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>> don't ever call me that. >> if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." thanks for being with us. you have chuck todd and "the daily rundown" and his own race. thank you for your patience. >> take two votes and call me in the morning. president obama pitches a health care fix that is more of a suggestion as congress takes things into its own hands and the house gears up for a debate this hour over whether they can help people let them keep their plans. also this morning, our friday round up on the road to 1600 has clinton and christie across the country bases buzzing over other fan favorites. the deep dive from coast to coast and how it's hundreds of years of cultural roots that have shaped the gun debate today. we will explain. it's a fascinating study. good morning from washington. it's friday, november 15th,
2013. >> a week after going back on his promise that if you like your plan you can keep it, the fix won't actually fix anything. they asked the insurance companies to try to clean up the mess, allowing them to renew policies for a year even if they don't comply with the new law. >> insurers can extend current plans that would otherwise be canceled into friend 14 and they can choose to reenroll in the same kind of plan. >> the president will meet with health insurance ceos today and the view of all of this is it's just an attempt to shift the blame. if you lose your insurance, you blame the insurance company for choosing not to offer. this is the most the president could do under the law.
the white house aides acknowledged they don't have the power to mandate insurance companies to comply with the fix. the president acknowledged doing more will require congress's help to that end, there at least three bills floating around and two in the senate and in the house. the debate on the house bill is by fred upton. the bill is in a fix for the health care plan. it's an escape hatch to keep offering plans that would be considered substandard under the law and let people stay in the plans without fear of being penalized. >> only a masquerade and trojan horse coming in to undermine the affordable care act by expanding other actions contained there in. >> the only way to stop every cancellation letter is by full repeal of this law. however this bill will hopefully begin to ease some of the pain that working families are
feeling because of president obama's health care law. >> of course a lot of people say the bill would undermine the premises of the law. the thing to watch is how many democrats support the bill. if the vote happened this time yesterday, there may have been 100 democrats in support. we will find out if the president's attempt to ease the democratic party's nerves succeeded in keeping the number down to 20 to 30. >> i think members feel very good about what the president did. there were a number of expressions of support and so it was a totally different thing. >> one of the big differences between the president's plan and the bills in congress is that the president's plan leaves it up to insurance commissioners and the companies to decide whether to let them keep the noncompliant health plans. they don't have to renew the policies. at least eight states told the
companies they must meet the standards and the commissioners in washington and arkansas responded to the announcement by saying they would not permit the extensions. the period of the insurance industry's representatives here in washington said changing the rules after health plans had already met the requirements of the law could destabilize the market and result in higher premiums for consumers. as for the insurance companies, talk that congress may have to force them to go along with the president's proposal. >> the president's announcement was a great first step and we will probably need legislation to make it stick. however do not under estimate the power of a presidential directive. don't under estimate the willingness of insurance commissioners around this country, republican and democrat, to make this right for people. >> louisiana's mary landrieu is
one who will deal with the mess legislatively. mark udahl will extend for two years, the other plan will keep it in place indefinitely. she is one of the democrat that is the president tried to protect, taking responsibility when they go up for reelection. that was part of a remarkable press conference and how the president repeatedly fell. >> i understand why folks are frustrated. i would be too. ultimately i'm the president of the united states and they expect me to do something about it. that's on me. we fumbled the roll out on this health care. we and i did not have enough awareness about the problems in the website. again, that's on us. that's why we -- that's on me. ultimately i'm the head of this team. we did fumble the ball on it. we are going to make sure we get
it fixed. >> because that was a remarkable press conference. we are doing an expanded gaggle today. in the clinton white house, the white house correspondent for npr for a couple of months. michael steel say former chairman and political analyst. casey hunt covers capitol hill for us. good morning to all of you. since you have been in the room during crisis moments for presidents, i guess if you are the president this morning, you hoped yesterday was the low point of the presidency. >> yeah, sure. that would be great to know that you passed that. >> that felt like rock bottom yesterday. >> and the fact that they did that press conference and they weighed it into a complicated, dangerous policy area in order to pick a political problem was a sign that they recognized that this was going nowhere good. they were heading into a bad place very fast and they were in a bad place. we will see.
democrats are grateful and we saw that in comments from a lot of members yesterday that they thought this was a step in the right direction and they are hopeful that this could begin to make good on that promise that not only the president made, but others went on supporters of the affordable care act and said if you like your plan, you can keep it. >> it was clear and yesterday felt like it was totally motivated by democrats that ran for the hill that they could do something. >> yesterday was a big cya day. a lot of folks had been quietly saying to the white house this thing is building ugly momentum. people out in the country in our districts and in our states are getting more and more upset with this because they don't understand and they are taking you at your work. that pressure point, it was less about what the republicans were doing and had done and more about what the democrats themselves were doing to move
this white house to weight into a situation that was very complicated. i happen to think that they have not reached the low point yet. there more low points to come at the end of this month when you timeout this november 30th deadline. >> i agree with you. it doesn't work. then you are right. >> chuck, anyone who is in this area knows you have a six-month beta minimum to do these types of things and to work it out. you cannot roll this out and think it's going to miraculously correct itself because you want it to. you can't will this thing to work. you have to put the metal on the ground to get it done. >> harry reid made it clear yesterday that he was not going to bring the bills to the floor yet. how long can he keep that up and at what point to the senate democrats tell him to stop it? >> senator is in a difficult place.
if he does put something like this on the floor, like many of us are still demanding. i talked to democrats yesterday. >> they want to vote for something. >> they don't want to say trust the president, he can fix it. he can't implement it the way he wanted to. if he does put something on the floor, he opens it up to changes and challenges from republicans. he can't get a bill without 60 votes. that's the reality. it goes to the house. what are they going to do? they potentially are opening up a can of worms they won't be able to put back together if they try to implement a fix. >> what was remarkable to think, i assume you felt the same way i did. we watched this guy every day so closely and i want to play another piece of sound where he admitted he has a credibility problem and the self-reflective nature of this president is not something we see often. >> i think it's legitimate for them to expect me not to have to
win back credibility on the health care law in particular. and on a range of these issues in general. that's on me. >> that's something else. >> i don't think i have ever seen him be that contrite and intro expectative and humble. whether or not yesterday turns out to be the lowest point of his presidency, it is a key moment. the challenges he is facing go to two critical questions. credibility, can you believe him when he said something will happen, and competence. can he do things that work? this november 30th deadline is so important because it goes to the credibility question. you made a promise, if you like your plan you can keep it and that turned out not to be true. he reiterated that yesterday and it's a key credibility moment.
>> he threw himself in front of the arrows on politics. i want to play what he talked about. he was apologizing to democrats for the political burden he put on them. take a look at this. >> there is no doubt that our failure to roll out the aca smooth lly has put a burden on democrats. they stood up and supported this effort through thick and thin. i feel deeply responsible for making it harder for them rather than easier for them. >> i remember bill clinton said something like this a couple of years after the 94 elections
where he talked about the burdens that he realized he put on the fellow democrats. it's not often that presidents will say that. >> it's not, but clearly one of the senior aides on health care the day before he got the stuffing beat out of him. he said something i had not heard earlier in the week. they felt like we are moving through this. we are confident that the website will be fixed by then. they got a different message and that motivated them to have that conference and address the issues that as michael said, gathering momentum and not dissipating. two, to talk directly to the members who are now in the line of fire with them. >> i have to think that the challenge for machines is there some that are all excited and this is not as great.
the other part will say but for this, the party the voters don't want anything to do with it. what do do you if you are the republicans here? it's so easy. >> what we should have done from the very beginning. let the democrats own all of this. every pound of it. and while they are owning that, put on the table your own plan. your own way forward. you cannot exist in this vacuum where you beat up obama and the aca without saying to the american people in trashing this thing, we have something better to offer. >> a half million people don't have insurance. they have to figure out how to get that. >> take that those folks off. what do you give them? >> what we are seeing is the
consequence is the fact that president obama passed it with no republican votes. he has not a single person on the hill who is invested in it and will try to help him. >> that's a hugely important point. >> i heard this and he said typically you see approval like a see saw. that's if you have a rubber see saw. >> we are only a month removed from the end of the shut down. >> the republican numbers have not gone up. the president's numbers have gone down. >> the white house was so optimistic. they had a difficult summer. >> they kept their party united. >> that's why you let them own it.
are they broken and just harry reid is papering over with them? >> it's just that there is no good way out i think is the issue. if they had a way out, they would try to take it. it's hard to overestimate the frustration among the senate democrats who are trying to get reelected. >> they are not all up. >> but the majority is on the line and there is no off-ramp. you guys are coming back. >> unless it's something else that people have not noticed enough. that's to do with the staff shake-up. much more ahead here on "the daily rundown." it's not just clinton and christie. the biggest news of the week could be coming from jeb bush. ground zero for 2014. more than just the governor's race. first a look ahead at the politics planner. a busy day. as we told you, president meeting with health care ceos. see how that goes. you are watching "the daily
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they are running ads calling crist an opportunist and saying he can't be trusted. he told donors it's an opportunity to talk into a 100 million dollar meat grinder face first. if that's an opportunist, then i'm an opportunist. he plans to bring up the private seccor record that paid a $1.7 billion dollar fine. a bonanza for folks in the last campaign when he ducked questions invoking the fifth amend am. crist said guys like alka dpoen th al capone did that. bill nelson has not ruled out running. the governor's race is one of the 2014 fights putting the sunshine state in the spotlight.
whether that congressional distinct to fill bill young's term to provide the first clues. chairman of the florida republican party is here this week. it shouldn't be that much of a surprise and considering what he said about rick scott when he did not endorse him calling the money he was spending and people think that's weird and he has to explain why that's a legitimate way of funding. why do you think he is easily on board? >> both parties experience primaries and that primary is old news. i saw the clip when charlie talks about compassion. here's what compassion is. 365,000 jobs created under his watch. you talk about lacking compassion, they most needed him when they were bleeding jobs. >> one term as republican governor, republicans thought he was managing it well at the
time. so do you run this campaign against him saying when he was governor, we were okay with this? >> when we had the economic crisis that hit the country and hit nationally -- >> the building boom. >> that's when you most need leadership. charlie crist said our problems are too big to solve in florida. i need to go to washington, d.c. at that moment in time, we needed leadership. we is have no income tax. there was no reason they should have lot of 832,000 jobs in that period of time. charlie did nothing to mitigate that. he walked away from floridians. >> you have the challenge in the state party. it has been tough times for the republican brand nationally. you lot of a st. pete mayor's race. cities that have traditionally been strongholds and you lot of a special election that had not gone democratic in a while.
what's going? >> i think there is a unique election. the election you mentioned was a special election. that district and that race, the voter registration there in the swing district, we knew it was going to be a hard fought race. >> do you look at it and say should we look into it and say florida 13, a special election, anywhere where there is a swing district? >> i think florida 13 is unique. bill young is a statesman. whoever the nominee is will be in the mold of bill young. that district is very close registered republican and democrat. >> as close as you can get. >> they have to make the case for the mpa. alex thinks in that race -- >> these are the people not affiliated with republicans and democrats. >> the independents will make the decision in that election. alex won that congressional district. she is a flawed candidate.
when she was cfo in the state of florida, the pension fund lot of $27 billion. she doesn't even live in the district. when she ran for governor, she cheated in the debate against rick scott. >> i remember this back and forth having to do with an iphone. you are talking about reminding people because they claim it was just a e-mail. >> both sides agreed at their request they would not be allowed any notes. during a break, someone brought her a phone. the moderator debate confirmed it. there were notes on the phone. >> you are saying this is going to be an issue? >> just pointing out that the voters of that district need to know that. >> let me ask you rick scott broke with the national republican party saying he wanted to take medicaid money and it divided the party taking the national medicaid money. is this going to make it harder to unite the party and making it awkward for the state senate
racings or is the party going to unite behind scott's position. >> we are united on the big things. >> even if there is a disagreement. >> the big thing we are united on. what matters to their lives every day. that's job creation and education and the governor has a half billion dollar tax cut. they are going to see what tax cuts would be benefiting them. >> very quickly the republican party, how much is it impacted by the national brand. >> our brand is the rick scott brand. the jobs are create and $3.5 billion paid off. the exact opposite of what's going on. >> do you believe that the republican party is not by what's going on in washington? >> absolutely. >> thanks for coming in. we will be watching. it's the monster races. most expensive in the country. thank you, sir. >> much more on that special election on our website today.
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>> 27 is the number of times janet yellin voted to raise interest rates. bob corker made a point of reminding her during pardon me through the senate banking committee. yellin first joined the board of governors. she needs at least five republican votes to secure her nomination. our last number of the week is two. as in two months from today is the deadline to revert another government shut down. back in october the government signed the agreement to sign through january 15th, 2014. a reminder to our friends in washington that the clock is still ticking on how to deal with the 2014 budget and
sequester part two. the historic divide, believe it or not the fights on capitol hill can be traced back to long before the country was founded itself. we will explain next in the deep dive. plus, just when we thought it couldn't get more scandalous and weird in canada, it did. we can hear from mayor ford any minute now. if he says something crazy, we will bring it to you. i shouldn't use the word if he says something crazy. we'll be right back.
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and ethnic histories of americans in various parts of the country and explored how they have come to define the regions they lived in today. in order to map the cultures, he split into 11 separate nations each with its own values and perspectives. what he found was that the prevailing attitudes were framed by the people wo settled there. not the ones who lived there now. they were shaped by those who set foot on north america. take the issues of guns and violence. the states with the highest rate of deadly assaults are in the deep south. the greater appalachia and west. in the seven states dominated by the deep south, 12 of the 14 voted against the background check in april. to figure out why, he looked at the culture of these regions. not for the lends of modern day
politics. take appalachia over here. these were founded by war ravaged areas of northern england and the scottish lowlands. areas well versed in violence whose people are committed to individual liberty. people in the far west were tied to eastern powers and supported their settle wants and fight against outside intervention. they had the fight over slavery and creating an ongoing battle against federal powers. by contrast, theest states in the country were in yankeedom or the quaker-founded midlands. the rate of assault deaths there is less than two per 100,000. in the six states tucked in the north eastern corner of yankeedom, 11 of the 12 voted in favor of the background check bill. again, it's more about the people who settled these regions than the people who live there now.
we look at yankeedom founded by radicals in the 1600s. people who put an emphasis on social engineering as a way to improve society. they were more comfortable with a collective and government regulation. you have the midlands right here in the area below. the midwest founded by english quakers. government is less welcome, but they believe society should be organized around a middle class. joining me now is the man who put all of this together. he is state and national affairs writer and the sunday telegram and the author of this book, american nations, a history of the 11 rival cultures of north america. colin, just a great way and a reminder to look at this and i go back to what they wrote about the history of the scotch irish
in america. he was making the same case. born fighting. >> absolutely. >> making the case about guns in particular and the gun culture and as he tried to translate it into the modern democratic party. >> absolutely. a number of people have looked at different aspects of regionalism and this is the first effort to bring it all into unified framework to understand it on a continental scale. >> what's odd is the fact that this is all 400 years in the making and despite the fact that let's look at the south. there has been so many people. >> this is the dominant regional cultures and there is not one american culture, but several americas. in short, when people moved in,
their children and grandchildren and great grandchildren are not assimilating to an american culture, but a regional culture. the e thos persists overtime. as people move around, it has been discovered that bill bishop's book looked at this and people ever choosing where they move based on place where is they feel comfortable. as they are doing that, they tend to sort themselves into the nations as well in ways that end up emphasizing rather than reducing the differences between the cultural spaces that i mapped out here. >> how do you govern this? if we are 11 nations, how do you end up governing in the modern era. we are talking about the health care law and that is coming from the south.
and this has been done on the backs of people from democrats from the midwest coast and yankeedom. >> that's a whole range of historical issues. that has been the trick of maintaining the federation and thriving throughout our history. we had terrible times in the past. the trick to overcoming this and some of the positions are irreconcilable. you never had the deep south on some of these issues and yankeedom sees eye to eye and finds compromise. what happened in our history and presumably will have to happen moving forward is one or the other in the current blocks, we can call them the red and the blue today will have to figure out a way to modify their message so as to build a larger coalition either by capturing one of the papers or winning over one of the swing nations. currently neither of the blocks,
there is a blue block between netherland and yankeedom against a red block that currently is the deep south, greater appalachia and the far west. neither have the real dominant power to control reliably the levers of federal power in washington which are now with the white house and a filibuster senate majority and house of representatives. neither have the numbers to do that and it's all about messaging to win a broader coalition. i think we remain for a long time in this state where it keeps switching from one to the other and we remain deadlocks with neither able to pull over the resistance of the other in washington. >> i feel like i think we know the swing area. if we look back at the last two generations, if we buy the idea that we know where red america is and blue america is here, the swing area then is actually the far west. if you look back in time when
the republicans were ascended in the 80s, it was because they were doing well out west. the colorados and the arizonas and nevadas. is it fair to say this is the swing nation of your 11 nations? >> historically over -- this is a work of history. over 400 years, the mid-lns has been the classic swing sdmagz it forms an important part of the swing states of ohio and missouri. what you say about the far west is true. it's the weak coalition partner right now. and the red coalition we can call it and in the past has not necessarily been part of that coalition and i think is the that is most open to join the blue coalation as it were if the messaging were different.
the republicans have a way also in the red coalition to perhaps remessage towards el noerty which is expanding rapidly and has since fallen off the agenda. >> i hope the best thing we have done for folks is to make them realize they need to read your book. european history is if you want to understand the american politics today. >> the history as well. >> absolutely. you were terrific. thank you for this and thank you for your book. a westerly way to look at the modern day divide through the lens of history. thanks very much. the fertile read 2016 round up is coming up. house democratic leader nancy pelosi, the former speaker will be guest this sunday on nbc's "meet the press." but first, the white house soup of the day is seafood gumbo. we'll be right back. avo: the volkswagen "sign then drive"
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if it's friday, that means it's time for my daily rundown roundup of all the 2016 moves. hillary clinton's this is not my official presidential campaign but you can give me an award anywhere tour continued last night. she picked up the american patriot award. i know you were wondering who was going to win that. that was given by the national defense university where she was introduced with a glowing video tribute. moments from now clinton will join secretary of state john kerry and former first lady laura bush at georgetown university to discuss continuing progress for women in afghanistan once u.s. troops leave the country. clinton also cautioned against strains of isolationism in american politics personified right now by somebody she could face off with in 2016, rand paul. >> i hear all this talk about how we need to withdraw from the world. i've heard even tonight some references to the really unfortunate consequences of sequester and budget cuts. we have to decide if we intend
to continue america's global leadership. >> on the republican side, wisconsin congressman paul ryan is just the latest potential 2016 wannabe to head to the hawkeye state. he'll headline the iowa governor's birthday bash tomorrow night. meanwhile the enthusiasm with which chris christie has basked in his 22-point victory has only been matched by rand paul's enthusiasm to deflate it. >> i think that his victory was in large form based on that he got a lot of federal money for his state. unlimited state spending you could call it moderate or liberal to think there's unlimited amount of money even for good causes. >> that was rand paul on a radio show yell. but don't miss this from the guy who may have the most to lose if christie is labeled the establishment front runner, that's former florida governor jeb bush who reminded everyone that he's still a potential player with a punchy critique of the primary process in an interview with our pal over at cnbc, becky quick.
let me wribring in the gaggle h. i've got to play this one bite from jeb bush when you're just sitting there going -- because i think he's leaning more heavily toward running than people realize. listen to this on immigration, michael steele. >> it's been the republican party that has been the obstacle to getting immigration reform through. >> yes. >> how do you push back on your party? >> you want me to -- well, i wrote a book about it. immigrants are by their nature have potential to be conservatives, and most of them are. but if you send signals on a regular basis that you're not wanted on our team, it's not a surprise that people then look at the other team. >> michael steele, you know, jeb bush wants to have -- he does say that the party needs to have this sort of argument. >> yeah. >> i think he wants this debate, not just on immigration but a debate with the tea party wing.
he seems to want this debate. is he better prepared for it than chris christie or not? >> i think he is. i think he's lived it in his state of florida. i think he's lived it by hi own personal family experience. i think he brings some legitimacy to the debate that the party needs to listen to. >> you know, it's interesting that the whole jeb -- so many people in washington, oh, he's not going to run. he's not going to run, he's not going to run. there's no way, last name bush. but if you're him and you ever wanted to be president, this is your last shot. and if your last name is a negative, isn't the best shot that you have running against somebody else who has a name from the past in hillary clinton. >> we'll see where the obama presidency ends but right now it looks like that might be a good opportunity for party change after eight years. jeb bush also brings the conservative, unlike chris christie who is -- there's some skepticism around that. there is not that skepticism around jeb bush. he speaks spanish, he can talk about immigration from the ballast of being a conservative. >> rand paul seems very
comfortable attacking chris christie every day if it's necessary. >> rand paul was not a senior figure until he did this high-profile long speech on the senate floor. he realizes that the way to get fund-raising attention, support is by making noise. if chris christie is being talked about as the front runner, then the way you get attention is by attacking chris christie. >> i think it's been very effective for paul in many ways and it's allowed him to separate himself from the rest of the tea party wing. >> one thing rand paul is focused on is conservative media and trying to build a profile there among the rush limbaughs of the world and that's a strategy we saw mitt romney try to employ with some varying degrees of success. but christie is sort of hated on that platform. so this is the kind of place where rand can go and actually get that message. >> they're playing the music, which means shameless plugs but i'm going to change it a little bit and just say if there's going to be a presidential west wing shakeup, do you believe there will be one and if so does it happen by the end of the
year? >> yes and yes. >> you think it is. and you think it's needed? >> i think that -- usually it happens at the end of the first term. you expand the circle, refresh the thinking. >> you have a lot of exhausted staffers, but i have not seen much inclination from president obama to give them a break. >> that's true, but there was only one staffer that accompanied him yesterday. i know it was an accident but it was only jay carney that was sitting there. >> i think he goes for the shakeup and he knows he needs to get it done before we get into the debate with the republicans next year on the economy. >> i think democrats are really pressuring him for some signs of accountability. >> they want to see change. >> yeah. >> that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." have a great weekend. we'll see you right back here on monday. coming up next, chris jansing. and our networks are getting crowded. but if congress, the fcc, and the administration free up... more licensed wireless spectrum, we can empower more... people to innovate, create new technologies and jobs...
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