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>> be grateful you have cards and be patient with those who have to use change. >> i should be more patient. my manhattan sensibilities to the sticks of new jersey. a ton of people talks about checks. this from jeff logan, i don't mind cash but [ music playing ] >> thank you for joining us, a little late. some of you have to get up at 4:00 in the morning. it's a terrible thing this morning. >> the right path. >> the beginning of the show, watch the show, i haven't seen the show, but the show emerged. >> two months before the election of 2004, i said, bush is bankrupting us, his foreign policy is bankrupting us, we will lose the next election and wreck the commitment i was
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called the rhino tlhen, now, i' being attacked saying, seriously, we shouldn't drive the beer truck off the cliff. i'm saying the same thing, i'm against big republicanism. >> you are saying these past ten years are all because we didn't listen to you? >> yeah, exactly. >> all right, good morning. it's wednesday, november 13th. you were very good. i wish you had actually changed your clothes this morning. >> oh, continuity. willie and i always say. >> i didn't foy that. >> if clothes are good enough to sleep in. >> look at you. >> hey, that's my denner from last nit. >> does anybody have a hint brush? okay. >> you think this is funny, willie? >> it's good. >> did your book rollout?
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what are you wearing? >> great. >> do you wash? >> no. >> all right. no, i don't, in fact. i'm very french that way. who do we have on set? >> with us on set, we have a senior political reporter for politico. and then we have the very metrosexual. >> look at that handsome guy. >> chairman, donny deutsche. >> what is going on there. >>. >> i'm trying to gussy up the set. >> oh, donny deutsche, look at that, it's his signature in polka dots. >> i get my signature so i don't lose things. when we have on the set the guy with us two days in a row, bad stuff on -- >> oh, god, then there's willie. >> well, you had quite a day
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yesterday, charlie rose, "daly" show the right path. now, he didn't. i'd love to talk about your book. seriously, it's so good, serve talking about i. we could talk about your book for three hours. >> bill clinton actually had some advice for the president yesterday. that's always good, right? you get the president there, the vice president there? >> that was a real moment. >> that was rough. >> that was basically -- >> it's the truth. you know what hit me yesterday is that there is a similarity between barak obama's health care, which is obviously his defining moment in his presidency and george bush's war in iraq. the american people feel deceived. a failure. >> forget motionvation. >> i really want to, come on, they both will. >> former president bill clinton is wadeing into the health care
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debate saying president obama should stick by his now infamous pledge that if you like your plan, you can keep it. >> i personally believe even if it takes a change in the law the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people. >> white house secretary jay carney was asked if the president agrees with clinton's remarks right up there. >> i think as you saw the president say in an interview with nbc last week the answer is yes, the president has asked his team looking at a range of option to make sure nobody is in a position where their plans have been cancelled and they can't afford a better plan even though they would like a better plan . president clinton understood that governing in a divided washington requires a focus on
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common ground, and i hope president obama will follow the former president's lead. i'm not sure that's what he was aing. a number of people seeing tear plans canceled n. virginia, more than 8,000 people have received discontinuation notices. in california, they said they will provide extensions for 200,000 customers. still, some estimates have more than a million people losing their health insurance plans in that state. >> maggie, this really is a seminal moment in this debate and, you know, bill clinton, the guy does understand politics better than any democrat alive right now i think. it's just hard to get around that promise. you talk about iraq, that's
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something 350e something that people request debate. are you talking about health care for millions and millions of people and a broken promise. >> just like you saw with iraq when you saw congressional democrats and republicans have to decide where they will go with this. will you see a lot of that with the coming months. i'm not convinced bill clinton was doing a calculus here. we think everything he does is driven by poetvation. sometimes he's freed up with politics. i do think he is very aware like people like mark prior in arkansas, he cares ability. this gave some cover to a lot of congressional red state democrats who were having problematic races. there is no question the white house, you heard jay carney say there is not much difference 2009 what the president said and the former president said. except the current president has not changed the law. so it's impossible to get around the language bill clinton used with what people are feeling. people are feeling portrayed. they do not feel they are
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passing a law. it's hard to get around. if you are a congressional democrat, what bill clinton did is great f. are you obama and you want to see the aca work not so good. >> so obama in a bind trying to keep the health care vow. they're working to try to physical out how to do that. so it's not like he's digging in and standing by the comments. he apologized for it, too. >> this is a very pleechl you go back through history, george h.w. bush, read my lips, no new taxes him you keep that pledge or break that pledge. same thing with george w. bush, wmds. the president will keep that pledge or not keep that pledge. this is not political. this is just reality. for millions and millions of american, it's going to have an impact. its number, willie, are lower than they have been. i can't believe it's not attached to this issue. >> it is almost certainly attached to this issue t. problem persists, so it's okay to apoll jaz, you got to fix the
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problem. we talk about a seminal moment or a tipping point. you have dick durbin, these are not pea party guys intent on taking down the president. they are supporters of president obama saying we got to do something about this provision this has gone too far. this not a broken website. we can explain that away. this is about the substance of the law that's hurting some percentage of americans. >> donny, let me ask you this, we always make fun of your cap. this is the stuff of the largest companies in the world. >> this is what you do. >> if you had a company, let's say you used to do jam. >> a true story. >> if they had a massive rollout the most important rollout in history and it was an utter failure, like this has been, the launch, just the launch. i'm not judging the substance of this back pedaling i'm giving
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you. and they couldn't get it fixed unless they shut production down, recalled the cars and went back and redesigned it from start to finish and it might delay the biggest launch in gm history for six months and you had a ceo who had his george bush for at least three-and-a-half years ago wouldn't you tell them, guy, shut production down, start over. i know ford is going to kick your ass. i know krois ler is goichryslerk you. i know your rivals will use this as a way to make you look weak. this is the strongest move you can make. >> it's a quagmire. once a movie has an open weekend and it fails, it's very hard to put that genie back in the bottle. we are asking people to modify their behavior, with i is
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different to begin with. now we have this debacle out of the gate, starting with 100,000 people signing up, 500,000 people losing insurance. it's been so tarnished. i don't know how you put the genie back in the bought him. it's been so difficult, even if he says that, do-over, timeout. rebought. i think the perception right now is so damaged, i don't know if he ever. i don't know if this legislation ever fully comes back. >> can i tell you for a sing, a movie that has its ugly weekend, if it's a bus, if it's heaven's gate, it's heaven's gate. you can't do a re-release, but -- >> it has to work. >> but in this case the affordable caring a, they shut it down six months and say we're going to launch this in the middle of next summer. they launch it, the website works, the call centers work. people can get insurance and like the pensacola that i have
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that had two kids with pre-existing conditions that was able to whooiz whiz through it in 15 minutes, 30 minutes, sign up, get insurance for less an tell all of their republican friend, hey, look what just what happened to us. it's not quite like a movie. if it works, then it works for everybody. >> it's not quite like a movie, but this -- i am concerned. in an ideal world, that's going to work. my in my instinct tell me, you got to give consumers per mamission to believe. the core essence this thing is down. >> you are asking, you are hired to fix this? >> i don't fix this. i hopefully find another job
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before i take this job. >> that bad? is it fixable in. >> the one bellwhether is you got to give back, unbreak your broken promise. right now, it's the lightning rod. the one thing i do. this has to change. at least there is a perception you are listening. that's the one thing i address and then do another piecemeal. >> do you agree with bill clinton, he's got to keep the promise or else you have broken the wing? >> let's not act like bill clinton came up with this idea t. white house has already had this. >> unfortunately, that's not the right thing to do. >> that almost coasts the purpose of the legislation, other companies go back. >> talk about that. we are all sitting around here talking about, gee, he needs to keep this promise. what is the impact if he keeps this promise? >> it's going to fundamentally change it. it will impact the pool in terms of the exchanges and the way they work.
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it will have an effect on it, which is why the white house said quietly they're not in favor of a legislative fix. they can probably do stuff in a certain percentage of the way. keep it, fix it, it's a lot easier than it sounds. >> willie, that's a real big problem. consumers again if we talk about general motors promising something we can't deliver, consumers will say, wait a second. this entire products rollout. >> for people who can get it. >> it's unsustainable. you have to, when you launch something, you have to get the ploy i don't see behind it. whereas, basically, you don't have the ploy i don't see the american people behind this thing. you need to give them an emotional nugget even if it cuts into the correlation. >> down, though, tdo you think, the president would shut it
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down? it is a concessional dephoto. people have been saying this is too big a deal to hand him. could he recover if he said we're taking a six-month break? >> there are two separate issues. one is keep the plan you had promise. the other is that the website is completely unequipped to handle everything else. even if they are fixing this one side the few people who could sign up the few people who could make the law a success, can't make it a accident even though it would benefit from it. i don't think he can in terms of the actual plan. i think politically it would be the end and have a terrible impact on the mid-terms. >> president obama's approval ratings have touched a new low and yet another poll the majority of americans also saying he is simply not paying enough attention to what his administration is doing. american voters disapprove of the president 54 to 39. his lowest score ever in the quinnipiac polling.
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that's identical to how president barb u bush was doing in his second term. his major demographics have sunk 2009 women and independents and older americans. for the first time, the majority feels the president is not honest and trustworthy, he is upsidedown on everything from foreign policy to immigration still, the president is not in congress, the legislative approval rating. >> i'm sorry. look at that, he doesn't have enough hookers at this point. >> go to tj for second. we make fun of tj, but that 9%, i mean, you guys the graphics department, that is good. do you see how big that 9%. can we do that again? tj actually did something light here. 9%. >> what is the deal there, who is those people? >> you have been talking about chris christie this week,
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coincidentally, bill clinton's calculus as far as doing this, coming off of this, and coming off the last bush administration, does this now hurt hillary clinton because she is, i don't want to say business as usual. she's incredibly competent and help the chris christies in the world, people will want a hard right turn. obviously, this is not hillary clinton's mess, but it is more of the same part of the -- she's part of the establish. . does this in anyway staip shape or form or negative disparity? >> on hillary? >> yes. >> i think it hurts all democrats right now, i think it hurts in a terrible way. you look at the fact about that the president has bush level aparole rahas /* -- has post ka try fa levels.
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>> my point is people want new. >> when you ice that, when you say americans will take a hard right turn. no, i think what you are going to look at is i think you are going to see, first of all, increased skepticism on big government solutions. i think that will help republicans. i don't think necessarily americans will take a hard right turn and they will want to elect, let's say, michelle bachmann. i think what you will see is a cry for competence here because you are going -- this is our second president who has not seen up to the task of being president. approval ratings in the 30s. a disastrous second term. and i just want to take exception with one thing you say. it's your business. i understand it. i can tell you what i would do in a situation like this and, obviously, i'm not, i don't have the same concerns or
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responsibilities by any stretch within i was -- if congress as somebody who is president of the united states. but this is just a leadership issue, whether you are running a baptist church or a football team or a country. if something is this badly screwed up, you go in and you call everybody around around say, we need to stop the bleeding in the next two weeks, or we're shutting this down. my approval ratings are in the 30s, they're going to drop in the 20s. >> you never get back. >> you foe what, i almost swore. obama told me what i would tell a staff member, that's bs. you foe what, this is the bleeding. we are bleeding out right now politically. if are you the president, you are going to say, we are not going to be able pass immigration reform. we are not going to be able to do anything here. >> what are you saying, you are seeing the white house doing exactly that. they've got an actual deadline. that's very soon. obviously, if they can't think that deadline.
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>> mika, i'm not talking about the website t. website now is so enconsequence ishl. >> -- inconsequential. >> you have to clear out everything else. you know, he's got to zone out. you know the republican, he's got to get rid of all of the noise. forget the ground noise. look straight at the signal. listen for the signal. the signal is this, are you going to be seen as a leader that is seen as keeping his promise or breaking his promise? if you choose to keep your promise, then you live to fight another day. >> i understand, it's devastating for aca, but this is going to require him to call everybody down and say, we got to rety this from the startup. guess what, that may require us to bring people in here that we loathe and loathe us and sit down and physical out how do we move this health care plan
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forward? i don't think there is any other alternative or we will be here six months from now talking about a guy with approval ratings in the 20s. >> i think he's right. i think we are going to be sitting here talking about a guy. if he does that, he is essentially saying that other priorities will take precedence, like immigration reform. a bunch of other things he wants to get them through. he won't be able to get them through because republicans will think they can stop it at any point. >> you will see republicans will see this as a seen of weakness? >> i do. i do. i think the democrats will not stand with him on this. they will feel betrayed. you are seeing them offer fixes already, almost any will not get through the house, why would republicans take that issue away, let republicans off the hook. >> the thing is the president can't lay low the website problem isn't going anywhere. there is a new report saying it won't be ready for a long time
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this cancellation issue isn't going anywhere, either. more and more people have their policies issued. you can't lay low and hope this passes. coming up on "morning joe" chris matthews will be here and larry summers and conduct todd and mike tyson, boxing champ. >> i want to see tyson go at it. >> here's fill kearns. >> good morning, i will give everyone an update on the devastation in the phillipines from tiemp hai tiempb tie find haiyan. they have lowered that to 2,500. now the fear is keeping everyone alive that survived the storms. they need fresh water. they need food and in a hurry. when you see these before and after pictures we're showing you
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right now, you can get the sense of what's going on. an estimated as many as 70,000 people's homes have been destroyed. you can see everything near the coast literally wiped off the map. a lot of people managed to revive. now they need water and food in a hurry. i know a lot of our military troops are on the way. a, the forecast, it's cold as advertised. for the surprise there, temperatures are much colder this morning, temperatures in the teens in the great lakes. as far as the wind chill, it will be in the 20s. the washington, d.c. and everyone else, you are waking up to almost like a winter-like morning. at least we will have some sun. you are watching "morning joe. "
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[ music playing [ music playing ] >>. >> it's time now to take a look at the parade of papers from the l.a. times t. justice department gave american airlines and usairways the support to make it merge, making it the world's biggest airline. as part of the agreement they have to give up dozens of gates, including new york, los angeles and washington, d.c. this move will allow low cost airlines to take over gates to insure the merger does not increase airfare. >> if you read this, from the new york times, the freedom tower at one world trade center in new york city is now officially the tallest building. >> there you go. >> in the united states. there was controversy whether the 408 tower on top.
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the panel decided to bring its official height to 1,776 feet. >> perfect. >> it's a tidal wave from chicago's willis tower, formerly known as the searstory. >> rom wasn't happy. >> i would say all the experts gathered in one room and it look like an antenna and acts like an antenna, guess what, it is an antenna. that's number one. number two, i think the willis tower will you have a view unprecedented in the landscape and its capacity to capture something, something you can't do from an antenna, not that competitive. if you want to fly on top of the an antenna and take a look. >> i was going to say, that is
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aurie. >> probably drove their mother absolutely insane. i bet they would not stop arguing ever. >> kind of like you. the san francisco chronicle says the cholesterol treatment may double the number of people taking statins often prescribed to treat heart attacks will now also be used to prevent -- >> there you go, okay. >> we have seen other studies that this could work on a lot of other long-terrell illnesses. you need to start taking those. >> i do have high, you can actually adjust your cholesterol with diet. >> i don't believe that. >> well, i've done that. sorry. flax seed, flax seed oil. fish. lots of things can bring your cholesterol down. i try to get you to eat them. also, from the san francisco chronicle, a professor of
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psychology in london says, e-cigarettes have the potential to save millions of lives. limited studies show nicotine vaporizers have fewer negative effects than regular cigarettes. >> a lot fewer. >> some say using e-cigarettes to quit smoking could have a powerful impact. that's exciting news, people need help. >> that's what i talked about my friend, we don't get in the car. >> right. >> they need to get help with their addiction. all right. usa today, a 1969 painting by the artist francis bacon sold for $142 million. >> can you believe that? >> shattering the most auctioned art t. piece sold after six minutes of bidding. >> did it, really? >> at christy's auction house in new york. my goodness, it's a painting of the artist lucian freud.
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the previous record was held by edward monk, the screen. i have in my house. it's an incredible piece. it sold for $120 million in 2012. >> you sheffield out $120 million? >> no, i did a piece on that for cbs sunday morning. what's wonderful about that piece, i got a posterboard of it. is everybody sees something different in it. >> that's great. i love art. tampa bay times the idea of needing your beauty sleep may be true. researchers surveyed photos of me and say, god, he's ugly. they looked at people awake for more than 31 hours, their eyes were bloodshot, droopy, swollen. there you go. scientists say this proves those who are sleep deprived are perceived as less attractive and less healthy. as you can tell, i haven't slept in weeks. >> in 80 years. >> we prove that every morning at about 6:00 with the eyes, the whole thing, not good.
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>> we're going to do politico. we're not going down to mike allen. >> no. >> we don't need him. we don't need the vander high guy the ceo. we got the great maggie with us for the playbook. you are big, in the too big for us. >> let's talk about rand paul. he was at the citadel in charleston yesterday. talking to members of the military, here's a little of what he said. >> for our country's sac, certainly for our soldier's sake, for the sake of every veteran who donned the uniform and not for his country or her country. america's mission should always be to keep the peace, not police the world. in america they did not seek to become involved in every conflict around the world would do things that can make us safer at home and abroad. eisenhower is right to observe that little wars can lead to bigger wars. reagan was right, that america's purpose is to promote peace
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through strength. >> some people see that in the republican party, maggie, are talking again about rant paul and isolationism. what's the line that he walks here? >> he's trying to be reagan without beening an isolationist. he's trying to look at a, he's going to the citadel, a military institution, he's not avoiding it. this is a big theme of his. he is going to places that it moo be welcome. he is saying, i will keep my message consistent. i think you will continue to hear a lot of that, the line is, he has to not seem like his dad, he is saying, no wars, no time, no intervention, no anything. i think the folks feel he established that. the other thing important about that speech, he had 33 footnotes. remember, he had a bit of a speech problem, lately. >> footnotes aside, isn't there more of an appetite after the last 12 years and what we see in this country from iraq to afghanistan for what he's talking about? he's saying, let's be smart about when we go in and how we go in.
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>> he is not necessary will where the republican base, he is a segment where public sentiment is more broadly. this is why his supporters think he has a bigger chance in iowa, in new hampshire, than a lot of people give him, because people would like to pull america back as opposed to being engaged overseas. >> interesting. >> he does a food speech. >> joe and mika will be in washington, by the way, today, to talk about joe's if you book the right path. first, politics and pros, that's at 4:00. then politico cocktails with mike allen and jim vandehigh. go to mojo.msnbc.com for more details. coming up next, the college basketball season off to an incredible start. a final four in chicago. who are the best teams in the country and freshman phenom's
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>> while some parents are careful letting their kids get too attached to technology, some encourage it. apple introduced a new product to cash in on that fact. >> we change the way you listen to music. we change the way you communicate. we change the way you play and now, apple gives you the imom. the imom will peer at your child at every stage of life, from toddler, chloe, be careful not to fall off the bed. >> to todd. >> and then the little elephant shook the tree, coconuts, coconuts, he cried with glee. >> to tim. >> don't even think about it you little blankhead. oh, mom, imom, there is no mom in mother until now. i never loved your father. >> wow. wow. >> a good one. >> oh, that's good. jimmy kim mel, very funny.
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>> last night, mid-november, incredible night of college basketball. basically the final four at the champions classic. michigan state, kentucky, kansas, duke the four top five teams in the country. some of the nation's best new talent, incredible. too highly touted freshmen called the best basketball players since lebron james, jabari parker stops, hits the jumper, that gives duke a 72-73 lead. five minutes to play. late in the half, kansas up 4 points, wiggins off the steal, goes the length. dunk and the foul. despite jabri parker's 27 points, wiggins and kansas get the better of the deal. they knocked off nuke 94-83. early game, number two, michigan state and top ranked kentucky first time since 2008. two number one teams in the
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country have met. second half tied. michigan state hits the 3. kentucky going to throw it away and gary harris drives and lays it in. a 5-point swing to put the spartans on top. michigan state a 2-point lead. brandon dawson, rebound. spartans win 78-74, a great game. they will now be the number one team in the country. it looks like it will be a fun college basketball seventeen. a brutal aaa hockey game. in orange, facing off against the toledo kerr key. cherokee player gets hit. retaliates by swinging his stick at a player's head. oh my gosh. >> wow. >> oh my gosh. >> ban the kid for life for throwing some punches, his opponent is down, luckily the player wearing a slash guard came up with only a few bruises. the players are both 14-years-old. >>, so, womanly, i don't understand something, i don't
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watch hockey a lot on tv. i was switching through the channels the other day and these guys just, i mean i watched it growing up as a kid some, but these guys just started a fight. it was like a boxing patch. and what shocked me was, it was a pretty violent fight. the ref was, you know, publg everybo pulling everybody away, it wasn't hockey, it was boxing. >> it is, they don't have to pull them apart until they go down to the ice. that when they believe somebody can get really hurt. >> what does it have to do with the game? >> we are so asus to himmed to it. imagine it in any other game. imagine a basketball game or a football game where two guys could stand there and start swinging? insanity. >> they're afraid to take it out. they think there is an appeal it to. it is grotesque, but that's never going away. >> was it like this when like
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bobby orr played? >> eia. oh, yeah. >> there are guys that they are proved just to be enforcers. >> i was surprised that everything just stopped and these guys are just punching each other in the face. you know. >> 14. >> they're kids. >> that kid should be banned for life. for the league should ever take that kid again. >> you know, you see some face offs before the puck, or the second the puck goes down the guys take their gloves off, it's a premeditated fight. they're going at it. it's a bizarre element to a game. >> some editors do that, john meachham. >> oh my gosh. >> you are sitting across the table, you know, he drops his pen, he starts wailing. he's got this left hook. believe it or not, he's like frazier, he actually comes off with the left hook. >> frazier. >> you know what they call him in nash victim? the bellemeade enforcer.
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talk to your doctor and visit crohnsandcolitisadvocates.com to connect with a patient advocate from abbvie for one-to-one support and education. . >> we're not going to move forward looking back. the fact of the matter is, reagan figured out like i figured out, i write about this in the book. they fixed out how to connect their policies with the middle america. we haven't done that in a long time. that's why we lose more elections. >> do you think reagan could get elected in the today's republican party? >> i'm not sure. we have been conducting ideological witch hunts in our party. if you don't agree 100% on the issues, somehow you are out. you have to figure out how to
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win elections. >> you did a great job. it was fun. >> always a lot of fun. >> then you did the "daly" show, good lor, the "today" show, where are you not in. >> can i say what i learned, we always dos what i learned today. what i learned yesterday. >> oh my lord. >> i got to say it. bet has a show i never seen. i know this will shock the kids. because i usually watch bet all day. "real husbands of hollywood." those guys are so, have you seen it yet? >> like faux reality show. >> we have got -- it's a faux reality show. it is about funny, kevin hart is amazing. all of them. it was really special. >> i thought they were funny. >> mr. meachham asked a question
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leading up to the early days comben when you were on a company in pensacola, did you dream of talking with jen my mccarthy? >> i do remember in 1993, my dad said to me, he said, that's great, joey, i'm voting for earl. then i turned and looked at my mom. my mom goes i'll vote for you, if i do, down he will ever get to talk goldwater with mccarthy? i said, yes, mom. finally i realized. >> really, '93 will go down, you were planning the goldwater conversation. >> it worked great. you were great. >> she was great, too. isn't she a sexy woman in her '80s? i'm saying this straight on, no, she is one of the sexiest women on the earth. >> they're all amazing.
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>> she is very knowing. >> she is great. she's got a thing going on. >> she's got a thing going on. >> i love her. >> barbara or jenny? >> we all agree. formidable woman. >> i think that's an understatement. who scares you more, barbara walters or the lady you call bar or mika? ? >> mika more because you always fear more of the more familiar figure. you know, barbara walters sort of inspires fear from afar. >> be i the way, he did explain to everybody at column aia and hess dead serious, because, you know, we are all scared to death of mika, she plays gracie allen c-span. >> she plays gracie allen on tv the second the cameras go off, she's a bitch. she is her father. she takes on that accent.
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okay. you all will be fired tomorrow. >> i don't know why you'd be afraid of me. >> we're all afraid. hey, alex, look at alex. we do enrate is people in on this, she does play the gracie allen routine. who scares the hell out of you every day? >> first answer is mika, a close second is mika. >> you don't realize this. >> are you that sweet. i am so strong. >> we are not try to be sweet. >> all right. gracie, can you do your gracie routine and maybe lucille ball, stumble around a exit and find the machete. >> does that make willie vivian -- >> i like. keep dicking that hole. "wall street journal," it's this one, right, because i wouldn't do anything that you don't
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approve of. >> she picks it out and acts like these differential. >> you are so part is. nobody asked, during the 2008 primary race, mr. obama, you rejected hillary clinton's proposed individual mandate. you said if health insurance were a good deal, nobody would have to be forced to buy i. okay. everybody can change its mine. why implement the mandate in a way that forces many people to buy insurance at inflated prices, a bad deal in order to subsidize others. isn't a universal principle of good governance, subsidies should be funded openly and honestly with tax dollars rather than disguise taxes disfavored individuals. in your summit, you dismissed what you called health insurance, keep policies that protect people from serious illness or injury but otherwise leave them to fund routine medical care out of pocket. how do you reconcile this with your offstated promise that people can keep their existing insurance?
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>> put this in historic am context. we were trying to go around for the first 15, 20 minutes and physical out what the president can do. he now has bush numbers post-katrina. i think we all came to the conclusion, thinking that historically, what does the president do? you make what may be considered as a broken vow. now people don't trust him. the poll numbers are dragging right now. historically, where does he look for guidance? >> he would have to act knowledge, beginning with him would be a humble recognition of error. he would have to realize that perhaps he or his administration overreached or in this case underreached to some extent on the implementation and then do a kind of blue tonian readjustment. there -- plutonnian readjustment. i heard maggie say how unlikely one thing this would be, this confession. i totally agree.
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but you do wonder in this political climate, since things do move more rapidly than ever before, an ad mission of, you know what, we didn't get this right. this is 20% of the economy. it's reason based. i'm not going to willfully pursue it as an agenda. we will hit the pause button and go to 2.0 on this. >> what if george w. bush hid the pause button at the end of 2004 instead of dumping down, quadrupling down, there weren't wmds in iraq, i am sorry, we screwed up. we're going to get an international force in there and we're going to bring our troops home. how different would george w. bush's second term have been? how different would this country's standing in the world have been? there are times that, you know, old yiddish proverb, no matter how far down a path you are, it
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is the wrong path, turn around. >> well, because it's, you know, 6:53 in the east. i think we need to talk about winston church hymn for a second. >> oh, right. it is that time. >> it is that time. >> done fiwas just saying this off camera. >> in his plaid jumper suit. >> early 1992, everything is going to hell. we are a long way from north africa from any kind of victory, churchill gives a 10,000 word defense in the house of commons. there is a vote of confidence, which he rejected the hell out of. the growth is memoirs. i, of course, welcomeled this vote of confidence in the midst of a war. but he said words to the effect of the british people can face any misfortune as so long as those in charge of their affairs are fots deceiving them or not themselves dwelling in a fool's paradise. and if winston churchill can say
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that in the middle of world war ii, i think barak obama can say it in the middle of a domestic policy. >> there you go. winston churchill. by the way, my father called and saw you reading to that man on the floor. says i'm a very good reader. on tomorrow's show, virginia governor bob mcdonald joins us and fed chief alan greenspan and senator mccain. joe manchen. >> more "morning joe" back in a moment. hing out of pipe. . customer erin swenson ordebut they didn't fit.line customer's not happy, i'm not happy. sales go down, i'm not happy. merch comes back, i'm not happy. use ups. they make returns easy. unhappy customer becomes happy customer. then, repeat customer.
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no, i love children. well. >> oh my gosh. >> dot by randy zuckerman, zuckerberg, she's nice, by the way. her book's amazing. it's so great for kids. >> she started reading a children's book. i regressed. >> we will be talking to chuck todd, also, tina brown is here in studio. keep it on "morning joe."
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. >>. >> the air is filled with excitement. the weight of history leaning on this moment. the triumphant climax of a long drama finally coming to fruition. what the -- you are going to end decades of hostility in a conference room in a best western? what is this? what is it the time share sales group get the roosevelt suites? or did you blow the whole budget on that john stewart impersonator? [ cheers ] [ applause ]
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stop stealing my life. you handsome dawg. >> you did a great job on "the "daly" show," joe, talking about the right path. >> thank you so much. >> out yesterday, some fun talking ab it. welcome back to "morning joe." john meachham and donny deutsche are still with us. joining the table. >> a bad law firm. have you been injured in an accident? >> who was receiving the lifetime achieve. reward from the news women's club of new york on thursday, editor-in-chief of the "daily beat. request itself tina brown. >> thank you. >> congratulations. >> if washington, chief correspondent director and host of the "daily rundown," chuck todd. good to sigh you. >> chuck, where do we begin? you obviously got the bill clinton statement saying that president obama should honor his word, the people that anybody that likes their health
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insurance can keep their health insurance and doctor. you got the president's approval ratingt. they hit an all time low. let's put that up on the screen right now that shows the president's disapproval rating is at 54%. he has a 39% approval rating. those are george w. bush numbers that bush experienced for months after what was considered to be the low point of his presidency after katrina rolled ashore and he had such a horrific response according to most experience e americans. we have been sitting around here, got a bunch of know it alls around the table in the first hour and know what we fixed out, will is just no easy way out for the president. with his poll numbers plunging, the website still not working. a dead lean of november 30th. everybody knows they're not going to meet for fixing that. now this promise issue. the president, yet all the
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quinnipiac numbers are bad, just like all of the pugh numbers. americans don't trust it anymore. what does he do? >> i think the clever number is the trust worthy question. it's something that had never flipped upsidedown. we haven't done ours in a while. obviously, this has been a three-week pattern you know, we hit an all time low t.nbc "wall street journal," he hit a long-term one. pugh, not queen pack, it's obvious what's going on here, the health care rollout. you have the combination of the horrendous summer he had, this loft year in general. let's not ignore there appears to be a race to the bottom. a poll. >> 9%. >> even lower as if that couldn't get any lower. so it is for the president it's all about -- >> 9%.
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unbelievable. >> that's just family. >> friends and family. >> that's just family now. no more friends donny, you made some clear points, especially with the analogy, tina brown isn't the one thing that could turn this around in the long run is to have the success stories of people who seen up, who would never get health care or have preexisting conditions to actually have. is there a possibility to get enough people signed up and if they do, to have success stories at least not outnumber but balance out these stories of botched rollouts? >> i mean, that's right. i think twob it would have to be six months from now to clean up the message clear and have a real company attack. >> if they don't get people signed up. >> i know, it's a disaster.
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this is really being obama's hurricane katrina, this whole botched rollout. the problem is it dovetails the narrative feelth about obama is he is a guy that makes announcements but can't get stuff done. that's one of the appeals of christie, it's a styleish issue. he looks like a guy that gets stuff done. people feel for competence. >> the poll right now did the president knowingly deceive americans? 46% say yes. 47% sayo. chuck what in the world is the white house talking to you about doing right now? they can't allow this program to bleed out like it is. what is their strategy? >> well, they know they have a credibility problem. i think that's why they put the president out last week. they were hoping an apology would at least slow the bleedling. they're not going to pretend
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it's going to stop their political bleeding at this point. but it all goes into getting this fixed. there is -- it's not like they can go and travel the country and start talking about the economy, start pushing immigration reform. i mean, they're trying to do other things. i think he has a meeting today. they know ultimately this is about getting the website fixed. trying to turn this aircraft carrier and create the perception that the health care law while the rollout was rocky, that there the a what i that this thing will eventually work. look. the biggest fear they've got is that if there is this perception that it's never going to work, then it's going to deter people from enrolling and that's a huge concern. >> that's my concern, chuck. you used the big word, the p word the perception word. look, six months from now, this is perfect or disaster, we can
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write 20 stories about someone who never had health care and somebody who lost their health care and their world fell apart. my concern is that it's never going to get back, that it has been so damaged at this point that the perception will never change. you never will get past the goal line where everybody democrats or republicans, you have irrefutable evidence that this thing has worked. my concern is that the team, the american public is not behind it and i don't know how they swing back. i never felt like this until the last few days. >> that is my concern i don't know how you change perfection even if the facts line up behind you. >> i feel an enormous fear it isn't going to work at the end of november. i think they had a mistake saying it will be fixed by the end of november. >> so what happens when they took his new deadline.
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>> they had to set the deadline. >> so what happens when it doesn't work by the end of november, chuck? >> why did they have a specific deadline? >> they had to set a deadline because january 1 is when the actual coverage checks in. if they're going to start getting healthy people to enroll, december is arguably the most important enrollment month during this open enrollment period. >> are they going to be ready? >> at this point would you set a deadline you can't meet? >> i think you set a deadline that you have to meet. because then mika you have to change the law, then you got to delay it and do all these things they just not during a government shutdown over. >> right. >> tina brown, i want to show you what president bill clinton had to say yesterday about barak obama keeping his promise. >> i personally believe even if
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it takes a change in the law the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got. >> that's tough. i think he said he's being realistic. it seems to me, we are talking about how it has to be done. if it doesn't work, you have to be realistic an truthful. clearly, they are going to have to roll back the promise that it didn't work. >> there is a con91 drunundrum. if he answers -- >> i don't think he lied. >> if he now says you can have your old health care back, it actually starts to beat into the efficacy of the aca legislation and in long term actually defines its failure. in the end it does or it doesn't. >> he said it needed tweaking, it should have tweaks. if the atmosphere was so punitive and antagonistic, you could say, sure, you got the wrong, let's fix it.
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of course, now we got a situation which is whether the republicans are riding into the dust. it's a wonderful god given gift they have. >> don't look at me, donny, i don't think we're riding it into the dust. we are watching it go into the dugs. the president seems to be riding this into the dust, himself. john meachham. so let's follow up on whatty fa says about the president. president clinton, what he had to say. it is devastating but at the same time, what other option does he have? you break your word to the american people at this level? i can only think of george h.w. bush, related my lips, no new taxes. it had a devastating impact on his political career. >> and the distinction there is that when the first president bush broke that company pledge, he did it to try to create growth. you know it was an ideological pledge that a lot of people in real time argued against.
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he broke, a he did a deal the right wing didn't like it. the rest of the country liked it in the 1990s, including his successor who credits that budget deal. i'm just curious, i mean, do we have anything in obama's life where he has been able to do a course correction? and is there anything in his life experience, which is something that's, i mean, important to all of us, naturally, but he's so much a candidate of biography? can you think of anything? >> i can't really think of anything and, in part, it's because, you know, he got to the white house relatively speaking without a lot of the struggles that other presidential candidates have had. bill clinton constantly was having to remake himself. he gets elected. you know, he loses himself in '76 in a political campaign. he gets elected in '78 governor. he loses in 1980.
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he has to recreate himself and get elected again in '82. he has a disaster at the convention in '88. he has to scratch and claw his way back in 1982. in new hampshire, the biggest primary if his political life. he has a scandal that comes out and explodes. he has to scratch and claw his way back. that's a guy that gets elected in '92. he has a radical collection in '94. he brings in republican dick morris, save me while everybody in the white house hated morris' guts. they resented bill clinton for doing this. guess what, radical course correction. he turns around and boats us about the head. us republicans thought we finally had him in his sights in '98. he turns around, survives, leads with a 60% approval rating. why? because he constantly made course corrections. i don't have to tell you about fdr. fdr was constantly improviseing. >> there is no new people in
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obama's circle. >> no, of course not. >> they are bringing them in. >> they made the decision early on, the president made the decision, i'm not going to expand my circle of friends. >> the smartest guy in the complex. >> there is the thing, it isn't perhaps just adaptable course correction stuff that he did. he also had to run and manage things and experience as a governor the need to manage and change the executive decisions. obama's biggest lapses is the executive experience. he knows how to manage. this health care thing is a classic inability to oversee in a managerial granular sense how something will be. >> i always thought it was such a joke during the 2008 campaign everybody talked about the courage of barak obama being against the iraq war when he came from a district that that was actually the politically safe move to make. he was a running, he was a state
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senate district in illinois in hyde park where it was a safe move to make, where bill clinton, going back to bill clinton, how you could say ronald reagan in california in 1966, you know, or you can talk about fdr or t.r. where they had to deal with people that didn't agree with him 100% of the time. you know, bill clinton was a democrat in arkansas. >> a conservative state. >> so you tell me, is there anything in the president's biography that suggests that he can come out and do what bill clinton did in '94 and say, basically, hey, you screwed up. we hear you. we are going to change? >> my fear actually is the buy graphical impulse is the opposite. that having to raise himself, having to be so self reliant, the father gone the mother, you know that what his life, his first 44 years taught him if he
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relies on himself, ledo well. the president of the united states 44-years-old, 46 and so that, you know that psychological makeup leads to -- >> accountability. >> talking about the presidency. >> so, chuck, who is the person saying this to the president? >> i assume it's dennis the chief of staff, that he's the one that can have these straight conversations with hims, but i think the outside critique and it drives the white house crazy, but this idea that it's -- >> by the way, can we just say for the record, everything drives the white house crazy. for the past five years. >> during passover, we sometimes repeat something over and over again. so, yes, it's just a given this drives the white house crazy. let's get that out of the way.
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>> but the fact, it does feel bubblish right now. it does feel as if -- >> but also. >> bunkerish. >> in a bunker mentality. >> this could be like in the rear view mirror of the echo chamber if they get the number. i'm not saying it's possible. >> he needs the young people. they will not sign up. the numbers will not stack up. >> we will know when we know. when we see it happen. >> if anything, it keeps getting worse, if anything, you are telling people, stands back. >> don, his tore scli, i know we have to go, but, historically, i think one of the biggest problems of long shot candidates like barak obama are jimmy carter is they get elected when everybody says there is no way they can ever get eelection day. then they end up winning and the lesson they learn walking through the gates of the white house the first time is that the
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washington chattering chances are always wrong. anything they ever say is illegitimate. remember when they said there was no way to ever be elected president. look how wrong they were. they're in their little bubble. they go to their george town cocktail party and you see it time and time again. the president is going to the white house, thinking they're the smartest people on the planet. the staff is thinking, we are the first people to crack the code. so all the rules that apply to every other white house doesn't apply to us. i see it time and time and time again. most white houses get brutalized, just by history. >> the nature of the job. >> and a lot of people learn, but they were wrong the first time. >> that means they will be wrong every time. >> all right. >> john needs to answer this, gracie. >> you know things can reverse themselves. >> totally. >> osama bin laden, then all of
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a sudden, the whole america -- >> exactly. >> there is a reason shakespeare wrote about self pity among leaders, it's a human impulse. it seems to me the human drama is the prologue. it suggests he is not that adaptable when he's under attack because he gets on a totally human level, he gets defensive about it as all of us did. >>ty fa brown, thank you very much. i disagree. with le see if it happens. chuck, we'll see you coming up. >> let's keep riding this into the ground. yes. he will turn it around, it will be perfect for him. just stay the course. >> i believe you know some people. >> he sometimes pullles it out. all right. still ahead, chris matthews. yeah, your friends. up ec in, former treasury secretary larry somers standing by. why he says the battle over the
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budget is the wrong fight. are you watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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. [ music playing ] >> look at that beautiful shot. >> i don't know what it is. >> you don't? >> a gorgeous shot of the white house. >> here with us now the former treasury signature and former director of the national economic council larry summers, confirming this morning he has no idea what a miley cyrus is. >> let's read from your october 13th open op-ed. give the obama care buck a treatment. that the delays to health care the risk is a vicious cycle that develops in which poor government performance leads on the one hand to overly bold promises of repair. on the other, to reduce funding
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and support for those doing the work. this then loads to unmet expectations and disappointments, setting off the cycle once again. in the end, government loses this ability to deliver for citizens and citizens lose respect for government. democracy is the loser. there are so many, the dangers far exceed the dangers of the one program. don't they? a failure. >> look, joe, i think it's really important as a country that we get this right and as i've tried to express in that column, okay. it should have been managed much better. of course, it's critic alta it be managed well. of course, it's critical that haveing been too optimistic in the past, those in charge of the program recognize whatever the challenges and whatever the problems are and describe them accurately. the football team gets behind and starts throwing hail marries, usually gets further behind, they've got to deal with this in a methodical way.
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>> wouldn't you sa i that november 30th day is a hail mary? >> i'm not prepared to judge that. i'm not on the inside. i don't know what's going on. i think jeff zi giants is a terrific guy. they have to proceed in a disciplined and deliberate way. no hail marys from here. at the same time, tow, look in viewing this, i've seen it in the private sector many times, people launch information, technology, front, there is an old joke about them, if you want to foe when tail get finished, double it, then move to the next higher unit of time. days become weeks. weeks become months. so it's hard to do. but what is an extra problem in this environment is trying to do it within there is an organized constituency for failure. >> that really does make it much harder and that's not how it
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should be. we debated this. we debated et again. there have been efforts to repeal it 30 some times in the house. the will of the congress isn't there to repeal it. the supreme court had a chance, the supreme court didn't decide it. it was constitutional. now, the patriotic place to be is in support of implementing it up then we should watch and see what happens and make whatever decisions we can from that. that's what really bothers me. >> that does create this risk. >> larry, that bothers me, too. but what also bothers me is and i need to know, i am so curious in having worked on the inside, you must have some insight. you must have a gut feeling about it. who sets out the president there to say if you leak your plan, you can keep it. 22 tiles, made it almost a narrative when it wasn't true. why do you think this has been as tough as it has? in terms of management, what
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happened? >> look the management is hard every time you do a big i.t. project, they usually go wrong in the private sector, two, here is an organized constituency for failure. the philosophy of the president's program, there are a lot of different options. a lot of people think you should have some single payer system. a lot of people think you should have some medicare for all system. of all the various options on the table for getting us to universal health insurance, the president chose the one most oriented to preserving the status quo for people who liked it. >> that is what he chose. >> that is what he was expressing when he said, when he said what he said. you know, in retrospect, the president spoken to how ho sees all of that. i'm certainly not from the outside going to try to add anything to that. >> right. >> i guess i think there is another side of this, fairness requires. i have been very clear in that
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column. i said, does the president recognize it was an inexcusable error. but at the same time, let's recognize we have done something that hasn't been done in 50 years, we bent the curve on health care costs. let's recognize there are millions of other americans like my stepdaughter who otherwise would have had very expensive health insurance and are under their parents health insurance. let's recognize at a time when poverty is a larger concern, there are millions of americans who are already being enrolled in medicaid without any problem. >> if you lose your job, you can still get health insurance. >> if you loads your job, if you don't have a job, if you just left school, if you are one of the vast majority of americans with employers. this exchange is a huge deal and it needs to be set right. buts one part and only one part of the wrong approach. >> john meachham, if you were
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teaching this as a case study right now and a student said to you the following, it's between at least in modern public policy in america, it's been easier to create than to reform. >> that is whether social security or medicare, creating a benefit, the gi bill, is an easier enterprise tan reforming a patchwork of private and public institutions, that said, if that's a valid statement what is the analogy? what can we lock back at and say, you know what, this is the last time we undertook something of this scale. this is mou it worked. this is what he should learn from it. >> first, i'd say to them, it's not just the public sector. you know the whom point of the theory of disruptive enno vacation is that it wasn't kodak that came up with the digital camera. it wasn't ibm that came up with the first pcs. it's virtually always easier to
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create something than change something when trenched interests. second thing i'd say is wove had two relevant experiences. we've had the massachusetts program on which this was built which enrolled 123 people in its first month, about which all the same stuff, you know the employers will all drop, the ploy i don't see won't take it. the people will just pay the fine, it won't get to you. all of those things were said. every one of them by many of the same economists and massachusetts is basically working pretty well. we had an expansion to a prescription drug entitlement under president bush t. computers the donut. then it was a different argument. then it was republicans don't like new programs, so they don't make it work. that's why it's failing. it's a bit different as an argument. it was the same thing, growing pains.
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then it worked. i promise if you go back to when it was enstalled, you will find that there weren't any computers, but, you know, are they going to get the pastal system working? are they going to get the files created and keep track of people's payrolls? that doesn't mean this isn't jer e serious. but my bet is that this is not going to be a history books, 25 years from now t. fact that america joined the realm of every other industrialized country in having health ens for all its people is going to be in the history box 25 years from now. that doesn't make this any easier right now. but it is something that i think your viewers should remember. >> i appreciate that balance. larry summers, thank you very much. >> thank you so much. coming up, the estimated death toll dropped in the super typhoon, be you the struggle for the millions is just beginning. more on the survivors in the philipines next on "morning joe."
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. >> the death toll from the super tiemp in the philipines has been lowered significantly, the president saying up to 125 people were likely killed him earlier stills of 10,000 may have been influenced by emotional drama. there is still much happening
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there, desperation, really. bill kierans joins us with more. >> reporter: mika, the weather didn't help over the last 24 hours trying to get relief supplies no the hard hit areas, but the weather forecast finally looks better. the race is on to get these people water and food. a lot more lives will probably be taken because of the enhumane condition, without the fresh water, the sanitary problems that they're having there, especially in tacloban city. just the pictures from before and after really show the challenge on the ground. look at all the small houses that were located very close to the coastline. those were just gone, pushed over, barrelled over. some areas hard to recognize anymore. this goes up and down the coastloan there, north of where the eye made landfall. still it's a developing situation and a tragedy ongoing. today the forecast in the east, it is a cold day as advertised. there is no bad storms coming across the united states any time soon. it is very cold.
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when you see jackson victim, florida with a wind chill of 37. that's almost mid-winter type cold. very little rain or snow out there. a very cold day from texas to florida all the way up into the great lakes and the northeast t. god news is that it's really short lived. we will warm up ear in a hurry. areas like new york city will be in the 60s, areas like dallas could be 80 by the weekend. a little taste of winter. only a tease, not here to stay. >> up next the host of "hardball," chris matthews joins the table. we'll be right back.
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. >> people that would judge chris christie because he hugged barak obama, first of all, they're too obsessed with hating barak obama. secondly, i got to tell you, i didn't like bill clinton when i was in corporation i feel your pane, he's lying. you know when he's lying. when we had a hurricane come to my district, i hugged him. when you have a president come to your district, even the most conservative republicans will say, i'm glad he's here. we need his help. my kids ned to get back to school. so chris christie hugged barak obama, get over it. >> you were so good hosting "the view." i loved it. i was in the audience. >> chris matthews, let's talk about the president dealing with -- >> he has his great new book out "tip and the gipper.". >> a perfect companion to the
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white house. >> look, again, chris matthews books all over my living room. >> i still think chris knows this. i think his best book before this one was kennedy and nixon, a dual portrait. >> fabulous. you are talking about coming up on the 50th anniversary of the assassination. we were just talking about nixon, kennedy, what a relationship there, chris. >> the greatest story i have come up with is 1947, imagine when you were a freshman in congress and you got the opposite number. the other hot shot democrat. who was the guy like you? those days tchls it was nixon and kennedy. the guy frankly came from western pennsylvania to a place called bringing the two hot shots if your freshman class, bring me the best republican. he brings kennedy and nixon. the guys took the train out there. everybody is saying it. i did reporting on it. everybody said they were best buddies, they were eating hamburgers. taking the train home. they share the train, the train
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van van, nixon gets the bottom bunk. they don't go lou the tunnel. okay. so there's nixon on the bottom bunk, kennedy on the top bunk, all through the night back to washington, it left at mid-nit, they talk about the him doing thing called the cold war, how they agree on it. it's great stuff. imagine that in a movie. these two by tos. you won't believe it. >> it's unbelievable. they had such a good relationship. the smart guys. >> i got to ask you about you. >> i want to know, first of all, before you do that, let's talk about the president having to deal when coming from president clinton. how does he handle that? >> if i were many and i try to think of this from the outside perspective, the advertising was bad. you are tealing people, the government will stay out of your face t. government is not staying out of our face. you got to get into the exchange. he must be thinking, wait a minute. i remember the campaign of 2008. i remember rung against someone
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like hillary clinton. she was for the original mandate. i was against it. i was defending it against her husband. so i mean the ironies are so deep. back to the heritage foundation the idea of a republican alternative has not been in this game i keep waiting for some hot shot like lindsey graham who i like, okay, lend say, what was your plan? what do you want to bring? how are you going to get the 40 million people out of the emergency room? nobody feels like an objective meeting. whenever you look at a critic, you got to say, how would you pla i this game? you got to ask everybody else the question. >> you are right. >> i always talk about in 1994, there was a reason why. everybody talks about the contract with america. we didn't like bill clinton's bucket. guess what, we had john says i casic's bucket. guess what, we had two, three, different alternatives. >> by the way, casic would be over the housegy. you no ewhere it is, the guys
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going to the heart attack convention, that's what they call it. they would be over there in the locker room figuring out a way to do gold plate expense bucket. so things got done. >> they got done. i always said, you can't boat something with nothing. unfortunately, we got to do more than -- >> what's the marketplace solution? if you had to start from scratch? >> the first thing, you got to explain to conservatives and say we don't want federal government in health care, secondly, you need to explain. i don't think anybody has explained this. let's say we keep the same system we had before the affordable caring a. you are going to have 40 million people without health care insurance, then you have 40 million with health care insurance, millions of those will take their children to the emergency room at 11:00 at night because they have no other help and the idea, this is my point. my conservative brothers and
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sisters, anybody that believes that that's free health care believes there is something called the free lunch. no, what happens is the hospital absorbs those costs because they have to by law take them in through the emergency room then we all pay for that. >> sure, we do. >> we pay for that, chris, in the least efficient ways. >> there are a lot of different alternatives to health care, republicans what they have to do right now is they got to come around one plan. >> because that's -- >> the simple solution, everything is safe. 40 million uninsured. we agree with part of this industrialized world. let's start from scratch, one solution to make that happen? >> we can go back to health savings account. i think, i talk about this a lot. he says hates his catastrophic plan that upper americans have,
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where you try to prevent. it's insurance basically against absolutely devastating health care costs. then you pay for your health insurance costs out of pocket. i personally think if we had more of the free market attacks, where middle class americans could afford it and upper class americans can afford it actually did go to the doctor and we actually had more market forces, you wouldn't have people having one test after another test after another test going, where they don't feel the impact of that and don't don't feel the cost of it. >> i want to ask, since we have both of you a. question about in the aftermath of the '72 landslide, a vast victory for nixon. nixon decides, maybe this is a moment to switch up the parties. >> that, in fact, there is a path forward that which was not served by the parties, joe writes this in the book, that
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presumably nixon was thinking that a fiscally responsible, moderatesly hawkish, and socially tolerant party could attract enough swing voters an independents to join with traditional republicans to create an actual new majority. . >> there is a gallup poll that says the marine people no longer trust we are 150 years that two parties have endured here. why isn't there more of the coalitionships? >> we had candidates that haven't figured out the great opportunity that ronald reagan and other conservative populous
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shows. you have to shake-up the status quo that k street and wall street together have got two parties together that created a washington establishment that is radically disconnected from the rest of the american people. the president's approval rating is at a an all time low. it it stuns me that we had a bank bill out in 2008 and 2009. for these massive banks that behaved badly and recklessly, we bailed them out and not a single candidate in 2012 other than john huntsman briefly ran on the idea that we needed to break up the banks. it seems to me that's a main street conservative reaganesque approach to take. for the life of me i can't figure out why both parties are chained to wall street and k
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street. >> money. the place for the campaign. on my show, i don't like to talk about campaign money. most people don't give money to politicia politicians. they vote. they don't give anything to fund-raising. who does that? they don't like to be able to do it. clinton said the only people that like to contribute. the carly simons and those people, they buy the influence and call the president their friends. come on. you know what the politicians call me? the contributors. why is it so hard to make a deal these days? because we are so polarized you need 100% of your crap. you talk about building a party, who is fixing to give up. you depend on your corner politically, you have to have the labor unions and the pro gay
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kd crowd and be politically correct because if you lose one element, you are in trouble. you are not getting anybody else. >> you love movies and you love all the godfather movies. i wrote in washington, d.c. it really is like michael. you never get any credit for being loyal 90% of the time. if you are -- >> make a smart move. it would be smarter. >> if you were disloyal 10% of the time -- >> tell michael it's not personal. i always liked him. he knows that. >> get in the car. we will take you. >> exactly. >> they played the feud. whatever it is. they know this bible. >> it is a bible. >> you have never seen the godfather? >> the mattresses?
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>> it doesn't mean what you think it does. >> okay. thank you so much, chris matthews. >> chris. stop advertising the godfather or the books or the right path. it's a great companionable book. go to bed with it at night. speaking of mattresses. >> you can catch "hardball" on msnbc at 7:00. chris matthews. taking it old school. i'm doing letterman tonight too. you really? >> and the daily show. i heard he likes you. >> he is show sweet and i love his dog. >> don't cross the guy. >> still ahead, we have a conversation with mike tyson. another guy you don't want to cross. he has gone through extreme physical trains and nothing
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i watch the show. i haven't seen the show, but -- >> two months before the show, i said bush is bankrupting us and his foreign policy is bankru bankrupting us and we are going to lose and i was called a rhino for warning about big government republicanism. now i'm being attacked for writing things like this. we shouldn't drive the beer truck off the cliff. i'm saying the same thing. i'm still against big government republicanism. >> these past ten years have been because we didn't listen to you? >> exactly. >> good morning. it's wednesday, november 13th. you were very good. i wished changed your clothes this morning. >> whoa! you know what willie and i always say? if clothes are good enough to sleep in, they are good enough to wear on the air. >> look at you.
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>> hey, hey. that's my dinner from last night. >> it's your book roll out. what are you wearing? >> get the party started. with us on set, we have senior political reporter for politico, maggie haberman and then we have the very metro sexual chairman donny deutsch. >> can you check inside his jacket? no question it is. donny deutsch! it's his signature.
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>> i do that so i don't lose things. >> i guy who has been closed for two days in a row. bad stuff. >> you are quite a day hosting "the view." charlie rose, daily show, the right path. i love to talk about your book. seriously it's so good, everybody is talking about it. we could talk about it for three hours. >> bill clinton talked about it. he had advice for the president yesterday. that's always good. you get the president to do that. to me that was a real moment. that was rough. >> it's the truth, but it's rough. >> it's the truth, but yesterday there was a similarity between barack obama's health care which is his defining moment in his presidency and george bush's war in iraq. the american people feeling
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deceived and a failure. >> except is trying to help people. >> the american people feels that -- >> come on. they both were. >> former president bill clinton is wading into the health care debate said president obama should stick by the pledge that if you like your plan, you can keep it. >> i personally believe even if it takes a change in the law the president should honor the commitment made to those people. >> the press secretary agrees. >> as you saw the president say in an interview last week, the answer is yes, the president was looking at a range of options as he said to make sure that nobody is put in a position where their plans have been cancel and they can't afford a better plan even
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though they would like one. >> john boehner said i applaud president clinton for president obama to keep his promise to the american people. the entire health care law is a train wreck that needs to go. president clinton understood that governing in a divided washington requires focus on common ground and i hope president obama will follow the former president's lead. the number of americans seeing their plans canceled continues to rise. in west virginia more than 8,000 people received discontinuation noise and one provider said they would grant a two-month extension, but some have more than a million people losing their health insurance plans in that state. >> maggie, this really is a seminole moment in the debate. bill clinton, the guy does understand politics better than any democrat alive right now. it's hard to get around that
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promise. the promise -- you talked about iraq. that's something you can debate and yell about except for those men and women that were over there whose it really impacted. you are talk about health care. there millions and millions of people and seeing this broken promise. >> when you saw congressional democrats and republicans have to decide where they were going to go. you will see a lot of that in the coming months. the reason i'm not convinced that bill clinton was doing a calculus. we are saying everything he does is driven by motivation. sometimes he is freed up to talk about politics and his wife is secretary of state. he cares a lot about this is a problem, this law. this gave coverage to a lot of red state democrats who were having problematic races. there is no question the white house said there is not much
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difference between what the president said and what the former president said. the current president did not say he is going to change the law. it's impossible to get around the language that bill clinton used. they are feeling betrayed and they are not told the truth to pass a law and it is very hard to get around. if you are a democrat, what bill clinton did is great and if you are obama and to see the aca work. >> obama trying to keep the health care law valid. they are working to try to figure out how to do that. it's not like he is standing by the comment. he apologized for it. >> you go back to the history to george h.w. bush. you keep the pledge or the break the pledge. same thing with george w. bush. the president is either going to keep the pledge or not. this is not political, but it's
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reality for millions of americans. it's going to have an impact. the numbers are lower than they have ever been. >> it is almost certainly attached to the issue, but the problem persists. you have to fix the problem. you talk about a tipping point, you have bill clinton and dick durbin, these are the tea party guys. they are coming up publicly, the people who are big supporters and have to do something about the provision. this is not about a broken website anymore. this is about the substance of the law. it is hurting some percentage of americans. >> let me ask you this. this is the stuff that you do. the largest companies in the world. if you had used to do gm. true story.
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if they had a massive roll out, the most important roll out in gm history, it was an utter failure like this has been at the launch. just the launch. i'm not judging the substance of this fact that i'm giving you. and they couldn't get it fixed. unless they shut production down and we called the cars and went back and redesigned it from start to finish. it might delay the biggest launch in history for six months and yet a ceo that knew he had his job for at least another 3 1/2 years. wouldn't you tell them? guys, shut production down. start over. i know fort is going to kick your as. i know chrysler is going to knock you. toyota and all of your rivals are going to use this as an opportunity to make you look weak, but this is the strongest move you can make.
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>> yeah. i think he's in a quagmyre either way to tell you the truth. suppose a movie has an opening weekend and fails. it's hard to put that jeannie back in the bottle. we are asking people to modify their behavior. now we have this debacle out of the gate starring with 100,000 people signing up. it has been so tarnished that i don't know how you put the jeannie back in the bottle. even if he does that, do-over, time out. reboot. i think the perception right now is so damaged, i don't know if he ever -- grown it ever fully comes back. >> can i challenge you for a second? if it's a bust and heaven's gate, it's heaven's gate. you can't do a rerelease. in this case if the affordable
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care act is shut down for months and say we are going launch this in the middle of next summer and then they launch it and the website works and the call centers work and people can get insurance and like the pensacola friend that i have that had two kids with preexisting conditions that was able to wiz through it in about 15 or 30 minutes and signed up and got insurance for less and then tell all of their republican friends look what just happened to us. it's not quite like a movie, but if it works, then it works great. >> it's not quite like a movie, but i am concerned. in an ideal world, that's going to work. my instincts me that right now the american public is so soured on this that even with a reboot -- there is a term in our world. permission to believe.
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i am really, really concerned that i am not saying it's irreparable, but the coressence of it. >> you are hired to fix this. >> hopefully find another job first before i have to take this job. >> that are bad? >> i take the one. >> is it fixable? >> you have to unbreak the broken promise. that's the lightning rod. say you know what, this has to change. at least they have the perception that you are listening and you fix it. that's the one thing i address. >> you agree with bill clinton that he's got to keep the promise? >> let's not act like bill clinton came up with this idea. the white house already did. >> that almost defeats the purpose of legislation and they go back to where they were.
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>> talk about that. we are all talking about gee, he needs to keep the promise. what's the impact if he takes the promise? >> it's going to impact the latest pool of in terms of exchanges and the way they work, it's going to have the effect on it which is why the white house said they are not in favor of a big legislative fix. >> president obama's approval ratings touched a new low and the majority of americans said he is not paying attention to what his administration is doing. american voters disapprove of the president to 39. his lowest score ever. that's identical to how president bush was doing around this time in his second term. they have sunks especially with women, and older americans.
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most think he is not honest and trustwort trustworthy. still it's good for the president that he is not in congress. the legislature's approval. >> i'm sorry. >> they should allow hookers at this point. >> can we go to tj for a second? >> he is 9%. >> 9%? in the graphics department, that is good. did you see how big that 9% was? tj did something right. 9%. >> what is the deal there? who are those people? that's a low score. >> coincidentally coming off george w. bush's administration, is hillary clinton business as
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usual or does she help the chris christies of the world? people are going to want a hard right turn. this is not her mess, but it's more of the same. she is part of the establishment. does this in any way, shape, or form have a negative impact on hillary? >> i think it hurts all democrats right now in a terrible way. he has bush level approval ratings after katrina in a 2005 poll. that was skfrl months after katrina came ashore. i think this damages all democrats. >> people want that. >> you said americans would take a hard right turn. i think what you are going to look at is first of all increased skepticism on big
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government solutions. that's going to help republicans. i don't think necessarily they are going to take a hard right turn and want to elect michele bachmann. a cry for competence here. this is our second president who has not seemed up to the task of being president approval ratings in the 30s and a disastrous second term. i want to take one thing you say. it's your business and i can tell you what i would do in a situation like this. obviously i'm not -- i don't have the same concerns and responsibilities by any stretch when i was in congress as somebody who is president of the united states. this is a leadership issue whether you are running a baptist church or a football team or a country. if something is this badly
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screwed up, you go in and call everybody around and say we need to stop the plebleeding of the t two weeks or shut this down. my approval ratings are in the 20s. i almost swore. >> a staff member told me that. that's bs. this is the bleeding. we are bleeding out politically. if you are the president, you say we are not going to be able to pass immigration or education reform or do anything. >> who's to say he hasn't done that? you are seeing the white house doing that. we have a deadline that is soon. if they can't make that deadline. >> i'm not talking about the website. it's so inconsequential. here's the deal. you either keep your promise or you break your promise. what you have to do is clear out everything else.
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he's got to zone out. he has to get rid of the noise. look straight at the signal. listen from the signal. the signal is this. are you going to be seen as a leader who keeps his promise or breaks his promise. >> it's different than shutting it down. >> if you choose to keep your promise then you live to fight another day. it's devastating for them. this is going to require them. we have to rethink this for the start up. guess what. that may require us to bring people in that we loathe and that loathe us and we need to sit down and figure out how we move this plan forward. i don't think there is any other alternative. we are going to be here months from now talking about a guy with approval ratings in the high 20s. >> i think that's the problem and he's right and we are going to be sitting here and talking
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about a guy who is saying other priorities will take precedent like immigration reform. he won't be able to get them through because republicans think they can stop it at any point. >> coming up, two top airlines are moving closer to a deal. what about the passenger? >> let me ask you something. >> this is when we go to the break. >> i'm flying on the planes and i'm texting the kids. >> you are not supposed to. >> you are supposed to now. they say hey, we understand a new law has been passed. you have to turn them up. really? i don't get it. the law is the law, right? s have you had this happen? >> not yet. >> either it's the law of the land or it isn't.
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i'm not going to let the corporate types trample on my constitutional rights. >> one world trade edges out chicago as the top in the u.s. rahm emmanuel has something to say about that, but first we go to bill. >> in chicago or new york city, for that matter all the way down to the south. this was a serious arctic blast through central florida. this temperature compares to temperature right now to how warm or cold it was yesterday. we are 19 degrees colder. they are significantly cooler and warmer air returning to the northern plains. this is a shot of cold air. we are down to the wind chills of 35 in jacksonville, florida. you get the picture. today is the peak of the cold. we will warm it up and a lot of
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sunshine with little in the way of rain and snow. no airport problems. for any of your driving needs. for the days ahead, we will warm it up in areas like atlanta. we will be in the 60s and 70s by the upcoming weekend. the beautiful sunrise on this crispy cold morning. (car starting) great. this is the last thing i need. seriously? the last thing you need is some guy giving you a new catalytic converter when all you got is a loose gas cap. what? it is that simple sometimes. thanks. now let's take this puppy over to midas and get you some of the good 'ol midas touch. hey you know what? i'll drive! and i have no feet... i really didn't think this through. trust the midas touch. for brakes, tires, oil, everything.
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>> time to take a look at the
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morning papers from our parade of papers to the l.a. times. they gave american airlines and us airways support to allow the carriers to merge, making it the world's biggest airline as part of the agreement. the airline his to give up dozens of gates at major airports including new york, los angeles, and washington, d.c. this move will allow low cost airlines to take over gates to ensure they do not increase airfare. >> from the "new york times," the freedom tower at 1 world trade center here in new york city now officially the tallest building the united states. there was controversy over whether the 108 foot tower is an antenna which would not count towards the height. they designed it's part of the design bringing the official to 1776 feet. this bring it is the title away
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from the sears tower that is 1,451 feet. >> rahm was not happy. >> no, he wasn't. >> it looks like an antenna and acts like an antenna and it is an antenna. that's number and think that the willis tower, you view this unprecedented in the capacity the captions are something you can't do from ann 10 a. >> can you imagine growing up in that house? it's wrong. probably drove their mother absolutely insane. they would not stop arguing.
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ever. >> cholesterol make double the number of americans eligible for the treatment. stat ins are often prescribed to treat heart attacks and will also be used to prevent strokes and other studies that show this works on a lot of other long-term things. >> i do have that, but you can adjust your cholesterol with diet. >> i don't believe that. >> flaxseed, flaxseed oil and fish. it brings your cholesterol down. i tried to get you to eat them. >> it sticks to me teeth. >> from the san francisco conicle, a professor of psychology in london said e cigarettes have the potential to save millions of lives. >> i agree. >> limited studies show nicotine vaporizers have fewer negative effects than regular cigarettes.
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some say using them to quit smoke category have a powerful impact. that's exciting news. >> that's what we talked about. >> people need help. >> you don't get the tar. >> right. they need to get help with their addiction. "usa today," a 1969 painting by the artist francis bacon sold for more than $142 million, shattering the record for more most expensive piece of auctioned art. it sold after six minutes of bidding at the auction house in new york. my goodness. it's a painting of the artist. the previous record was held by edward monk, the screen which i have a copy of in my house sold for $120 million in 20 twechlt. >> you shelled out $120 million.
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>> dia piece on that on sunday morning. >> how are you going to afford that? >> i got a poster board of it. everyone sees something different in it. >> i love art. >> tampa bay time, the idea of needing your beauty sleep may be true. they surveyed photos of me and said he's ugly. they looked at people who were awake for more than 31 hours and their eyes were bloodshot. this proves that those who are sleep deprived are perceived as less attractive and less healthy than those who were less healthy. i haven't slept in weeks. >> you prove that every morning about 6:00. the eyes and the whole thing. not we are going do plit col. we don't need him. we don't need him because he is too big for us. >> not too big.
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>> you are big, but not too big for us. let's talk about rand paul. he was down at the citadel in charleston yesterday. talking to members of the military. here's what he said. >> for our country's sake, certainly for our soldiers's sake and the sake of every veteran who donned a uniform and fought for his or her country, america's mission should always be to keep the peace. not police the world. in america they did not seek to become involved in every conflict around the world and could do things that made us safer. they were right to observe that little wars can lead to big wars. reagan was right that america's purpose is to promote peace through strength. >> some people see that and you are talking about rand paul and isolationism. i'm not sure that's what rand paul would call it. that's the line he walks. >> that's the problem he is
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trying to look like he is going to the citadel. he is not avoiding it. this is a big theme. he is going to places where he may not be welcome and saying i am keeping my message consistent. you will hear a lot of that, but he has to not seem like his dad and seem like he is saying no wars, no time, no intervention or anything. he established that. the other they think is important about that speech and that 33 footnotes and he had a bit of a speech problem lately. that's part of what he was communicating. >> isn't there an appetite than what was seen in this country for what he was talking about. he's not a tour isolationist. >> she not necessarily where the republican base is, but where public sentiment is more broadly. he actually has a bigger chance in iowa and gnaw hampshire because people would like to
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pull america back as opposed to being engaged overseas. >> interesting speech. we to check that out. >> here gives a good speech. >> no and mika will be there to talk about the right path. we have a couple of events. politics and prose and politico cocktails with mike allen and jim. that's at 6:00. busy day for joe and mika. go to the website mojo@msnbc.com for more details. how great this. iron mike tyson is here with us. the undefeated heavy weight champion of the world searching for his truth in a tell all book. he joins us next.
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i don't know much about my mother. i remember she was always angry and fighting. she had dreeps of becoming a school teacher and then she met my father or the man i was told was my father who always credited for changing my mother's life. she was caught up in the street life and she was not that good. she drank to cover up the pain.
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i suppose my addiction started here with her. i was born with that addictive gene and it's hard for me this day. it robbed me of my brightest day. this is the only picture of have of my mother. it was a good one. she must have been happy that day. >> that was terrible. >> the new spike lee film, undisputed truth, the film starring legendary boxing champ mike tyson and he is the author of a new book by the same name. >> great to meet you. >> congratulations, man. who a long strange trip it's been for those of us who grew up with you and man, just total domination and then a dark period and now the other side. a lot of great things coming your way. >> thank you. >> how did you get here? >> i don't know. >> how did you get through the pain to get here where you are
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back on your feet again? >> when i 23i6r9 started to do this book probably two years ago, he brought up a few subjects and evoked some nasty feelings and i said the hell with you. i don't want to do this no more. since then i got married and everybody said you need to do this. you need montee of course. i did this stuff and i opened it up and this is what came out of it. >> it's one thing to be a fighter and 1 to expose your pain. what's hast harder? >> from being iron mike tyson, i masked all my pain. i don't know knew who i was and where it came from. i had to be emotionally naked with my right and it's really nasty stuff emotionally. i don't have psychological pain when i start talking about that stuff.
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>> but you talk about your mom. that shot of you from the spike lee film talking about your mom and the only picture you have of your mom. you look like an actor and like you have been doing this your whole life. >> i have been. i was fighting. that was somebody else. that's pervasive and that's why i was able to do that. >> looking back, it's obvious. nobody ever beat you. you beat yourself. you got to a point where -- come on. totally focused and buster douglas is not going to lay a glove on you. we should look back through history. versus ali, who would you love to fight at their prime or your prime? >> none of these guys. i got the inspiration to be a fighter when i looked up to them. i didn't see ali and those guys.
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i would never want to hit them. they were my inspiration. i never even had a pair of boxing gloves on. they introduced me to them. i never thought about being a boxer. it kind of chose me. >> we have this past summer and is talking about some of your challenges. >> i want to live a different life. i want to live a sober life. i'm a krishs alcoholic. wow. i have been-this is interesting stuff. i haven't drank or took drugs in six days. for me that's a miracle. i have been lying to everybody else who thought i was sober. i'm not. this is my 6th day. i'm never going to use again. >> when i took those, i didn't
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have to tell anybody that. that was me wanting to destroy myself and hoping my sponsors pull out and something drastic happens and you won't have to deal with responsibilities and all that stuff. that's who i am sometimes in my life. not only the guy i am now. >> everybody likes talking about the other mike tyson. the pain and the struggles. let's talk about some of the highlights. the youngest guy ever to win heavy weight championships. you knocked out somebody faster than anybody else. eight seconds. what i loved about you watching anybody get into the ring, no frills. it's black shoes. black shorts and let's fight. what for you was the highlight in your boxing career? >> i don't know. maybe becoming the youngest champ. that's something i planned to do
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since i was about 12 or 13. that was the highlight of my life. >> what did he see in you that others may not have? >> i don't have the slightest idea. that's the only question is how did he know? how did you know? i don't know. >> i know what his best highlight was. a hangover. >> that's good. >> no because i walked out of that movie. if i had known mike tyson in it, i would have stayed around. >> it's great to have you. let's see how good of an actor he is right now. >> i'll pretend to lose. >> go! partake her down!
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>> he's really fighting. >> he's a champion. >> hey, listen. it's great to see you here. we want to see you in five years. >> god willing. that would be awesome. >> make it happen. >> one day at a time. i know. i had a lot of friends in music and other areas that struggled. i will tell you going 90 days sober, that's an extraordinary achievement. that's an extraordinary achievement and congratulations on that more than the book. >> that way the hbo film undisputed truth debuts saturday night at 8:00 p.m. the book undisputed truth is out now. go buy it. mike tyson. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." ♪ ♪
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talk to us today. >> it's time for business before the bell with michelle caruso cabrera. >> we will have a negative open at the start. nobody is sure why there was some talk. there was amazing auction results you talked about earlier on in the show. they can go for 142 million. sometimes that's the sign of the talk. that may be one reason why we are seeing weakness. we will be watching tesla. the shares got hit on rumors there might be a recall on recent fires with the s model. they are on cnbc late and said
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>> we are going to be in washington today. we have a pair of events with politics and prose. it's always a good one. that's at 4:00 and then we will have the politico playbook cocktails with mike allen and jim. that are are these things usually end up kind of ugly. >> no, no. >> let me tell you how much i love you. >> oh, god. tomorrow joe heads to the university of chicago institute of politics where he sits down with former white house senior david axelrod. check out the website. >> did you see who would be up there?
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