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>> this meeting of april 8, 2021 to bored. i'm the board chair. this is pursuant to provisions of the brown act and executive orders issued by the governor. ordinarily, the brown act sets strict rules for teleconferencing. the governor's executive order has suspended those rules. members of the public may observe this meeting see sfgovtv and may offer public comment by calling the public comment phone number. i'd like to thank the members of
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the public and the staff. mr. secretary, could you call the roll for today? >> i would like to note that chang is sitting in as baptiste's alternate. >> chang present. >> d. el-tawansy: here. >> e. forbes: present. >> b. lipkin: present. >> d. shaw: present. >> j. tumlin: present. mandelman absent. >> chair gee: present.
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directors, we have quorum. i will call your next item. directors, item 3 is communications. we like to remind the public that the public comment process is listed on the agenda and streaming on the screen. are there any other communications from the board members at this time? >> chair gee: not seeing any hands raised. >> i will proceed. directors, item 4 is board of directors's new and or old business. seeing no hands raised, i will proceed to call the next item. >> chair gee: please, thank you. >> item 5 is the executive directors report. >> thank you. good morning, directors. as you're aware, c.e.o. ann rosen's last day is tomorrow,
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april 9. we wish her well. we will kick off the meeting with the management partners. this is the same that placed aaron and john with us. in regards to reopening programming and our tenants, we're happy to see that the city is slowly reopening. the city is expected to move to the yellow tier in a few weeks as positive covid-19 rates continue to decrease and vaccinations increase. assuming the spread continues decreasing and vaccination numbers increase we're looking forward to the continued reopening of the state and will monitor the safe reopening plans and ensure we continue to align with the city's efforts. we resumed free programming
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which had fitness and photography. we're encouraged by the attendance and the activities and the interest that we've received to rent our park for different events in the coming months. we'll add more activities in the coming weeks as the city expands for opening. as we ramp up activities, we'll be procuring a list of qualified vendors to provide the free services that the public will be able to take advantage of. we continue working on improvements to help grand opening in the fall. this week, we accepted a lease to operate in suite 119. this will be in addition to their chinese cuisine operations. both will open simultaneously in the fall of this year. it's a difficult time for small businesses, but we know that the city and this neighborhood will economically recover.
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it will take time, but we'll get there. and with the agreement, the tjpa, the transit center and the neighborhood it's a testament to that commitment. we want to thank for the 3.3 allocation of the second care stimulus package that will help us cover operations, revenue losses and ensure that our partners will not have a larger financial burden. we look forward to working with them. as we all know, president biden unveiled his jobs plan, which included $600 billion for transportation. we continue to identify funding opportunities. we hope to take advantage of existing and new funding programs. we will provide a legislative update by our advocacy team. last week we conducted federal
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virtual fly-in meetings with the federal advocates to introduce the projects, staff members, feinstein and house representatives and jackie spirit and speaker pelosi's office. we look forward to working them. we met with the federal railroad organization and we expect an opportunity in may. we continue to make progress on the project and today you'll hear request to approve modification to the master schedule as supported by the efc and unanimous funding allocation on march 23. we look forward to your approval of this accelerated work plan to ensure the development process as well. on tuesday, we provided a overview of the program to new and reappointed members.
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we'll look forward to having the members participate in the project. and today you will also consider a recommendation to fill the remaining open seat on the c.a.c. that concludes this portion of my report. i'm glad to take any questions before -- [indiscernible] -- affairs manager and advocate for -- [indiscernible] . >> chair gee: thank you. any questions from directors before we go on to the next report? not seeing any hands raised, but i'm not that great at this technology either. >> i'm not seeing any either, chair. >> chair gee: thank you. please continue. >> good morning, directors. thank you. so, good morning, directors. thank you for the opportunity to provide legislative update on our efforts so far this year.
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as mentioned by interim director gonzales we're joined by state advocates wanting to recognize them and our federal advocates. i'll provide an update of our local and regional policy. we're leaving the federal update just because there is a lot of activity and we know there is a lot of interest and -- [indiscernible] -- different questions. this slide talks about our roles this year which the transit center. we have been working to garner overall funding support for the center to recoup our revenue losses due to the pandemic as mentioned by interim director gonzalez. we've participated and continue to work with m.t.c. and obtain support for funding. as for the d.t.x. project, we've
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been actively engaging with our federal -- collaboration with the esc for the last few months. throughout the last months, we've been talking to our local legislative offices, which include the president of the board of supervisors, the mayor's office, regional, which includes m.p.c. commissioners on the state level, i know they will cover this in terms of talking to the senate, offices and assembly. and then the federal advocacy. again, we're excited by the american jobs plan that president biden released last week. and we're hoping to take advantage of the momentum to advance the project. i'll just send it over to nick
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although. >> thank you, lilly, chair person, and members of the board. with me this morning is my co-worker. i do want to thank the board and of course the executive team. we've had a long successful relationship with the tjpa and it's been a great pleasure working with the executive team. so, where we are in 2021 on this state side, we have three points we're going over. one of the main focuses over the years and definitely in through this year has been making sure that the caucus which is over 30-plus members in the senate and assembly is aware of everything that has been going on. our firm strategy is to make sure stakeholders have up-to-date information and are ware of the successes and the issues we're dealing with, so when we may need help, they're ready to rock. so we have been briefing the
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caucus members, the executive committee is great with sharing information to make sure they have their finger on the pulse. definitely glad to a great success a couple of years ago, we had a lot of great funding. we brief all the members, their staff. we've offered tours and excited that once the restrictions are lifted, to get a behind-the-scenes tour and see everything going on. we do have new members so we've been briefing them and their staff. and it's quite reassuring to hear all the positive feedback and commitments to help us with whatever issues we may have. with that, i'm going to turn it over to my co-worker to discuss the final two bullet points. >> thank you. good morning, chair person gee and members of the board. i'm with public affairs.
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we've been working to set up meetings with legislative offices and brief them on the status of tjpa operations, explain the ever glow growing significance of the project and to extend our hand in partnership to work together with the state legislature on any transit-related legislation and/or budget items. we work to create new presentations tailored to the specific office we're meeting with. then there are meetings accompanied by director gonzalez, and mrs. lou. we've had successful meetings with new senate transportation chair gonzalez, her chief of staff and the chief consultant from the senate transportation committee as well as senator, alex lee, part of the assembly
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transportation committee and his staff who handles transportation policy. and we're working to set up meetings with the other members of the bay area delegation and the transportation chair and her committee staff. the end goal of these meetings as well as the ongoing updates to the capital network is to have all capital stakeholders aware of the dtx project, what we need and have them in our corner when the time arises for a specific funding request. with that, i'll happily hand i had over to the federal team. >> thank you very much, chair gee, and members of the board. thank you fort opportunity to provide an update on the infrastructure landscape.
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i'm a partner, a washington d.c. based government relations firm focused on representing local government entities before the u.s. congress and the executive branch. today i am pleased to be joined by two members of tjpa's federal team, keith and richard. having taken office two-and-a-half months ago, the biden administration has wasted no time in moving forward with the president's top two priorities. rescue and recovery. on march 11, president biden signed into law the american rescue plan which provided an additional $2 trillion in emergency covid relief. the rescue plan included $30 billion for the transit industry, of which approximately $1.25 billion is slated to come to the bay area to provide transit providers with additional emergency resources. following on the $802 million that area transit operators received in the prior covid
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relief packages, so we're glad to see that congress is continuing to make transit a priority as it relates to emergency covid relief. as federal agencies work to administer these rescue funds, president biden has turned his full attention to his next big priority. delivering a once-in-a-generation infrastructure package. overall, this package includes funding for traditional physical infrastructure, such as transit, bridges and roads, but also includes support for housing, broadband, critical asset resilience, worker training and the caregiver economy. in particular, we're excited that the proposal includes a provision that aligns with the substantial cost andunder taking of the phase 2 of the transit center. it proposes -- i'm going to read it to you -- the creation of a new $25 billion program to support ambitious projects that
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have tangible benefits to the region or national economy, but are too large or too complex for existing funding programs. we think this proposed new program describes phase 2 of the d.t.x. to a t. this includes $85 billion for public transit, $80 billion for inner city passenger rail and freight rail. and while not defined in great detail, this money has potential to provide additional resources to completing phase 2 of the transit center. the next step for the infrastructure package is for congress to turn the president's infrastructure framework into legislation. speaker pelosi has indicated she would like the house process to conclude by july 4. congressional committees, including the transportation committee will turn their time
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and attention to developing a legislative proposal. this proposal itself has a lot of support within democratic circles, but getting a massive package through is no easy task. as we learn through our efforts to secure $400 million for the train box and president obama's 2009 stimulus bill, the particulars of the biden administration's proposal will change many, many times between now and final passage. and our job as your advocate in d.c. will be to maintain flexibility as a legislative -- the legislative process works its will. it will be subject to many factors, including intensive negotiations within the democratic party. while we believe that the broader infrastructure package provides a tremendous opportunity for phase 2 --
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whether those be the nature of competitive grants, our comprehensive approach takes all opportunities into account and creates a menu of projects so that the tjpa can leverage and maximize federal opportunities. i'd like to take a moment to highlight three essential elements of this comprehensive approach. first, in late december congress passed a fiscal year 2021 appropriation bill that funds a myriad of opportunities. we are currently working with the tjpa to pursue grants from the federal railroad program as well as fema's transit security grant program. as additional grant opportunities are announced, we will continue to evaluate and support those opportunities. second, on the legislative front, we are continuing to work the congressional stakeholders from across the country to develop federal financing
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proposals. in particular, we have been focused on making minor, but important modifications to the railroad, rehabilitation and improvement financing program that would allow tjpa to increase the capacity. for a project such as the d.t.x., direct federal funds and programs must be utilized. count toward the local match of the grant program within the f.t.a., so the sizing and timing of any credit instruments will be an important factor as you move forward through the new process. and finally, we have been working to support tjpa's entry into the product development phase of the federal transit administration's capital investment grant program. this rigorously implemented program is a key element to delivering phase 2. as you heard during the executive director's report, we
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were pleased to announce the fly-in and we look forward to doing similar meeting with congress an and the administration. on behalf of keith, richard and myself, thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today. >> chair gee: great, julie, thank you for the update at the federal level. and the state level. directors, any questions? or advocacy teams? i'm not seeing hands raised, but it's great to get an update from all of our members. director shaw? >> d. shaw: i don't have a question specifically on what you said, but as i was listening to everything you were saying, i was thinking about how this project has such a regional effect, right. and there is a lot of us that
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have these fly-ins and doing these meetings with legislative people. and i just wondered in general how is this looked at as a regional effort and how are we sure that all the people involved in the effort, the advocacy is the same across the board, whether we're meeting about our own agencies, whether we're meeting -- i'm curious because everybody has a different advocate, everybody has a different company they're working with and i'm new to all of this. so i just wondered if you guys talk and you make sure we're all representing everybody together as a region or how that works? >> i'm happy to start. it's an excellent question. you're right, if we're not speaking with one voice it's very hard to move forward with these massive investments that we're working to accomplish at the federal level. so we've been talking a lot about coordination along the
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peninsula so we can move forward with phase 2. i think you're going to see an uptick in those activities as we move forward. it may be in the form of letters, it may be in the form of joint meets that we do in a virtual sense. but please know we coordinate also with the advocacy community here in d.c. that represents those various interests and we believe that coordination is the way to go. >> if i can chime in, julie, that was a great answer and similar to the state side, making sure that the entire caucus is briefed and updated is because the project is such a regional benefit. interesting side story, when we were working to get r m3 funding, one of the most staunch advocates, of course the san francisco delegation are supportive, but a lot of the strong support came from east bay, skinner, because they're
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commuters, they're residents, their constituents were taking transportation to the transit center. it was beautiful to see that report. in addition, just like julie mentioned, our team here in sacramento, we make a chance to check in with the advocates for transit, muni, so we're all sharing information. we're all passing the ball to one another and making sure that everyone is up to date and we all have our fingers on the pulse. corny, but team work does make it here. >> that's a great question, director shaw. i'm glad this is about passing the ball, not a scrum [laughter]. >> absolutely. >> chair gee: any more questions from directors? given all the activity and funding opportunities, i think
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it would be great to get regular updates from our teams here, because there is a lot going on. and i think this, as you said, julie, this is going to evolve a lot before the legislation goes into effect. so stay up to date. what we do not only for tjpa, but for the region is important. anything else to update the board on? >> i just wanted to follow-up on what you were saying chair gee, in terms of the coordination and the national significance. that's something we're working on and i reached out to a number of my peers at caltrain, rail, and we're working to develop our outreach and engagement that focuses on our mutual project benefits through the d.t.x.
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thank you. >> chair gee: thank you. more work to be done, but thank you. that's great. all right, thank you to our team at the state and federal level. >> thank you, everyone. >> before we hear from john, i would like to note that vice chair mandelman has joined us. >> chair gee: thank you, mr. secretary. vice chair, welcome. i think the ball goes to john now. is that correct? >> that is correct. good morning, chair gee, members of the board. i don't think i have any sports analogy, so i'll work that into the next presentation. maybe we can talk scrum here somewhere. let's go to the first slide. so i call this slide preparing for normalcy. so we're getting ready. it's going to happen. park programming as mentioned kicked off april 1 with a soft
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launch through adventures. that ramps up as our time period moves forward here, but more events each week. and we're currently negotiating the terms and conditions of the contract extension with biedermann adventures, hope to have that resolved in the coming days, frankly, for july 1 start of that potential renewal. we've been collaborating with the san francisco arts commission, my former colleague, and earnest in shaw alley, and so you see ongoing shot of that on the far right part of your screen as we brighten up shaw valley and really cleaning up nicely. really making it sparkle. glass repairs are also finally being made. we have a lot of covid-related
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delays, from the vendors and the material production standpoint. you can see that moving forward. a lot of those efforts are ongoing. the upper right corner of the pictures. and during the pandemic we exercised about once a month to make sure the systems were operational. and i'm pleased to say they're back on full-time. so that element on the fountains, as they move through transit center, it is continuing. we took the opportunity to fix glitches in the art display. that is now working as well. spring fertility is also open for business. they're doing quite well all right in their new location. let's go to retail leasing. so more good news.
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i had disappointing news previously regarding our lease negotiations that -- for a food and beverage vendor that were terminated. the good news that colliers, a brokerage team came in quickly and a new letter of intent is already signed. for not only the plaza area for food and beverage, but also in grand hall behind the main escalators. so we're moving forward with lease negotiations. i'll have more information on that soon. they're excited about a fall-targeted opening. so we're looking forward to seeing that happen. we're continuing to tour interested parties through suite 232, the green map before you. we have signed a new 10-year lease for a juice bar. that was one of our elements that we felt was missing in our food portfolio on the first
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level. so we're pleased to bring them aboard. again, a testament in the midst of a pandemic with all local agencies and struggles, we're bringing interested parties forward and signing leases. a terrific sign for us. still, also, negotiating the interest in five of our other vacant first-floor suites. moving forward to occupancy. we're not over the 80% mark. in a couple of months, i'm sure we'll be providing more information that will move that closer to 90%. negotiations continue. you can see the vacancies that we do have noted here. lastly, on tenant improvements, our base building work is all going, primarily around the kitchen exhaust system. it facilitates some of these turnovers that you see on the bottom of the page. that is going well. the materials have been delivered.
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you see in the right hand corner picture. we have commenced and will shortly complete the dry storage build-out. that will facilitate dry storage for cookie house, happy lemon and a few others as well. happy lemon has begun their construction, their gc has been picked, work is under way. they'll be next to open probably. maybe fall, perhaps summer. depends really on the economic activity around the center. you see the various other facilities and their timing shown below. i'm happy to answer any questions you might have. >> chair gee: thank you for the update. questions from the directors? i'm not seeing it, but i do have
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a question. i don't know if this is for you, john, or for nilla or directors tumlin and shaw. as we get ready to reopen, or as the region gets ready to open, do we have data on ridership embarking or disembarking at the transit center to help guide and inform tenants reopenings and leasing? and would that be helpful? >> i would be happy to start on that and director tumlin may have information as well. m.t.a. data has been helpful. we continue to hold hands with our restauranteurs. they're not only looking at transit ridership, but how much
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remote working will occur in the offices that surround us and when will folks be offsite. we're trying to manage that by staying in touch with the brokers and property managers to get a sense of that path of reopening. but further data and more clarity around the data, our patronage of transit riders would be helpful. >> e. forbes: i have a question. john, earlier we had discussed the way finding concept and moving on that, those capital improvements in terms of returning to normalcy, how is that project going? it seems a very important improvement to make on the quest to returning to normalcy. >> no question. it's very important. we've been working together collaborating with our colleagues at m.t.a., as well as
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m.t.c. we're moving that forward. you can see indication of that in the budget documents. there will be further information about that ensuring that we have sufficient monies to accelerate the project and provide match opportunities for any grant opportunities we might have down stream. i know we've also been chasing some legislative opportunities in that regard. so we have from the project that was presented to you last fall, really the blueprint to move this forward in phase 1. to make quick adjustments to signage and with the budgeted option moving forward, we'll be able to see some of that begin right after july 1. and there will be design elements, too. >> thank you. >> other questions or comments?
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>> d. shaw: yes. that was a good point about the data. as you know, transit has -- our linas into the transbay are down, but i'm sure we can provide that data and i think that will be good to do. i will pursue doing that. as a note to john, i didn't even know there was shaw alley, but now that i do, i am glad it's been sparkled up. [laughter]. >> was that a naming opportunity? >> obviously. >> if i may ask our interim director to work with transit partners and maybe add into the next month report, ridership trends to help with the leasing an opening activities. all our transits are struggling, but because this is tied to not only leasing and opening, it might be helpful to show our tenants to help them make good
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decisions about when to open. and when to lease and things like that. great. director tumlin, is that okay? >> yeah. we have abundant data. we can give you line and stop data for the muni services that serve the muni transit plaza. >> great, thank you. >> it will also help with our advertising opportunities as we get more folks in. that will help with that, too. >> great. any other questions or comments from directors? don't think i see hands raised. please just jump in, because it's kind of multitask with the technology here. if not, please continue. >> thank you. thank you, chair.
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so in the board packets you have the b.l.a. report that was created after the 33rd meeting. the j.c. consists of union and representatives who meet regularly and focussed on a successful implementation of the project labor agreement. it is queued up and getting ready for phase 2. we have the support of our trades and union members to get d.t.x. going as well. that's great to see, because of course, we'll get folks to work. if you guys have questions on the report, we're able to answer any questions you might have on the report. i look around as well. >> chair gee: i don't see any hands raised. >> no hands that i'm seeing either. >> thank you. >> chair gee: thank you and your team for the reports.
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good job. thank you. any public comment on the executive director reports? >> there is no public comment. i will proceed to call your next item. >> please, thank you. >> directors, item 6 is c.a.c. update and vice chair up top is joining on behalf of the chair and will address you on the item. >> great, thanks donald. hi, everyone. we had our c.a.c. meeting on tuesday night where we welcomed new members of the c.a.c. which we're always excited to do. we welcomed our new ac transit member, or representative. given that we had new members, the staff prepared an excellent presentation on the history of the tjpa. i think it was a great session where we sort of walked through the beginnings of the tjpa, again going back to late 90s. and i think it was a good reminder of the beginnings, how
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far we've come, but also what more is left to do in terms of seeing through the complete vision that was really thought of over 20 years ago now. and i think there is definitely a segment we're finding in phase 2 and getting things going there. the c.a.c. members appreciated the presentation. it was thorough, what we needed, but prompted a lot of good questions around things like the foundation of the center, what the center could be used for in different situation, security. and also financing. talking a bit about it's definitely a place where i think folks are eager to understand a bit more. we -- our c.f.o. who is leaving, gave a great presentation and gave folks comfort on the plans going forward. some folks did flag concerns around real estate values in the area. i think it's something that we're all thinking about.
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just given whether or not -- you know, what level of activity will resume and what the effects of that will be in terms of whether it's development, whether it's retail activity or any other number of things. we are excited about the resumption of activities in the park. it's one of the jewels of the city in that neighborhood in particular and it's a great opportunity to bring people together and we anticipate that a lot of folks will be excited and out and about when things normalize later this summer. we're glad to hear about leasing activities being strong. 82% is high, especially given the pandemic, especially relative to other major cities. i think the conversation around ridership trends would be useful data for the c.a.c. to see as well, because we do represent a number of different constituencies. a lot more data of people going
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in and out of cities so we can see how things are coming up. the c.a.c. gets excited about the data, but there is an opportunity to think about what more feedback we can be giving the center and board on the back of that information being shared. and, yeah, i'm happy to take questions and see if there is anything else. just the last thing i'll flag, you know, as a caltrain rider, has taken it for years, but not at all the last year, excited for things to normalize and excited to meet in person sometime, hopefully this year. >> chair gee: hopefully this year. hopefully, we can get back together. thank you for your report. directors, any questions? not seeing any. any public comment, donald? >> yes. first caller.
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>> hi, this is maybe a timing issue. this is jim patrick and relative to public comment, i want to call your attention to a letter that roland sent to the board and talking about major conceptual items and that letter was panned by really the san francisco metropolitan transportation agency. i believe this board needs to agendize his proposal. this is a strategic thing that could save billions. i don't know. certainly lots of money. and the fact that the board is choosing to sweep this notion under the table, i suggest it will have a lot of -- that if it comes out that the board failed to really look at a good policy just because it came from an independent person and not their staff, is a mistake.
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and that sort of leaks out and you end up with egg in your face. so i think the board is making a mistake doing what it's doing and you should ask mr. lebrun to make a presentation as an agendized item to this board. >> i believe it was a timing issue. i think you were trying to speak under public comment, item 7. so we'll consider that as part of item 7. any other public comment under the c.a.c. report? >> no, chair gee, that concludes comments for that item. >> thank you for the report. we appreciate it and thank you for your service on the committee. >> i'll go ahead. directors, item 7 is public comment an opportunity for members of the public to address matters that are not on today's agenda. please let in the first caller.
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hello, caller, please state your name, your two minutes begins now. >> perfect. hayden miller. wanted to talk about two things today. the first thing is public rest rooms in the transit center. it's very frustrating as a passenger to try and find out what rest rooms are open, especially right now. before it used to be that all the rest rooms would be open, but now, i don't know if there is a set schedule, make on the weekends it's different, but sometimes the restrooms on the bus deck are open, sometimes they're closed, sometimes one of the rest rooms in the park is open, sometimes they're closed. and you have to go down to the bus deck and it's confusing. so if -- preferably all the rest rooms would be open all the time, but if that's not possible, if there was a clear schedule that said when they were and not opened, would be appreciated. it's confusing right now.
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the second thing is transferring between muni to ac transit. as someone who gets off muni to the transit bus, it's frustrating that the all the muni buses sit on beale street for 5-10 minutes before turning into the transit center and it takes away from the regional connectivity. i think part of the issue is the transit center is not built for buses, at least the bottom portion. you get off the bus and you're in the middle of two buses in this tiny little one-foot gap. and you're squeezing in between the buses. this is not built for accessibility or transit users at all, it's just built to store a bunch of buses and it doesn't even have enough space to do that. so it's frustrating trying to transfer. it might be a scheduling issue or a design issue, but it really takes away from the connectivity as i said. thank you. >> thank you.
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>> please let in the second caller. hello, caller. please state your name. your two minutes begins now. >> good morning, roland, couple of housekeeping. keep having issues with mr. -- making the public comment -- but i'd like to follow up on mr. patrick's comment by summarizing the letter that i wrote to this board and the c.a.c. to be clear, the letter was created to the c.a.c. it was an 18-page response to a memo from the tjpa dated, i believe it was february 24 or something like that. and basically what i did i spent 40 hours summarizing 10 years of
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research primarily in europe and london in particular. the first comment is that the 20-year-old alignment proposed by the tjpa was never [indiscernible] . the third design makes it impossible to either board or exit the -- double length train because that train, that train is stuck, there is no platform for people to get off the train. the g.c. train is operating and the third tunnels are smaller than 200 feet tunnels. that is the reason why they're ignored on the alignment that makes sense. there is no way to drive through that alignment. that was a fatal flaw over 10 years ago. they also clearly totally unaware of the fire and safety
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practices. seven in two months. but the point that mr. patrick made. i have worked this alignment with multiple engineers and one said he can do this for less than a billion dollars. if this is fully funded if you work with the engineering and the entire -- [indiscernible] -- engineers. thank you. >> that concludes public comment. i'll call the next item. item 8, approving the fiscal year 2020-21 capital budget amendment number 1 to increase the phase 2 capital budget by $2,314,557 to 13,991,558 and increasing the overall budget
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from $90,626,061 to 92,940,618, aaron roseman will present. >> thank you. directors, you have in front of you today, the capital budget amendment number 1 to the phase 2 capital budget as donald read. the budget would increase from about $2.3 million to include additional dollars grant allocation. this request comes to you because the e.s.c. have recommended advancing the d.t.x. schedule to participate in the f.t.a., cig capital improvement new starts program from august 2024, moving to august 2023.
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our partners at sfmta have accepted our recommendations to -- and have pushed for the recommendation to accelerate the work program and to start the f.t.a. new starts program sooner. they've also advanced funds that were previously allocated to us in a different fiscal year. they're advancing it to the current fiscal year. fiscal year 2021. this additional funds allows us to support the work plan, move it forward, accelerate it and achieve the new start for august 2023. the sfmta board approved the advanced allocation at their board meetings march 9 and then again march 23rd. so we bring this request to you to advance the funding to provide in the budget so we can move the project forward. i'll take any questions if you
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have them. >> chair gee: thank you. looks like director shaw? >> d. shaw: thank you. i may have missed this -- thank you. i may have missed this. my only question is, i know this is speed up because we changed the schedule. just my general question is, does the overall funding stay the same and the budget stay the same, so it's just a matter of moving money from one phase to another? >> the allocation was 11 million and it spanned three conviction years, 20, 21, and 22. so the overall allocation stays the same. it takes dollars from 22 and moves it into 21 so we can work sooner. >> and i just didn't -- couldn't tell if from this by doing that our expenses are going to get more or less and how that all
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affected it. or overall, it's the same. >> the expenses are more in this fiscal year and i can't say that they'll be less next fiscal year [laughter]. >> okay. that was my question. >> but the allocation is still this finite amount. >> chair gee: thank you. any other questions from directors? >> good morning. i wonder if director gonzalez would like to speak to that last question, by moving the money up sooner, it does not change the overall contribution. that we'll be needing to come up with the funding for the next phase sooner. >> correct. so, i'm imagining we were going
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to cover some of this in 12 as well. with item 12 needing to go. that's correct. and this -- to answer director shaw's question, it does bring more money into the current fiscal year so we can advance work. we will need to get more money to meet the programs this fall. all of those steps will allow us to get into application of august 23 versus august 24. it's kind of the short of it without getting into too much detail. is that good? >> quickly, thank you. in the broader sense, though, i hesitate to say this because we
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have so many unknowns, but through this acceleration program i think we'll be able to pull the entire program forward in time and, thus, for the overall d.t.x., we should see -- and we're certainly working hard to see -- a reduction in the escalation costs that will accrue over time as the project is designed and constructed and brought into revenue service. >> that's a great point. because with every year of delay, i think we're estimated to be about $200 million. >> correct. >> chair gee: that's a big number. >> thank you. >> chair gee: other questions? comments from the directors? vice chair mandelman, on behalf of the board, thank you for advancing this funding. it's really appreciated. and given the legislative update we heard earlier this meeting, really important to make sure that d.t.x. is in line early for
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hopefully the infrastructure -- other grant opportunities that we heard this morning. so thank you very much. any other questions? any public comment before -- this is an item for action, so we need a motion and a second. before we get there, any public comment? >> at this time, there is no public comment. so is there a motion? >> i'll move the item, lipke. >> second, tumlin. >> chair gee: thank you. it's been moved and seconded. secretary, if you take the vote. >> yes, director chang? she's having connectivity issues. >> chair gee: let's come back to her before we conclude the vote. >> e. forbes: aye.
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>> b. lipkin: aye. >> d. shaw: aye. >> j. tumlin: aye. >> supervisor mandelman: -- >> looks like he's having audio. a thumb's up. >> thank you. that works. [laughter]. >> chair gee: aye. looks like director chang is back. >> aye. >> there are 7 ayes.
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>> chair gee: again, vice their thank you for your support and advancing the funding. really appreciate it. next item? >> directors, item 9 is presentation of the budget yacht look for fiscal year 21-22, operating debt service and capital budgets. >> thank you. before i get going on this, this is my last presentation to you all. i really appreciate all the time and energy you put into me, allowing me to present in front of you, to represent this organization, to represent all of you. it has been an honor and pleasure to work for tjpa. i love the project. i moved here for the project. and so i'm sad to go, but i appreciate all the opportunities. and loved the work that i've done here and opportunities that
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i've been able to create and moving the project forward. all the information is burned into my brain. i'll never forget it. and the project is in a special place in my heart. when i go to the east bay side i'll still look across the bay at the transit center and all the good work going on over here and will continue to advance in a reasonable sense the project. transit and the bay area. so, thank you for this opportunity. i really appreciate it. and so, i'll go ahead and start with my actual presentation. the budget yacht look for fiscal year 2021-22. so, for next -- this presentation is for next fiscal year's operating debt service and capital budgets. the capital budgets are phase 1. phase 2, tenant improvements.
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and a new capital improvement program. as we've come out of construction and into operations, it's incumbent on us to plan for the improvements and replacement for the transit center over the next 100 years of the facility. and so with this year's budget, 21-22, we'll introduce a capital improvement program for the transit center. the budget schedule overall starts with april. this budget outlook giving you a general idea of the revenue, expenses and major things we see going forward for this fiscal year. in may, we present to you a draft budget that gives you line item information, specific dollars, that you can refined. and then in june, we bring you to a line item budget for adoption for the next fiscal
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year. what we see so far in 21-22 for operations is the economy overall, you know, with all the vaccinations, we expect that the world will be opening back up in some form or fashion. we're not sure of the trajectory, but we're planning for a return ridership, increased traffic and looking to match what our operators, ridership numbers will provide. the revenue resources for operating are rn2. we're hopeful for rn3. some federal dollars, response relief active 2021. and then the new -- i think it's the acronym for the other federal relief. so we know for sure that there
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is dollars allocated for tjpa and we're thoughtful to the region and federal government for providing that. that contribution will support the operations. additionally, we're looking at operating revenues from retail leases as mr. updyke said. we have 83% leased and we have new tenants opening up -- or scheduled to open up regularly, so we're counting on those retail lease revenues to help support operations. additionally, we're looking at sponsorships and events. our naming rights, contract and advertising revenue, coming back in accordance with ridership opportunities. our revenue estimates are being refined daily, weekly, as we get more information about federal relief as we plan for the tenants resale leases opening up
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and as we get proposals and projections about advertising revenue. in terms of operating expenses for the transit center, we're trying to hold them consistent with what we presented in preliminary budget with, you know, some increase to that -- that matches the ridership and the activity that would come along with opening up this fall and next fiscal year. additionally, we've programmed and listened to you all about -- we have a new initiative included in the operational budget -- operational capital to enhance the way finding and capitalize on this opportunity of a little bit of down time at the transit center. so we've heard you. we're programming it and we're actively working with our partners at m.t.c. and m.t.a.
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and looking for ways to fund it now that we have a plan of the phase 1 lower case production that was given to you. we have that plan and we're trying to actively implement the first year of it. in the operating budget, salaries and expenses for tjpa, we allocate our admin expenses across operations and capital. prorated based on job responsibility. so if there is a position that is only operations, then it is solely funded in operations. if it's a shared position, such as the c.f.o., then it's prorated across each budget. for the debt service budget, it is dictated by the debt schedule from the 2020 bond. it is funded from increment revenue. the net tech increment revenue has been pledged for the bonds
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and can only be used for debt service. we anticipate the principal and interest payments to be $14 million for this fiscal year, however, if there is additional tech revenue, that revenue goes to -- mandatory redeem the turbo bonds that were sold. and so whatever net tech increment revenue comes in, it will be spent on debt service. the next budget is capital budget. the capital budget includes phase 1. phase 1 is just construction claims, closeout and legal fees. we expect that there is no more activity other than just tying up loose ends in phase 1. we still program the expenses -- those expenses for phase 1. then there is phase 2, as we've keated. we're trying -- indicated. we're trying to advance the f.t.a. new start from 2024 to
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2023. so we've been working actively with all of our partners to develop all the expenses and come up with a good projection for what we need for phase 2 to meet that accelerated work plan. of course, there are tjpa admin expenses that were prorated and professional services, such as legal, financial consultants, that go along with tjpa addmen. and then there is tenant improvement capital budget. we have nine unleased spaces. some of them still require build-out and then support of the tenants moving in. so we'll program the remaining dollars that had been previously allocated for tenant improvement to finish off that work and support the tenants moving in and the transit center being fully leased and occupied.
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and then finally, there is the new capital improvement program. so, from our leasing agreements with our operators and as just good business, good practice, we should have a capital improvement program that programs out life cycle re-pearce and replacement -- repairs, replacement and maintenance. it's a $2 billion facility. we know it will cost $2 billion to replace it and each of the component parts need to be replaced. this is the programming out of things that we know. it would be doors, glasses, fans, heat pumps. based on their life cycle, which is five years, seven years, or the longevity it. we're programming it out over the 10-year period -- at least for the first 10 years and then providing that information to the operators and everyone so we
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can develop -- come up with a finite number for fiscal year 21-22 and fiscal year going forward. we understand our capital replacement needs. and then i believe that covers all of the budget categories. i'll be happy to take any questions from you all. if you'd like more information about any of this particular budget. >> chair gee: thank you for the report. and this is an information item for the board. there is no action required today. the ultimate action will be in june as we go through the process of working with our partners and the transit properties. and it's great to have the federal funding help so that our partners don't need to take care of their challenges with their budget. so thank you. directors, any questions for erin?
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>> this is director shaw. i do have one question that i'm not sure she can really answer. but i know next month we'll be looking at the preliminary, so we're trying to plan our budget also for next year, so just trying to get an understanding of what you might have some information for staff. not necessarily for us to approve, but for staff to make sure -- or maybe you're already in contact with them to make sure it's all included in the budget. >> director shaw, in january, we provided a preliminary operating budget to the board and to ac transit and sfmta. we work closely with your c.f.o.s and budget directors in each of the agencies to make sure we're on the same page. nd you a all have a starting point that we try to stay close to as we keep going, so that you have an idea of how much the contribution could be. >> so that doesn't change much, you're saying? i remember look at the number in
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january, but i wasn't sure if the funding was going to help that. you're saying, no, still plan on -- >> the overall budget was $26.1 million i believe for january with the contribution from ac transit and sfmta around the 6-million dollar amount. we expect to get $3 million from carissa and we would reduce the contributions so the two agencies -- until we keep going through the process. i can't tell you exactly how much your contribution will be reduced, but we expect a reduction for both agencies. >> good. so the bottom line, we don't have to plan for more. >> we might even get to plan for less, which is great. director tumlin? >> j. tumlin: i just wanted to say the most important part of our duties here as board members
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is our fiduciary responsibility. the last -- i would say the last year in general, but for the tjpa, the last three or four years have been a time of unprecedented budget and financial challenge. and i just want to thank you for your clear communication. the way you have been able to explain the reality of the situation in plain terms that we, and the public, can understand. it makes our responsibilities a lot easier to fulfill. so thank you for that. >> thank you. >> director tumlin, thank you for those comments. any other comments or questions from directors? >> i have a comment. i want to reiterate director tumlin's thanks to you and you're a consummate professional, you've done a great job for us and oakland is lucky to have you.
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we'll miss you. >> b. lipkin: i wanted to also echo the comments from the other board members and say, thank you for your hard work. in terms of the bond refinancing as well as the difficult budgeting that we've had to do in light of the pandemic. and wish you well and good luck working in oakland i. you may be working with one of our board members, director ruskin, who is over there. i'm sure you'll do great work for him and them over there. i want to wish you well. >> chair gee: any others? >> i just want to also add my thanks and our thanks from the transportation authority. not only for the work that was just mentioned, but also setting up d.t.x. for the next phase. thank you so much for that. >> thank you, director chang. anyone else?
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i can't see everybody fast enough. >> chair gee, if i can have an opportunity? i did want to thank erin for the work she's done for the agency, but also for the work she's actually doing for us for the next fiscal year. she's actually done a great job of setting us up with us working on the preliminary in january and then getting right into the budget for the july 1 budget. we started early and we're in -- putting us in pretty good shape -- actually she probably -- we promised, we had a pact before she leaves tomorrow, we'll have a draft budget. you won't see it until may, but i wanted to appreciate her for the hard work and getting that done and the team getting the information she needed. and we are going to miss her.
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she's only across the bay, though. she's still programmed into my phone. and i get it. she was born over there. she had to go back. and we are going to miss her. mary prior is here with us. i know the board is familiar with mary. mary worked closely with erin and will be here next month to present the budget that erin has tidied up for us. mary, i'm not sure if your camera is working, but they've been working close and have a good transition plan. hi, mary. >> hi. i'm really excited about the opportunity. i'm definitely going to miss erin, but i also have her phone number and i'm looking forward to working with you all. >> chair gee: welcome, mary. good to see you. thank you. erin, thank you for your service. it has been a challenging year
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and having clarity on our budget and where we're going is krill and you've done a great job in explaining it to the board and the public where we are and where we're headed, so thank you very much for that. and i think you've been very understated -- one of the greatest things you did was the bond refinancing to lower our debt service. and that's really helped our budget going forward. and as everyone has said, you're not very far and so i think if we really needed to, i think at least director shaw might be able to arrange transportation from east bay to san francisco if we need to. thank you for all of that. going forward, at the next presentation, i think one of the things we talked about earlier in the january presentation was to keep an eye on the ongoing delays with the arm 3 funding. and how we are spending reserves
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in absence of the rn3 funding. so i want us to keep an eye on that and not be surprised, because i don't know if anyone knows when that litigation will be resolved one way or the other. it's just an unknown at this point. so, i think if i recall correctly, we're spending some of our reserves in absence of that funding. >> you're correct. >> chair gee: keep an eye on that. maybe at the may update, let's take a look at what that looks like. >> absolutely, will do. >> chair gee: any other questions from the directors? donald, any public comment? >> yes, moderator, please let in the first caller. caller, please state your name. your two minutes starts now. >> thank you, roland. i wanted to say a quick goodbye to erin and thank her so much. and when i heard she was leaving
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on tuesday night, i went, oh, my god, she took me up on the offer to work, what did she do? i'm really happy to hear she is going to oakland and we'll keep seeing her and she's in a good environment. thank you, erin, bye for now. >> chair gee: thank you. >> that concludes public comment. directors, item 10 is authorizing the board chair to execute a professional services agreement with cps h.r. consulting for executive recruitment services for one-year term and with an option to extend the term for six additional months and an amount not to exceed $28,500. >> good morning, you have before you today a recommendation to enter a contract with cpsh.r.
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consulting to recruit a permanent executive director. in response to an r.f.p., the selection committee scored d.p.s. most highly. among other things, the committee was impressed by the firm's deep and broad experience in recruiting senior positions for public agencies throughout california, as well as the nation, and a particular emphasis on transit agencies. cps has been engaged by several of the tjpas partner and sister agencies, including the recent successful placement of m.t.c. executive director and general counsel position. the firm has concluded a successful placement for a.c. transit. pursuant to the tjpa's procurement policy, typically a contract of this variety and size would be approved by the
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executive director without the need for further action by the board, but to preserve appearance and no appearance of impropriety we decided to bring this to the board for approval. the executive director has removed herself from the process. i would be happy to answer questions. but you have before you a staff report as well as the selection committee report. >> thank you for the report. directors, any questions? this item is for action. we need a motion. any public comment? >> there is no public comment. is there a motion? >> i move to approve. this is director shaw. >> chair gee: second? >> i'll make a second. >> chair gee: thank you. donald, take the vote please. >> yes, director chang? >> aye.
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>> e. forbes: aye. >> b. lipkin: aye. >> d. shaw: aye. >> j. tumlin: aye. vice chair mandelman? >> aye. >> chair gee: aye. there are 7 ayes. before we go on, i'd like to say thank you, directors, for your support on this. we'll be moving forward earnestly in the recruitment effort. i'd like to thank vice chair mandelman and director shaw for agreeing to serve as an ad hoc to work with the recruiters. full speed ahead. thank you in advance. i think we're scheduling meetings as we're speaking right now to keep going. hopefully, we can get the
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process moving quickly. mr. secretary? >> directors, item 11 is approving the recommended applicant to the tjpa citizens advisory committee to fill the remaining seats. representing the diversity of the bay area, the c.a.c. includes 15 members serving for a period of two years for three consecutive years. the terms are staggered, but [indiscernible] last month, i came before you to recommend seven members appointed to the c.a.c. which you all approved. as you may recall, we had one open seat left to fill and we extended the recruitment for an additional two weeks to find applicants qualified for the
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daily ac transit rider. we worked with partners at ac transit with director shaw to get the word out about the open seat. we reached out to advocates and announced on the social media platform. they conducted and promotion on the social media. as a result, we're happy to see the richmond mayor and the city included in their news announcement. during this extended recruitment cycle, we received four applications with three qualifying for the ac transit seat. after reviewing all application, staff recommends clare as a new member to fill the daily ac transit rider in the san
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francisco seat to complete the 2021 recruitment cycle. clare is actually with us on phone in case you have any questions for her. i'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. thank you. >> thank you for the report. directors, any questions. director shaw, thank you for your support and assistance in the recruitment effort. appreciate it. this is an item for action. before we take that, is there any public comment? >> i believe director shaw -- >> >> d. shaw: i was just going to make a motion to approve. >> there is no public comment, so a first by director shaw. >> second. >> thank you, director forbes. >> director chang? >> aye. >> e. forbes: aye. >> b. lipkin: aye.
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>> d. shaw: aye. >> j. tumlin: aye. >> chair gee: aye. there are seven ayes. item 11 is approved. >> chair gee: thank you for raising our hand and congratulations. thank you very much. >> directors, item 12 is approving the acceleration modification to the comprehensive work plan for the d.t.x. and project director well present. >> thank you. chair, directors, i really am excited to present this today. we often say that, but i really if. i wanted to start by extending
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my appreciation on behalf of the d.t.x. project to the team, the steering committee and particularly sfmta directors as well as the staff and executive director chang for their help in getting us to this point. jason, if we could move on to the next slide. as donald described, this is a request to approve an acceleration modification. specifically the master schedule for the d.t.x. this work is funded through an additional release of what we're calling ntp2a from the sfcta, which they unanimously approved at their march 23rd meeting in the amount of $6.21 million. some of the attributes will allow us to -- in august of 23,
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subject to future funding, for the project, this gets us on the way. the work also helps us rationalize the technical work over the next 12 months to help level the amount of work that needs to be done. so that we have reduced risk of delay. it also, as was mentioned earlier in the legislative update, really helps us prepare for whatever comes our way in terms of opportunities for funding through the federal congressional actions taking place and the biden infrastructure plan. we made sure to identify work that would be valuable and required and regardless of the phasing study recommendations and the decisions that the board will making this summer when we bring the phasing study to you about potential items that could be deferred to the future for the project. and it also leverages our d.t.x.
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resources an partnerships across the efc in a way that advances the project more quickly. the work is focused in four areas that i will quickly review. that include program documents and management plans, risk analysis and mitigation, project delivery tasks and preliminary engineering. and these slides should look familiar to you because esc chair chang and i shared these with you briefly at last month's scheduled update. so quickly, with respect to programmatic documentation, you can see a series of plans and studies here on the slide that are all geared toward good solid project management as well as teeing us us a to the project development phase of the process and we plan to do that this
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fall. in addition to that, we want to ramp up the risk analysis process. we've already started by updating our historic risk matrix working with the innovative program management team, but we want to go into a more structured program of a risk workshop, conduct a qualitative risk analysis of the various elements of the project and we have more than 150 risk areas that we are tracking and mitigating we speak. and to make sure we identify risks, to develop mitigation plans for it and to implement those mitigation plans with specific aassignments or specific individuals or teams on the project. a third area associated with the acceleration is the project delivery program.
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we are commencing right now a task to evaluate alternative mechanisms to deliver the design and construction of the project. and these would range from what you might call traditional design build models through construction management at risk and other mechanisms including the potential public-private partnership structure. we'll be working through that study in partnership with sfmta to develop recommendations to bring to you toward the end of the year. the final work area, if you go to the next slide, would be to advance some of the engineering. we've identified three specific areas. utilities, the stub design, the west end of the project as well as updating the geotechnical
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information that would be used to support the tunnel design and construction. i want to reiterate that all of the design work will add value and be important to the project regardless of decisions made by you, the board, regarding the phasing study. i just wanted to briefly touch and refresh your memory on the development process because it is obviously directly related to the acceleration proposal. we're in the advanced planning stage right now and making very good progress towards what we expect to be an entry into project development this fall subsequent to the completion of the phasing study and the work associated with this acceleration plan should you approve it. subsequently, we will go into the engineering phase and then move toward our full funding
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grant request, which is advanced from 2023, 2024 -- subject to this approval. we will need to identify additional funding as we go into project development. and i think that erin previewed for you some of the work that we're doing to get ready to do that. but this is the process we will be going through. there are obviously many steps along the way with this acceleration program. it is an important milestone to get us there. with that, directors, that completes my report. i'm happy to answer any questions. >> chair gee: thank you for the presentation. directors, any questions on the presentation? this is an item for action, so we'll take a motion and a second later, but let's deal with questions. i have a couple but would like
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to defer to the directors first. i'm not seeing any raised hands. if anyone wants to jump, jump in. >> seeing none. >> chair gee: director chang, thank you also for your hard work. i have a question on maybe section 7, governance and oversight. i was curious about where this project overlaps with maybe the blue ribbon task force being led by the m.t.c. and if it's even in the radar of the blue ribbon task force? do you know? or interim executive director might help out on that, too. >> lily has been participating with the blue ribbon task force. i know we have not. go ahead. >> yeah. thank you, chair gee for the question.
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my understanding is the blue ribbon task force is not looking at anything related to tjpa or d.t.x. governance. director tumlin is very active and a member of that task force, so i can defer to him. we have a task that is a governance task and it's led by m.t.c. and our agency. it's to look at who might be the appropriate lead for whatever methods we end up choosing. they're looking at different options for ensuring that we have coordination going into the phases. >> chair gee: thank you. there are so many different conversations going on in the region between assembly bills, seamless bay area, the blue ribbon task force, talking about governance, procurement, project delivery. it's hard to keep track of who is on first, who is on second
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and who is included. so i don't know where the conversations are going to end up, so i think it's important to keep track of it. stephen, there has been advocacy to change the routing of d.t.x. i think one of the guiding principles in the memorandum of understanding is to follow the rod and then meet the documents. if this board wanted to change the routing of d.t.x., what would that do to your work plan? >> we would need to step back in a very significant way, because as you point out, the record of decision was approved by federal transit administration, certified by the tjpa board and establishes a physical footprint for the project and it establishes effects, impacts and
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mitigations where those impacts are significant that we must incorporate into our design operation and construction as appropriate. were we to move outside of that footprint in a significant way, we would have to go back, i believe, and do an additional supplemental environmental document moving significantly off the footprint i think would require us probably to go back as far potentially as scoping. so it would be, i believe, a multi-year impact to our schedule, to replan the project and that, of course, couldn't be done in a vacuum. there are many, many stakeholders. the city, private businesses homeowners, depending on the route chosen that would be affected. they would have to be involved in the conversation. federal transit would step back
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from the existing decision of course and we would have to involve them, assuming that we were still seeking federal participation. so, i think it would be at best a multi-year impact to our schedule. >> chair gee: thank you. director chang? >> great. chair, i completely concur with interim executive director comments there and would encourage us to really stay the course here. this is something that we're looking at through the phasing and operations studies. there could be potentially minor configurations changes that would come out of that. i don't want to speculate. we're in the middle of that work right now, but it's paramount we maintain our schedule and we stick with the decision which was studied extensively in the
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past. >> chair gee: thank you. any other questions or comments? i'm not seeing anything. can you help me out? anything? we do have at least one public comment. >> we have a member of the public, but i'm not seeing the directors wishing to make any comments at this time. >> chair gee: okay. let's take the public comment. >> oh, director lipkin. >> b. lipkin: you know, i just want to ask the question, make a comment on acceleration. stephen, can we talk quickly about what the acceleration means in terms of lock in the federal share of the project and basically my question is, do we feel confident that we will have enough information of design done, enough work completed to have confidence in locking in the federal share on that accelerated time line? >> director lipkin, thank you. yes, that is the plan.
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part of our follow-on work, you recall the last slide that i had that showed the f.t.a. project development, was that we are going to move subject to available funding and that is certainly a challenge here -- we're going to move into project development to continue our update of the 30% design that was done associated with the supplemental environmental impact statement and report back in 2018. to update that, to update the cost estimate, we'll have incorporated your direction, your board's direction on the phasing study that we get from yo i hope, this summer, so we'll have a strong estimate that has been subjected to a risk analysis, as well as we enter the project development process, we'll also have a federal project management
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oversight consultant assigned to the project who will do an independent review of our cost estimate. so that is most definitely the plan to have an estimate before we lock it in. >> great. thank you. >> i might add one thing. >> director chang? >> i think she's having connectivity issues. >> [indiscernible] director chang, your connectivity is a little -- >> i'm sorry.
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okay. i don't think my internet is ready for this. i'll make a motion. >> we can hear you. >> we have the public comment before we get there, director chang. >> okay. just wanted to mention that the link 21 coordination has been a great benefit in this time frame. and so we -- the work plan will, i think -- [indiscernible] -- >> i think she's going to say that it's going to continue to benefit the collaboration to ensure that our project does not prevent their project from continuing to move forward. so the work we've done and a lot of the work we've already done has been helpful to them. i believe that's what she was trying to get at. >> chair gee: i believe that is a great team effort there. so thank you.
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let's take the public comment now. >> please let in the first caller. >> hello, caller, please state your name. your two minutes begins now. >> thank you, chair gee for posing the question of the alignment. with regard to director chang's concern, i think this is can be easily addressed. you let the tjpa carry on the accelerated path whatever that may be, but you initiate another path, another opportunity and at the end of the day everybody can decide this is where we should be going. one thing a lot of people are overlooking, the engineering of the alignment is way, way ahead of anything anybody might think. 6-7 years into that project looking at issues and addressing them. with regard to the blue ribbon task force, there is discussions
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about mega project delivery, my recommendation was to set up a group that would be looking just at that, but starting -- starting the work at the conceptual design level. and wrap up, my recommendation. look at this project, look at all the -- that are -- [indiscernible] -- and one of the best people of the world who are capable of developing animation are going to show you in realtime month after month the impact that this project is going to be on soma. especially in the 2nd street area and the 7th area. you're going to find these mega trench that starts at mission creek and goes you know halfway
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down townsend street. muni is supposed to be operating in this condition. when you do, you will discover that it was never an option, because there are no impacts at that point in time by the time they reach 7,000. and at that point you're going to have -- whether we carry on all the way to the transit center. believe or not, we can get it done in two years, construction time for the infrastructure. and the sooner we get started, the better. thank you. >> chair gee: thank you. any other public comment? >> yes, can you let in the second caller. >> hello, caller. please state your name. two minutes begins now. >> this is jim patrick, patrick and company. this is support what roland said but in a different slant.
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this conceptual plan, i go back to my files, five, six, maybe even eight years old. there is nothing new about this idea. it's just chosen to be rejected for a long period of time. and i think the board is going to have egg in their face when they discover they're leaving billions of dollars on the table. what can i say? the notion, well, it's already said and done. it's a good argument, but a very expensive argument. so, they missed this point all the way along. this whole public comment notion, no member of the public has a chance to interface with the staff to try to make something better. if you have an outside member of the public trying to bring an idea into the board, you say, you've got two minutes. billions of dollars deserve more than two minutes. thank you.
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>> chair gee: thank you. any other callers? >> that concludes public comment for this item. is there a motion? >> chair gee: director chang, did you want to make the motion? >> happy to move the item. and i put comments in the chat. i apologize for my poor internet. >> chair gee: thank you for making the motion. is there a second? >> second, tumlin. >> chair gee: thank you. donald, vote please? >> director chang? >> aye. >> e. forbes: aye. >> b. lipkin: aye. >> d. shaw: aye. >> j. tumlin: aye. mandelman aye. >> chair gee: aye. there are 7 ayes. item 12 is approved. >> chair gee: thank you.
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directors, item 13 is approving the meeting minutes of march 11, 2021 meeting. >> chair gee: is there a motion? >> i make a motion. >> not seeing any public comment. with that first by director forbes and a second by tumlin. thank you. director chang? >> aye. >> e. forbes: aye. >> b. lipkin: aye. -- i'm going to abstain. i wasn't at the last meeting and haven't had a chance to review the video. >> d. shaw: aye. >> j. tumlin: aye. mandelman aye. >> chair gee: aye. there are six ayes. item 13 is approved.
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directors, i believe that concludes the business before you today. >> chair gee: after a full agenda, approving the minutes at the very end seems anti-climatic, but that concludes our business. thank you, everyone, for your time today. see you next month. meeting adjourned. take care, be well.
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