tv Face the Nation CBS February 21, 2016 10:30am-11:30am EST
nation," donald trump rolls on after the showdown in south carolina. and hillary clinton rebounds to score a win in nevada. >> thank you, nevada. dickerson: clinton manages to hold off the late challenge from bernie sanders in the silver state as her battle moves forward. >> some may have doubted us but we never doubted each other. >> dickerson: the republican field shrinks, after pushing and shoving in south carolina leads to big win for donald trump. >> let's go. let's have a big win in nevada. let's have a big win. let's put this thing away. >> dickerson: a virtual tie for second place between marco rubio and ted cruz and loss for jeb bush. >> the people of iowa and new hampshire and south carolina have spoken i respect their decision. tonight i am suspending my campaign.
top three finishers in south carolina plus bernie sanders and john kasich all coming up on "face the nation." make i'm john dickerson. runners with hillary clinton finishing ahead of bernie margin. donald trump came up with a big win in south carolina. where he finished with% of the vote. marco rubio and ted cruz battled it another for second separated by just a thousand votes. jeb bush pin finished a distant fourth and ended his campaign we have four republican presidential candidates we go first to donald trump who joins us from west palm beach. mr. trump, is it now your nomination to lose? >> i don't think so. look, i'm dealing with very, very talented people, smart people, good people. i think they will be competing, i had great victory yesterday in south carolina. it was amazing.
the size of the victories i think were incredible. yesterday i won every delegate. i won all seven congressional districts on top of having a big margin. that was a great victory. atlanta. then i go to nevada where i'll be for a couple of days i have lot of property out there, lot of great employees. nevada. >> dickerson: if you get the nomination you'd be shocked? >> well, i wouldn't be shocked. look again i'm competing against professional politicians, senators, top of the line. ben carson is still in he's a terrific guy and a talented guy. i'm competing against a lot of really good people. i don't want to say it's mine. certainly i'm leading, there's no question about that. we've got long way to go. >> dickerson: marco rubio said now that the campaign is in this phase you have to be more specific about your foreign policy vision and knowledge.
knowledge of foreign policy, frankly. despite what some people said i was always against the war in iraq, lot of people weren't. they just got on this bandwagon recently because it was a disaster. i had great knowledge of military and i think i have better vision for syria than lot of so-called great military geniuses saying to fight the war with syria. and my opinion they're doing just the opposite, going to start world war three over syria be there for the next 40 years. we've whether b there for 15 years in the middle east much more than that probably. we've spent probably $4 trillion maybe more than that. it's time to do something about it. and it's time to also knock isis out. you have to knock isis out. >> dickerson: let me ask you about your position on the iraq war. you've referred to that a lot. everybody has gone through the things you said. seems like a lot more muted your opposition to the war, everybody knows when you say something
on iraq it was a little bit more muddled than you've been making it seem. >> well, john, you have to understand i wasn't a politics, i hadn't even thought of being a politics, nobody every talked to me about the war. not like now where every day you're being asked questions about things. i spoke with howard stern who is a friend of mine on his show. and this was many months before, he was talking about, yeah, i don't know, i was thinking about it. i didn't even think about it. when the war start, actually joe scarborough called yesterday and put something out where basically is on my side, that was early on, that was before the fact it was very early on. he interviewed me years ago at the very beginning that was just put out yesterday evening i thank joe for that. look, i was against it. i was against it very early. and we shouldn't have been in there. i think it is probably perhaps the worst mistake we've ever made. first of all, they didn't knock
wasn't iraq, it was other people. without mentioning names, it was other people. some day open the report and find out. but it was other people that knocked down the world trade center. so, no reason to go into a big thing now. it was a horrible mistake that unfortunately we should never have done we lost trillions of dollars, thousands of lives, wounded warriors who are all over the place and here is the other part. iran is taking offeree a. they wanted it for decades and decades. they're taking it over. as you sit there and as i sit here, they are going in taking over, just walk in they can do whatever they want they are already taken it over. >> dickerson: last week when the pope made his remark about your christianity, no leader especially religious should have right to question another man easy ridge on or faith. just last week you questioned ted cruise's christianity several time in the course of the campaign might have helped you win south carolina. why is it okay for you not okay
>> , no i never questioned ted's ted's -- anything having to do with his religion. i just said you can't lie and hold up a bible. you can't do that. just can't do that it's not appropriate. i was tough on him. because things were said abut me that were not true and marco rubio said that he lied, i've never seen a politician say to another politician that he lied. i guess it happens. but what marco actually gave me cover because he actually said the same thing, he said it during the debate that he was lying. i just said you can't say things which are lies and claim christianity you just can't do it. i don't think it's good. i'm not questioning his christianity i think it's inappropriate to hold up the bible and lie. >> dickerson: do you think the pope actually may have helped you in south carolina? >> i'm asked that question so much. first, i was in state of shock because i've never seen the pope talk about something as unimportant as donald trump.
about me? this can't be happening, is it good or bad? they said it's bad. this was day before the election. i asked the pope is saying bad thing about me the day before the election? then i gathered myself and i realized that it had to do with illegal immigration. that he was opposed to my measures which is basically creating a border. and i came out very strongly that we want a border and the mexican government probably convinced him that donald trump was saying not nice things about the border. i think it worked out well. i don't think it was a positive, though. i think it was probably neutral. i don't think it was negative but could have been a tremendous negative. turned out to be probably i don't think it was -- the pope is very nice, by the way. yesterday the pope issued a very nice statement and i appreciated >> dickerson: we'll have to leave it there, mr. trump. thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you very much. dickerson: we go now to nashville and senator marco rubio. senator, you're saying that it's
that means to get to the donald trump. is that just going to happen or do you have to make that happen? >> you have to make that happen. but part of the dynamic up to this point is donald has been in the mid 30s to low 30s high 20s in most polls then 70% says we're not voting for him. but they're divided up. that five or seven people continues to narrow down going to make the race clearer and clear: still have the then vote. there are people supporting donald trump that we believe we can win over as well. so it is a smaller race than it was last night. i think practically speaking it is down to three people who are still running full scale national campaign. i have tremendous respect for governor carson i know he's going to stay in the race and john kasich is out there basically going to spend week in michigan make that his priority. today alone we'll be in three states and continue to come pain everywhere. we feel really good about this coalescing. of course anyone wants to join
website marcorubio.com. we need your help. >> dickerson: how are you going to take those voters away from donald trump. what is your argument? >> i think here is the argument i'm very realistic about the hall thanks we face. i've seen it up close in 2010 i ran for the senate five years ago. i've only been there five years but it's been enough time to know the damage barack obama has done to this country. i'm realistic, and optimistic about our future. a few things if we do them we'll have the greatest air rain our history. i think that is important. if i running to be president of the united states can't just tell people you're going to make america great again, i think you need to begin exactly how you're going to do it policy wise. we're not going to win the general election with candidate that refuses to detail policy. obviously donald still has time then we can have policy debate about whose ideas are better. i honestly believe that once people begin to understand what's at stake here that we have a chance here not just to make our country great but greater than it's ever been.
i that i is going to influence a lot of voters not to mention coalesce those maybe with someone else first. >> dickerson: you want mr. trump to be more specific, offer more policies, people have been asking abut that for him for months. the polls show that voters seem to be flocking to him because he's the stronger candidate on issues of national security. are people wrong about that? how do you convince them they're not right to be for trump because he's stronger? >> well, i think strong rhetoric and strong action are two separate things. anyone can use tough words, anyone can go over the top say things that sound strong. but sounding strong is not enough. you have to know exactly how you're going to do it. if you look at some of the policies he's talked about, they would not make america stronger. his views on vladimir putin are troubling, i don't think he's fundamentally understands who he is or what he's trying to do. these are the kinds of things that i think in detail need to understand. when you're the commander in chief you're the commander in chief on day one. you don't get like six-month
the world doesn't just stop, let's wait until the president catches up before we start challenging america. you got to know what you're doing on your very first day there. this is not an attack or anything that have nature, just very sim pep observation, if you want to be pad you have to start detailing some specific public policy and i don't think from this point forward in the campaign voters will be as tolerant of the lack of that as they have been up to now. >> dickerson: would you expect to see specific policy on? >> on everything. on health care. we all agree we're going to repeal obamacare what but is it i.t. going to be replaced with. again, on issues of energy. how are we going to utilize our energy resources, what is the role of federal government in higher education. what kind of justices would you appoint to the supreme court not just because we have vacancy now but at least one or two potentially in the next four to eight years. virtually every major issue that
natural per view of the federal government, have some specificity of what you're going to do if you want to be president. up to this point it hasn't been a huge factor but it will be. let me say this, the democrats, neb would you husband about these things they're going to eat our lunch in november. we have to at this timely have someone ready to go that can win because we cannot lose this election. president. politics. three contests, you have yet to win one. is there a daneer that everybody's second choice? >> no, i don't think so. because as i explained earlier when you have seven or eight people competing for the same chunk of votes it's a lot of votes. but if you have sech or eight people it's all segmented. now that the race begins to narrow you have clear indication. as we look at this race we understood that this narrowing had to happen before the winner take all states that will begin in the middle of march. we feel good about the states we're going into and process to win delegates. we're in good shape. got to keep working hard.
with us, senator marco rubio. >> thank you. dickerson: next up from columbia, south carolinas texas senator ted cruz. you said last night your campaign was defying expectations in south carolina. wasn't the expectation that you should have done better in south carolina given that large share of conservatives in the state and very large share of those who self identified as evangelical christians? >> you know, john, if you look at the first three primaries we started in iowa where all of the media said we didn't have a chance, we couldn't win. we won overwhelming victory in iowa with a big margin. we went on to new hampshire, all the media said a conservative could not compete in a moderate new england state. we won very strong third place finish in new hampshire. then we went to south carolina. where a week ago donald trump had a 20-point dominating lead, ended up closing that gap tremendously and finishing with effectively tied for second place. and that combination, what that
point we've seen the race, the field narrow dramatically and from is only one strong conservative who has a path to winning that is having the affect of unifying conservatives nationally and keying us up for nevada especially super tuesday, that was always our plan, do well in the first three states then compete and have very strong night. we're ideally positioned to do exactly that. >> dickerson: you made the case that you're the only candidate who can unite the diverse parts of the conservative coalition but when you look inside the exit polls, you do very well with those who identify as strongly conservative but you have trouble in the other areas. how are you going to solve that problem? >> one of the very encouraging things we saw in the exit polls we young people. we were in first place among young people in south carolina. it's interesting because we also won young people in iowa and we took second among young people in new hampshire. if you can stitch together that kind of coalition with young
conservatives and evangelicals and i'll tell you in iowa we also won reagan democrats, working class voters. as you know, john, historically in order to have chance to win the nomination you have to win one of the first three states. there are only two people that have done that. donald trump and me. and one of the things we're seeing is across the country, there are a lot of republicans who think donald trump is not the right guy to go head to head with hillary clinton, that we probably lose that match up. about 70% of republicans believe that. we're seeing people come together behind our campaign because we're the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and that can beat donald trump. you can't beat donald trump from the left. you can't beat donald with a candidate who is supported amnesty. donald wins that head to head. head to head with me question beat donald trump by 16 points and so what we're seeing, john, is incredible. people all over the country are
980,000 contribution we want a strong conservative. we want someone who can beat hillary and i beat hillary and donald sadly the polling shows doesn't. >> dickerson: let me ask you a question abut evangelical voters in north carolina, they went for donald trump over you. do you think that he he questioned your christianity during the course of the south carolina campaign? >> there's no doubt that both donald and marco got very personal, got very nasty. and both of them when you point to their records, they follow the same pattern, they scream liar, liar, they attack your character, as you know from the very beginning of this campaign nearly a year now, i have consistently refused to respond in kind. i'm not going to impugn anyone's their character. in fact i will happily praise both donald trump and marco rubio as men who i admire, as people i'm not going to go personal with them. but i do think we should be
if you want a candidate who opposes amnesty, who opposes citizenship for the 12 million people here illegal loo i'm the only candidate who opposes that. if you want candidate who is led the fight against obamacare, who will lift the burdens on small businesses and bring back jobs, i'm the only candidate in the race with that proven record. if you want candidate to defend life and marriage and religious liberty and second amendment and appoint strong constitutionalists to the court. that's why conservatives are uniting behind our campaign. if they want to continue with the attacks that's their prerogative. we'll stay focused on the substance. i think that that the voters want and what they deserve. >> dickerson: the question of immigration and building a wall, you want the same thing. but he's had a lot of experience in the business world executing, gettings things done in the businessman, what would you say to a voter who said, okay, you may share the same goals with donald trump on this, but you lack that experience of having
private sector. >> well, listen, i have joked more than once on the campaign trail that i'm going to build a wall. and i have somebody in mind to build it. there's no doubt that if you want to building contract or donald would be a strong contender for that. the question we have here is who is a leader on this issue. back in 2013 when we were having the epic battle on amnesty, when marco rubio joined up with barack obama and harry reid to push amnesty i led the fight against it standing shoulder to shoulder with jeff sessions and steve king and millions of americans, donald trump was no where to be found. he was tweeting support for amnesty just couple of years ago even now if you ask donald he wants to give citizenship to the illegally. he wants to deport them let them come right back in. if you're a hard working steel worker or truck driver, that drives down your wages, that takes away your jobs. i think we need to be fighting for the working member and women
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>> dickerson: democratic primary in south carolina is saturday, senator bernie sanders joins us from columbia, south carolina. i want to start with south carolina primary you said you have excellent chance on super tuesday but are you skipping over your chances in south carolina? >> well, john, i'm talking to you from columbia, south carolina, we have major rally, we're not skipping over anything. but i think that after south carolina we have 11 states, we stand a good chance of winning a number of those states. we think we have a whole lot of -- we lost yesterday in nevada by five points. behind. if you look at the national polls, those are tightening up, some cases we're ahead nationally. i think people around this country are responding to our
finance system and broken criminal justice system. i'm feeling quite good. >> dickerson: how should people judge the sanders' campaign as you said you've come a long way, your message has influenced hillary clinton a great deal. but should people say, where are some big wins for bernie sanders or should they say, this is a message campaign and let the message continue through the contest. >> no, this is not a message campaign. we're in this race to win. i think on super tuesday, for example, you'll see major victories, john, as you know, most people know, that these are primary elections and caucus elections are proportional. that means that it's not winner take all. hillary clinton and nevada got 19 delegates we got 15 delegates we need 2400 to win. it's a state by state process. we are going to win some big states i think on super tuesday. >> dickerson: in the cbs poll
thought hillary clinton had the right experience to be president. only about 10% said you had the right experience. how do you change that feeling? >> well, i think remember when we started this campaign, hillary clinton is almost universally known. she was a first lady, she was secretary of state, she was a senator. i am a senator from the very small state and great state of vermont. not a lot of people know me or my experience. my 25 years in congress, eight years as mayor of the city of burlington. we got to get that word out. i think we are making progress, we have long way to go. people also have got to understand the agenda that we are fighting. this is a senator who has taken on every powerful special interest, whether it's wall street, whether it's drug companies ripping off the american people, military industrial complex, more people know our record the better we do. i point out, john, that just yesterday to the best of my knowledge we actually won latino
break through for us in reaching out to a diverse nation. >> dickerson: that is major break through. hillary clinton however won among african american voters, a large portion of the electorate in south carolina, you don't seem to be making inroads and the clock is ticking. >> we are making inroads. we are doing better interestingly lot of holding that i see not along racial lines but generational lines. we are doing better and better among younger people, not so well among older people. whether they're white or latino. but we -- you're right are we have lot of work to do. but i think with the african american community understands my record, criminal justice, my record on economics, the agenda, raising minimum wage to $15 an hour. the fact that we have more people in jail shamefully than any other country on earth, i am against the death penalty, secretary clinton is not.
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>> dickerson: welcome back. ohio governor john kasich joins us now. governor i was talking to two ever your supporters in a super tuesday state. they would like to vote for you but they're worried that the primaries happen, they should get behind maybe marco rubio because they're worried about donald trump. make your pitch to them about why they should stick with you? >> first of all, you know, i'm starting to get known in this country for the first time and a message is being heard. these guys have spent $50 million in the campaign i've spent about $15 million. the fact of the matter is a lot of the money they spent has been designed to hammer me, negative ads against me. we're getting big crowds everywhere we go. i was just in vermont,
massachusetts, i'm heading to virginia tomorrow. and we just keep going. and look, we finished second in new hampshire. i think marco finished fifth. we never expected to finish at the top in south carolina and i think frankly we've exceeded expectations there. the late voters, we did very well with. the late deciders. and we're moving on and we feel good about where we are and, look, all i can tell saw the national polls, we're still strong, we've got good grass roots and everybody just hang on, things are going to settle down. >> dickerson: isn't there a sense of urgency you're getting well-known, you're on the rise. but there is also contests happening, people are coming in ahead of you. where do you have to do well and win to still have a shot at this? >> well, look, we got to do well in vermont, in massachusetts. we think we're going to do well in virginia. we believe that we will over perform in mississippi. we think we get to the midwest,
it's michigan. remember, john, as i heard bernie sanders saying it's i don't have to win these places, i just have to hang in there and continue to gain momentum. and no one ever expect me to get in the race, they didn't think i would get on the debate stage, different they didn't think i finished second. we went to south carolina. short period of time later two weeks ago people in south carolina had no clue who i was. so, we're the engine that can. everybody just relax on this, look, think about it, there were 16 people in the race including a number of governors and there's only one left. and i think that at the end we have to make sure that we have somebody that can go to that town, change that system, grow employment, change the whole way in which it works and ship power money and influence back to the states. i'm optimistic about it. >> dickerson: one of the other arguments that people who would consider themselves mainstream republicans are making, only
trump is there any chance for trim top get knocked off by people whose beliefs they share, why aren't you just continuing to split the vote with marco rubio, address those concerns. >> again, i finished second in new hampshire. he finished fifth. i didn't play in south carolina. we're going to go to -- march 19 to number of states, where we think we're going to do well. it's a matter of continuing on, john. being able to take advantage of the grass roots, we now have some bush people who have come our way both from a political point of view and a fundraising point of view. and we're going to keep struggling. to make sure that we can be out there, keep putting the resources together to be in a position of doing well. remember this, i'm the person who beats hillary clinton by more than any other candidate in the usaed to today poll i beat by 11 points. i've risen to third police in
where without spending much money. i get the money, continue to put the grass roots together, you're going to see a great result. people want to consolidate. they ought to consolidate my way. >> dickerson: let me ask you a policy question. when we discussed donald trump's immigration that's not who we are as a country. in the exit polls in new hampshire, 65% supported muslim immigration ban now in south carolina 74% supported that policy. maybe that this is who americans are? >> it's not all americans. i understand those polls. as a result that have, that's not going to change my position. i don't think it is even practical, i don't think it's right. just because somebody happens to be muslim faith doesn't make them a terrorist. or make them a threat to america. we've had relations with people all over the world of the muslim faith.
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>> dickerson: we turn now to very familiar face for our viewers in greenville, south carolina, this morning, i just want to say, bob, it wouldn't be presidential campaign without you. very happy to have you. >> thank you very much. >> how do you like that job? dickerson: i like it all right. i had a great predecessor. >> you're doing a great job. dickerson: what do you make of all this that is going on? >> schieffer: you know, i was listening to donald trump this morning he was mr. nice guy. he was almost humble talking about, no, he doesn't have it wrapped up, running against very good people. i think donald trump is the favorite to get the republican nomination to put it in one sentence. he didn't win here in south carolina by as much as some people thought he would in the beginning. but it was a good solid victory.
position. but i also think that marco rubio is right when he said and toll you this morning, look, this is now a three-man race. i think for the first time it is. and i think with the race winnowing down as it is, donald trump may wind up getting the nomination but he's not going to cruise to it, john. he's going to have his work cut out and going to be really good race from here on in, i think. >> dickerson: usually it's a loss that hum bells you maybe in his case it's the opposite. what do you think in donald trump's case actually -- how would you stop it? how can he be -- how can he be stopped? >> well, you heard marco rubio say today that he thinks he's got to start giving some details on how he's going to do all of these things that he's
in many cases, donald trump is really connecting with voters. i went to one of his rallies down here the other night. you have to go, you have to be there in person to get the feel of what's going down. and people, he really connects with people. he speaks in language and in in sentences that they can understand. that people who like it. sometimes you get the feeling they're not even worried about what he says, they just enjoy hearing him say it. i asked one man, who do you really like about donald trump? you know, he speaks his mind. people just don't do that much any more. you may agree with him, disagree with him, you can certainly question some of the things that he puts forth. but the people who really like him, he is connecting with them. and i think that's his great asset. but the great follow up to most of the things he proposes is, how are you going to do that?
on that front yet. this is a great set up for super tuesday. this is going to really be an exciting night. we may see this winnow down even more. >> dickerson: quickly before i let you go. the democrats, what's your take on that race? >> well, i think hillary clinton her ship may not have been totally righted but no longer taking on water. i think she comes now into south carolina in a very strong position i think she's going to win down here overwhelmingly. if she doesn't her campaign is really in trouble because so much of the vote here is the black vote and she has got to carry the black vote. i think she will. i think she'll win more of these southern states down the line. >> dickerson: bob schieffer, once a reporter always a reporter thanks for being with
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mark leibovich is the chief national correspondent for the "new york times" magazine. i want to start with you susan, donald trump insulted george w. bush, he got booed at two debates got into a fight with the pope was in a fight with ted cruz back and forth and still won south carolina. is this it? >> i think history is on his side. wouldn't want to say that its his -- wouldn't want to say that he's won it but i think the nomination now his to lose can't figure out way which he would manage to lose given the things he has done. he won south carolina by ten points. no republican has ever won both those contests and failed to then get the nomination. two of the three who did that won the white house. >> i would say as i said, republican race can be summarized in two sentences, donald trump has consolidated the blue collar wing of the party and the white collar is fragmented.
voters without a college education. exactly same number in new hampshire and as much as rubio and cruz combined. less imposing among college it kate republicans. only 25% among them. only low 20s in iowa as well but the problem, cruz and rubio have mirror image problem. cruise's coalition is to narrow, rubio too shallow. got a little bit of everything but he's not dominant anywhere. until one of them shows they can broaden more effectively have to agree trump is in the driver's seat. >> dickerson: reihan, marco rubio said it's going to become about policy. people have been trying for awhile to make that case. do you think there's any chance that rubio is right about that? >> my concern for rubio is that, if you're looking at those trump voters, lot think of themselves as moderate. and yet rubio has been relying on the psyche that the quote, unquote, establishment lane is
automatically win the voters over. that hasn't happened. on the other hand you have ted cruz very different problem. ron mentioned cruise's evangelical voters. truth is when you look at south carolina there's interesting split. when you're looking at evangelical voters who go to church once a week, cruise does very well with those voters. of course they're not that many of those voters in southeast compared to texas, oklahoma, the great plain states. where as if you look at people who identify as evangelical christians but who are unchurched those are the folks who are going to trump. that. >> at one of the evangelicals, if you look with evangelicals by education as well. donald trump won 44% of the evangelical in south carolina without a college degree. he crushed cruise among them. on the other side, rubio narrowly beat cruise with a college degree. getting squeezed from both sides.
44%, anything like it among blue collar evangelicals who are big in the southern states that cruise will be over run pretty quickly. >> dickerson: let's talk about the cruise wall, his argument he's going to do railroad well in super tuesday states. he's now been in protracted back and forth with donald trump for a month. he knows how to debate. he has currency with those voters and it hasn't worked so far. >> the reason it hasn't worked frankly numbers. the words coalescing, consolidating they have been very popular this morning. the fact is, donald trump has his own consolidated base at this point. across many demographics, crosses evangelicals, young voters, older voters. rubio thinks the establishment wilco less around me, cruise seems to think -- cruz will think they will flock to him. until there are just two people, there's not going to be clear shot at donald trump. >> by that time, you're in the
all primaries which means donald trump with 35% of the vote could amass enough convention delegates to assure his nomination. >> the other thing that will change, promising cbs intern bob schieffer, there was sort of graciousness which everyone this morning, maybe just a rest period. but i do think that to take, donald trump. marco rubio or ted cruz have to open this thing up. have to go after him. >> i also think the policy specific piece, the problem that trump whole point i'm just going to make america great again, spes i have, leave it at that. he doesn't appear to have them. looking at marco rubio there is one area where he has very detailed policies and specifics on immigration he's moved sharply away from from that. for months it's been very clear the number of republicans who want to increase immigration
you have all of these republican candidates. rubio needed to do better job of getting specific about exactly how and why his position changed he failed to do that. >> on the as a matter of fact where trump has articulated his position, that's where the support is rooted. clearly likely the business, the exit poll 44% of the voters in south carolina are minority supporting all undocumented immigrants trump had almost half of them. supported the within on muslim. he has established as you said -- he has constituency that cuts across many traditional demographic boundaries but still rooted in one slice for first time the blue collar wing of the republican party is driving a candidate toward the nomination. white collar rain was essential for mccain and romney. we're seeing internal power shift in the party. >> dickerson: set the table for us the next big super tuesday
what does that look like. we've been focusing on little tiny states now it gets opened up. >> a dozen states including texas might be state to watch in the polling that we've seen, we've seen cruz ahead of trump. what if trump beats cruz in texas how does it look. two weeks later ohio test to see if john kasich stays in the race until ohio. at the moment trump is winning ohio. when you look at the super tuesday, you have bunch across the south. got couple in other places. but it's really a contest to go to the base of the republican party which is a southern base, we'll see who can carry that. >> dickerson: mark, usually people like to get mind a winner in politics in washington we see them running and grab ahold. donald trump doesn't have any endorsements, senate or congress do you expect any that have to come? >> no. i don't. i think if it does, i don't think it will help or hurt. i expect marco rubio is surrounding himself with so many
days. i don't think it matters. i think traditionally it doesn't matter. one of the reasons donald trump has been stand alone phenomenon that populism, still very populist problem is celebrity. and donald trump is a celebrity. >> ted cruz, future is now. the states that are coming up are the heavily evangelical, heavily blue collar not only in the south but midwest. you cannot drive donald trump off of his stature given blue collar evangelicals he's won in new hampshire and south carolina then looking at places like alabama, arkansas, oklahoma, tennessee, also missouri, ohio, michigan, illinois to some extent where if trump can hold those voters, just isn't enough for cruz. cruz is so weak, among voters who are not evangelical. >> cruz has a lot of money. i'm assuming rubio staying in
trump. >> rubio could make a blue collar pitch. if he actually said, look, this guy is a plutocrat charlatan i have real 'went da. that's something that he he always keyed up. he never talks about it unless moderator actually bring up, here is your tax plan. whether or not that works that's the kind of message that could theoretically resonate. >> rubio, the opening is there if donald trump faces more resistance on the white party side. rubio now won college graduates in two of the first three races by tiny margins not enough to make it different. there's a door open for him that he simply does not want to walk through and instead pitching himself more trying to canal buys conservative support of cruz and trump rather than veering more toward the lane.
mitt romney. >> dickerson: mark, wouldn't marco rubio have to go right at donald trump? isn't that the run? >> it has been to this point. that's his only option. he does seem to, i mean, i think seems to be going forward just around him. the endorsement. the establishment, which to his point shown not to exist over and over again. yes, i don't think that's his inclination. >> dickerson: we got to go to the democrats. give me your take on hillary clinton do herself good in nevada or -- where do you think? >> definitely she lost in nevada state we expect though win in 2008 definite and clear victory unwhether like the very narrow one. unlike republicans, the democrats require proportional representation. i assume bernie sanders stays in this race, continues to get convention delegates, goes to
got it wrapped up, nomination wrapped up, presses his cause which i think was his original agenda. >> dickerson: the message? >> good news nor bernie sanders in nevada that his generational advantage that we saw among white young people in iowa and new hampshire extended to minority young people in nevada. that goes well for him. he lost older minority voters, even more than he lost older white voters. under reported fact, he's having trouble with democrats. only won 40% of self identified democrats roughly in nevada. same in iowa. as john mccain found, hard to win a party's nomination if you can't get people to vote for you insufficient numbers. yes, he is serious challenger not just one track candidate, not just young people, he's running well with blue collar whites. he can fully expand, especially into african americans, go to be hard to get over the top. >> dickerson: sanders can stay in for long time stick with his message doesn't that become,
there, which is you can't bring in young voters they were part of the obama coalition. that would be quite damaging to hillary. >> first of all i want to praise explicit on demographics we all. i can say, that's a bruise that doesn't need poking, proven to be there over and over again. it's a problem for her, it was problem for her six months ago problem a year from now -- not a greer now, close to a year from now. he is a constant reminder in some ways remains ideal opponent for her because he moves her left, also he's probably not going to win. >> only antidote hillary clinton may be donald trump. >> but the negative response -- we had new poll out this week that said, what is your dominant reracks action to these people's. to hillary clinton's nomination was, scary.
domination -- dominant reaction to donald trump's nomination was scary. so, just imagine general election. >> it's worth noting that if you look how liberal these democratic primary electorates today even four years ago, it's reflex of sha ripping of the democratic coalition where as trump for better or worse, appears to be egg growing the republican coalition. it's complicated. but that is one pattern that is striking between the two. >> dickerson: we'll have to end it there. thank our panel. we'll be right back. i think we should've taken a left at the river. tarzan know where tarzan go! tarzan does not know where tarzan go. hey, excuse me, do you know where the waterfall is? waterfall? no, me tarzan, king of jungle. why don't you want to just ask somebody? if you're a couple, you fight over directions. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. oh ohhhhh it's what you do.
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