tv Face the Nation CBS March 20, 2016 10:30am-11:30am EDT
>> dickerson: today on "face the nation." campaign 2016 rumbles on and front runners pick up delegates can anything or anyone stop them. those who want to stop donald trump from winning the republican nomination are running out of option, down to three-man race but is there realistic chance of winning for either john kasich or ted cruz. >> the establish. they don't know what they're doing. they have no clue. they don't know how to win. >> dickerson: we'll talk to the only candidate who beat donald trump, john kasich.
supporter south carolina senator lindsey graham. hillary clinton's campaign back on track. plus, we'll have some insights from florida voters disappointment in the prospect of match up between hillary clinton and donald trump. >> the greatest country on earth right now we're being forced to pick the lesser of two evils. >> dickers captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. there was more violence and protests this weekend on the campaign trail. outside phoenix, arizona, protesters blockaded the road several hours. three were arrested. later in tucson, a man who was with woman wearing a kkk hood was punched in the face by a trump supporter. and about a thousand anti-trump protesters in new york city marched from central park to trump tower. all of this activity picked up
towards his party's nomination. trying to stop that in a more peaceful way is governor john kasich of ohio. we spoke with him earlier. governor, in order for to you get the nomination you'd have to remaining delegates so how are you going to do it? >> well, first of all, nobody is going to have the delegates they need going to the convention. everyone will fall short. the convention, by the way, is an extension of the political process. so, what will happen is people will go there with certain number of delegates, we will go in to cleveland with momentum. and then delegates are going to consider two things. number one, who can win in the fall. i'm the only one that can. that's what the polls indicate. number two, john, really crazy consideration. like who could actually be president of the united states? i think when they take a look at my record both in washington and in ohio, with the job growth, the wage growth, reforming the pentagon, then can understand that i have the crossover appeal
i don't think is going to get there with delegates that they need to win. >> dickerson: why shouldn't the person who goes in to the convention if they don't have majority of delegates if they're well ahead why shouldn't they get the nomination? >> you know what, it's like one of my daughters said. i had an 86 my other friends had less than that so i should get an a. we got rules, you know, sweety, you have to make a 90 to get an a. we have rules as to how many delegates. if you go in way ahead, you're likely to be picked. what's interesting is in the ten contested republican conventions, you know that the leader going in only got picked three times. again, john, i have to tell you that who is going to win in the fall? who is going to beat hillary? these other folks can't win. they can't win ohio. i can tell you that. but in addition look at the resume. look at the record, who actually can fix this country, what can get us moving again both
policy. that should be a consideration now, it's not much of one to be honest with you. but when we get to a convention, i was there when ronald reagan actually challenged gerald ford. reagan? his message mattered. he came close, ultimately became one of the greatest presidents we've ever had. the convention is a very interesting thing and delegates take things extremely seriously. let me also tell you, john, if somebody can get the numbers they would win. they're not going to get the numbers. everybody chill out. >> dickerson: some people suggested you to drop out to get the numbers because ted cruz is closer to that number than you are. >> he needs 80% of the votes to get it that's not going to happen, john, you know it, i know it. >> dickerson: has anyone -- >> nobody is calling me directly asking me to drop out. by the way why don't they drop out. wait a minute, john, why don't they drop out?
you know another interesting thing, this party has run around for seven years saying, how is it that we elected a one-term united states senator to be president who has never had the experience. whatever happened to that? remember that? here is what i would say. i can win in the fall, they cannot. >> dickerson: you say you're delivering positive message you've stayed away from some of the back and forth, would you not in the pursuit of your nomination not want the help of the stop trump forces, the organized efforts to stop donald trump? >> you know, john, i'm not -- i am not in there for political science game or some calculation. let me just tell you, the people are nervous about their work, their wages, their kids' future. that's what i focus on, responding to that legitimate concern that they have. and i tell them exactly how in washington we had great success
i tell them about the 417,000 people who are now working in ohio who didn't have a job when i became governor. i have people that come to my rallies and thank me for the fact that i have focused on the issue of mental illness and drug addition. i don't have time to sit around thinking about this anti-trump group or that group. let me just do my job, okay? let me just continue to communicate to the public and we'll see where it all ends up. i think this is a very, very constructive message to the american people because i want you, the american people, you in your living rooms to believe that you can change the world and we need you to do it. because you'll revive the spirit of our country. >> dickerson: governor, people who are trying to stop donald trump believe that many of the things you just described are impaled by his candidacy that gives him exercise. is i'm just wondering whether you think they're wrong, they're crazy, they missed something? >> let them go -- you know what is interesting some of those
get out of the race they wanted to get behind rubio, what happened? rubio's out, i'm in. if i don't win ohio, guess what, trump is the nominee. i want -- how they want me to get out? listen is, these are the same establishment people that have been nighting me my entire political career. you know what, i'll tell what you is in my mind's eye. the people i grew up with, the people that walk door to door for me. we had people from 22 statesmanning phone banks in ohio. they came from all over the country to help because they're hopeful that together we can raise this country. i don't have time to think about all this political calculation in some back room somewhere, okay, john? i'm in the doing it. you have known me long enough to know what you see with me is what you get. end of story. >> dickerson: you brought on people to help you with the calculation, people with experience. >> sure. dickerson: you are thinking about the calculation --
minute, first of all, the convention is an extension of this process. of course i want stu spencer and charlie black and v.i.p. webber and i want tom ridge. of course i want the former governor of utah. i want them all to help me. what do we think the convention some sort of subject track final. nothing more than extension of what we're doing now. nobody gets delegates which they won't then we'll have to work at the convention. i will spend my time convincing them about my electability and my record. if they buy it, great. if they don't, i've done my best. john, i'm perfectly comfortable with this. >> dickerson: let me ask you presidential question about merrick garland put forward by president for supreme court. this could be decision you have to handle. what is your feeling about the way that your republican colleagues have responded to that nomination from the president? >> i never thought the president should send it i knew something
frankly ought to all sit down meet with the guy and my feeling is at the end of the day whoever gets elected president should be in a position to be able to pick who they want and the american people will decide by either voting for republican or democrat the make up of the court is. i just think that is a process that can unite us rather than a process that right now continues to divide us. >> dickerson: somebody talked about unity, would you take a look at mr. garland when -- if you were elected president? >> well, you know, he received overwhelming support, i think even from senator hatch. of course we'd think about it. the way we do it john, we look at person's record, i want to conservative who is not going to make the law but who will interpret the law. somebody of high standing, i don't care about their pick dill lows 30 years ago we have a process, i've appointed over 100 judges in ohio including a woman that fortunately i was able to
and we've had good success with our selection. >> dickerson: governor john kasich of ohio thank you. >> thank you. dickerson: after we taped that interview yesterday governor kasich said that he would not appoint judge garland to the supreme court that his comments were an effort to be polite. joining us from the campaign trail senator brands is in tucson, arizona. we've looked at the math here for the contesting go forward and it look like you'd have to win almost 60% of the remaining delegates. what is your path to the nomination that's a big number. >> it is. but i think that the states that are coming up on tuesday we have idaho, utah, arizona, heading out west to washington. we got alaska. we have hawaii. we think that the path forward is a pretty good path for us. clearly secretary clinton did very, very well in the deep south. not a strong area for us but i
see us doing better and better. i think people are also going to appreciate when they look at the polls that bernie sanders does better against donald trump than hillary clinton does. in fact in the last nbc poll we were 18 points ahead of donald trump far more so than secretary clinton that will play a factor in the coming states. >> dickerson: secretary clinton that's not the deep south. >> here is the point as you well know. she did. we -- at the end of the day you look at michigan, illinois, missouri, we come out almost the same in terms of delegates. >> dickerson: hillary clinton got about two million more votes than you have. the theory of our campaign of your presidency has been to create a movement, to create momentum to gather people. but she seems to be able to gather more people mind her message than you. isn't that a threat to the theory of the -- >> no, no, no. not at all.
she did very well in the deep south. carolina. i wish i didn't have to say this but everything being equal no democrat right now, i hope that changes, is going to win those elections -- those states in the general election. we have now won nine states. i think in couple of weeks going to see us win more states. i think we head to the west coast which is probably the most proceed depressive part of america -- progressive part of america, the grotesque level of income and wealth and equality, national health care, medicare for all raising the minimum wage, the $15 an hour i think the people in those states really are not going to be voting for establishment economics. they want real change. i think going to do well there. >> dickerson: you have over the last month or so been drawing greater contrast with hillary clinton, should we continue to
the convention, every sharp attack or distinction that senator sanders draws has hillary clinton becomes the nominee. >> trust me, there is nothing that i am ever going to say about secretary clinton that i've never run a negative ad. you should see some of the negative ads against us from the clinton come pain. nothing that i will say will compare in any way to what the republicans will say. what an election is about, john, is contrast in ideas. it is differences of opinion. and, yes, hillary clinton has moved offer the last ten months much closer to the positions that i've been advocating for 20 or 30 years. but the differences remain, our history in politics is very different. and i think the people of this councilmember tree deserve to
i think the central issue is, if you are secretary clinton and you are taking many millions of dollars through your super pac from wall street, from the drug companies, from the fossil fuel industry, are you really going to be the agent of change in taking on the billionaire class. taking on wall street. taking on the big money interests which we need in my view right now. and that is an issue that the voters will have to decide. >> dickerson: one last tactical question, senator, there's been a report that you might go to the convention and if you're behind in delegates try to flip those superdelegates to win through using the superdelegates is that a strategy you are looking at? >> the whole concept is superdelegates is problematic. but i would say that in states where we have won by 20, 5 points, i think might be good idea for superdelegates to listen to the people in their home state. i just talked to a person the
what, i am going to listen to my state, if my state votes for you, bernie, you're going to have my vote. i think that i would hope that lot of the superdelegates take that factor into consideration. >> dickerson: that is a strategy you're pursuing? >> well, to say to superdelegate banders won your state by 20 or 30 points you might want to listen to your state. i think that is common sense i think superdelegates should do that. >> dickerson: if they didn't come from state that you won they shouldn't feel compelled to go for you. >> well, they have their own decision. they have right to make that decision. i would argue that many of the superdelegates what is most important as it is for me and secretary clinton, by the way, making sure that no republican occupies the white house. and if people conclude by the end of this campaign if we have the energy, and it's an if, if
also an if. if that is the factor, appears that i am the stronger candidate against trump i see superdelegates saying, i like hillary clinton but i want to win this thing, bernie is our guy. >> dickerson: all right. senator sanders thanks for being with us. >> thank you, john. dickerson: we'll be back in a moment. ring is caring because covering heals faster. for a bandage that moves with you and stays on all day, cover with a band-aid brand flexible fabric adhesive bandage. day to feel alive" day to feel alive" jake reese, "
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generations overcome a trump candidacy. ronald reagan had the three-legged school. fiscal, social, strong national security. donald trump has four, got to bigger. economic population, race baiting, religious bigotry is the skill that he has formed that is his campaign, that is not conservatism. ted cruz in my view is a real republican who i often disagree with. i'm supporting ted because i think he's the best alternative to donald trump. john kasich is the most electable republican i don't know he has chance to win at the convention because outsider year, and john kasich is an insider and most delegates are looking for outsider. i love john kasich if he stays in this race they don't coordinate the efforts between cruz and kasich, we're going to wind up giving the nomination to trump. >> dickerson: you say outsider year, your description of trumps campaign, people are turning up,
>> 35 to 40% is probably where he's going to be. lot of people believe that illegal immigration is a real problem he's playing on the feeds. most rapist and drug dealers that's correct not. here is why we're losing hispanic vote. nobody is going to listen to you about your economic plan or your ability to -- if you're going to deport your grandmother, i'm in the party of family sam use. i like that. there are 11 million illegal immigrants, 60% have been here a decade. many have children citizen children and grandchildren. what do you think is going to happen to my republican friends if our position is that we're going to take the grandmother of american citizen, member of the military who is illegal. how do we get that person to vote for us if we're going to deport their grandmother when all she's done violate immigration laws. this is why we're getting killed.
we've had with lis panics and pour gasoline on it. >> dickerson: what is the gap between republicans who share your view would like to stop donald trump? what is the gap between what they say privately and what they're willing to do publicly. >> we're a divided party. we have a lot of angry people who have been told things by senator cruz and others that we could more than we actually could do. country is in a mess. i can understand being frustrated with illegal immigration. you're not going to fix it by having a position like mr. trump that has no chance of getting through the senate. >> dickerson: what i'm asking, how many people do you have behind you to stop donald trump because right now he's going past all these efforts. >> 55% of the republican party would like to vote for somebody other than donald trump. we're about to nominate the one person that not only would lose in 2016 but would detroy the party for decades to come. i would rather lose without trump than try to win with him. if he wants to lead the party, lead. >> dickerson: you won't go for
>> ask me later. i'm making it clear i think mr. trump detrois the party that i love as much as i disagree with ted cruz i think he's real republican, nominate conservative judges, will not lois decreal out. mr. trump is an interloper and what demagogue. >> dickerson: you've signed a pledge you'd be willing to break that pledge? >> i'm out of the race now. we can lose an election but i don't want us to lose our heart and soul f. we nominate donald trump, given who he is and what he said about immigrants, about muslims, and young women, we will not just lose an election, we've lost the heart and soul of the conservative movement. that's what is at stake. i hope john kasich is listeningf i thought you could win, you are the most electable candidate. ted to deny trump 1237 or 1239
you're hurting the cause by kasich going to utah making it harder for ted to get 50%. >> dickerson: the future of the middle east, which is more complicated or the republican party? >> there's a pathway in the mid east i don't see one right new for the republican party in all seriousness. there are lot of issues the country will be dealing with in the future. how you bring the broken and divided country together. if mr. trump the answer to the problems in the mid east this his foreign policy is jibberish. the mid east is a mess. the republican party is at tipping point here. we're going down one of two roads. the trump road which is destruction of conservatism. going to re-evaluate go down a road a little more optimistic, i think ted cruz and john kasich represent that path. mid east politics to me sends to be less of mess than republican party. that is saying hell of a lot. >> dickerson: very quickly, the
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you must not be happy about this election so far. what is going on? explain it? >> think we're losing sight or candidates are losing sight about what is really important to the american people. instead of us. losing track of what they're trying to achieve. >> most troubled by the fact that so many people support hillary and trump. it's shocking to me. none of people i know. they don't like him. they don't like hillary. they are so emotionally driven they act like kids. >> i think that donald trump is treating this like reality show like mid life crisis. he's already got the car, already got the plane. now he wants to buy the presidency, buy the country. hillary clinton, that's all she's got is government service life and she's been banking on it making money off of it this entire time. >> dickerson: more from these florida voters and frank in our next half hour. price, we can help guide your investments
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>> dickerson: welcome back. cbs news contributor frank spoke with group of florida republicans and democratic voters who oppose both hillary clinton and donald trump. let's listen to some of their conversation. >> you don't trust hillary >> not at all. >> you don't trust donald trump? >> not at all. >> how could you be more qualified than hillary clinton? >> she doesn't done anything that make her qualified. secretary of state. first lady. >> flip flopper. for me, i see character because
change as we have all seen. character defines who you are. not what you do. >> titles aren't accomplishments. >> i'm going to play for viewers at home that clip that you reacted to then understand why you resented it so much. you talk about leveling with the american people, have you always told the truth? >> i've always tried to. always. >> some people are going to call that wiggle room that you just gave yourself. always tried to i will never lie to you. >> but that's -- you know you're asking me to say, have i ever, i don't believe i ever have. >> what was wrong? >> you could turn off the sound and still see on her face that she was lying. she was the worst liar i think i've ever seen in my life. >> she lied about lying. >> for me it comes down to literally a bottom line decision to what length am i willing to go to keep trump out of the white house.
of two evils to run the free world. supposed to be the greatest country on earth right now we're being forced to pick the lesser of two evils. >> all these people keep saying that, there's two donald trumps, first off i'd like president with one personality. but if that other personality is better can we see that, please? he already said he's a chameleon he'll be totally different. even if he changed we would know if that is the real donald trump? >> i'm 46. i have voted in every single election, always for republican i will not vote if it's donald trump. >> how can you not? >> because i'm not bound to my party i'm bound to my country and to my dog and myself. >> country is more important. because neither candidate is acceptable they're going to be lot of republicans like me who are going to hope for broker convention. somebody is going to merge from the convention and have it
>> great opportunity is what we're demonstrating. there's a great opportunity for someone and that person better come forward fast because if the republican put donald trump and democrats put hillary clinton the worst turn out election ever. >> i have been voting straight republican over 30 years at this point in time i need to be able to look my grandson in the eye and tell him that i voted with principle. i supported a candidate of principle right now we don't have one. >> dickerson: frank luntz is with us, how hard was it to find -- >> rediluted less than 24 hours. there are so many, if you asked me i'd say about 15% of the above. never been this high this early in the campaign. >> dickerson: what about the democrats versus republicans, some people say false unhappy with hillary clinton, perhaps, but there is absolute
>> the difference is that it's trust. it's integrity with hillary clinton and trump it's unpredictability both of them are poisonous. you can see the new electorate right now. each week demonstrations get worse. the rejection of the other side gets worse. unwillingness to listen and try to decide who is telling the truth and who is best to lead us becomes more and more difficult. i've never seen so many republicans rejecting the likely nominee. i've never seen so many democrats saying i will not vote for her. this is significant. >> dickerson: remembering in '08 there were lot of clinton supporters we're never going to vote for barack obama. had that close to 50%. so, give me a sense of how these voters, can they changed? anything trump or clinton can do? >> so much easier to take someone who has got a positive image make it negative than take someone negative image make it positive.
language, his tone, his demeanor has brought so many people into the republican party that don't consider themselves republican but they are voting for him because they believe that he appreciates their anger. but he's losing a greater number of people in the general election and fact the protests work for him in the primary they make him more lickly to win. the until the owel independent, moderate voters don't like this at all. if hillary clinton's case she's got to be careful because bernie sanders voters are so devoted to him, so committed to him. not because of policy but also because of persona they think he's honest and direct and sincere. this campaign is not going to be about policy between now and november about who they are. >> dickerson: republican side just quickly, so, senator cruz versus hillary clinton does better in the general election than donald trump? >> oh, boy.
it's not just about who they are it's also about how they think and plans for the future. economic policy he has advantage. social issues, she'd have wash. with donald trump i don't know what he's going to say. you don't know what he's going i don't think donald trump knows what he's going to say. much.
chief at "usa today." reihan salam executive editor of the national review. ruth marcus is columnist at the "washington post." jonathan martin is national political correspondent for "new york times." susan i want to start with you where. is the republican race now as you see it? >> john kasich told you there have been ten contested conventions only three wept with the front runner. one contested convention since we went to modern primary system went with the front runner that was gerald ford in 1976. like it or not donald trump is likely to be the republican nominee for president that can be really messy convention or can be a relatively smooth convention. but the fact is, he is by far most likely nominee going at this moment. >> we won't know until california which is last day of voting june 7. california and new jersey two, large states will cast their ballot. in california is district by district with possibility of g.o.p. race coming down to a ted
battle. heartland of santa monica, marin county. to decide who next g.o.p. nominee is. >> dickerson: reihan, if you are not certain about donald trump or your actively trying to work against him where does the smart activity go? do you get behind kasich, ask kasich to drop out. >> kasich has a lot of decent qualities, someone who would farewell in general election he's from the midwest, a big swing state. also true that it is impossible for him to win and the idea that he is going to be the one coming out of brokered convention just defies comprehension. it speaks to level of self dilution, there have been a lot of did he have looksal candidates. ted cruz is very flawed but what is also true he has very strong consistent position on immigration, one can imagine some of the voters that donald trump energized going behind -- along with ted cruz it is very hard to imagine many other
and the other difficulty is that conservatives have to move at parallel track which is thinking hard about a minor party race as well doing both of those things at once. trying to deny trump the nomination while also trying to organize outside of the party if necessary to give conservatives a place to work is going to be really challenging. >> dickerson: you need third party creation. ruth, donald trump's meeting with washington republicans this week, he's talking about phone calls with mitch mccontinental and paul ryan and unity. what about those republicans who are getting there. >> there are some republicans getting to yes but lot of republicans getting to, omg with donald trump. i think we need to sort of pause and appreciate the pigs flying moment that we're in right now. to have lindsey graham endorsing ted cruz -- have republican
spent his entire time in washington and before. now, trying to coalesce around ted cruz is remarkable. the trump outreach to the establishment is interesting but what we see with trump is there is kind of one part outreach then two steps of riots. just behavior and comments that are not acceptable to the republican establishment. one quick thing i find the third party piece, i know you guys wrote about it. very far fetched. make it very difficult. >> one point there it is very difficult to get somebody on balance lot to run as independent which is where what they're looking at doing is piggybacking. the modern parties, libertarians, already have access. and doing that makes a little bit easier. it's still certainly long ball
with part -- >> dickerson: already exist? >> that's the other republican party? >> that's the other challenge, too. you have to convince them that that is what you're doing. >> what is the goal? >> stop trump. >> then what happens? >> who will not vote for donald trump or simply not going to tush out when you think about ballot races, the party apparatus going forward not obvious the third party would be vessel for the party to come. another thing that frank pointed out earlier if you look at young people, 18-29 voters they choose bernie sanders by wide margin. the republican party needs to think around that. donald trump, lot of voters frankly not going to be -- >> there's not a strategy that works. republicans i've talked to off the record, republican officials
to lose in november. the strategy is way to lose presidency built hold the isn't at, way to lose the white house but not have the party. that is discussion. they are not of one mind of whether ted cruz or donald trump is the smarter bet. if what you're thinking about is post 2016. >> the gap between what they say privately what they're willing to do public the gap is vast. >> but there is way to stop donald trump. the problem is, that they are divided between two candidates trying to stop him. and there's a very familiar divide, the pretrump divide. establishment and conservative. they can't figure out who should stop him, hard for the folks to get behind ted cruz. mitt romney and lindsey graham trying to make it easier but still very difficult. >> one of them would say the word endorse within they talked about ted cruz. >> the state of g.o.p. we have to lose with cruz it's important. >> astonishing, right? they are trying to save their party by nominating somebody
presidency. >> at the same time, i think that the notion -- i disagree with frank that donald trump would be a less strong candidate against hillary clinton and ted cruz. i think that the clinton campaign is quite nervous about the prospect of running against donald trump. because who knows. because all those down scale white guys, who knows what -- with ted cruz where he's going what he's going to say you don't know that with donald trump or what voters. >> i was shocked to see lindsey graham, by the way, willing to die on the hill of gang abate style immigration reform. to his credit willing to get behind someone like ted cruz but in creditable to see that position that is rejected by large majority of republicans he is still going to die on that hill. not just illegal immigration also larger concerns but what is the right immigration strategy for the future of this country. and that is something that, if
becomes associated what you might call grahammism or ryanism cruz. >> dickerson: you're pointing out the contradiction someone who believes in conservation immigration reform, nevertheless being a person who is saying ted cruz should be the nominee. it's a mixed message. here. >> more to come. dickerson: right. susan, donald trump said there be would be riots if the nomination were taken from him that was seen as way to -- incendiary things he right? >> both things are right. it's incendiary thing to say not something we've heard them say before. he is right. if donald trump goes to the convention just shy of 1237 but having won the most states, half won by far most delegates getting most votes, do you think -- they're going to go away quietly saying, cruz-kasich ticket, no. there's going to be trouble.
seen is continuing, escalating vie license at trump rallies by protesters and the much forces against the protesters. i think donald trump should think twice about continuing to fuel that particular fight. >> dickerson: switch to the democrats ask you this question. if people block the road to obama event in 2008 what would the democratic reaction have been to that the way they blocked roads to the trump event? >> i think you know the answer to your question. and i'm not -- i'd like to say that -- >> dickerson: which is what? >> which is people would -- democrats would have been outraged at the notion of people blocking access to obama events. and i think that actually there is a role for protests, but there also needs to be space, we've talked about it before with respect to black lives matter movement and stopping sanders from speaking. there has to be space for trump to relay his message as odious as it is and there's appropriate
disagree with that message without squelching it entirely. >> dickerson: what is the role forward? >> getting lot of media attention, pushing his message, winning delegates where he can go into the convention with the ability to leverage the party toward a more populous orientation. keep the pressure on her ideologically more than he is. an actual threat to win the race. >> dickerson: i was struck when senator sanders said, she may have got two million more votes but they're mostly in the south. he has such a message that will break through that that is why he would do well as president in -- >> revolution to -- more successful than any of us would have predicted six months tag to be clear. you're right, the math is hard. hard to see how he gets the nomination. hillary clinton needs bernie sanders on her side. once he finally gets out of the race after the convention she needs bernie sanders to make her case with energizing younger
crush her in that demographic. but to care enough about her candidacy to come out vote in november. >> watch for bernie sanders in the next bit to sharpen his missage against donald trump not as much against hillary clinton because he is looking down the road as well. >> dickerson: last question. how much can the democrats use what's happening in the republican race right now in the general election against whoever the nominee is? >> they can absolutely use it. particularly hillary clinton to great effect. the trouble is when you have tremendous succession you have the catastrophic success like hillary clinton might have in race against donald trump then democratic coalition becomes so big, so broad, so expansive that you start having more civil wars within that coalition. the bernie sanders challenge represents the future. this party that now seems unified against trump is going to have a lot of fractiousness. that is going to become something that's going to be very interesting to watch. >> prefer democrats right now. dickerson: sure, unsettled -- we'll have to end it there.
>> dickerson: we're back with chief legal correspondent jan crawford and attorney. blocked by the senate democrats in 2002. jan, i'll start with you. what kind of jurist is merrick garland has his has it changed that he's actually nominated someone? >> not in short term it hasn't changed calculus they were going to block whoever the president as isn't for mcconnell said early on would come up. that said i think this pick puts senate republicans perhaps the smallest possible corner because he really is the best pick that a republican senate could hope for from democratic president. as justice we have to assume he'll be much like he is as a judge. on that dc-based federal appeals court now in his 19th year
cautious, not someone who swing for the census try to remake the law as justice. but nonetheless a solid liberal vote that's why republicans are dug in. bows his nomination would change the balance of the court. that supreme court would be 5-4 liberals, for a generation. >> dickerson: what do you make of the republican strategy to just block? >> look, let me get started with my view which if to say when president puts somebody who is a qualified person the sebate should give him a hearing get him through. i think he is astronomically qualified. the strategy is political strategy, may enormous sense for leader mcconnell to do before the announcement. because it forced the white house to come to the table and put on the table the best qualified person that is the most attractive to the republican party.
ahead in the polls we were united behind a republican nominee who was clearly conservative the strategy might continue to make sense. everybody knows that's not the case within we come to the primaries in june and it's clear that best we're going to have a messy contested convention, i think would be number of republican senators who take second look at this and say, you know, it's a high quality person, we should give him a hearing and confirm him. >> i think you can't assume that say president clintonf she's going into the oval office would renominate merrick garland he's 63-year-old white guy. not the kind of home run that these liberal groups had hoped for. and so the argument to miguel's point that republicans could realize that they're going to get a liberal flame thrower come january. they better confirm this now. i think that is why the calculus could very well change in the month ahead. >> dickerson: miguel you
law and politics is there any legal or constitutional basis, though, in saying the president canned nominate somebody or if they nominate we're not going to listen to him? >> i think the latter. the latter is clearly okay under the constitution. all article 2 says president may nominate and meets affirmative consent of the senate to a point. if the senate supposed to do anything whatsoever that is not the consent of the constitution there for the person cannot be appointed. there is nothing the constitution that says that they senate have to have hearings or a vote. if there was, the filibuster which we have had more years and years would have been unconstitutional. >> federal appeals court because democrats filibustered his nomination to the dc based federal appeals court. president obama if you remember for justice alito voted to block, if the senate gets to
put us in the platetization of supreme court picks is this a big break from? >> i think that this lock been politicized. it's like the hatfields and mccoys you look back, this is a bitter battle, most senior members of the united states senate. this is a separate point but i think you have to give republicans in some ways a lot of credit for being honest about what they're doing. instead of putting nominee through the charade of a hearing and trying to dig up personal attacks to vote them down, they're saying, no, this is not about merrick garland this is about the process. say, for example, miguel estrada was nominated by president bush, they went through this charade democrats did of personal attacks. instead of saying, we're not going to confirm president bush's nominees we don't want some day. at least in this sense republicans are being honest. >> dickerson: about 20 seconds. the -- did you want to -- >> ancient history. seems to me as people we need to
when we have a bid from the president who is probably the best qualified person that a any party could have picked the party who rules the senate ought to take it seriously as a political calculation, give this a fair hearing. >> dickerson: wonderful. thank you so much. we'll be right back. to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company. one totally focused on what's next for your business. accelerating innovation. accelerating next.
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