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starting right now on a special edition of "this week" with george stephanopoulos. debate night face-off. the gop candidates on the attack. in a fiery final debate in new hampshire. >> let me talk. be quiet. a lot of times -- [ crowd booing ] >> two days until the first in the nation primary. will trump put a win on the board? >> and our country is going to hell. >> donald trump joins us live. then, rubio under fire. the freshman senator takes incoming from all sides. >> there it is. the memorized 25-second speech. >> marco rubio responds in a "this week" exclusive. plus, the democratic underdog? hillary clinton knocking on doors in new hampshire. can she come from behind against bernie sanders?
donald trump, marco rubio, hillary clinton, all here live. from abc news, especial edition of "this week," live from manchester, new hampshire. here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. >> these last debates before the new hampshire primary have made a big difference in years past. last night's was a doozy. donald trump back at center stage. the three governors had their best night yet. the toughest night yet for marco rubio. the latest poll taken before the debate, donald trump back up to 33%. 17 points ead of marco rubio. followed by ted cruz at 14%. ohio governor john kasich at 11%. and jeb bush at 7%. how did the debate play with the fluid group of new hampshire voters who wait until the final minute to make up their minds? donald trump, marco rubio, hillary clinton all here this morning. jon karl starts us off. with the highlights of last
night. good morning, jon. >> reporter: good morning, george. a bit of a traffic jam up on the stage. once they made to it the podiums, it was a big night for the governors and donald trump. back at center stage after skipping the last debate, donald trump defended his temperament to the commander in chief. >> i actually think i have the best temperament. i'm not the one with the trigger. other people up here, believe me, would be much faster. >> reporter: ted cruz pulled no punches. >> do you stand by those words. >> i think that is an assessment voters are going on make. >> he didn't answer your question. we're going win with trump. people back down with trump. >> reporter: the candidate risesing fastest? marco rubio, took fire all night. with a barrage coming from chris christie. >> you have not been involved in a consequential decision where you have had to be held accountable. >> reporter: rubio drew ridicule for repeating himself
repeatedly. >> let's dispel with the fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. let's dispel with this fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. this notion that barack dam doesn't know what he's doing is just not true. >> there it is. there it is. the memorized 25-second speech. >> reporter: christie and his fellow governors dominated much of the night. meback.hting for a new hampshire john kasich hoping to appeal to moderates won over the crowd with a positive message. >> we have to solve problems in america by coming together. republicans and democrats. americans first. party and ideology second. that's what we need to do. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: bush made his most forceful attacks yet against trump on the issue of eminent domain. >> what donald trump did was to use eminent domain to try to take the property of an elerly woman. >> he wants to be a tough guy. >> how tough is it to take property away from an elderly
woman. >> let me talk. quiet. >> how tough is it? [ crowd booing ] >> a lot of times. that's all of his donors and special interests out there. it's what it is. [ crowd booing ] >> reporter: that's right. donald trump went after the audience. i have never seen that in a debate before. he has a solid, double-digit lead here in new hampshire. but remember, george. new hampshire voters are famous for changing their minds and deciding at the very last minute. >> yeah, a third of them have not made up their mind yet. donald trump joins us now. welcome back mr. trump. what did you think about last night? >> i loved it. it was great debate. we had some fun. i had a great time. i'm happy with the results. it's terrific. >> you had the back and forth with jeb bush on eminent domain. the facts seem to be on his side. vera coking. let me explain it first. vera coking. you wanted and the casino development authority of new jersey wanted to take her house to build a parking lot for your casino. >> not a parking lot.
>> you went to court. you fought it for three years. the state supreme court said trump, not the public, stood to benefit from the seizures and the deal was analogous to giving trump a blank check for future development. on the property for casino hotels. >> good. and you know what i did? i let the court stand as opposed to going higher up. >> well, it was the state supreme court. >> we could have gone higher. i decided not to do it. not to pursue it. >> a three-year fight. >> doesn't matter. we could have gone a different way. i offered her a lot of money. she sold the house for much less than what i offered. eminent domain is a very important thing. jeb bush doesn't understand what it means. if you look into the bush family. i found this out five minutes ago. they used eminent domain for the stadium in texas where they own i guess a piece of the texas rangers. >> that was george w. bush. >> that doesn't matter. it was the bush family. they used private eminent domain. he didn't tell anybody this. he probably doesn't know. i don't think he knows what eminent domain is. i just found that out about five
minutes ago. >> so no second thoughts about your position at all? >> eminent domain is important. you wouldn't have highways, roadways, bridges, hospitals. you wouldn't have anything without it. the keystone pipeline. everybody wants that. if you're a conservative, you want the keystone pipeline. they have a whole section of eminent domain. when they write up, the whole thing, on the keystone. they have a whole section. >> the crowd wasn't on your side. >> the crowd was on my side except they were all friends of mine that were donors and special interests and lobbyists. some of them worked for me in the past. actually, it was a very -- it shows how broken the system is. the people in that audience were the people that were supporting all of the candidates. i'm the only candidate not taking money. i'm not taking money. >> you had no supporters in the crowd? >> i had supporters. i had 20 tickets. they gave me 20 tickets. all of the people in the crowd, 90% of them were people that gave to the various candidates. and mostly to bush. bush got $128 million he's nowhere.
he spent over $100 million on this failed campaign of his. he's nowhere. those people were in the audience. rubio said, he said, why does nobody get response but bush? i just think it's really showing the system. when you have somebody like me, where i don't take money, where i'm a self-funder, people really appreciate that. that's why i brought it out last night. it was a good point, i think. but i brought it out last night. >> waterboarding front and center last night. you said, i would bring back waterboarding and i would brink back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding. what did you have in mind? >> i said before that we're living in a world where in the middle east they're cutting people's heads off. they're chopping a christian's head off. many of them. we talk about foley, james foley, what a wonderful young man. boom, they're chopping heads. i said, yes, i would bring back waterboarding. i would make it a hell of a lot worse. >> what did you have in mind? >> i had in mind going worse than waterboarding. it's enough. we have a country under siege
it's under siege from a people. we're like living in medieval times. if i have it to do, if it's up to me, i would absolutely bring back waterboarding. if it's tougher than that, i would bring it back, too. >> so as president, you would authorize torture? >> i would absolutely authorize something beyond waterboarding. it will be effective. if we need information. george, you have our enemy cutting heads off of christians and plenty of others, but the hundreds. by the thousands. >> do we win by being more like them? >> yes, i'm sorry. you have to do it that way. i'm not sure everybody agrees with me. i guess a lot of people don't. we're living in a time that's as evil as any time that has ever been. when i was a young man, i studied medieval times. that's what they did. chopped off heads. >> so we're going to chop off heads? >> we're going to do things beyond waterboarding. i thought ted's answer was very
tentative. he gave a tentative answer. if we have to, we're going to have to do more. when you have conditions like that, i would say absolutely i would approve waterboarding. >> the law says they have to follow the army field manual. it prohibits waterboarding. you would try to overturn the law? >> you reclassify. you reclassify. see what happens. i would certainly approve waterboarding. they laugh at us. our enemies laugh at us. they say, waterboarding? they don't view that as real torture. they say waterboarding and they chop off heads. they think we're so stupid. you no idea. the enemy we're fighting. no wonder they're doing so well. with this kind of thinking, that's why they're doing so well. >> there was an issue that came up last night. you said you were always against the iraq war. fact-checkers have gone through and haven't seen any staptement from you until after the war began. >> in 2003-2004, i was against it.
i wasn't a politician. i was a businessman. >> i interviewed you in 1999. you were thinking of running for president then. >> i was, actually. maybe i should have done it. i like this one better. i like this time better. but the fact is, in 2003, 2004, i was very much opposed to the iraq war. i said it would destabilize the middle east. it did. >> let's talk about another issue. a social issue on voters' minds right now. last sunday, on fox news sunday, you said you would strongly consider appointing supreme court justices to overturn the ruling. later this week, you said this to a reporter in new england. >> when president trump is in office, can we look for more forward motion on equality for gays and lesbians? >> you can. we're going to bring people together. that's your thing. other people have their thing. we have to bring all people together. if we don't, we're not going to have a country anymore. >> just last sunday, you said you would consider appointing justices -- >> we're talking about bringing people together. i would appoint justices -- it
would take a long time, to be honest. >> but you want them to overturn the supreme court decision. >> i would appoint them and see how they vote. >> how does that move us to equality? >> we'll find out. i mean, we're going to find out. there's a lot of people that want to see that. more important than anything else to me, this country is so divided right now, as per her question, this country is so totally divided. it's probably almost never been as divided. as it is right now. we have to bring it together. >> a majority of americans support the idea of gay marriage. wouldn't it be divisive? >> it's been determined. we will see what happens. we're going to look at judges. they have to be great judges. conservative judges who are going to see how they stand depending on their views. that would be my preference. >> where do you want them to stand? >> i would prefer they stand against. we'll see what happens. it depends on the judge. >> how does that move us toward equality for gays and lesbians? >> well, i think what will happen. and look, george.
very simple. we're going to bring our country together. we're going the unify our country. we're going to do whatever we have to do. i'll put the absolute best judges in position. we're going to see what their views are. i will make the determination add that time. >> what do you say to gays and lesbians that say overturning that decision is not unifying the country? >> i understand that. it's a long way off. >> what is happening here in new hampshire? >> it's going well. we're doing well. our ground forces are good. i had a good debate last night. >> better than iowa? >> i came in first or second, depending on how you want to count the carson vote. i came in first or second out of originally 17 people. >> you came in second. >> well, i'll tell you what. if you add up the thousands of votes that were added on to cruz, you'll see what happens. i think i might have come in better than second. but it doesn't matter. i think second was a very good finish.
rubio came in third. everybody said what a great job he did. i came in second, they said, oh he had a bad performance. i said, why is that bad? i came in second, he came this third. he was good and i wasn't. >> marco rub wroe is coming up. what happened with him last night? >> i don't know. he had a rough time. you know, we'll see what happens. we have an interesting two days ahead. i wanted to get by the debate. people said i won the debate. almost everybody said i won the debate. even you said i did well. and we'll see what happens. >> who is standing between you and the nomination right now? >> i don't know. it's a long way to go. i see the poll numbers. they don't mean anything to me. i just don't know about polls. i don't know if they're accurate. they interview 300 people and come up with a brilliant poll. to me, the people of new hampshire have to get out, have to vote, and hopefully, they're going to vote for trump because i'm going to do a good job. >> see you on the trail. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. up next, just getting started. hillary clinton coming up. she had a big comeback four year ago in new hampshire. can she do it again? marco rubio is next, taking on the critics of his tough night.
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and let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. [ bell dings ] we're not facing a president that doesn't know what he's doing. [ bell dings ] let's dispel with the fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. ( [ bell dings ] anybody that believes barack obama is not doing what he's doing on purpose doesn't believe what they're dealing with.
>> democrats circulating that video overnight. what went wrong? >> actually, i would pay them to keep running that clip. that's what i believe. passionately. it's one of the reasons i'm not running for re-election to the senate and i'm running for president. this notion and this idea that somehow, oh this was an accident. obamacare was not an accident. dodd frank was not an accident. the deal with iran is not an accident. >> you're getting pounded for repeating that speech. >> well, look, we raised more money in the first hour of that debate last night than any other debate. as far as that message, i hope they keep running it. i'm going the keep saying it. it's true. has he hired incompetent people? absolutely. when it comes to what he's trying to do to america it's part of a plan. he said he's wanted to change the country. he's doing it in a way that is robbing us of everything that makes us special. i'm going to keep saying that. it's the truth. it's at the core of our campaign. >> after chris christie called you out for 25-second canned speeches, you repeated it again. he said, there you go again. it was not a good moment for you, was it?
>> it's what i believe. it's what i'll continue to say. this is the greatest country in the history of mankind because of a set of principles. barack obama wants us to abandon them. he's undermining the constitution. undermining our standing in the world. weakening america. apologizing for us on the global stage. if we elect someone like that for the next four years, think it may be too late for america to turn around. >> lindsey graham, supporting jeb bush now, said the case for marco rubio being able to be commander in chief took a hit last night. >> he's supporting jeb bush. no one on the stage last night had more experience or a better understanding of the national security issues of this country than i do. and that is the most important thing that the president does. the president doesn't run the economy. the president has the to be commander in chief. >> even though you have never been in an executive position? >> no one on that stage has a better understanding of foreign
policy and that i have. period. i think i demonstrated that last night. and throughout the campaign. >> you just heard donald trump on the issue of waterboarding and torture, he would authorize something even worse. that sometimes we do have to mirror our enemies. what do you make of that? >> i don't know what it means so i can't make much of it. we shouldn't be discussing specific tactics. it allows a terrorist, literally, to plan for how they'll be interrogated to avoid -- >> you would reserve the right to order waterboarding? >> we're not interrogating terrorists right now. there is no one being sent to guantanamo. beyond that, i would tell you, we have to understand. you cannot interrogate a terrorist as if it was a law enforcement investigation. a law enforcement investigation is about collecting evidence for prosecution. a terrorism investigation is about finding out information to prevent something from happening. to prevent an attack or to target others involved in actively plotting. so you have to use different
tactics. we're not going to discuss those. suffice it to say, we're going to comply with whatever a civilized nation would do. you have to treat terrorists differently than a street criminal. >> you got called out on the issue of abortion. you don't support exceptions for rape and incest. jeb bush said it's a tough sell to tell a pro-life mother, whose daughter had been raped, that she would just have to accept that as a sad fact. what do you say to that? >> abortion is not a political issue to me. it's a human rights issue. if jeb wants to make it a political issue, that's his right. i have supported laws with exceptions. the 20-week abortion ban. >> but it's not what you believe. >> i do require an exception for life of the mother. because i'm pro life. number two as i have said, if they pass a law in congress with exceptions, i'll sign it. i want to save lives. broader point i've made is i
believe all human life is worthy of the protection of our laws. i deeply and personally believe that. i'm not going to change my position on something that is so deep in me in order to win an election. >> what do you say to that mom? what do you tell her? >> it's a terrible situation. a crisis pregnancy as a result of something as horrifying as that. i'm not saying it's easy. it's a horrifying thing. it's unimaginable, quite frankly. i get it. i really do. that's why the issue is so difficult. i believe a human being, an unborn child has a right to live, irrespective of the circumstances they were conceived in. a majority of americans don't agree with me on that. that's why any law that limits abortions that passes will have exceptions. and i'll sign them with exceptions. i personally believe all human life is worthy of the protection of our laws. >> immigration the most talked about issue online last night. you're getting a hit for
being part of the gang of eight on immigration and for running away from it. was it a mistake to forge the original deal? >> i went to washington to solve problems. immigration is a huge problem in florida. i saw the opportunity to do the best we could in the hopes that the house would take it up and make it even better. happened in the senate. did not happen in the house. that's not the way we're going to do it when i'm president. we have a majority of republicans in the house and the senate, we're going to do it differently. the way i want to do it. >> if that's the best you could do, you would sign it? >> i don't think that law, the way it was constructed, could have ever passed. i think, most certainly, you look at the house and the broader population in america, people don't want to move on immigration until you can prove to them that illegal immigration is under control. we are not going to be able to do this comprehensively. as president, we will not. the first thing we're going to do is secure our border. until the border is secure,
nothing else is going to happen on immigration. anyone who believes otherwise is delusional or not being honest. >> no regrets on being part of the gang of eight? >> i went up there to solve problems. immigration is a big problem. it's harder today, worse today, than three years ago. >> your opponents had no trouble last night saying you're not ready to be commander in chief. straight question. do you think donald trump is ready to be commander in chief? >> i think for him to pass that threshold, he'll have to show in-depth knowledge of the foreign policy issues before us. up to now, he's not done that. >> he's not ready right now? >> he's new to politics. i think he has time to learn about these things. he's running out of time. last night, a brief question about north korea. this is a huge threat. the leader of north korea is a lunatic. he possesses long-range missiles that are probably already capable of reaches the united states. most likely able to reach guam, hawaii. and this is not an emergent issue.
but it's a dangerous one. he better have an in-depth understanding of that. on your first day in office, you cannot predict what issue will confront you. i know this. of all the people on the stage last night still running for president, none of them has more experience or a better understanding or has proven better judgment on these issues than i have. >> right now, donald trump doesn't have that readiness? >> i don't think donald trump has answered questions. he didn't know what the nuclear triad was a few weeks ago. in one of our other debates. and even last night, the most he could say about north korea was something about china and leverage. i'm not here to pick on other republicans. i'll let the voters make that decision. if you want to be commander in chief, whether it's donald or anybody else running, you better show you understand these issues in depth. and you have good knowledge. >> people writing that you have a three, two, one, strategy. >> you have never heard anybody in my campaign say that. we want as many votes and delegates as we can.
last week in iowa, came in third. we had as many delegates as the second place finisher. and one less delegate than the first place finisher. same strategy in new hampshire. we want to get as many people to vote for me as well. we created a campaign that will be around march 1st and beyond. i feel optimistic where we're going to be once the delegates are tallied. once and especially once the race is narrowed to two or three people. >> and nothing from last night changes that? >> absolutely not. other than we raised more money in the first hour than any other debate. >> thank you for joining us. that's it for the republicans. hillary clinton joins us next. "the roundtable" on last night's winners and losers. and where things are headed in this wild race. rs. and where we are in the race. i thought activia wasn't for me. until i realized how much our digestive systems handle during winter. 90 stressful days juggling hectic schedules.
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i come from a wealthy family. technically, my life is worth more than all of yours put together. especially these women and midgets. so if it's all the same to you, i'm going to pop down in that lifebo lifeboat. >> hold on, hold on, wait a second! [ cheers and applause ] i am so sick of the 1% getting this preferential treatment. [ cheers and applause ] enough is enough! >> bernie sanders on "saturday night live" last night. we're joined by his opponent, former secretary of state hillary clinton. she joins us from manchester. madame secretary, thank you for
joining us this morning. you had your own turn on "saturday night live," how did he do? >> i didn't get to see it. it's always a fun experience. i'm sure he did great. it's a wonderful forum. it's a crash course in trying to figure out how to do live tv and, i had a great time doing it. >> we also had, of course, the republican debate last night here at st.
anselm's. marndco rubio called you out on the issue of abortion. take a look. >> why doesn't the media ask hillary clinton why she believes that all abortions should be legal, even on the due date of that child? why don't they ask hillary clinton why she believes that partial-birth abortion, a gruesome procedure outlawed in the country, she thinks that's a fundamental right. they're the extremists. i can't wait to expose them in a general election. >> going to get exposed in a general election? >> you know, george, um -- i -- it's really -- quite -- sad. to see what senator rubio is
becoming in this campaign. everybody understands that he is diving as far right as he possibly can. you know, i've been on record for many years about where i stand on abortion. how it should be safe and legal. and i have the same position that i've had for a very long time. but what's really going
on here is an effort by the republicans, to keep pushing as far as they can to overturn roe v. wade. to defund planned parenthood. to make accusations and a -- attacks that are really extreme. >> are there any situations you would accept on late-term abortions? >> i have been on the record for this a long time. life and health of the mother, rape and incest have to be taken into account. when he raises the, you know, very, very difficult issue of late-term abortion, he
conveniently overlooks the fact that there are medical reasons. there are health-related reasons. i'veet women who have had to face this excruciating choice. this is not something that anyone that i've ever met with enters into without the deepest thought, the most careful consideration. and, i remember an event back in the '90s where we sat and talked with some of the women who -- had to make a very hard decision. you know, it's just so unfortunate that politicians like senator rubio are trying to politicize these kinds of very difficult concerns. and i don't think he should be allowed to get away with that. >> you had your own debate this week with bernie sanders as well. you challenged him to come up with evidence that
contributions from wall street every changed your position. he circulated something from senator warren. here's what senator warren had to say. >> one of the first bills that came up after she was senator clinton was the bankruptcy bill. >> and. >> she voted in favor. she has taken money from the groups and more to the point, she worries about them as a constituency. >> how do you respond to that charge? >> well, i'm glad you asked me about it. because this is one of these innuendo insinuation charges that the sanders campaign is engaging in. >> that was senator warren, though. >> i know. but if you had played the entire quote, what you would have heard her say. she and i worked together in 2000 to stop a bankruptcy bill that we both believed was very harmful. when i got to the senate in 2001, one of the first big votes
there was on a version of the bankruptcy bill. i was deluged by women's groups and children's advocate groups to do everything i could to make sure that child support and women's precarious financial situation in case of divorce or not being able to get the kind of funding they needed from a partner or a spouse in bankruptcy would not be endangered. and it was. the current -- that bill was making it a very low priority. so i did go to work on behalf of all of these women's groups and children's groups, because they needed a champion. i got that bill changed. in return, it had nothing to do with any money whatsoever. and i resent deeply any effort by the sanders campaign to so imply. it had to do with trying to get a deal that would protect women. let me finish, george. this has been bandied about.
i want to set the record straight. so then, three years later, part of what senator warren said, you played, you didn't play the whole thing, because we have been allies. i faced a tough decision. and i stood up for women and children. i went to the senate floor, said that was exactly what i was doing. the bill didn't pass. it never became law. when the next bill came up, 2005, women's issues were taken care of, because i had made that a point back in 2001. and so, then, i was against that bill. i didn't get a chance to actually vote against it because bill was in the hospital having a heart procedure. but i put a statement out i was against it. i'm happy to set this record straight. i want to once again call out the sanders campaign, which claims they like to run a positive campaign. they've been quite artful in raising questions and trying to cast doubts about my record. and i really am not going to sit and take it anymore. i have a public record, i have never ever been influenced in a view or a vote by anyone who has given me any kind of funding. and -- so, i'm just going to keep setting the record
straight. >> in her book, senator warren said the bill was essentially the same but hillary rodham clinton was not. big banks were part of her constituency. she wanted their support, they wanted hers. including the part -- >> george, look. i have the greatest -- i have the greatest respect for senator warren. as i said, we did work together. i faced a choice. i could have said to the women who have been my advocates for 30 year, i'm sorry. i'm now in the senate. but you know, i can't help you. nobody else was helping them. they were desperate to get help. they were afraid child support would be below credit card debt. they were going to be left out and left behind and badly damaged. i could have said, i can't do that. because somebody in ten years might say that something else was going on. that's not the way i work. they came to me. i said this isout rajs. i went to the floor. i lobbied to get it changed. and, as part of getting the change from both democrats and
republicans, who were leading that legislation, they said if we change the bill at the last minute to take account of the issues you're raising, about women and children, which they clearly had not made a priority before i showed up, then, you know, you have to say you'll vote for it. it was, look, that's what you have to do. i swallowed hard. i said okay. it was also the case, it didn't get passed. i got what i needed into the bill. it stayed in the bill, even in a bad version that i posed in 2005. thank you for the opportunity to set the record straight. >> in the debate the other night, you said you would look into whether or not to release the transcripts of your speeches to financial groups. have you made up your mind? >> yeah, here's another thing i want to say. let everybody who has ever given a speech to any private group under any circumstances release everything. we'll release them at the same time. i don't mind being the subject in republican debates, the democratic primary. it goes with the territory. i've been around long enough.
at some point, you know, these rules need to apply to everybody. and there are a bunch of folks, including my opponent who has given, you know, speeches to groups. people on the other side who have given speeches to groups. if this is now going to be a new standard, then it should apply to everybody. then i'll be happy to look into it further. >> madame secretary. thank you for your time this morning. >> great to talk to you, george. thanks. we'll be back with "the roundtable." what do they make of last night's debate and the road from here? om here?
if you delay and you wait, the washington operators will take you down. >> there's so much that could be done. but i don't trust washington to do it. i trust the state capitals to be the source of innovation and reform in this country. >> best night yet for the governors on the stage last night. they're behind right now in new hampshire. across the country. let's talk about the debate. where the campaign goes from here on our "roundtable." joined by -- cokie roberts, matthew dowd, donna brazile, and bill kristol. let me begin with you, matthew. the big story coming out of last night. you saw marco rubio handing it this morning. he said he wouldn't do anything different. but the worst reviews of the campaign. >> i think he went in winning every debate coming up until iowa. and he lost the most important debate in his momentum campaign. that stalls any momentum he had. in. >> that serious? >> yes. his ability to get second place is now in peril. i think the second thing, more importantly than that, is this
kind of thing -- is this kind of thing a virus that he can't get rid of? over the course of the campaign. snow will everybody see him through this lens, and is he prepared? and is he only a canned speech man? >> and, you know, the point that they were going after him on, the governors, especially christie were going after him on and that you heard in the sound bite from jeb bush is a very important one. the truth is, up until 2008, we only elected two sitting senators ever president. and then in 2008, there were two senators running against each other. so you had to pick a senator. obama's big resume point was not the united states senate. so this is -- always a problem for these guys. they don't have accomplishments to point to. you're in the senate, you have to cast votes. and you do cast votes often on one side and the other of something because of the way legislation works. and so, the combination of the
fact that he has that senate around his neck, and the first term senate around his neck, and that he keeps saying the same thing over and over again, people are saying, what are you good at? >> is that what voters see? he said he raised a lot of money last night. he has people that want to watch him take on barack obama. is this something he just can come back from easily or is it like rick perry in the oops moment in 2008? >> david french had a good piece. rick perry with the horrible moment in 2012, too. will it linger forever, sort of like a virus. on the other hand, mitt romney had a horrible debate in south carolina. he couldn't explain why he wasn't releasing his income tax forms. he lost south carolina to newt gingrich. then he came back. the race will go on. i think if you're christie, certainly kasich or bush. i think kasich will do well here in new hampshire, incidentally.
you don't think, i'm not getting out after two debates. >> all three of them can stay? >> they can. maybe whichever runs the lowest will get out. i think in the last week -- one week ago in iowa, trump was supposed to win iowa. cruz wins it. no bump. maybe he's another huckabee or santorum. wins iowa but can't keep going. rubio has momentum. oops, he stumbled. all thee of them have shown enough in the way of flaws, if i were advising kasich or bush or maybe christie, i would say, why not stay in? isn't there another debate saturday? >> marco rubio was supposed to be the rock star to transcend all of this, what i call messiness of the republican party. he came out with a prerecorded stump speech in his head. he couldn't hit pause to respond to chris christie. chris christie prosecuted marco rubio.
and he kept coming back with the stump speech. and his stump speech was -- unlike obama, and then he stalled. i think it was bad night. >> he had ads on exactly the same. that same clip is on tv over and over. >> donald trump showed a lot of different sides of himself last night. he had to be helped with the fact that besides the exception of jeb bush on eminterceent dom nobody else took him on. >> i think it was a perfect storm with donald trump and john kasich. trump came in with a lead. he wanted to recover from the iowa loss. he gets the guy coming up close to him gets battered around in the course of the debate. he had a few shots. he basically stayed on even keel in the course of this. if we go into election night on tuesday, we may announce that
new hampshire picks presidents and they're going to pick a democratic socialist on one side if that happens, and a reality tv star on the other side. but new hampshire may be picking those two people as who they think is president. >> right now, they're both ahead. meantime, ted cruz last night, as well. no one touched him after the apology to ben carson. >> i guess it was a lot of reagan last night. reagan's 11th commandment. but cruz may not be a -- >> i don't think marco rubio feels that way. >> no, nobody turned the other cheek on rubio. cruz didn't want to perform. he wanted to get out of the way. he was beaten up in iowa. i agree with matt. kasich, you know, we get asked all the time on the democratic side, who do you most fear? i don't fear anybody. but, kasich last night, he talked as if he was looking past new hampshire into the fall. he talked to i think -- the fears of republicans, but the hopes of many americans. so i think he's one to watch leaving this state. >> more people stay in, bill
kristol. the more people that stay in, the better it is for trump, isn't it? >> maybe. but trump lost iowa. the late deciders went against trump in a big way. i think he'll underperform his poll number. in new hampshire. i don't think it's out of the question that john kasich could make it a close race. i think he'll become, of the governors, the one with the best chance here. >> what does that mean? he doesn't have a lot of money. he has to build an organization. if you put all his cheips here n this state? >> i think we feel this field has to get narrowed. i'm not sure the voters believe that. i don't think each of the candidates believes that. i think cruz could do well here. and be pretty strong. maybe this year's different. seems like it's been different from previous years. here's a couple of facts. every time since the modern primary system, '72, republicans
have nominated someone who won either iowa or new hampshire. you have to be first or second in both parties to win the nomination. trump is a weird wild card. cruz is sitting well. that is not nothing. coming in first or second in new hampshire would be big. >> and he goes into much more fertile territory for him as we go south. >> march 1st. >> right. the other thing is the rules have made it easier for people to stay in. you don't get to a winner-take-all primary until the middle of march. and you can have these superpacs to make it easier for people to stay in. because they don't have to raise the money. >> march 15th, florida and ohio. both on the same day, both winner take all. if rubio, kasich, bush stay in, and split those states, this could go straight to the convention. >> i think this goes for sure into april. even if jeb bush finishes fourth or fifth, he's going to go on. because he basically says, look, this guy didn't perform well. through the course of this race,
he's not going to perform well. i'm the guy that can step up and do that. even if kasich finishes second here, i don't think he has the resources to have a full impact by march 1st. maybe later on. both sides of this, democratic and republican, is going to go long into the spring and maybe early summer. >> -- agreed to debates through may. >> and right now in the latest poll here in new hampshire. has 58. bernie sanders, 35. hillary clinton, 23-point lead for bernie sanders. hard to see how she can come back. >> the clintons are 1 for 2 in terms of winning new hampshire. but they're 2 for 2 in terms of spinning new hampshire. my sense is that she has to close the generation gap. clearly, she has to expand the gender gap. if she can do that, i think it will be a ten-point defeat. they have a ground game here. they're going to continue to move those voters who are undecided along the massacsetts border. they'll give bernie sanders the western, the northern part. they're going to make this part of the state their battle ground.
>> if you had said six months ago, i think hillary clinton can spin a 10-point defeat to a 74-year-old socialist bernie sanders here in new hampshire, it's amazing. >> it's real, it's real. >> i don't know why everybody assumes, well, once we get through the first two states, where sanders has been 50-50 with clinton, suddenly it will all change. >> oh, it's not. it's not. bernie sanders could be the democratic nominee. it's a fact. >> and you're inviting. >> george and donna -- >> if donald trump and bernie sanders are the nominees in the major parties, welcome michael bloomberg. >> that's for sure. >> that will be a fun three-way race. >> wall street is playing the same kind of partisan issue that iraq played in 2008. it's become a very important issue for democrats. and i think, bernie has captured that on the democratic side. his ability to get independents
and young people, that is really -- >> what did you make about how secretary clinton handled that issue this morning. calling out bernie sanders for this campaign of innuendo? >> there's a lot of virtual internet rabble rousing going on. it's rattling nerves. will it's people being attacked of being part of the establishment because of being a member of planned parenthood. or human rights campaign. or -- lawmakers saying that that's not the record. look, we're having our fight on the democratic side. it's energizing. it's engaging. >> i think when a candidate has to say, it's very complicated. she does differ from bernie sanders on economic policies. that's a true statement. what she should say, i think if she were confident to win the debate, she could say, yes, we have pretty big difference. he's a socialist. >> i don't think she still has a good answer for this. she doesn't have a good answer.
gandhi said integrity is when your thoughts, words, and actions are in alignment. a lot of democratic voters -- >> wow, we have matt dowd quoting gandhi. >> i think the problem is, we all know. we've been involved in campaigns. we've all seen it. you're judged by your contributors and your friends. that doesn't do away. and hillary clinton, no matter what she says, when she takes $20 million from wall street and gives speeches to goldman sachs, she has to come up with answers. >> the right answer is, i'm proud that under my husband's leadership, this xhe did well. it can do well for wall street and for me. there's a sensible clinton democrat answer to bernie sanders. what was most striking about her conversation with you is she's not giving it. >> she was the senator from new york. what's in new york? wall street. >> she makes that argument. >> it doesn't help. >> i want to pick up on what bill was just saying. donna brazile, is the clinton team, once they get beyond new
hampshire, going to have to start making the argument more directly about socialism? are they going to have to take it on directly? >> they'll have to find a way to address the insecurities of americans that feel they've been left behind. at the same time, the aspirations of those -- >> that's not what i asked. >> i'm neutral. i'm neutral. >> i'll be donald trump. she didn't answer the question. >> hey, guess what? but, as a southerner, i know bernie sanders is going to be able to compete in the south. if he comes out of this state with a double-digit lead in terms of his national support, not national support, winning in new hampshire, he's going to give them hell in the south. >> could he win south carolina? >> he could get 40% of the vote. the fire wall will break with millennials. for bernie sanders. but hillary clinton has strengths. i know we talk about her weaknesses a lot. but she has an incredible, strong, what i call backbone.
but more importantly, she has people who will stand up and fight for her down south. >> we only have 20 seconds left. i want each of you to give me the month when each nomination will be decided. >> oh, the month. may. for the democrats. for the republicans, june. >> i'll say april for the democrats, may for the republicans. >> i say april for the republicans. and may for the democrats. >> i don't know. after hillary's indicted for the e-mails. then everything will -- oh. >> what are you dragging on about? >> there's an fbi investigation. we don't know what's happening. >> that's all fantasy football. >> and the super bowl is tonight. we're right back.
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