tv Matter of Fact With Fernando Espuelas ABC February 7, 2016 11:30am-12:00pm EST
>> today on "matter of fact." down to the wire in new hampshire. one opinion leader urges voters to change course. >> new hampshire voters break late and they often break together >> plus, while washington weighs in, outrage overflows in flint. can mayor karen weaver save her city? >> i' m going to talk to whoever i have to talk to. house. >> and, offense, defense and special teams. why the super bowl is the perfect pregame show for super tuesday. fernando: i'
welcome to "matter of fact." new hampshire voters are making their final decisions in the nation' s first primary on tuesday as the media weighs in with endorsements. one conservative news leader in manchester made a surprising choice, backing governor chris christie for president. the publisher of the state' s largest newspaper, "the new hampshire union leader," faced repeated jabs from donald trump , who called him a "lowlife." the paper has not backed down, and today we talk to the editorial page editor grant bosse, who joins us from manchester. grant, welcome to the program. grant: fernando, great to be with you. new hampshire is getting ready for super bowl tuesday. fernando yeah, no doubt. : so, give us a picture on what' s going on, sort of the big picture. what movement are you seeing among the candidates? grant: well, new hampshire voters break late and they often break together, so i think we' re going to see one candidate, on the republican field, probably get a lot of that late-breaking, last 48 hour vote. of course, they make up their minds in the last 48 hours. we don'
there' s a big fight among the governors for one seat left at table between governors chris christie, jeb bush and john kasich to move on and be viable. you' re seeing bernie sanders this is going to be a 20 point race. fernando: well, you mentioned chris christie. what' s happening with him? and if you could share, very briefly, why you think he is the grant: well, he' he' s been a u.s. attorney, prosecuting government corruption, terrorism cases. he' s been a governor that tackled tax reform. he vetoed every tax increase that came to his desk. we think he' s shown how he will perform in office against some pretty impressive freshman senators who, frankly, don' t have that record of leadership. just, that they haven' t been around as long to prove it. fernando: and i understand that the publisher of your newspaper has been attacked as well because of this endorsement? so what' s really going on? grant: yeah, the new jersey
of chris christie that didn' t like our endorsement too much. we had some very strong opinions on mr. trump' s candidacy, and he didn' t like that too much. so, when you go out there and have strong opinions as we do at the "union leader," some people are going to disagree and we welcome that. it' s all part of the primary. fernando: all right, grant, thank you so much for joining me today. grant: thanks, fernando fernando: we now turn to carl cannon, washington bureau chief for real clear politics, who knows firsthand the political terrain in new hampshire. carl, welcome back to the program. carl: thank you, it' s pleasure to be here. fernando: so a lot of exciting things are happening in the next few weeks. obviously new hampshire right away, and then also south carolina, then nevada. how are you war gaming this? what do you think is going to be happening? re the news we' s like a video game, this stuff is just coming at us, right? new hampshire first. two days from now, the new hampshire primary will answer a lot of these questions we have. bernie sanders and hillary clinton, on the democratic side,
nothing was decided. right? bernie sanders wins there, maybe you have a race. maybe you actually have, instead of a coronation on the democratic side, an argument over the future of the democratic party between two candidates, who you know have accomplished a lot in politics. a serious conversation. fernando: you look at the republican side, maybe a bit of a surprise that ted cruz overwhelmed trump, relative to the polls anyway. what do you think will happen in new hampshire? is the ground game that trump has or doesn' t have is going to be important there? carl: look, a ground game' s important in new hampshire, too. not as important as iowa, a caucus state. trump and cruz sort of flip flopped. they were running one two and it came out 1-2 the other way. the real story there was marco rubio, really outperformed his polls and came a very strong third, much closer to trump than trump was to cruz. so you have these three people coming out of iowa with momentum. in new hampshire, trump' s got advantages he didn' t have in
s a primary. that' s just different. you can go vote. you don' t have go at 7:00. you can go anytime, all day long. and the other thing is, it' s an open primary. fernando: democrats can switch, republicans can -- carl: democrats. there' s nobody in iowa who' s a democrat that went to the republican caucus. you just don' t do that. but plenty of democrats vote, although sanders may keep them. you know, we keep, reporters keep running into these people, fernando, and they' ll tell you at these rallies, i' m either voting for trump or sanders. now, in washington, we go what? this a very confused person. maybe not. it' s the opposite side of populism, but it' s populism, things are broken, the little man' s getting screwed. sanders has it identified that it' s wall street, big government. trump has these other bogeymen, but same sort of emotional appeal. so you' re going to have cross over votes in new hampshire. fernando: and, very quickly as we wrap up, when you look at trump' s performance in iowa, can you extrapolate anything toward new hampshire? in other words, he'
s a different mechanism as you pointed out. do you think he has a chance of winning? carl: i do. he was leading narrowly in iowa. he' s leading more in the polls, in the realclearpolitics average, in new hampshire than he was in iowa, and in south carolina he' s even more than new hampshire. there' s no reason to think that support is going to hemorrhage. the real contest may be between these four guys. fernando: the governors. carl: the governors and cruz and marco rubio, who are bunched there. kasich, jeb, marco, cruz, between 12 points and 10 points, and one of them wants to finish second and they may get the but, there' s no reason to think trump is going to lose new hampshire. so much. really appreciate your insights. >> coming up, the water crisis point. >> we can not guarantee at this point that the water is safe to drink. >> a nation turns to the mayor for answers.
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rep. chaffetz: the public has a right to be outraged. outraged doesn' t even begin to cover it. fernando: that' s representative jason chaffetz, chairman of the house oversight committee, summing up public sentiment as congress confronts the crisis in flint, michigan. it' s a disaster that is holding an entire city hostage. we sent jessica jallings gomez to flint for a conversation with mayor karen weaver about the city' s struggle to survive. mayor weaver: when i drive through flint, i have a range of emotions. about what happened. jessica: flint mayor karen weaver, just three months into a brand-new career. mayor weaver: i know what deserves. jessica: a cost saving measure put high levels of lead contamination into water pipes,
children. breakdown in government. a breakdown in oversight. then it was a cover-up. jessica: while state and federal help has arrived, as well as private donations, the city is still suffering. mayor weaver: it is really sad. if somebody wanted to move, who will want to buy their house? the property value has plummeted. jessica: mayor weaver says the city needs more than bottled water and filtration systems. mayor weaver: we need service lines replaced. homes that have kids under six, pregnant women, homes identified as high lead, those with elderly or compromised immune systems, that' s a way to get started. the state has to step up and owned this, but this is bigger than the state as far as resources. jessica: while she is still
mayor weaver: there are parts of me when i drive through flint -- i am optimistic, happy. there will be better and brighter days ahead. jessica: as the finger-pointing continues over just who is responsible for the water crisis, a presidential democratic debate has been scheduled here for march. mayor weaver says that so far the only presidential candidate hillary clinton. gomes. fernando: no one knows the real cost of this disaster. by any measure, it could have been worse if it hadn' t been for a virginia tech professor who felt compelled to fight for the children of flint. i spoke with citizen scientist marc edwards via skype about why he took up the their cause. professor, welcome to the program. professor edwards: thank you for having me. fernando: sir, in this terrible tragedy in flint, you seem to be the one hope of a hero, maybe, if i' m not overstating it. how did you get involved? professor edwards: well, there'
actually so many heroes involved , and we were just helping them, frankly. the flint residents figured out on their own that their water had high lead in it because their children got lead poisoned and their growth was essentially stunted. so a mother did this all on her own, and also figured out that the state was not following federal law in terms of corrosion control, and so we got involved just to help them in terms of monitoring their water for safety. fernando: but you also, sir, i understand, you put a tremendous amount of your own resources into play. why did you do that? professor edwards: once we realized that no one would help them, the people who are paid to protect them were not going to do their job, we went all in for flint. we formed a team of 25 people. we worked alongside flint residents to test every aspect of their water and we found lead
at least in large buildings, and so that' s the health dimension of the tragedy. thankfully, we were able to stop us from getting much, much worse. fernando: and sir, you' ve just been appointed by the governor of michigan, who has been heavily criticized for his inaction, or his team' s inaction anyway. you are now on this commission to try to resolve this. i' m a little mystified by the three-year window to reporting. so what' s job one? what are you trying to achieve immediately to try to help the citizens? professor edwards: what we have to do is make sure flint residents stay protected, they keep using their filters and bottled water in the short term. in the longer term, we' ve got to try to get help for flint' s children. on top of that, we have to grapple with this manmade disaster to flint' s critical infrastructure, which was also permanently damaged by this, and probably had anywhere from $40
damage. ethical problem of how to resolve all of those problems, because there is no precedent. fernando: professor, thank you so much for joining me today. professor edwards: thank you. tells me he' public apology of governor rick snyder. edwards added that elected officials were misled by bureaucrats, calling it a failure of conscience that endangered the people of flint. >> next, why the president did something he' s never done before president obama: we' ve heard inexcusable political rhetoric against muslim americans >> the political fallout after his visit to a mosque. and, applaud, if you think the super bowl is a lot like politics. governor bush: please clap. in the middle of a time r when senior poverty is increasing. republicans and some democrats
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fernando: living with fear and bigotry is a reality for most american muslims. according to a poll released by pew research, almost half of american' s believe that u.s. muslims are anti-american. anushay hossain is a journalist who has dealt with the prejudice. as you know, a tremendous amount of rhetoric, anti-muslim rhetoric, in the campaign right now and lot of people are responding to it negatively and some, unfortunately, positively. how does that impact you, personally? i' m interested in sort of the human dimension of this, not the abstraction. anushay: you know, it affects us a lot. it affects us a lot. women i know, scholars, family members, any woman that covers, even if you' re just wearing the head scarf, yelled at, pushed at on the street. and you know, in washington it' s really personal because we have so many think tanks, and muslims are in the government. i mean, these are our policy makers, these are our average citizens. fernando: soldiers. anushay: soldiers. exactly. president obama pointed out yesterday, even our i.t. staff. but, it' s been terrible, i think especially for the muslims that are most visible, which sadly
fernando: let me ask, you mentioned president obama. he spoke at a mosque. what did that mean to you?. anushay: his rhetoric has always been great. s even been accused of being a muslim. [laughter] so it was funny to note that, wow, he actually has never spoken from a u.s. mosque, not to say he hasn' t visited mosques s been overseas. s been tricky for he' s kind of had to maneuver allegations of being a muslim while standing up for muslims. s kind of a funny phrase in itself. no one says allegations, like no one says allegations of being a catholic or anything like that. so, when you look forward, how will this rhetoric impact america? how do you think this rhetoric gets dialed back? anushay: so i think the conversation, the fact that you and i are talking about it. the fact that mainstream media is asking, how do muslims feel? is this true? yes, there is some uncomfortable questions and stereotypes that are being raised in the midst of all of this, but i think there
americans are coming forth. we' re saying, "no, this is not acceptable." we' re speaking out more than ever, and we' re kind of re-claiming the narrative. you can' t be dismissive of the fact that the president of the united states spent over 40 minutes at a mosque preaching love, respect. it' s important. fernando: so, this is kind of almost a technical question, i guess, but where he spoke, women are not allowed to speak. so, how should we interpret that as americans? the president of the united states goes to a place where, effectively, half of the population of the united states can' t be. anushay: that is such a fantastic question. and you know, as a muslim, feminist, american, bangladeshi, i don' t know what else, mom? writer, anything else you can throw at me. it' s conflicting. we' re not only denied pray or lead prayer, but we' re denied to be in the central parts of the mosque. it' s like going to vatican and
hall room in the front, and i get to pray behind the bathroom in the back. but i think one step at a time. he can' t go to the mosque and say, feminism, women in islam, anti-americanism, everything. so one step at a time. i think it' s good that you asked that question, and people need to ask it because it' s a dual conversation that needs to be had. fernando most democrats and : republicans agreed with one question in the pew survey -- discrimination against muslims in america is on the rise. >> just ahead, from the playing field to the campaign trail, how labels could limit these trailblazers. and, taking politics to the grave. the twitterverse explodes with
the super bowl is one of them. the oscars another. presidential
elections, the most important. the super bowl and the oscars are not without their own political overtones, reflecting america' s strengths and cam newton, carolina' s all-pro quarterback, is young, hip, and black. he has an easy manner that turns serious when asked about the relevance of an african-american quarterback appearing in the nfl' s championship game. >> you asked me a question about african-american, or being black -- it is bigger than that. fernando newton is not the first : black quarterback to lead a more than once this week, he told reporters that the black label is limiting. >> we limit ourselves when we label ourselves. fernando it' s a sentiment shared : by hollywood a-listers who say the lack of diversity among
questions. >> this is about children that are going to sit down and they are not going to see themselves represented. fernando: are we limiting truth-telling in films if they don' t depict the participation of people of color in american life? america is obsessed with firsts, with accomplishments too often viewed as exceptions. we have achieved a first in the election of barack obama. now we talk about having two latino candidates in the top tier of republican candidates. we might elect a woman, or a jewish democratic socialist -- any of those would be firsts. will this race move us beyond labels? when will we stop endorsing i' d like to know your thoughts. tweet the show, @matteroffacttv. check in on facebook or connect with our video site to view and share videos from all our
fernando: a parting thought today, that gave us pause. we noted a trend in social media that gives new meaning to the expression, dying wish. we spotted retweets of obituaries like this where a new one, jersey woman asks, in lieu of flowers, don' t vote for hillary. or this one. where the family of a north carolina man respectfully asks you not to vote for hillary in 2016. and it' s not a conservative trend. it' s bi-partisan. one atlanta man' s final request, please don' t vote for trump. the same message sent by this pittsburgh man. now, not all obituaries have gone negative. some are endorsements -- apparently much appreciated by donald trump, who re-tweeted this one saying, "thank you so much.