tv Matter of Fact With Soledad O Brien ABC October 3, 2016 12:00am-12:30am EDT
>> today on "matter of fact," a nation built on dissent. struggles with this silent act. >> we can't expect our athletes to just shut up and play. what does this protest mean to you? versus pence. why you should care about the vice presidential debate. plus, selfie nation -- could this trend change at the way you see politics? but first -- >> is taking a stand for racial equality unpatriotic or an act of patriotism? i'm soledad o'brien. welcome to "matter of fact."
soledad: social and political progress in america has almost always been preceded by protest. the boston tea party set off the american revolution in 1773. in 1913, women poured into the streets demanding the right to vote. and in 1963, the march on washington brought the fight for racial equality and jobs to the foot of the lincoln memorial. >> became the focus of student led protests to promote peace. now the nation is focused on black lives matter and the anthem protests that started with 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick. protesting is a guaranteed right, but some are calling this unpatriotic. "matter of fact" correspondent diane roberts looks at those courting controversy for the cause. diane: since colin kaepernick's peaceful public protests started
like broncos linebacker brandon marshall, who lost two endorsements for his public dissent, but gained another. while taking a difficult stand, he wants to affect change, too. for example, he has plans to work with the denver police department on shoot, don't shoot training. >> truth be told, i'm not sure how long i am going to do it. that is why it took me so long i was wondering, what's the end game? how long is it going to take for change? diane some players have chosen : to raise their fists instead of kneeling, like the raiders malcolm smith, the rams robert quinn, and chargers offensive lineman chris hairston. tensions ran high last week as the carolina panthers hosted kaepernick's 49ers after five tumultuous days of protests over the police shooting death of keith lamont scott. panthers quarterback cam newton
king, jr's, quote, "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." many black players, like seahawks michael bennet, say they need a white college to join the demonstration and make it real for others. professional soccer player megan rapinoe, who is white, has joined her male counterparts. other women have been on board with the protest, too. during a wnba playoff game sept indiana fever team knelt during the "star spangled banner" and were joined by two members of the opposing team. as for the nba, league rules mandate players stand for the national anthem leaving some , players to decide what to do as their season is about to begin. the league itself has plans to work with players, offering mentoring and career development
in washington, diane roberts. soledad: thank you, diane. george atallah is with the national football league player's association, which represents over 5000 current and former nfl players. nice to have you. george: thanks for having me. soledad: have you had official conversations with colin kaepernick? george: we have. we've talked to colin and a number of other players across the league about the demonstrations that are taking place. those conversations are usually around two things -- ensure that you understand what the labor laws are in respect to what you're doing and the demonstrations. but also, understand that if you are going to demonstrate, be confident in your message and clearly present that message to people so that there's no confusion about why you're taking the position that you are. soledad: roger goodell has been supportive, mostly, and then he said if the other day, this -- i support our players who want to see change in society, and we
and then he went on, on the other hand, we believe very strongly in patriotism in the nfl. so izzard of sets up a contradiction, right? there is this idea of protests, that is a supported, but patriotism is against protest. george: the very definition of patriotism is to stand up for what you believe in. i mean, we are in an election year, as you know, and our union has gotten behind thte we understand the history that our athletes and other citizens in america have had to fight for that very right, so you don't get there by simply wrapping yourself in the flag and standing up for a country that still has issues that we want to resolve. soledad: are the players angry and frustrated that protests are happening? george: absolutely, just like a lot of americans are.
can participate in making that change and those are very , constructive and those are the things that you want to have when you are talking about a diverse group of young men, frankly, who have all sorts of different political beliefs. soledad: how come there have been no white players to have taken a knee in protest? george: you know, i don't know the answer to that question, but i know that colin kaepernick, for example, has had several conversations. nate evner being one of them, a former military person who played in our league and supports the underlying message of what colin is trying to raise and other players are trying to raise. i think just yesterday dreamon green of the golden state warriors had a very smart position, where he said -- i believe that what's happening is wrong. i don't need to demonstrate to be able to use my platform as an athlete during this press conference to share with you that there are
starting to wake up and realize the impact of their voices and are expressing that in different ways, and i think it is a good thing. soledad: do you think history judges colin kaepernick who i think is certainly getting death threats and the center of a lot of hostile conversations -- do you think history judges him differently sort of as people , now judge muhammad ali very differently today than they did when his protests were taking place? george: yeah, it could be. i think history is going to look at this moment. , very macro perspective. history is going to look at this moment and realize that we can't expect our athletes to just shut up and play. they're members of our community. they're citizens of this country. they have the exact same rights that you and i have. and they're exercising those rights, and i think that's fantastic and it's all coming together. obviously in an important election year, so when we get to november, you're going to see a lot of this conversation around athletes being part of the
have you. thank you. >> coming up, what would happen if you didn't vote? >> it is something that is keeping the clinton campaign up late at night. >> a look at the enthusiasm gap gripping millennials. plus, que pasa? it's clinton versus trump -- in espanol. >> primero soy americano. >> what you need to know about
soledad: could tuesday's vice pres the first presidential debate is now one for the record books. 84 million viewers watched the 90-minute face-off between donald trump and hillary clinton on tv, making it the most -watched presidential debate in history. that's not counting online viewing. but did either candidate do enough to overcome their high negatives? and what, if anything, can their running mates do to help them? cornell belcher is a democratic pollster who also worked with barack obama's campaign. republican strategist bruce
republican national committee. nice to see you both. >> thanks for having us. soledad: let's jump right into it. the debate itself had sections. achieving prosperity, america's direction, securing america. what was interesting to me was that there was literally zero discussion of latinos in any of those categories. why do you think that was, and what else was missing? cornell: if you look at what he did it, it actually probably , of the conversation where he talked about miss universe as a housekeeper, right, talking about her weight. so he arguably hurting himself with latinos, and he also hurt himself even more with women. i do not see how, and i know his campaign was pulling out their hair. i don't understand how he expanded his tent. bruce: this was an opportunity for donald trump. he has taken a lot of criticism on his immigration policy being too hard on latinos. it was an opportunity for him to explain how the immigration policy could be made to work. he has talked about a softening.
in some quarters of the campaign in finding a way to recast some of where he started to a place that would be better and safer for him in the general election. he had an opportunity in many areas to bring that up in the debate, and just like a lot of things, he failed to get to that spot. soledad: what about the role of the vice president and their debate. another conventional wisdom -- people not care about may not care about the vice presidential debate. they might not even care about the positions of the vice presidency, but this time around, that could be. bruce: people seem overwhelmingly interested in everything about this election. i'm not going to be surprised if we have a record viewership for this vice presidential debate. and i'm not surprised if we have a reaction like when we had joe lieberman debate dick cheney, when people said, hey, can we run those two guys for president instead, because i think you will find two dedicated public servants that are liked by
resumes, good careers. they are pros at this. people are going to look at them , and they are going to hear good policy. they are going to hear people respectful of each other. it will be a healthy debate. soledad: does that make your candidate more vulnerable? if you say, wow, i like this person better than the person who they are running with who is the actual candidate for the presidency? cornell: i think we have seen that before. two things from the vice presidential debate -- i think you will actually get more issue, sort of more issue also understand what vice presidents are also good for. if you go to 2012 after obama's first debate with romney, which most people think the president didn't do very well and there was panic among democratic voters, and then biden came in and rallied the base of the party because he was able to go after paul ryan. soledad: interesting.
politically engaged and completely disengaged in this election. i have never actually met somebody who knew so much about the issues and cared about politics in general and had no interest at all in the current election. cornell: it is something that is keeping the clinton campaign up late at night. if you look at 2008, soledad, 2008 going into the obama campaign, we knew we had to expand the electorate. so 11% of our electorate in 2008 were new voters. so we expanded the electorate with all these younger voters , and they were sort of the key to obama winning. they are critical to any progressive majority, and if the republicans have one ace in the hole, it is that these young voters are not as motivated as they have been. bruce: this is why there is hope for donald trump, right because
we have seen stories about how the clinton campaign is concerned about their level of turnout, and donald trump seems to be bringing a few new people into the process, some of these rust belt voters who are dissatisfied with the economy, skeptical about whether or not trade has been open trade has been good for them. they have cultural concerns that are reflected in the immigration debate. is he going to pull enough new voters in michigan and ohio and pennsylvania, particularly west pennsylvania, parts of the florida in the panhandle, to kind of counter the drop that clinton may see in reassembling the obama coalition? th demographically of the turnout in this race and what we do will determine the outcome. cornell: i think that will -- i agree, it will go a long way in telling who wins this election. in 2008 and 2012, younger voters made up a larger swath than senior voters. 2010, 2014, it was opposite. if election day comes and seniors make up a larger swath of the electorate than young voters, i think we are looking at a president trump. that's how important they are. and i get annoyed when young
doesn't count. soledad, there is not a more powerful 24-year-old in the world than a 24-year-old in cleveland. soledad: well, the ones i talked to are completely uninterested. cornell belcher and bruce haynes, thanks, gentlemen. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> up next, hispanic voters in battleground states. >> elections are won or lost on the margins. >> what you need to know about how trump and clinton rate with latino voters. plus, soledad shares a selfie with you to make a point.
crucial to a victory, could language be a game-changer? fernand amandi ran president obama's successful hispanic outreach campaign. i spoke with him recently from miami. soledad: the good news, i suppose, on the hrc side, is leading trump in the polls among latinos, but there are some big problems. walk me through what you see as some of the biggest problems. fernand: let's start with the overwhelmingly well with hispanic voters especially in , key battleground states where we know they have made the difference. she is exceedingly performing well with hispanic voters when you look at the head-to-head with donald trump. however, by comparison to obama's yardstick, she is falling a little bit short. and in every one of these states that are going to be so close, so tight, every little bit counts. if you look at where her
want to be, which is either at or exceeding obama's own levels in and part of that has to do 2012, with trump himself. soledad: members of his own party would say he is overtly hostile at times to latinos. so why does he have a 20% rating among latinos in some polls? that seems high to me. fernand: look let's be real. there is going to be a floor. i think the republicans are going to do no worse than between 15% and 18% of hispanic electorate. however, the problem for hillary clinton is there are some options on the ballot there weren't in 2012. whether it gary johnson of jill -- or jill stein, between the two of them, they are accounting for between 5%, 6%, and in some cases, 7%, 8% of vote. i don't think she can afford to bleed or have any of those votes eroding to third party candidates. soledad: some of the specific complaints, if i can kind of list them, would be that the latino outreach has been too little, too late.
and: yes. i do not understand why they waited so late into the process to engage spanish dominant hispanic voters. you know that almost 35%, and in some cases, 40% of the hispanic electorate either prefers spanish or consumes most of their news and info in spanish, and in states, like florida and even arizona, which is kind of a bubble state that could potentially be in play if you have a large and overwhelming hispanic turnout, it could be a difference-maker. soledad: can i ask you a quick question? which was the lowest. latinos under 50%. that's low. do you expect higher voter turnout? do you have any reason to believe there would be one? fernand: i think you have the conditions for a wave, and part of that is engaging and having a conversation over the course of a campaign and not just making , the case why someone isn't good for you, but why you are good for them.
on a variety of issues whether , they be jobs in the economy, which we know is the most important issue and has been for a long time with hispanic voters. education, national security, foreign policy, and health care. it is not just immigration. immigration is an important issue, but it's not the only one. soledad: right, everyone defaults to immigration. fernand amandi, nice to see you. thanks for talking with us. fernand: likewise ,my pleasure . >> coming up next, do you remember the last time you saw this? a bipartisan moment on capitol hill. what did these leaders finally
soledad: late wednesday afternoon, congress avoided a shutdown of the federal government after reaching a deal to provide $170 million in aid to flint, michigan, and other cities struggling with concerns about contaminated water supplies. our cameras documented the impact on the residents of flint, who have been forced to drink bottled water since 2014 when lead entered the water supply. as many as 12,000 children in
congressional leaders are backpedaling after handing president obama and his first-ever veto override. by wide margins, both chambers passed a bill allowing the families of 9/11 victims to sue saudi arabia, home of 15 terrorists involved in the attacks. the president argued the bill could lead to legal retaliation agai now congress moves are rethinking their action. >> nobody really focused on the potential downside in terms of our international relationships. soledad: congress could revisit the issue after the november election. >> when we return, the year of
take a look at the audience at candidate appearances in these images from previous elections. this campaign crowd in 2004 and this group in 2012, but this year? 2016? i'd say more -- but first, let me just get a shot of myself. i'm soledad o'brien. i'll see you next week on "matter of fact." [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy.
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