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what is true what is faith. in a world corrupted you need to descend. to join us in the depths. or a maybe in the shallowness. it was no freedom of speech even though in the european parliament anymore. he was silence during a heated exchange in the european parliament for daring to question the transparency of the global weapons watchdog over its investigation i want to talk in syria. i'm sure. would be afraid. of. police in the u.k. smash their way to the house of a man who passed was so cool country on his way home and refused to quarantine
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a hotel at his own expense. and i've got a translator and sphere to talk about will make them pay with their blood after us troops are pulled out of afghanistan here. i think it's shameful his colleagues being abandoned. alongside u.s. forces don't actually deport the ends of the safety and security of europe and america leaving them behind these the north. and human are those are the headlines for this hour with the team at 7 am moscow time to bring you the latest global news headlines reporter see you back that.
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i'm after announcing we're going underground for another lockdown edition of solidarity is expressed all around the world with palestinian prisoners allegedly detained by israel by the e.u. u.k. and us in violation of international law this all under the shadow of the global grown a virus pandemic in part 2 we go to northern ireland to investigate why the 23rd anniversary of the good friday agreement was accompanied by nearly 90 injured u.k. sick. the forces before us joining me now from heifer in israel is israeli dissident a story and an author professor ellen papa thank you so much you have a coming back on i mean you're known globally for your work on the middle east show your work with no i'm trying to ski on gaza on palestinian prisoners day gaza's been called the largest open air prison in the world is everyone there a prisoner. in many ways not only in the ground you're not think also in the west bank we're talking about to measure prisons was that different you know where gaza
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is almost like maximum security prison because of the siege and mccrae and part of the west bank you walk a mile marked an open prison but basically every gene or grant you hundreds of millions upon has been in. response to. have no longer the risk reminders and present regime and relationship between water and people of course who are 1. only chronic congress the public roads they. all get any criminal act just because they're not understanding it's their living conditions that most people are going to work hard. and there are all basic rights which is common how what happens. in. i mean israel of course denies this absolutely and keeps talking about how must as does
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many as do many e.u. leaders do you think would you agree with clare short a former british cabinet minister has said that accusations of terrorism against hamas is a bit like the accusations of terrorism against president nelson mandela of south africa. i don't agree with clara longers i think understand ration movement has secular. has a national side and has a commitment islamic side but all the respect all these parties all these movements are part of. the old understand if you want. and therefore this struggle is an anti come on you're wrong and it is absolutely true that there were times that because on the list problems in algeria. and solves not your god where. acts of terrorism and in the national and then i will mention
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among generals goldenheart parents. and. we need career denies the fathers the instructor and stop training it as an act of terror for the sake of their reason. the propaganda has been trying to comment. i know the life is changing there on the camera a little hope of says stop this despite that that judging life i mean i what i want to get on to the britain's role we're going to speak in but to tune the former head of intelligence francine moyo and island was england's 1st colony what do you made for boris johnson's comment saying any international criminal court avesta geisha into alleged war crimes by israel in the in these areas it gives the impression of being a partial and prejudicial prejudicial attack on a friend an ally of the u.k. is netanyahu of course has said it's i've been diluted and he semitism. well it's
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particularly i think painful and comes to britain because there is a british responsibility for the suffering of the palestinian which goes back to $917.00 to the balfour declaration and ever since the bulk of the gratian so many of the british decision so many many of its policy making has contributed directly to the palestinian catastrophe 948 and to the catastrophes that followed. now i know some of the british diplomats on the ground in the west bank they do sent every month a report to britain i'm sure boris johnson doesn't read these reports but these are some of these diplomats are honest people and if you read their reports you would rush to the international. criminal court to try and prosecute israel for its
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crimes so it's not even a matter of ignorance on the part of the british government it is knowing really knowingly that they provide this international umbrella for criminal policy of which they are fully aware and i would add to this the military support of britain gives to israel some even military training in all of this of course sustaining the israeli policies and immunize israel from any into any effective international rebuke that is necessary given the imbalance on the ground between understanding and israelis. do you and other academics callers on the subject of being campaigning for decades let alone the people of palestine things changing now in the united states maybe that will have an impact on britain a democrat from minnesota betty mccollum introducing legislation in the united
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states to make military aid conditional on the detention of children this after all being palestine prisoners' day do you think you wouldn't have heard that before that legislation would even be considered in the u.s. about the detention and ledge torture of children by an israel backed by the united states the european union in the u k. i think one happens is that. in the last 2025 years. and very significant shift in american public opinion. research. on if you want pondered stronger or on the political system. bob. thank you we can see the beginning of. 1 1 more and more. and more we will hear more about that
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especially in the democratic party we should not be. too long before we will hear people. making statements. to the reality on the ground inspect them not optimistic about the. ministration but i do think this is a very it's prosser you know big big. very snowy there is a change. in our. people. but hopefully we will come back to this. on the way to changing and. stop the suffering of the pundits being on the ground because as you say it must be very give me britain's name anita jeremy corbyn was
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brought down about accusations of anti-semitism when a brought up palestine and as for lloyd austin joe biden's pentagon was just declared a. commitment to israel in the face of accusations like the ones you will make him about child attention. yes. wanted to repeat not to forget that we are talking about special courts for children of israel holds and abuses under steam in children and children who are prisoners but in many ways if you want to look at the journey called for for instance on the one hand yes it is a successful. policy by the lobby to destroy his political career. on the other hand it means that there are now people in positions of importance leaders of opposition parties and so on who are now such talking openly about
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their support for the palestinian cause and of course the opposition will do all it can to silence them and stifle the debate but i think it also shows that something is changing just shows that the campaign is not over people are going to look at what you've been accused of obviously i mean. central to the debate about palestine is probably being toward schools right across the european union is this phrase 2 state solution do you see the phrase 2 state solution now as a code for continuing to jail torturing children bombing damascus who knows what your government gets up to is the phrase 2 state solution a cover. i think it's that's a cover for israel but it's far more a cover for the west. the israeli government doesn't talk about 2 state solution
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hasn't been talking about 2 state solution since netanya came to power but i think there west the leaders of the west are talking about the 2 state solution as an excuse to say well you know maybe israel is doing that or other thing violates human rights and civil rights systematically but because around the corner there is a peace agreement based on a 2 state solution we don't have to interfere and we don't have to do anything against these violations because that's the formula these violations would stop once the 2 state solution would become a reality now everyone who has been on the ground for more than 5 minutes knows that the 2 state solution has been dead now for a very long time and its body lies in the more the only thing we need is a funeral just to establish that fact but i think it is. a good excuse for especially governments like the british government and the american
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government to remain idle and do nothing in the face of a very visible. continued violation of human rights and civil rights which includes views of the rights of should listen in children. on the ground. you know if one can forgive a british civil society or any of the mainstream media for not covering human rights abuses in the middle east it might be not only the duke of edinburgh's funeral but it by all of them be a huge corruption scandal breaking here about all being what do you make of the level of lobbying that emanates from from the middle east. the main place where jeremy corbin refused on state when they could be any seen before is neither should be election to admit he was taking money from a known person who supported israeli interests in the middle east war i know i personally am going to write a book on it that so called lobby which i should say israel considers just the
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phrase anti-semitic. book about it now. aspects of this story really hit me when i went into the material. this is a very. being going on for gary long time. all the. small b. in britain and i think that's one reason it's so resilient it's knowing that the general. started yesterday ordered a new post yesterday its. second novel the 19th century the 2nd aspect very important remember it's not just the jewish community that supports this mob the roads are strong. under mentalists gresham will be in britain as well we tend to think that it only exists in the united states because it's there but it's a very powerful lobby in the united. is well and i think. this is why.
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really expects so many aspects of british policy how would the question. now no way to challenge it it's really not all. its main. ation of the senate isn't. the principle means to stifle debate on the spot and silence be. criticized isn't to realize that there are. problems it's not just about honest night it's really your moral you know mark musician against. relations of human rights in the word not only. and therefore i think this should really enhance and i'll repeat. what you know many reasons very company to try their character and blame for racism and i'm
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semitism we're taking a very bold and moral condition against great series and in that case resign and. present a lot of a thank you after the break we go to england's 1st colony island where violence on the streets of belfast could signal a united ireland. backstabbers financial survival guide. housing bubble. oh you mean there's a downside to artificially low mortgage rates don't get carried away that's cause report. welcome back as violence continues on the streets of belfast in the wake of the 23rd anniversary of the signing of the good friday agreement u.k.
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prime minister morris johnson seems more preoccupied with the scandal over corporations lobbying members of his government than arguably the worst violence seen in northern ireland for decades here's what all the 1st minister eileen foster said about the rioting the scenes we have seen over this nasty evening and previous evening to various parts of northern ireland are totally unacceptable there can mean no p.s. in our society for violence or the threat of violence and it must all just as it was wrong in the past and was never justified so what is wrong and cannot be justified. the injury to frontline officers victims terrorized damage to people's property the harm to northern ireland's image in this arson tinner here has taken a spark words and no brick no bottle no patter of bone thrown has achieved or can ever achieve anything but destruction harm and fear. we are indebted to the police officers he stand between order and those who prefer anarchy we are also
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indebted to all those political representatives community leaders parents pastors and others who have sought to countenance and and urge restraint enforced the leader of the u.p.a. there joining me now from his constituency is the shin fein m.p. from middle to front seat malloy father thanks so much for coming back on the show well enforced as this is distracting all the violence from the real war break ins shin frame no evidence to suggest that the u.p.a. has been involved in the violence and it's quiet and out of it what is your take being where i think one is it's a dangerous talk where arlene directly to the sage in vienna think and lose like after all she and vienna leave the our partners in government in the assembly part and doing the 1st minister to it is very important that we get the rate. to their people like the feel comfortable with what i can help the balances happen down the
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street is following on from whenever we leave particularly met with the loyalist paramilitaries to she said explain to them what was happening around the irish critical and what happened around the issues around the crash that we have to remember that russian protocol would go she had by the british government the be rejected a number of measures that likely would have leave the problems around we recall and the issues are back and forth and so a lot of the issues are have been highlighted are not actually the real issues that we're talking about there is usually we're talking about here is. of the concern of the loyalist paramilitaries and the weapon up of young people who have been centered to act to try and create the bounty on the streets when the reality. the general public are not involved in any rash are any activity on the streets well
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all them are people when this will the people gathered out here in front and you don't get nearly 900 police officers or security forces are injured you mentioned that early in foster the head of the u.p.a. had met with partisan paramilitaries how does that actually work as it's been reported everywhere even maybe not in the washington post which got the story late arguably the british segment of the b.b.c. got the story late about what's been happening in derry belfast carrick fergus all over ulster what he means he need to paramilitaries and they know illegal. a lot of the good friday agreement they are under should have been disbanded a long time back there are no doors to the kitchen at all if we're going to our militant there's no justification for said communication with them because they are involved in the political process are there not the john outside of a group which was quite a loyalist parmalee it was a u. d.
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e v f n r in armed commandos and this is the group of people that are named and were at a meeting with bays and were to update them on what was happening in recent days critical but the end of the protocol was brought about by the british government. to try and alleviate some of the worst issues of prasad and the levy have been brace of puerto of the strongest my years of traction and really we told them over and over again and was detrimental to their own community. well we haven't the top people on this show and we've investigated that. seeming. their own doom being sold by their support for conservative administrations here when you hear that boris johnson northern ireland secretary also says the violence is an acceptable but that the factors are complex what would you think he means
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well. understand barstow is concerned and should be concerned and what we're sending the 2 governments shouldn't take your eye of the ball or to govern should have to ensure that they're gone in trend to alleviate the bio's. ras whenever that happen when they're switched on like this because at the loyalist parmalee don't like the process so that the u.p.a. don't like the issue of our larry dimension and i think then we actually have to question what does the what is a british government doing to try and alleviate that problem i mean do you think i mean this in faint call for the bars on the government to respond to dublin's desire for some kind of summit now about where we are as regards the protocol on the border in the irish sea yes i think we do need to meet the. government and the british government the problem is that the d.v.d.
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don't want to be he broke off communication and they do want to participate in the east is doctors are there within the green for the agreement and what we need is the full implementation off the good friday agreement not any staying away from one not any excuses for not implemented and we don't need a 2nd to see it run loose are others trying to justify the bounds of the state as it were to something to do with the irish dimension do you think jonson not responding to dublin favorably so far some of that he doesn't want to be involved in any summit maybe a reflection of his understanding that joe biden used to well certainly supported the old ira. well joe biden had on the irish instructors in the u.s. in general there were brain which involved in the peace process the good friday agreement the clinton administration with key to bring
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a pretty good friend it remained and joe biden and his administration have made it clear that the good for the agreement has to be protected and we have to ensure that is fully implemented and that the any damage to that there were 90 have an act on certain of trade deals with the british government and the u.s. administration joe biden and graham which on the line with what people want to see on it think you know the area should community want to see the full implementation of the good credit remain well i'll give the border poland reunification rezek a better pot when we heard about palestine and palestinian prisoners they you've actually talked about similarities between the struggle for irish freedom and palestinian freedom just remind us all the parallels there because you have never had that in mainstream media in this country though and i think that's one of the problems at the end of the palestinian issue is that it's actually i'm in awe freedom and freedom 1st people and the new word.
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concern about the trip and off the palestinian people the palestinian prisoners they are no main the rancic are killing israel and i was acting back in the there was peace process is called together within palestine as well and and really b.s.t. israel has marched and demolished the infrastructure such as to tram the process as i tick off the palestinian people even in this time of pandemic on the need for nike to bash nations though the palestinian people have been left and abandoned oh we and you know tony blair is a year began. to eat. if that issue is the palestinian people it hasn't done i'm with them and then the same thing within the irish community they were once we got the good friday agreement on fortunately the 2 governments took their eye of the ball on the hallowed the issue to draft and the british government and the tourists
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and make an agreement and the end all in our part and i learned them to fall apart and i'm stepping back there will be much in need to implement those agreements for the similarities between the palestinian people storm people and of the similarities within you know the cuban people who are acting i.d.m. are being curtailed under all imagine of what they want to achieve is being curtailed we want to see the similarities come together and on the areas people have on us they have communication with the palestinian people which i think with the brave people the press people and we see ourselves brain which in the same line . well i forgot i think tony blair was the un envoy for the middle east his wife has been on this year we invite him on but i think he's more concerned with lobbying inquiries here in westminster arguably but you talk about the similarities and you must be aware that some people believe the palestinian authority has sold
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out the ballots didn't cause it we had ian paisley jr on this show and he said jim fein now administer the british rule in iowa and i mean do you think bobby sands be happy with the way she unfeigned basically have ministers law from westminster now in the north of. i think would be because they. saw the opportunity to bring a little sacrament and the crisis of the wars in the prison as a particular and nobody would do in any to train leaving and what we should are now number sectors and he took on our challenge. for the. band large. and then dan because of the. confidence and aftermath and we started this was renewed for the prisoners within the prison so ensure that we do need to actually sit down and who she had at least
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able to do missions just finally obviously while we're talking about protestant paramilitaries all the other parties the d.v.d.'s g.o.p. the u.p. the alliance the greens are calling for the deputy 1st minister michele o'neill's resignation because and it's in every news report here in britain really the reason for the rioting across ulster is because of the ira funeral of bobby story who was very why was he so important and is this this is actually a decoys for the the deep rooted causes why impoverished partisans might desire to revolt in. yet. i think you reach out to young politicians on the stage there were no what we story was there was a story of a lifelong republican he had been imprisoned he had went through various different stages open terry gay shouldn't have been arrested and there are many were stowed
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of those white at the end of the were marching to washington on the e.p. were trying to do so distract from the real issue which is that their greed compassion read to the protocol important and now they're actually trying to blame everyone else but why there is rather mystery i don't believe that the ratan st as i'm in the do with what we saw on the story spirit because adding there were many around that particular time and since that and i know everything we've gone pretty straight and organized i have to make sure that the all the protocols were interest you know all the protections were in place and pretty give people the passion for the present the brother here is in service decided not to prosecute i'm just very very briefly then another funeral the duke of edinburgh thrill of you know you think after that we may well see the paramilitaries back but hopefully not hopefully people will take aspirin and reasons b.s.
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and not to return to return to the negotiating table and to make our tax walk and to ensure that the assembly and the institution to go there that report and is basically for it when are used are all there no justification whatsoever for ratting on the street. for answer below i thank you that's of the show will be back on monday 52 years to the days in schools of off duty u.k. security since violent be attacked a civil rights march from belfast to derry and when will be investigating the democratic socialist alternative to violence police against black men in minneapolis until then join me on the ground the following us all on social media. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have.

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