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the ukrainian idea what's your take well 1st of all i don't think that anything may happen in ukraine without u.s. consent especially especially. because it all started early february when our intelligence well i don't know this. well the movement of as she loans with it it every day out there in the shelling intensified or even started and intensify so a bit. i don't think that. this concentration of forces is not a concentration by the way 4000 men in the one share is not the concentration but of course our our troops in the western and southern military districts then know demo in good shape they have been in good shape for the last. 67 years by the way last summer a lot some are. when it was previous administration even the
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same area trying to convince other member westminster districts there was also a period or a fight in a combat training exercises and the concentration was about 150000 people by the way nobody was to concerned about that then yeah more than more than 500 of them helicopters more than 20000 pieces of equipment in the nobody cared you know mr bush it wasn't different administrations baghdad with different views or both in russia and of ukraine speaking of which i have over the last couple of weeks president selenski out of ukraine and he's officials have stopped that guy calls for that mission into nato they have never talk of talking about that so much and i wonder if this conflict is still about don't cost and it's a place where it belongs or whether it's more about the rest of your brain and
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whether it belongs on that made us umbrella. i think you're right it's not on the. bus of course the bus is the most evident place where the the and the got to be real conflict may start but i. would. train here by the way trade me is more dangerous it's much more dangerous because it's not just the mother recognized the the eskimo guns group public it's russian federation so if there isn't trouble cation in-tray me and their response will be much more severe both on land don't see. that. may may 'd involve directly made the most remote not exactly americans but there. is so crazy here and black sciri chin is much much much more dangerous when i ask one question about don't ask because
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whatever the ukrainian leadership. it's commitment to ukraine's territorial integrity it's pretty obvious to everybody that they don't need them boss at least at this point they don't want it to be reintegrated into ukraine because it's very expensive canonically it's very risky politically etc i wonder if this recent round of tensions could be at least in part motivated by the landscape calculation of actually losing don't box and gaining nato membership at the same time when that have solved many of these problems in just want to go. well maybe you're right of course 'd this is this possibility cannot be excluded although i am very skeptical about this nato made the membership or invitation made because 1st of all they cannot swallow ukraine to be a country of at least 7000000 people ruined economy militarily
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not so attractive by the way so. remember bucharest 2008 when the trade bill in by george a smaller country but still be because of those opposition of the europeans and i think them today europeans will that was that's why they and historic rhetoric of the us administration now is not that offensive as it was in europe because some of them have you know remember crumbling their eyes just should furious running around that they will say in bucharest in b.c. there really is to invite ukraine and georgia now going back to that call and pretend by them you mentioned that the your brain and what's happening in ukraine might have played a role in prompting that outrage from bottoms do you think that's
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a call that the fact of it having taken place at potential summit that was discussed between president biden d think you know have any effect on the ukrainian front getting recruited status hunkering down there think if if. a settlement really pates place and not in the forseeable future but. no blinking yes the dimension in the coming weeks i do not exclude that possibility or course will definitely be made defuse the situation with him he may be convincing in explaining the situation of explaining russian motivation moreover americans know that i'm like you create or i'd like to lance here who doesn't control everything in the bus and not all the forces in the bus with him controls everything and if he says the bye then ok i don't go he won't but that apart from
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putting having out more control of the events i think he's also more straightforward about goals things by. that means various ukrainians as far as i can tell are trying to essentially be in a position of a tail wagging the dog because if they are indeed try trying to game and made a membership they're essentially trying to mirror the united states and. you know crossing on it with all the suppose it's accurate prices that ukraine gets from the united states and some of the completely right and as far as i understand americans know that the bit that the ukraine would like to would like to well do put americans in a very awkward situation either you or you help us know they're talking about us bad nuclear weapons it's a made matter for the americans for the united states but the ukrainians. yeah i mean that some talk of a bit of
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a bit. position the fissionables completely irresponsible complete play sponsors not the topic and protected by them came on be heels of another 5 last publicized phone call based on between big chiefs of staff of the russian and the american army and from what i heard from my sources it was a very polluted pro long and detailed discussion do you think there is any connection between these 2 you phone calls for of course it's their right to mention because they're american. and joint chiefs. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff here knows that it's not the 1st don't. you know we have your eyes and love and as you know is that if he wants to know. the information from the from the original source. of your estimate and your estimates i think he explained everything he explained about the training period i'm sure and he explained maybe
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if the book was on the stand that maybe that is sort of a warning to be your premiums be careful because we're not there but we are. but we have close now close to and sadly why because i mean under normal circumstances it would be diplomats who would be holding those talks but we are finding ourselves in a position when russia has already recalled its ambassador from. washington after outrageous statements by joe biden calling the president of this country a killer. we know that the foreign ministry a few days ago the russian foreign minister came out with a statement saying that they consider an america an adversary not just a partner i mean. on the top of that the military to military contact are sensually the only line of contact the only lot of communication between our countries what exactly does it say to you when basic military people and doing the job of the
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diplomats is that a sign of what. i would say the military people are doing the jobs of the people events no it was a no talking at all yes people there just is just exchange of information that just sure bet your eyes are going to explain because he is going to be part of what russia is actually doing it will treasury is actually meaning and when i say that we are close by the u.s. mint maybe maybe he said ok general we don't want war but if you create eons we'll start offensive from the people down bust even the respective of the fact that there were 6 of the 1000 people with the russian best course we have commitments to. give support to defend those people we'll respond and maybe he will explain it here explain who he's going to bring you know what we're wrestling with this form. and based on the end i think that was. that was taken
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seriously i am absolutely sure by the joint chiefs and maybe there was the result when they canceled the. passage of well there was ships leave next year it will be some sort of diffusion of situation where the ukrainians will stop it although it will be a shell and you know started talking that we are not going through any offensive around not going to. solve this issue right milcher mean so there is no better there is already it is not bad it is not a bit aggressive well mr brzezinski we have to take a very short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments. on. the
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welcome back to walter part 3 of the game he was insecure chairman of the board of the peer center here in moscow mr bush and before the break started our conversation about the so-called that's been printed and by then and it's interesting that the american president in that whole extra asked his intentions his country's intentions you have quote stable and predictable relationship with russia and i wonder what does stable and predictable mean in this day and age when the 2 countries are diametrically opposed on how they see the world order and their respective places and have. well it's very difficult for me to say what the united states president means when he says that united states
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one wants stable and predictable relations me personally i don't believe in such relations as american presidents want wants them to be on the one hand we got very where we need to become we'll press your we definitely as your we insult you and do everything we want i don't believe in such insight she said surely americans call it walking and chewing gum yes yes i do not believe in this working chewing gum i do not believe that such essential nations may be stable no i am sure they will well it's interesting because as the officials on both sides started preparing this potential summit we are also hearing american media reports about that and you round of sanctions that mr ation is considering including some restrictions against russia so far and dad as well as the expulsions of the russian
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diplomats i wonder how far in. terms of sanctions the americans. of course it go before the idea of time it becomes a job it would be for what the russians cannot sustain it anymore oh well you see it seems to me that well as one of my granda says in. the russian government told 'd me that. russian story is. tired to come and be in the packages of sanctions there are more than 7 there were and $75.00. or they have been already in the new package of sound since or will be announced maybe late that will be about expanding growth and diplomats sanctioning. when there are going to zation. some number of people and then again our summary of some sanctions about our summer and. of
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course there will be there will be a response and as far as it was reported by 0 press yesterday you should offer assistance to the president he summoned the u.s. ambassador and warrant that if there are new sanctions the response will be. will definitely be well as that increase thinking we cannot i mean that as russians we cannot that are for their response because. first of all i mean we have know that no instruments of leverage and got american story and that i mean that this is this is the most dangerous dangerous and damaging are the proposed new sanctions. bill and if that happens to pass do you think putin will have in and after him hence you sort of accept and moves towards negotiations i mean at the end the day they do isn't it ultimately
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a task what he chooses whether it's national pride or you know some some potential some promise although. probably not to the guy look at the united states well i'm sure that president putin wants pregnant i think but where where are the limits of his passion and he is. well and his desire. somehow somehow repairing the the the relations between our countries i don't know because the administration says that. their answer was very very very very very delicate they would say that if for the president but he said well he has a response will be. so the response. to the american you're saying says the response will be. whether after bear the media or summit
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basically sum up that's for the president to decide now i've heard from some a russian diplomats and from some russian officials that in the past while and i merican some russians were engaged in sound sort of negotiations let's say on on in there a new nuclear issue moscow was always sort of trying to sell its influence on or offer its influence on issues that are of interest to americans rather than straightforwardly pursuing its own if that summit indeed takes place do you think russia's negotiating approach will change or we will still be sort of trying to accommodate because i was walking into. i don't think so i think that. if someone baits place it will be i think that when bill tried to. really explain the relations to really explain maybe he will try one more go
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make us president believe for believe that there was no no russian interference because this cyber interference. tribute is the most is the most difficult issue they blame. our military intelligence i cannot exclude everything but i don't want to be untrained belhadj incident is still involved in the american elections the previous or. over the last year but mr brzezinski isn't really about trying to explain to the americans because i was just reading this recent book by william burns a former deputy secretary our state former american ambassador to russia and he makes it pretty clear that communication has never been an issue between russians and americans the russians have always communicated that position pretty clearly but that americans that should that just chose to ignore those explanations so is
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it really about you know explaining your point of view i rather be being not what you try to communicate well that's a pity because you see if you will accuse anybody especially if you're a pew state. of someone just violations but accused of crimes you're going to present the evidence you're going to present as they say card then not just. reference that we know it was the best american but we know what why do it trust us. we know our intelligence says that there was a few minutes it's like the brits made it we script case no evidence not so it whatsoever well still highly likely russia is. is the bully this is and we appear united states but it can't play devil's advocate
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here because the united states has such an overwhelming get back to when it costs you internet and digital technologist women make sense for russia to develop some offensive cyber capabilities and seo allowed its partners know that if you know. some tools and it's pockets because at the end of the day we are all well memorable to the american. hour in cyberspace into americans want to see just off to war they can possibly do that so rather than you know blaming each other we're going to make a better sense to look sad some sort of rules in cyberspace and think we've got to be can all play by them fully agree fully agree any bets what we can offer to. buy their way for a year ago let's sit down have. some work out some rules some rules over here in cyberspace because well it's recognise that russian. the best in the
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book by the way well the russian intelligence officer is let's be honest with our audience they also have pretty good expertise and there is a very well but. well i shouldn't say i mean that if they didn't that would be entertaining i do not see any reasons why a russian military intelligence well fears of their elections or trying to interfere in is one thing but having the capacity to change or fear is another. americans also have the capacity to end the fear that yes a bit always that they fear but fear logic is that we have to fear to make you good to make you better if you have to fear to make us worse i know this logic but it's good it's good for you and just for kitchen talk but not for a state to state religious beliefs well in any case the. plans for a bilateral summit in the 3rd country are on the cards and i don't know about you
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but it sounds me back to you the times of cold war when let's say gorbachev and reagan would meet and have a coffee or a shelf and candidate would meet in here and trying to appraise that then you could hear pocalypse do you think these kinds of comparisons historic comparisons applicable here because normally speaking in these danish leaders. with me in each other's countries they would not seek a neutral territory but here we are again looking for a country that would provide a neutral ground. absolutely i fully agree that historical peril is complete about 100 percent because a mono. saying bad situation no worse than they were in the period of reagan or in the period of. i didn't herself kennedy that was i have to the cuban missile crisis and the cuban missile we're going to listen we have no old
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soon or. maybe a very close but very close very close because because in the incident. i didn't say they just want to finish then i strongly believe that any military confrontation between the united states and russia could not become so can not become so the escalation is even and its coalition nobody can afford to heat their bets up and that's obvious so either you've got to get my soul to my planes well shut down my warships well drown but ok i agree let's stop it no that won't be d.d. it will be escalation best so a bit better true should be understandable now i want to specifically ask you about this latest summit and latest have received the latest on that gorbachev and reagan in the great cabinet because. it was notable on several grounds they didn't
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sign of any major documents but that meeting was a ritual a big crowd were at the end of the cold war which was celebrated in the west that primarily because of the collapse of the soviet union that was a major thing for them and the major positive thing for them about this summit is not do you think now the americans are mentally emotionally ready to deal. deal with russia as it is why do you think they're still led by this idea that they can change a russia that liking and that russia that they know right now will sooner or later collapse and they can you know find you know their partner in its place you see. their mistake is there. as well at least i cannot speak for the for the whole american for the american public as a whole but this for their leadership especially. the president ministration
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leadership the song your belief. be it be in big or all we're seeing is present if we can do is everything will change be cheech all for them it will be over if you get it go to change russia and that's their mistake. i'm sure about. well mr brzezinski it's always a great pleasure talking to you we have to be there but thank you very much for sharing about thank you thank you it's a great you for watching hope to see you again next week here i don't want to part . by.
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listening to national well that's not a man i want anybody to molest that's only c.d.'s to prevent the ski cross and it's kind of scene from the regular morgue you're more you're talking about you are the rock. was my. wash your psyche of all those lucifer mistletoe it's just that i'm like i don't i'm just 5 nobody it is not my achievement mr davies are 5 you have plans for can see the need and get it out by the people themselves if the wood producer even florek it with the idea of making a film like this they'd probably be branded as crazy. now is the sentiment during the war the soviets were brave heroes resisting nazis that's going to change of
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course after the war once the cold war begins. little people think that hollywood is a free place but only what is strictly defined by only one side of the business and the other side is ideology. how would i define hollywood is they call it the dream manufacture which i think's true but i think equally it's a problem and the fact. is you'll media a reflection of reality. in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe. isolation full community. are you going the right way or are you being
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led. by. what is true what is faith. in the world corrupted you need to descend. to join us in the depths. or unmaidenly shallowness. it's no freedom of speech even though in the european parliament any more than anybody claims he was silence during a heated exchange in the european parliament for daring to question the transparency of the global weapons watchdog over its investigation on attack in syria. and it is sure that they're telling the truth would be afraid to have to investigate.

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