tv Defense News With Vago Muradian ABC February 28, 2016 11:00am-11:31am EST
[captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] vago: welcome to defense news. the story about an iranian citizen and 30 year naval command employee who was recently busted for lying about his identity. but first, nato is preparing for its next summit meeting in warsaw this summer as the alliance works to deter russia and support afghanistan. participants are also trying to deal with isis, stabilize libya, and grapple with other issues in the network. a highly decorated
british special operator, bradshaw commanded forces in iraq and afghanistan. i asked bradshaw why the alliance was an interdicting refugees and to explain the missions rules of engagement. >> as you say, the role for nato ships is information gathering, reconnaissance, and we will be doing that, but i think it's good news that nato has becoming gauged on a problem which is of great concern to everybody. and i think there is the potential for us to develop theeration between nato and european union in this context, which will be a good precedent to set for other considerations. do you see this expanding to an interdiction mission at some point? >> i think we need to let things develop. people are deciding what the full extent of any potential activity should be.
work out at an early stage. but i think it's good news that we are engaged. there are calls to say that this should become a formal nato mission. where do you see momentum on that issue, and what are the capabilities that nato would bring to the party that are not there now, should you have a formal mission? >> the primary capability we would bring to that party is the ability to craft military strategy. requiremente is a to look at a holistic strategy to deal with the raft of different centers of extremist violence that we see in an arc through afghanistan, syria, iraq, africa, libya, and into africa. this needs to be considered in a holistic manner. i
the thing we bring is the ability to craft sensible, holistic military strategy to be integrated into a wider complete for our global approach to extremism. of the issues people raise is that the kurds have been most effective at fighting isis, particularly in syria or iraq. but there is a concern that turkey, a key nato ally, is stepping up its operations against kurds, complicating that fight. what can the alliance due to convince turkey to align more closely on this particular issue? >> there are also words of parties involved in the fight against isis and involved in the conflict in syria. all of
and are supported by different people. that's part of the very complex theater of engagement. we need to balance the requirements and interests of all the parties if we are going to arrive at a sensible solution . what we cannot ignore are the sensitivities of an important nato member. we need to approach this in a sensitive manner. vago: libya is another area has metastasized, especially with the vacuum that was created after the disposal .f qaddafi what we saw a recently was the u.s. air force being
forces and winning a key victory. is that the model that needs to be further refined, to use more air power to back ground forces to minimize the impact in some of these places? >> airpower is an effective means, but just one of the military means at our disposal. again, i think our approach to libya and the whole of africa should be on a more holistic basis. nato has the ability to deliver a whole raft of different types of military capability, from combat power and combat operations through capacity building and training, through to the amelioration of human need. types of all capability. i think we need to look at that range of capability and see where they fit in the vastly complicated are
that is and surrounds libya. we can not just push at one particular point. we have to consider how we deal the thing in the round. vago: do you think there has to be better integration between the other arms of power and not be as purely focused on the military aspect? >> absolutely. it is one of the things we push for constantly. we need to have strategies that cut across military and economic domains. all of those strategies need to be brought into coherence. nato and the eu need to be able to cooperate much more closely than we do in developing joint strategy and
in the interests of the united states and others. nations in the east are particularly concerned about russia. tore is going to be a force reassure and reinforce the eastern nations. walk us through what kind of capabilities you are going to going towhere they are be stationed. >> well, first of all, this is a binary thing. it is not either or. it should not be looked at in this way. nations, both sil are very serious considerations. for russia, it is a question of reassuring them
it's about keeping our capabilities well honed for the inevitable requirement to use in some form or another. and that is not necessarily always overt combat activities, but also in capacity building, combat training, and helping countries that are on the verge of descending into chaos. that would be very important. is coordinateo do activities across the wide geographical front that we face in terms of isis and other , and not beesence probing in a piecemeal manner with a bit of this and a bit of that. vago: somehow it felt like everything was moving in slow motion. if i didn't react,
vago: we are back with british general aidan bradshaw. joint task force launched after the whales summit may be too small. in across as -- launched after the whales summit may be too small. crisis, it would take 48 hour's launch. meanwhile, russia has ballistic edssiles that could be tipp with nuclear weapons. >> the readiness action plan shat came out of the wale summit resulted in some decisions to put in place some very substantial elements of deterrence, but it is not the whole story, of course.
implies a great deal more work to do, and we are doing that work now. we are developing graduated response plans. we are starting to refine the plan send procedures for full on national runs but as for , butrence -- echelons deterrence does not consist of conventional ground forces alone. there are many elements. there are the different sorts of forces we have at our disposal from air forces to maritime forces to strategic forces. woven into aare pattern which creates deterrence . the key thing is to make the russians understand that there is no such thing as a limited conflict with nato. if they crossed the red
, they are up against the whole of nato and the whole of nato capability, and that is a very serious capability. vago: are you convinced that is a message the russians have taken? some russians look at syria as a that diffusesp whatever pressure they may be exerting over ukraine. do you think the message of deterrence has penetrated moscow? >> well, there is no absolute answer on perceptions of deterrence. it is always shades of gray. but we need to make sure that are on thee hands levers of power understand very clearly where the red lines are and the implications of crossing them. i don't believe mr. putin and ae russian leadership want strategic conflict with nato. i am sure they would
avoid that. we want to make sure they understand that taking certain mighties with nato inevitably lead them in that direction, so avoid it. vago: what do you think the priorities should be for the warsaw summit? obviously, there is a lot of work going into preparing for it. capabilitieshink -- are the capabilities the specifically address? >> it's not for me to lay down priorities for the warsaw summit. deliver or part of the collective effort for that. but clearly what the summit will do is it will make an assessment of progress on the readiness action plan. confident itly
plan, on time, and according to our stated requirement in wales. the summit will then consider where that leads us and how we take it forward. as i said, the readiness action plan implies a lot of work to in the sorts of modern, subtle, holistic ways that are required for deterrence. and i am talking about hybrid deterrence. the ability to counter aggressive behavior in military and nonmilitary domains. before, a degree of cooperation between nato and the eu on the political side with the united states and others so that we get the military thetegy aligned fully with diplomatic, political, and economic strategies.
a lot of the capabilities the russians are using are beyond the scope of anything that could be considered special operations. they are hybrid, completely designede-box thinking to specifically create bubbles of security from a russian standpoint that western airpower could then project force under. is nato doing enough work intellectually to prepare themselves for a future where little green men who you cannot , freed prisoners, any number of the tools we have , that the alliance has carefully thought through how to counter both the equipment , but also the it little green men part of it. >> well,
to counter all manner of threats in the military and nonmilitary , hence the requirement to align military strategy with the complementary strategies. say that anti-access not denial capabilities are particularly unconventional in their nature. they are certainly worthy of serious consideration and we are actively looking at those and how we deal with them in deterrence mode. but yes, we are looking at all areas of potential conflicts, both conventional and unconventional, and we are developing capabilities in all areas. vago: for much more of our interview, please visit defense news
vago: federal prosecutors last week indicted a 30 year naval engineer with access to government secrets on charges of lying about his dual iranian citizenship and creating false identities to conceal the ties and money he received from overseas. james robert baker, a naturalized u.s. citizen born in iran has been charged with lying about holding an active iranian passport and using four social security members -- numbers to open bank accounts and transfer money, including an unexplained overseas wire transfer of more inn 100 $30,000
baker faces 14 counts, including lying on his security clearance questionnaire and social security fraud. joining us is the times reporter who broke the story. dave, welcome to the program. or i should say welcome back. what was the legit motive for carrying -- the alleged motive for carrying out these plans? dave: honestly, in the indictment, they don't list the motive, but it's pretty easy to read the tween the lines. the prosecutor has a profile of that has a history of prosecuting high-profile cases, including a cuban mole. vago: so, he was moving his money around. do, and james baker what kind of infor
dave: i would love them to be hee forthcoming about what did. he was an electrical engineer according to the indictment. sources tell me he worked on cars. vago: and had access to all of the maintenance records in the navy. dave: virtually everything. not some of the top secret stuff. vago: so nuclear systems would not be included. but anything you would want to know about a ship, and certainly , say iran, would war to know in a time of that a ship had its missiles tagged out for an electrical issue, and he had access to that information. counteru have spoken to espionage experts. what is
dave: it's funny. i had a counterintelligence agent look at this for me and he said he could almost guarantee that this was a spy. i don't know if i would go that far, but he said it rings every alarm bell you look for in an espionage case, including it was routed through an intermediary in the united arab emirates. boxes, safe to deposito boxes and safe boxes, it rings all sorts of alarm bells. vago: and it was not just access to material stuff. he was inside the organization, so he picked stuff up at the water cooler, for example. ite: the government defines as causing serious damage to the united states if it takes -- if i
is exposed, that's the level of secret clearance. like thisdid somebody who was a dual iranian citizen for so long not get detected? dave: that's the million-dollar question. it's strange. a dualld not have been citizen. in fact, he claimed in 2001 when the navy caught him traveling to -- theyhis passport demanded he give it up. they suspended his security clearance. he challenged the suspension and lawyer said he had given up the passport. funnily enough, prosecutors allege that the passport he said he had given up was in a safe deposit box in vienna, virginia, when they raided his assets. vago:
what is the possible penalty he faces and what is next? -- faces aces maximum of 70 years in prison. the experts i talked to said there is no way he does 70 years. of the countsl are the same crime. he faces a trial in april on fraud charges. if there is more information to be found, experts tell me they are going to use the time he is sitting in prison. vago: that is all we have time for today. coming up, a personal expert tells us if adjustable rate mortgages are good for service members. jenna: it's true, you pay for stability in a slightly higher
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the battle over access to a dead terrorist's iphone is more complicated than a privacy versus national security debate. the justice department wants apple to create a key to bypassing corruption. apple counters it's not that easy. it deliver early engineered its new encryption without master keys or back door so that only customers can access their data. whether theis government wants to unlock only one phone or build a more permanent back door. terrorists are increasingly using widely available encryption to secure information from governments and hackers alike. the encryption cat is out of the bag, changing the security game. turning back the clock is not an
thoughtfully. wouldng encryption backfire by making u.s. products less appealing globally. many years ago, washington limited high-speed computer exports, which helped spread technology worldwide. are hardrts say keys to safe guard. more realistically, the government must invest in better intelligence, partner with toustry, and develop tools garner every advantage in an increasingly complex world. thank you for joining us for defense news. if you have any comments about this show or suggestions for future coverage, please e-mail me. have a great week.
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