverings we are seeing all around the country and in michigan. trying to get them through in really one of the more anti-democratic ways which is particularly an affront to voters in our state on both sides of the aisle, and truly anti-american. >> there are two particular issues here. first of, all all of these anti-fraud type attempts are a
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problem in search of a problem. we haven't actually had this problem the country is up in arms about trying to solve. the second one is that everybody comes forward and says we'd like to do this to suppress voter rights. some of these bills, the wording is surprisingly misleading. claiming the bills would do more to establish in person voting. explain to me how you get to the bottom of what the republicans are trying to do in michigan? >> the bottom line is to look at what voters have said over and over again. in order to participate in our government, which is critical to ensuring every other policy that is made as well reflects their values, they voted overwhelmingly to have a vote absentee, and 3.3 million of the 5.5 million citizens who voted in november chose to vote absentee. voters on both sides of the aisle, wildly popular policy, notably the vast -- as a good number of those who voted absentee returned their
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ballots on election day at a local drop box. one of these bills would actually eliminate the ability for voters to use local drop boxes on election day, which would thereby disenfranchise a significant number of those citizens who returned ballots that way on election day. these are a number of technical policies that would combined to undermine the will of the vast majority of voters in the state who have not only stated overwhelmingly they want to be able to have an option to vote absentee or in person, safely and securely, which we've been able to establish in our state, and they would have confidence when they choose that option, they choose their way of voting. that they will be able to do so without any additional burden. >> that's remarkable, the number of people who voted absentee in michigan. and did it successfully without voter fraud. secretary, good to see you again. as always, michigan secretary of state john flynn benson. thank you for your time tonight. we have one more story to get to you on friday night, we will
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administration announced new sanctions on russia yesterday was expected that russia would retaliate in response and today russia did just that. the russian government announced the expulsion of ten american diplomats, it also said that it would shut down all u.s. non government organizations that remained and russia and interfered with russian politics. of course the biden administration lead significant economic sanctions on russia. even russia's foreign ministry acknowledged that we understand the limitation of our ability to mirror a squeeze on the american economy. instead, rachelle placed travel ban on aids american officials banning them from russian soil. fbi director, dhs secretary and director of national security,
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avril haines, of course none of them were planning on traveling to russia. former national security -- she had this reaction quote, so much for taking my family on spring break to our favorite airbnb in siberia. announcing yesterday sanctions president biden said that he wanted to de-escalate tensions with russia, he wanted to quote, a stable and predictable relationship with russia. it seems that today at least russia did not want to escalate, responding with proportional sanctions and expulsions, as for president biden proposal of an in-person summit with vladimir putin this summer in a third country, somewhere in europe, it appears russia is still mulling that invitation over, and has yet to rule it out. as rachel would say, watch this space. that does it for us tonight, rachel will be back on monday, i will see you tomorrow morning, we will dive with the new information that is coming out on russian meddling in our election, i will be joined by an expert who has now been poisoned twice.
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you don't want to miss it. time for the last word with jonathan mackay part, good evening. >> for a moment there i was confused, one day of the week is this? >> i thought it might be sunday. see you then. so today marks 100 days since the january 6th january capital insurrection. it is impossible to forget the images that we saw the day, the violent pro trump mob laying siege in our nation's capital in an attempt to overthrow the election more. than 400 subs suspects have been charged in their role, according to the deputy general, the fbi has made an average of more than four arrests a day seven days a week since january 6th. today, on the 100-day anniversary, the department of justice secured its first guilty plea in connection to the riot, john schaffer,

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