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all the support coming over delays going i'm going to 1st tomorrow marks the 70th anniversary of the people's republic of china an event covered in nato nations not so much for the lifting of $850000000.00 out of poverty as the triumph of a brutal state that today abuses human rights in on kong the chief villain appears to be hong kong chief executive kerry lamb joining me now from the new people's party at what is an ongoing is one of our cabinet ministers regina thanks so much for coming on the show before we get to what's going on in on kong how is it how is the special administrative region going to be celebrating 70 years of china that will be flecked waiting ceremonies and celebrations as usual and the hong kong government will be sending a large delegation to beijing to attend the parade and various celebrations in the capital but no no fireworks because some people think that having no fireworks in on kong is a capitulation to the enemies of ongoings really it's
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a great pity but i think there are strong security considerations considering that in the past 100 days there have been a lot of. outbreaks of violence attacks on in those than bystanders if you if you find somebody who would disagree with you you bash that person so in the of the potential for group fights and the breakdown of law and order i thing they get all 4 of these were rights to cancel and he defied works this year well as you know media here in britain is covering the protests we have pictures in this studio of the american flags and british flags being flown by the protesters media here says they are peaceful protesters and in fact british media sense thora g.'s are investigating c g n the chinese international channel for bias the western. coverage on the
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hong kong events have certainly been highly biased in our view and you know there have been a lot of description of the events in hong kong as police brutality whereas actually although the protests have taken place for over 100 days there have not really been serious injuries and no fatalities compare with the way western police hendo the los angeles riots in the 1970s occupy wall street in 2011 and the london riots in 2011 also in 5 days there were 5 deaths several 1000 arrested whereas in the whole call we have over 200 policemen injured maybe a similar number of members of public also injured but really no serious injuries and no fatalities yes but arguably in london when they were riots the authorities here doubled down on the greed of austerity where is you know on kong it seems to
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be one cave in after another do protest as you called off the legislation very legal unity with china back in 2012 you called of education curriculum changes because of protests why is it the hong kong authorities do everything the demonstrators appear to want them to do although some western media would like to portray our government as suppressor of the masses actually as you said our government has come pick children had several times to mass demonstrations because we are strong protect our rights and freedoms and we got jealously our reputation you know and there is a lot of external pressure on us if there are any accusations against us so the whole call police they're actually much more sinned against than sinning well presumably not going to be too late by giving on going to the back to the british.
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what does it make you feel when you see the british union jack being flown by the protest is and people wanting british rule well i think they should go to the pit consul a and ask them for protests passports for all those who flight because flights over want to exchange their british special no overseas possible for purchase of there's a passports they look at as solid a resounding no because the british have been amending then the nationality of immigration legislation in the past decades so as to the bar hong kong people so these people are very naive if they think they can't get help when protection from the pictish or the americans by flying their flags you probably remember when britain ruled on growing in a defacto dictatorship is that a failure of hong kong authorities as regards education that the young in hong kong some of the young and old gong don't remember the british defector dictatorship our
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young people i think they have been you know very set thick thumbs up our new school curriculum which has crowd that out the study of chinese history and chinese culture and a lot of them have been brainwashed into believing that only western values are the universal core values and they have forgotten the need for respect and tolerance for views which are different of their own that's why in the past 100 days or more they have been fights between different groups of citizens would is the class dimension to the protests because i understand that though 1300000 people are trapped in poverty in hong kong and we seldom hear about that of course in the western major nation mainstream media which is the relation between poverty demonstrators perhaps for china and demonstrators pro-west what i have doubts. so
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about the 1300000 figure of people living below poverty line but it is true that we have an acute land then housing crisis in hong kong you know about 200000 families had to live in very small abject subdivided queue because at their high red posts and i think a lot of the anger has 22 or 3 acute housing problems and also the widening wealth gap and it is a fact that government has not done anything to cure these problems in the past 22 years i think that is really what lies at the root of the anger do other members of the cabinet share say policy concerns over privatization in hong kong i know you are active as regards the link real estate. investment trust and the poor market trade is rents went up by so much but i have no problem with the free market
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economy but if you look at the hunk of stock markets tour high flyers the 2 stocks which have done well they are the link rates and the n.p.r. seat they have done better than our property developers because basically they enjoy one not police they enjoy more not police and captive markets handed over by them by our government. because of poor policies you did the in the u.s. congress there's a law currently being examined that may treat john gong like mainland china as regards donald trump's trade war what impact do you think that will have will it actually help the hong kong authorities authority over the people who will go well you're talking about the hong kong human rights and democracy act 2 or 19 which a plains to amend the 992 us hong kong policy acts which gives public all. different treatment for mainland china under u.s.
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law. this time to new york though they have tightened up the scrutiny they are requiring the secretary of states to make any osha to fit cation that there is no violation of human rights freedoms you know. that sort of thing in hong kong and it is more intimidating because it affects one's sanctions against persons identified by by the administration as undermining white said freedoms and this is sending a very negative signal was of our hong kong in fact call has a very good standing all of its war law so this all top allegations are really unfounded and the bill is intimidating and sending very negative signals about hong kong are you prepared to be assigned national unhappy are you prepared to be sanctioned person i'm not worried about censure i don't see
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any grounds for sentient being me but i'm not worried about censure you know what time on the happy about is when the u.s. congress how hearings recently the congressional executive commission on china as well as the senate foreign relations committee they chose to hear only form read because rather than here form a wider range of 0 pinions from hong kong so they have formed very negative bias picture of the states of freedoms and human rights in hong kong. i would do the your colleagues in beijing say about how the hong kong authorities have have handled these protests because usually move the long history of u.k. u.s. destabilization of jonah whether it be the drugging of its population and all sorts of attempts to destroy it want to be in china it's not be handled well has it or
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the common accusation of the west is china would intervene in hong kong would intervene and the heavy metal heavy handed way they would be a repeat of the solid can one events you know. they take has actually been exceedingly restrained in in their approach to walk the events in hong kong they are leaving it to us to resolve our own problems and i think we are resolved to use our own legislative and law enforcement resources to bring the current quizes to a close i think we will get this upon critics who are looking to beijing to intervene in the heavy hand that men are so that they can accuse spacing of breaking their promises in the sign up addiction declaration and in the basic law i don't think we were for into that chat but when it comes to bringing people out of poverty when it comes to growth rates why do you think china does so much better
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than the special administrative region of ongoing we used to be far more efficient and effective before $997.00 i think it's because our democratic development you know i'm not at mall think democratic development but the introduction of democratic popular elections thus mean that we have to allow a lot more time for the baits discussions and the filibustering in our legislature which prevents us from getting things done as effectively as before we saw you just saying that it's better under the british. well we were certainly more efficient under the british you know in before 997 although we did not have democracy until we did not have elections to the legislature until 9091 but we have walked lol so whole call was free even though we do not we did not have western style democratic elections and that system served us well you know where s.
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we have been going downhill since we changed our political system to a mall mall at the sario and them ok so will you be the next chief executive of hong kong replace him gary lam it's not i don't think so you know my policy is to help the chief executive to stop the violence and bring the current crisis to a close ship. 3 years and i will support the regime have thank you after the break as merkel backs trump in the persian gulf we speak to senior german dillinger m p 7 document about the tragic contradictions of european union foreign policy. but little swayed support mark for me how on divided cities all the more can we have about europe going underground.
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in 2040 you know bloody revolution to the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know we're here to put a premier list put video dream in the new bill is that i mean you split needle the former ukrainian president recalls the events of $24.00 g. and. those who took. it invested over $5000000000.00 to assist ukraine. in these and other people. were secure and prosperous and democratic. run for for a lot and then comes out of the cold war you are the sort of one among what i would .
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a fine after 90 they tell you not the high i myself and i mean. months in front of the how long and so on. for the sum total of the muslim youth a lot of the. fancy it is when we do board. welcome back today saudi arabia concludes this year's un general assembly in new
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york this after donald trump said he wants to send hundreds of his soldiers to protect the kingdom that beheads and crucifies another country not only hosting u.s. troops but the u.s.a.'s largest overseas base is germany which agrees with britain and the usa that iran was behind asymmetric attacks on saudi arabia the calls record breaking spikes in oil prices well we went to the use of about speak to a member of the bundestag dealing deputy chair of foreign policy in arms exports 7 doug dillon on the sites of where the berlin wall once stood i have to start with you. and in your capacity as the left group deputy chair foreign policy and arms exports and disarmament do you agree with people in the angular merkle c.v. you say there's a moral duty to be there in the straits of hormuz to protect shipping from iran and i think we're there's
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a moral duty to deescalate in the region at the persian persian gulf because at the moment is to ation as very explosive and we have to. we have to make more pressure that all the military ships will go out of the region why do you think britain was so quick to offer support to the united states and donald trump over iran while it's not a secret that great britain even in the past is very often very unconditionally on the side of the us. regarding war policies in the region and for middle east for example war against iraq and so we have a saying in germany as well that tony blair the former prime minister in great britain was the portal of george w.
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bush in us and it seems that johnson as the new poor all of us president donald trump do you think your views a shared obviously by dealing the group of the linker buddies but is it shared by other elements of. the political system here in germany well the majority of the people in germany is against the war against iran they are totally against it and they are in favor of deescalation and diplomacy rather than to. send troops or warships to the region we have to prevent and do everything to prevent a war against iran because we. assume that it will be worse than the war against iraq if it will start against iran see i think prime minister johnson would say he doesn't want a war either and here we are in berlin germany has the largest overseas
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united states army base in the world there are tens of thousands of american soldiers germany is germany in all approval well i never said it's not but we had a no decision of the parliament and the government regarding the war against iraq we didn't follow the us like a great britain did i think after the withdrawal of french troops of russian troops and the british troops in germany there is no logical reason why 37000 u.s. soldiers are on german soil can you understand why people in britain want to leave the european union if not only do they know the germany is filled with tens of thousands of soldiers from the united states the european union does
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things like recognize u.s. backed president in venezuela can delinquency why the people of britain want to leave this european union i mean of course there is criticize critics. about the european union the treaty of the european union the lisbon treaty and the policy it's very. unsocial it's a military state and it's near liberal policies but i think the decision on bret's it is a decision of the britain. people and i am really. preferring to stay back to advise or to say to british people what they should do or what they don't see jeremy corbin the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement half a 1000000 members in britain. he's the favorite to win the next to become the next
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prime minister the link has been wiped out in germany while the policy is delinquent or popular here but certainly the policies are shared with corbin many of them where the policy is doing better maybe in britain well i mean i would be very glad if we call them would be the next prime minister in great britain but we will all see when you see all the opinion polls in germany the positions of the party the link is very popular you know we are against military interventions brought against us nuclear war in germany we want that the us take them back for example we are against the unsocial policies of the medical government for example and so we do have a lot of common with the majority of the people in germany even for taxing the billionaires
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and the millionaires and but the problem is not only to have you know popular positions so we have to get voters at the elections and this is a different question. do you think the media is channeling in the media in germany is channeling opposition to the c.d.u. straight to the f d is that what's going on because it's the far right that is winning here while the far right is winning in some areas of the european union it's not just in germany you can see why the european parliament elections so that's not new and it's not only india really badly in sacks of the brandenburg yeah i agree i know when we do have we do have. reasons for that so we are still in discussions within the link
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about this and to have a strategy to form a strategy how should we get the voters back we lost and how we can get more votes is my point of view the left in the past especially in the past 10 years they did a lot of identity policy but not the policy for the majority of the people. class politics exactly. we have a lack of it we began by talking about iran german weapon parts are exported to saudi arabia of course trump says the iran situation is about the attack in saudi arabia iran denies it what they have no to that moment there is no proof that iran did attack the drone attack on the all fields in saudi arabia ok but there is proof that german weapons have been used on yemen as part of the saudi
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coalition. as someone who is the left disarmament. what is going on because britain has now been banned at least until an appeal goes through from exporting weapons to saudi arabia we do have a german stop arms exports to save the arabia but unfortunately not. the arms exports stop to saudi arabia with the common arms with a great britain and france for example they unified has all the tornadoes we have to stop them as well of course because the saudis they are still bomb being and making massacre us on the civil society are on yemen and i think it's a contradiction to the to the foreign policy of the german government always always is call. they say we have
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a foreign policy on the. on moral. values but i think it's it's not value to said weapons to saudi arabia and they use it against the society in yemen well we invite the side you're in a 1000000000 ambassador to london on the show to respond to that story in douglas thank you. while in berlin we also caught up with berlin based musician and artist mark foley have always supported suede played with david bowie's final lead guitarist gerry limited and i started by asking him about his new single divided cities well it's it's quite a simple song about bricks it berlin you know that's not all the case borders and i think beginning would be basically so keep it simple for myself together with the berlin bit cities everyone knows this was famously divided what's it like living here in moving from england it's it's
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a great place to be an artist because it's very very affordable compared to london or most capital cities do you think it is devoted to this new question i mean it's i guess everyone is divided in about 20 different ways these days so why is the brics a context in the i mean the song divided city is about divisions politically and divisions geographically the berlin wall and obviously how people are very kind of divided ideologically you know to one side of the other side berlin is obviously got used to the divided if he's history do you think it's because you're from outside you can still notice that context much more in a much more alive way than maybe someone who was born here just after the war came to poland ziva quite it's even really liberal of your opposite it goes from one extreme to the other poland which makes it quite inspiring because it's lived through well there is that other the rise of the far right yeah you know where you are. supported suede here in london very here in berlin and you're going to be
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boarding them again i believe so yeah every time they play berlin i've supported them in the over the last few tours so that's like 3 tours that they've played oh they've asked me to support the singer the singer brought under sun so it's very nice what do you like there were brother he's a really good yeah. yeah just a super nice guy and super inspiring guy as well and again quite international he also escaped from a small town so it was lots of parallels i think you know similar themes similar influences i guess mean stuff like bowie and all these kind of bands from that era kind of singing about being outsiders you know so i think that's the same thing growing up at school and getting bullied and stuff and then you kind of find your own identity by moving away and became ingin alien somewhere else you know so i think feel more at home here as an outsider in a strange way than i do in living in england you know even if it's not so great
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things about england microbes meals about over in england for example of of my quick meals here a disaster and no one believes in ghosts and believe or so that's a very nice way of wheels or better in britain so when you touring back in england i guess that depends on bricks it really so if you don't want me back then it's probably a good idea to like forget that idea about bricks. funny how they're speaking to us a ruptly studios in but in a single divided cities is out now that's if the show will be like on wednesday when you add to the day of the brutal assassination of the washington post jamal khashoggi allegedly by saudi agents assisted by israeli spy ware until then keep in touch by social media don't forget to subscribe to our you tube channel.
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well some new do but down across the world there's a trend right now germans food and was spot on we have sugar free protein ice cream the can on a screen that's lactose free and small bits that have fewer calories than an apple . it's the one pretty unusual since ice cream is usually seen as a high calorie products believe made at low calorie and tasty. by doing this not one of our advantages on the international market is our wide area of flavors for example in azerbaijan consumers chose the sweet and rich milky ice creams china has a tasteful economically monocoque map based on someone for sure preserving there's something for every country.
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that emerges that the u.s. intelligence community quietly dropped its rule that was still below its must possess 1st hand knowledge or it paving the way for the trump ukraine revelations which it triggered an impeachment inquiry. a national day of mourning in france as world leaders gather in the capital for the funeral of former french. as a dent jacques chirac who died aged 86 last week. and america's anti-defamation league recognizes the ok hand gesture as a hate symbol after its widespread adoption by white supremacists problems of being the symbol has been.

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