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neighbors pakistan the high commission in london has since gone back to going underground to counter claims in our interviews pakistan itself is a victim of terrorism and suffered both in terms of losses to human life and its economy we have lost more than $70000.00 citizens including of a $6000.00 soldiers and economic losses to the chuen of $120000000000.00 us dollars august on also had its concern with regard to terrorism viz a viz india pakistan remains committed not to allow its territory against any country prime minister iran khan and his recent public messages to the indian leadership has called for dialogue and resolving all outstanding issues particularly kashmir dispute to bring peace and prosperity in south asia we remain committed to peace with all our neighbors and beyond and we hope to have pakistan's prime minister imran khan as well as narendra modi on the show soon but the strange want to humankind's most fundamental freedoms journalism currently arguably under attack in the u.k. joining me via skype from new york is lawyer and harvard law professor emeritus
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alan dershowitz on thanks for coming on the show what do you make of julian songe in the u.k. court tomorrow via video link on extradition charges to the united states for violating the espionage act i think ringback the united states government made a foolish tactical blunder by indicting him and the espionage act merely publishing material that was classified and stolen by busy others had they maintained their original indictment for helping to break into a password and helping to steal classified information i think the extradition would be open and shut and britain would under the tree extradite but now they raise the problem of whether this is a political prosecution whether it's prosecution that could not occur in great britain whether it's a prosecution that great britain in its discretion would prefer not to be part of so i think they made it harder to extradite by this. 2nd indictment which was
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utterly unnecessary they could have given him a one sentence if he had been convicted under the 1st indictment so why did they go forward with the 2nd one a foolish mistake or in fact part of a grand conspiracy involving a russian agent as your president and wiki leaks a russian organization a sondre russian agent himself and this was a deliberate attempt to make it impossible for britain to extradite julian assad to the united states because no country could ever extradite on the has been attacked they still could extradite under the what's called the principle of speciality they could extradite on the 1st indictment if the united states is prepared to give them a commitment that it will not try him on the espionage indictment with the united states be prepared to give that commitment perhaps as part of a negotiation but i don't in any way give any credit at all to the grand conspiracy theory why do you thing it took so long for and i understand we consider them babs
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fair weather friends the new york times the washington post c.n.n. m s n b c and others to suddenly understand that they had to defend judy in a songe at all costs certainly they don't want to defend and they don't want to be associated with this kind of journalism but the 1st amendment doesn't distinguish between mainstream media and wiki leaks certainly not in the day of social media today where many americans get their news not from the new york times the washington post or even c.n.n. but from social media and from twitter and from facebook and a range of other media so i think it's going to be hard to screen go to the united states to make kind of distinction that the justice department is trying to make in this indictment it's funny you say they don't want to be associated with his kind of journalism site hersh the pulitzer prize winner exposed the massacre has been on this show has already said that this a son jack tradition threatens the new york times was. post c.n.n. them as n.b.c.
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perhaps and all journalists use weiqi leaks now as a as a really important source is that why this indictment is so important to the to the u.s. security state the so-called military industrial complex will even if they didn't use wiki leaks as a source it would be very important because going after the mere publisher going after the person who did the actual publication as distinguished from the person who stole the material of who had a duty not to disclose it because they worked for the united states government going after the mere publisher opens up the possibility of going after the new york times the washington post or the pentagon papers case as you know the supreme court didn't say in that case that the washington post the new york times couldn't be prosecuted all they said is they couldn't be stopped from publishing it but after they publish it it was left open the possibility of going after them the government of the united states under the nixon administration chose not to do that but they
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had the option of trying and now years later the truck administration has taken up the supreme court and on that option and indicted somebody for mere publication if this case actually starts and britain extradite teaching this stuff a decades professor what you're really saying it reflects on the foundations of the united states itself on the history of this stuff political pamphlet is like james calendar and thomas paine yes i mean you know your history calendar was in many ways far worse than anybody publishing today he specialized in a made up law is he was paid for what he needed it his commitments he was a god awful journalist but he certainly was protected by the 1st amendment. the 1st amendment indeed was the design for people encounter although in the 1st years of our republic we violated the 1st amendment by passing the alien instead. issue next
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which permitted the prosecution of people like calendar and others it's notable though that the democrats have not been great defenders of judean a songe a surprise that they have been slow to it or maybe more motivated by the d.n.c. leaks i should just say we can't exist not like a calendar they've never got anything wrong in any publication to date. how do you characterize a democrat visa v. well that this is a dent in freedom the democrats believe in free speech for me but not for the as do the republicans most americans do they all defend free speech where helps them i think the democrats are very angry at a signs for his alleged role not yet proven that he tried to help trump become a president yeah i mean i should say size denies that he's potus out on these issues and just believes in freedom information but i'm going to tell you i mean the u.s. justice department national security division boss john dema is as a julian
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a songe is no journalist well he's wrong about that that's not surprising that that position would be taken by national security team but just wrong and the supreme court will hold that he's a journalist i have no doubt about that now course the supreme court may not get this case intil the personnel on the court is very different and president trump if he's elected to a 2nd term and gets a couple of appointments which he likely will get could shape the supreme court in a way that would make it more difficult for a songe to prevail so we can't predict what the supreme court will do 2 or 3 or 4 years from now there is a political aspect to this case arguably because there were a sex crime out a geisha is from sweden and a italian journalist if any of my ritzy suggested using a freedom of information requests of the british crown prosecution service kind of begged sweden to up. cold sex crime allegations this was when the current actually
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shattered records like we can't stop was the crown prosecution service do use anything you've seen and i know you used to advise jitteriness and anything to suggest as if there is politics at play and certainly between britain and the united states as regards an extradition hearing pens how you define politics broadly inerrantly i don't think there are partisan politics at play at play here at this point in time it may later on when it comes to supreme court appointments and how important this case is to the trump administration of course i can the partisan politics i was kind of referring to was the subordinate role played by the united kingdom to the united states in the sort of architecture of. world power perhaps and trump you know that great britain sees it that way. well here that when when trump is it's great britain now you you've been on so many of these t.v. stations that are now suddenly defending as sons do you think when you talk to the
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other commentators and pundits and all the rest trump is a sort of fair weather friend of assad's because of course he famously said we love wiki leaks and has since said he doesn't know anything about them what's his view we don't know for sure whether he had any role in this decision or whether it was made by lower ranking justice department officials i think generally an indictment like this has to be approved by the attorney general bar i don't think it would have to go up to the white house in fact it would not probably go to the white house so i don't know what president trumps you this is he has been a fair weather friend again free speech for me but not for the when a son has done things which are perceived as helping trump these as friends and if he turns against them will be his enemy that's what trump has done to virtually everybody over the years that attorney general barr of course who put these charges together ultimately. you have supported him and his summary of the report you you
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really don't believe that trump is some sort of kremlin stooge oh no absolutely not i think trump is his own person and i think he did a lot to try to get aleck didn't he would help he would accept help from anybody i think by the way the same thing is true of democrats or anybody else running you want to bet you want to win and if anybody office you're out you're going to take that that help but notice that you've noted the lack of exoneration on obstruction of justice is a visit to this country donald trump is coming to london and meeting the queen and of structure of justice i don't believe he is actually the president can obstruct justice by merely exercising his constitutional authority to fire somebody or pardon somebody that precedent was stablish when george h.w. bush fired caspar weinberger on the eve of his trial for the purposes of ending they are in controversy geishas and just finally when the world reports on this
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extradition hearing in a court and off in the studio tomorrow do you think the name joe mccarthy is a name that can be bandied around in europe with respect to the possible 175 year sentence facing june innocent no i don't think so i think mccarthyism is is quite different mccarthyism is going after people for their beliefs not for what they've done look there's there is it's a very complex case against a son to the 1st indictment is a lot legally firmer than the 2nd indictment but i think i would reserve the word mccarthyism for more serious violations of individual rights that are really uncontroversial but do you think it could be reserved then against a foreign visitor don't trump because big noise is being made by the senate intelligence committee and don't trump himself tweeting against them by the use of congressional committees against the executive with a tree. use of congressional committees does raise questions the specter of
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mccarthyism that that's what mccarthy did he used congressional committees to destroy the reputations of people to subpoena them to summon them for improper legislative purposes and i think one can make an argument that the democrats are doing that today that their legislative purposes are really create texts for partisan political goals that they see being served by using these this. professor alan dershowitz thank you thank you often a break will britain stop its illegal occupation of islands used for torture rendition and illegal bombing in the middle east we speak exclusively to the u.n. ambassador at the center of a resolution that leaves the u.k. internationally isolated though the ball coming up about to have going on the ground.
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after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do next up the ball different clubs on one hand it is logical to sit in the home fields where everything is familiar on the other i wanted a new challenge and a fresh perspective i'm used to surprising people and i saw one on t.v. . i'm going to talk about football not for you or else you can think i was going to go. by the way what is the punchline here. he will eat some suffered another humiliating black eye and bloody nose all across europe voters put the elites on notice the status quo is not working for the people the search for the right in the price of populism may be a game changer. now. it's. facebook
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and google started with a great idea and great ideals unfortunately it was also a very dark side. they are constructing a profile of you and that profile is real it's detailed and it never goes away turns out that google is manipulating your opinions from the very 1st character that you type into the search bar it will always be worth one dog food over another one comparative shopping service over another and one candidate over another they can suppress certain types of results diced on what they think you should be see if they have this kind of power then democracy is an illusion the free and fair election doesn't exist for the more we give them the sooner we're all.
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nobody could see coming that false confessions would be that in the spot the wish to pull will converge. at any interrogations out there what you'll see is threat promise threat promise threat lie a lie a lie the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind make the uncomfortable make them want to get out and don't take no for an answer and don't accept their denials she said therefore which. sat on the statement that i would be home by that time the next day there's a culture on accountability and police officers know that they can engage in misconduct that has nothing to do with all their crimes. welcome back in the past few days britain has been isolated to the un with 116 nations voting for a resolution against its continued occupation. of indian ocean islands one leased
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to the usa for alleged torture rendition and illegal warfare for more on the 6 month old to meet and to britain to return the chaebol silence to riches i'm joined now by skype from the un's headquarters in new york. permanent representative i'm richard to the u.n. thank you so much and best of coming on the show just remind us what the vote of the u.n. on the islands in the past few days actually mean. i think former issues it is a big success that we have been able to get that much support the evacuation on a matter of course that is linked to unfinished colonization and we believe that for the u.k. this has been quite a humiliation despite the tremendous amount of pressure. on many many countries so i think that this is certainly a wake up call that you should be to and just everyone very briefly how did britain
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come to have the silence obviously one of them now being leased to the united states as diego garcia airbase. well as you will record in 1965 they decided to excise the shock of silence from the church. in order to give it to the u.s. on lease for security purposes. this excision happened now it has been established unlawfully. reach that national law because the all the advisory opinion of the game makes it very clear that the shadows are formed and has always been an integral part of the territory of russia's so that the new small and it continues to be. on that is why you could have been asked that it should and its administration. rocket yes possible you see the
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britain's foreign office says how can the world court reach a decision alone the united nations without the consent of both nations immersions on the united kingdom. well the difference here is that this is not ensure this issue this is not a bilateral dispute. makes it. makes people believe ready this is purely a case of incomplete and unfinished because a lot they said that the court has rightly pointed out this is not this feud that would have arisen. if the u.k. had not breached international law. so it is because it has breached international law and by and has therefore not. given the opportunity for the people of militias do exercise its northward right to say to the nation that this has
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happened today so clearly this is not an issue where the court required consent from both sides to give an opinion so we said you're not. taken. so you agree with your lieberman vocal moderate northern for instance some this is a crime against humanity i mean just take we know from wiki leaks that. there was gordon brown here an official calling roberts of the foreign office so the population removal was needed to base united states warplanes and he said that the cable t.v. 15 may 20 or 9. that the their man fridays the presumably the only people there anyway. that's right well let me let me let me just clarify one thing that what my prime minister said that this statement when he referred to crimes against humanity he said that the events that took place at that time
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were action to crimes against humanity so we have locked actually said that it was a crime against humanity said that the crimes that were committed were very much close to what it would have be in meet the definition of crimes against humanity and what has crime forcible eviction of the entire population and i would indeed it would see in the article 7 of the statute of rome the i.c.c. it says clearly in article in paragraph one that for the purpose of this statute crimes against humanity means any of the following acts and one of such acts is the politician all forcible transfer of population and this is very sizing what happened and it's a very very very deplorable conditions so as it is
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a crime against humanity. it could certainly be argued if. one has to take this issue yes well you know you know what do you feel when the wiki leaks cable revealed that they were trying to create this idea of a marine reserve to ensure the u.s. based saying the u.k. environmental lobby is far more powerful than the to go see him advocate well you know you know the whole story there the ocean people have tried on several occasions to bring this matter to you kate courts but systematically the u.k. has found a way to prevent the resettlement of these people and i think the last thing that they did was the actual creation of the n.b.a. . in respect of wheelchairs you probably know mr roberts who was then the fallen roberts roberts he said he puts it very clearly that
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that the creation of the n.p.a. is going to put paid to the whole a deal the 2nd so the whole the whole n.p.a. has been created not necessarily for the purposes of preserving the environment but more to to prevent any resettlement on the border that make you and your colleagues and the people back in marriages feel when they saw them as the phrase goes maintaining the fiction the 165 statement well you know it's when when anybody is trying to create fiction your bound to keep some pain or. loopholes and these loopholes they have tried to fix them with more lies which in the end of course does not show ready any credibility whatsoever you see jeremy hunt the foreign office jeremy hunt is now trying to
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become prime minister of the tory party yeah he defacto says in a way that if they gave it back to. piracy organized crime these are the things that britain is using the goes over to protect the world from well what would be if we wouldn't agree with that we think that there are other bases there on the. similar activities but they don't necessarily have to be sold into of the case there are many of them that have been released by the us from from other countries and we don't see how and why more issues could not be part. and and provide the same kind of comfort that. it's providing i know you want to supportive of the anglo-american war on iraq where presumably if more riches have the jager silence militias would still have allowed the americans to have bombed iraq from diego
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garcia. well you you will recall that the 2003 invasion of iraq. which was not quite the way in which the u.n. it's ready meant to allow such operations to open. and the yes we did not. go resolution that would have supported us physician to go into iraq. had we had. the time and. we i don't know i can't i can't tell you what. it certainly would have raised. in case there had been in case we had known that there had been activities that were not in accordance with us because the allegations are clearly that britain has defacto allowed the united states not only to bomb other countries from the jaegers islands but to kidnap individuals in the so called rendition flights they don't
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torture people would have allowed people to be tortured on the jager simons as part of the terror their spies the fact that we not. have the ability to exercise its. sovereignty over the side which island. we have sent letters of protest both to the u.s. and to the u.k. in respect to that is that. britain says that all these 116 countries including your country the voted on something that's basically meaningless and also the britain needs to keep the jagers islands to keep people in britain people in britain safe from terrorists. well i would i would leave it to the 116 countries and their remaining 6 as well as those who voted in favor u.k. on this matter that is against our resolution to make their own opinion about the
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about the statement that was made by french and i think that it is really showing that u.k. is still in the same mindset as it was the night is 65 when the. excise the island ships you can you are aware where what mine said like when they called them tarzan's a man fridays in the rectory exactly this is this is that might say that my proudest and his statement actually pointed this out that if we are back in 96 i when these islands were removed from the territorial issues that time they did that as if a doc will meet. with the un whereas this time they are challenging the authority of the un they're challenging they were going to court to continue with their position that is completely completely untenable in front of international law
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a massive thank you and that's it for the show will be back on saturday 39 years to the day nelson mandela was militants bombed free petrol stations in the fight against british backed south african apartheid a deal that he would not try social media see on top then. in or wow the state could stand the surveillance down in. our present day for a while 19 eighty-four just a big nightmare we put in the cameras we install the cameras on the nest cameras in our doors in our mental cases and spying. vices in our hands and in our homes with alexy and other of these mass surveillance technologies that's the difference between orwell and today it is the worst nightmares would never think that we will imprison ourselves.
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