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really paint a complex picture of what we witnessed throughout the years we have approached the carlton cinema in toronto about its decision to council that screening of the film will be awaiting their response and bring it to you as soon as we get it it did that's all for this half hour of news thanks staying with r.t. i'll be back with more top of the hour. they're.
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both candelas ongoing the whole negative interest rates are the same as we were in the better in the bond market these things are happening or experiencing a breakdown of markets all over the world so what we have we dodge one bullet call the we work i.p.o. we're getting gunned down by natural bullets from financial bad guys shooting at us with impunity. time after time so we're going underground as saudi arabia takes the podium to conclude the u.n. general assembly just ahead of the one year anniversary of the killing of the
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washington post's jamal khashoggi a crime of which the u.n. once saudi arabia investigated coming up on the show as the united states senate debates a trade war with hong kong that could drag the global economy down amidst president trump's existing sanctions against china we speak to a member of ongoings executive council preparing for tomorrow's 70th anniversary celebration of the people's republic and on the day saudi arabia concludes the u.n. general assembly we have to the country with the largest number of u.s. troops in europe germany to hear its left dealing slow. many possible angular merkel plans to join donald trump's and boris johnson's soldiers against iran plus breaks at the berlin wall and microwave meals with suede supporting artist mob ferneyhough all the support of a day's going underground a festival remarks the 70th anniversary of the people's republic of china an event covered in nato nations not so much for the lifting of $850000000.00 out of poverty
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as the triumph of a brutal state that today abuses human rights in on kong the chief villain appears to be hong kong chief executive kerry lamb joining me now from the new people's party at what is an ongoing is one of our cabinet ministers regina thanks so much for coming on the show before we get to what's going on in on kong how is it how is the special administrative region going to be celebrating 70 years of china there will be flex ceremonies and celebrations as usual and the hong kong government will be sending a large delegation to beijing to attend the parade and various celebrations in the capital but no no fireworks because some people think that having no fireworks in on kong is a capitulation to the enemies of ongoings really it's a great pity but i think there are strong security considerations considering that in the past 100 days there have been a lot of. outbreaks of violence attacks on in those and
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bystanders if you if you find somebody who would disagree with you you bash that person so in the of the potential for fights and the breakdown of law and order i think the they all thought these were rights to ken so d.j. father works this year well as you know media here in britain is covering the protests we have pictures in this studio of the american flags and british flags being flown by the protesters media here. they are peaceful protesters in fact british media sense thora g.'s are investigating c.g.m. the chinese international channel for bias the western media coverage on the hong kong events have certainly been highly biased in our view you know there have been a lot of description of the events in hong kong as police brutality
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whereas actually although the poachers have taken place for over 100 days they have not really been serious injuries and no fatalities compare with the way western police hendo the los angeles riots in the 1970s occupy wall street in 2011 and the london riots in 2011 also in 5 days there were 5 deaths several 1000 arrested whereas in the whole call we have over 200 policemen injured maybe a similar number of members of public also injured but really no serious injuries and no fatalities yes but arguably in london when there were riots the authorities here doubled down and they greeted austerity whereas in on kong it seems to be one cave in after another to protest as you called off the legislation for legal unity with china back in 2012 you called of education curriculum changes because of
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protests why is it the hong kong authorities do everything the demonstrators appear to want them to do although some western media would like to portray our government as suppressor of the masses actually as you said our government has come pick chill late at several times to mass demonstrations because we are strong protect our rights and freedoms and we got jealously our reputation you know and there is a lot of external pressure on us if there are any. accusations against us so the whole call police they're actually much more sinned against than sinning well presumably not going to be delayed by giving on going to the back to the british were does it make you feel when you see the british the union jack being flown by the protest does and people wanting british rule well i think they should go to the pit consul a and ask them for peckish passports for all those who flight because flights over
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want to exchange the british special no overseas possible for british citizen passports they look at as solid a resounding no because the pritish have been amending then nationality and immigration legislation in the past decades so as to the power hong kong people so these people are very naive if they think they can't get help when protection from the pictish or the americans by flying their flags you probably remember when britain ruled on growing in a defacto dictatorship is it a failure of hong kong authorities as regards education that the young in hong kong some of the young you know growing don't remember the british defector dictatorship our young people i think they have been you know very set thick thumbs up our new school curriculum which has crowded out the study of chinese history and chinese culture and
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a lot of them have been brainwashed into believing that only western values are the universal core values and they have forgotten the need for respect and tolerance for views which are different of their own that's why in the past 100 days or more they had been fights between different groups of citizens would is the class dimension to the protests because i understand that though 1300000 people are trapped in poverty in hong kong and we seldom hear about. that of course in the western major nation mainstream media what is the relation between poverty demonstrators perhaps for china and demonstrators pro-west what i have doubts once so about the 1300000 figure of people living below poverty line but it is true that we have an acute land then housing crisis in hong kong you know
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about 200000 families had to live in a very small objects subdivided queue because at their high red posts and i think a lot of the anger has to do or theatre in problems and also the widening wealth gap and it is a fact that our government has not done anything to cure these problems in the past 22 years i think that is really what lies at the root of the anger do other members of the cabinet share say policy concerns over privatization in hong kong i know you are active as regards the link real estate. investment trust and the poor market trade is rents went up by so much but i have no problem with the free market economy but if you look at the hong kong stock markets tour high flyers the 2 stocks which have done well they are the link reads and the n.p.r.
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see they've done better than our property developers because basically they enjoy one not police they enjoy more not police and kept it markets handed over by them by our government. because of poor policies. you did the in the year u.s. congress there's a law currently being examined that gong like mainland china as regards donald trump's trade war what impact do you think that will have will it actually help the homegrown authorities or authority over the people you know go what you're talking about the hong kong human rights and democracy act to all 19 which a player needs to amend the 99000 to us hong kong policy acts which gives public all different treatment for mainland china under u.s. law this time to new york though they have tightened up the scrutiny they are requiring the secretary of states to make and your certificate that there is no
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violation of human rights freedom should all that sort of thing in hong kong and it is more intimidating because it affects one's sanctions against persons identified by by the administration as undermining white said freedoms and this is sending a very negative signal is about hong kong in fact holocaust has a very good standing of its war law so this all top allegations are really unfounded and the bill is intimidating and sending very negative signals of our hong kong are you prepared to be assigned national chicken unhappy are you prepared to be sanctioned person and not worry about censure. i don't see any ground for sentient being me but i'm not worried about sentient you know what time the unhappy about is when the u.s. congress house hearings recently the congressional executive commission on
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china as well as the senate foreign relations committee they chose to hear only form rhetoric coves rather than hear form a wider range szabo pinions from hong kong so they have formed very negative bias picture of the state of freedoms and human rights in hong kong. i would do the your colleagues in beijing say about how the hong kong authorities have have handled these protests because usually move the long history of u.k. u.s. destabilization of jonah whether it be the drugging of its population and all sorts of attempts to destroy it want to be in china it's not be the well has it or the common accusation of the west is china would intervene in hong kong would intervene in the heavy metal heavy handed way they would be a repeat of the solid can been events you know. they take has actually been
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exceedingly restrained in in their approach to walk the events in hong kong they are leaving it to us to resolve our own problems and i think we are resolved to use our own legislative and law enforcement resources to bring the current quizes to a close i think we won't disappoint critics who are looking to beijing to intervene in the heavy hand that men are so that they can accuse spacing of breaking their promises in the sign up addiction declaration and in the basic law i don't think we were for into that chat but when it comes to bringing people out of poverty when it comes to growth rates why do you think china does so much better than the special administrative region of ongoing we used to be far more efficient and effective before $997.00 i think it's because our democratic development you know i'm not at
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malls think democratic development but the introduction of democratic popular elections thus mean that we have to allow a lot more time for the bates discussions and the filibustering in our legislature which prevents us from getting things done as effectively as before we saw you just saying that it's better under the british. well we were socially more more efficient under the british you know in before 997 although we did not have democracy until we did not have elections through the legislature until 9091 but we have walked the law so whole call was free even though we do not we did not have western style democratic elections and that system served us well you know where s. we have been going downhill since we changed our political system to a more open mall at the sario and i'm ok so will you be the next chief executive
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of hong kong replace a guy who i am not i don't think so you know my policy is to help the chief executive to stop the violence and bring to a crisis to a close ship. for 3 years and i will read you have thank you of the break as merkel backs trump in the persian gulf we speak to senior german dillinger m p 7 document about the tragic contradictions of european union foreign policy. laden swades a board mark for me how on divided cities all the more can we have about doing going underground. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to us from the
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world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then. for you calls for trance and pietschmann to the saga known as pigs and political elites appears to be terrified of democracy and the people's will also should we lament to see the new liberal order. welcome back today saudi arabia concludes this year's u.n. general assembly in new york this after donald trump said he wants to send hundreds of his soldiers to protect the kingdom that beheads and crucifies another country not only hosting u.s. troops but the u.s. is largest overseas bases germany which agrees with britain and the usa that iran was behind asymmetric attacks on saudi arabia that cause record breaking spikes in oil prices well we went to the use of about just be drawn member of the bundestag
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dealing deputy chair of foreign policy in arms exports 7 doug dillon on the site of where the berlin wall once stood i have just start with iran and in your capacity as the left group deputy chair foreign policy and arms exports and disarmament do you agree with people in the angular merkel c.d.u. who say there's a moral duty to be there in the straits of hormuz to protect shipping from iran and i think we're there's a moral duty to deescalate in the region at the persian persian gulf because at the moment a stationer's very explosive and we have to. we have to make more pressure that all the military ships will go out of the region why do you think britain was so quick to offer support to the united states and donald trump over
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iran while it's not a secret that great britain even in the past is very often very unconditionally on the side of the us. regarding our policies in the region and for middle east for example. war against iraq and so we have a saying in germany as well that tony blair the former prime minister in great britain was the portal of george w. bush in us and it seems that johnson as the new pool of the us president donald trump do you think your views a shared obviously by dealing the group of the liquor buddies but is it shared by other elements of. the political system here in germany well the majority of the
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people in germany is against the war against iran they are totally against it and they are in favor of deescalation and diplomacy rather than to. send troops or warships to the region we have to prevent and do everything to prevent a war against iran because we. assume that it will be worse than the war against iraq if it will start against iran see i think prime minister johnson would say he doesn't want a war either and here we are in berlin germany has the largest overseas united states army base in the world there are tens of thousands of american soldiers germany is germany in all approval well i never said it's not but we had a no decision of the parliament and the government regarding the war against
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iraq we didn't follow the us like a great britain did i think after the withdrawal of french troops of russian troops and the british troops in germany there is no logical reason why 37000 u.s. soldiers are on german soil can you understand why people in britain want to leave the european union if. not only do they know the germany is filled with tens of thousands of soldiers from the united states the european union does things like recognize u.s. backed presidents in venezuela congealing to see why the people of britain want to leave this european union i mean of course there is criticize critics. about the european union the treaty of the european union the lisbon treaty and the
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policy it's very. unsocial it's a military state and it's near liberal policies but i think the decision on bret's it is a decision of the british people and i am really. preferring to stay back to advise or to say to british people what they should do or what they don't see jeremy corbin the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement half a 1000000 members in britain. he's the favorite to win the next to become the next prime minister dealing has been wiped out in germany while the policies of delinquent or popular here but certainly the policies are shared with corbin many of them where the policy is doing better maybe in britain well i mean i would be very glad if i recall them would be the next prime minister
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in great britain but we will all see when you see all the opinion polls in germany the positions of the party the link is very popular you know we are against military interventions brought against us nuclear war in germany we want that the us take them back for example we are against the unsold. policies of the malcolm government for example and so we do have a lot of common with the majority of the people in germany even for taxing the billionaires and the millionaires and but the problem is not only to have you know these popular positions so we have to get voted at the elections and this is a different question. do you think the media is channeling in the media in
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germany is channeling opposition to the c.d.u. straight to the f d is that what's going on because it's the far right that is winning here while the far right is winning in some areas of the european union it's not just in germany you can see why the european parliament elections so that's not new and it's not only india really badly sacks of the brandenburg yeah i agree i know when we do have we do have reasons for that so we are still in discussions within the link about this and to have a strategy to form a strategy how should we get the voters back we lost and how we can get more voters in my point of view the left in the past especially in the past 10 years they did a lot of identity policy but not the policy for the majority of the people. class
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politics exactly. we have a lack of that we began by talking about iran german weapon parts are exported to saudi arabia of course trump says the situation is about the attack in saudi arabia iran denies it. well they have no to that moment there is no proof that iran did attack the drone attack on the all fields in saudi arabia ok but there is proof that german weapons have been used on yemen as part of the saudi coalition. as someone who is the left disarmament deputy chair what is going on because britain has now been banned at least until an appeal goes through from exporting weapons to saudi arabia we do have a german stop arms exports to save the arabia but unfortunately not.
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the arms exports stop to saudi arabia with the common arms with a great britain and france for example they unified has all the tornadoes we have to stop them as well of course because the saudis they are still bomb being and making massacre us on the civil society are on yemen and i think it's a contradiction to the to the foreign policy the german government always always is calling they say we have a foreign policy on the. on moral. values but i think it's it's not of value to say weapons to saudi arabia and they use it against the society in yemen well we invite the side you're unable to london on the show to respond to that story in douglas thank you. while
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in berlin we also caught up with berlin based musician and artist mark foley have supported suede played with david bowie's final lead guitarist gerry limited and i started by asking him about his new single divided cities well it's it's quite a simple song about bricks it's. you know that's not all the k. . borders and everything beginning would be basically so keep it simple for myself together with the berlin bit cities everyone knows this was famously divided what's it like living here in moving from england it's it's a great place to be an artist because it's very very affordable compared to london or most capital cities do you think it is devoted to this new question i mean i guess everyone is divided in about 20 different ways these days so where is the bricks of context in the i mean the song divided cities is about divisions politically and divisions geographically berlin wall and obviously how people are
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very kind of. divided ideologically you know to one side of the other side berliners obviously got used to the divided if he's history do you think because you're from outside you can still notice that cohen takes much more in a much more alive way than maybe someone who was born here just after the war came to poland ziva quite it's even really liberal of your opposite it goes from one extreme to the other berlin which makes it quite inspiring because it's lived through well there is that other the rise of the far right yeah ok where you are supported swayed here in london very here in berlin and you're going to be boarding them again i believe so yeah every time they play berlin i've supported them over the last few tours the last like 3 tours that they played they've asked me to support the singer the singer brought under 7 so it's very nice what do you like there were bread and he's a really good yeah. yeah just a super nice guy and super inspiring guy as well and again quite international he
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also escaped from a small town so it was lots of parallels i think you know and similar themes similar influences i guess so i mean stuff like bowie and all these kind of bands from that era kind of sing about being outsiders you know so i think it's the same thing growing up at school and getting bullied and stuff and then you kind of find your own identity by moving away and became ingin alien somewhere else you know so i think feel more at home here as an outsider in a strange way than i do in living in england you know even if it's not so great things about england microbes meals about in england for example of about my quick meals here are a disaster and no one believes in ghosts and believe so that's a very much exact way of wheels or better in britain so when you touring back in england. i guess that depends on bricks it really so if you don't want me back then it's probably a good idea to like you know forget that idea about bricks. well you know this
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