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starting right now on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. trump takes control. the brash billionaire dominates in conservative south carolina. >> when you win, it's beautiful. >> his second straight win. >> let's put this thing away. >> now, no doubt, the outsider is the republican front-runner. can anyone stop him? >> south carolina has given us another remarkable result. >> the son of a bartender and a maid from cuba tonight stands one step closer to being the 45th president of the united states of america. >> trump, rubio, cruz. all here live. and -- hillary squeaks by. >> the fight goes on!
than ever. plus, apple goes to war. inside the tech giant's refusal to help the fbi unlock a terrorist's iphone. apple's top lawyer joins us live. from abc news, it's "this week." here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. good morning. after crucial saturday votes in this race for the white house, two candidates now in command. for the democrats, hillary clinton found her fire wall in nevada. the win out west, nearly six points over bernie sanders puts her back in control. she heads to south carolina and super tuesday with big leads in the biggest states. and for the republicans, it's all about donald trump. his double-digit win over marco rubio and ted cruz in south carolina, a possible delegate sweep, kills off the campaign of jeb bush. puts him in a powerful position. no republican who has won both new hampshire and south carolina
the big question for so many in the gop today, a question unimaginable one year ago. can donald trump be stopped? he joins us live in a moment. first, jon karl brings us the results of the biggest day yet in this campaign. good morning, jon. >> reporter: good morning, george. this is a remarkable moment in american politics. what once seemed utterly impossible has now moved one step closer to reality. hillary clinton could be facing off against donald trump this fall for the presidency of the united states. with his big win in south carolina, donald trump took command. >> this is nothing easy about running for president. i can tell you. it's tough. it's nasty. it's mean. it's vicious. it's beautiful. [ laughter ] when you win, it's beautiful. >> reporter: trump's back-to-back victories in south carolina and new hampshire bode well for his chances on super tuesday.
>> let's put this thing away. and let's make america great again. >> reporter: while trump celebrated, marco rubio narrowly edged out ted cruz for second place. both seemed to declare victory. ready to take on trump. >> after tonight, this has become a three-person race. and we will win the nomination. >> we are the only campaign that has beaten and can beat donald trump. >> reporter: after betting big on a south carolina comeback, jeb bush's distant fourth place finish ended his white house >> the people of iowa and new have spoken. and i really respect their decision. so tonight, i'm suspending my campaign. >> reporter: the field won't narrow much. john kasich and ben carson are both staying in. meanwhile in nevada, hillary clinton was finally able to slow >> some may have doubted us.
>> reporter: while conceding a defeat, sanders touted how quickly his campaign has closed the gap. >> we have come a very long way in nine months. it's clear to me, and i think most observers, that the wind is at our backs. we have the momentum. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: back in south remarkable strength across the even winning evangelicals over ted cruz. and so far, trump has won 44 of the state's 50 delegates. the remaining six could still go his way. and the map, and the math, get even better for him as the race goes national. by march 15th, half of the delegates will have been awarded. among the states voting on march 1st is ted cruz's home state of texas. if cruz is to have a prayer of winning the nomination, he has to win there. two weeks later, it's marco rubio's home state of florida. if rubio is to have any chance at all, he absolutely must win
primary. >> no question about that. thank you, jon. let's bring it to matt dowd. our political analyst. you've been bullish on donald trump's chances for some time. nomination? opponents. he had the best odds. now he has basically three opponents left. fundamentally. his odds have only improved. the problem for the other candidates is that donald trump has a clear path. a clearer path to the nomination while the other candidates don't. in that scenario, donald trump is the odds on. >> they've been willing to take each other on more willing than to take on donald trump. what has to happen? >> i think two things have to happen. the first, somebody else has to catch fire much better than in the past. not like iowa or new hampshire. somebody has to catch fire. the other thing is donald trump is playing the version of political jenga. he's been taking blocks out, taking plox out. and everybody thinks it's going to fall. at some point, if he takes out
fall. but both of those things have to happen. >> thank you, matt dowd. let's go to donald trump. thank you for joining us this morning. congratulations on your victory. you think you have the nomination in hand? >> no. no, not at all. i mean, look. i'm dealing with very talented people. very smart people. great politicians. and ben carson still in, i understand. he's a terrific guy and talented guy. so, you know, i'm dealing with smart people, talented people. i never take it for granted. >> you said last night, we go back to war tomorrow morning. who is your toughest competition right now? marco rubio or ted cruz? >> i think they're both tough. i think they're all tough. i mean, everybody in this is tough. they're all very accomplished people. i would say this. i was hit very, very hard yesterday by ted because he did two robocalls. one on the confederate flag, which was, you know, very tough and unfair. and one on -- i guess gay marriage. and they were one came on at
something i didn't anticipate. one came on about 12:00 in the afternoon. during the election. i said to myself, wow this is a tough business. these people are worse than manhattan real estate developers. this is rough stuff, politics. i thought maybe they would have a bigger effect than they did. i didn't know i would win by that much. and we won by a lot. we won every congressional district. got every single delegate. that was sort of record-setting stuff. they really hit me hard with negative ads. >> you're hitting them hard, too. you actually sent out a retweet suggesting marco rubio might be ineligible to be president as well. both cruz and roub yo are ineligibility to be potus. do you really believe that? >> i think the lawyers have to determine that. it was a retweet. not so much with marco. i'm not that familiar with marco's circumstances. >> but then why retweet it? >> i think -- because i'm not sure.
determination. i know ted is being now -- i think ted is being sued by somebody, having nothing to do is being sued by somebody. maybe it's in new york. having to do with eligibility. that out. >> you're not sure that marco rubio is eligible to run for president? you're really not sure? i have never looked at it. somebody said he's not. i retweeted it. i have 14 million people between twitter, facebook, instagram. i retweet things. we start dialogue. it's very interesting. maybe that's why i have 14 million people. and other have 200 people. i don't know. >> do you think as you get on the path for the nomination, you're the clear front-runner right now? you're in command of the race, you're going to have to be more careful about the kind of things you say and tweet? >> i didn't know i was going to win by so much yesterday. you didn't either. nobody thought i would win by that much. that was bigger than the polls. the polls said three or four points. and i won by more than ten points. and that was a lot. they said i would get some of
but certainly not all of them. and i got all of them. i had no idea i would win by that much. certainly after the robocalls i never thought so. >> think the republican establishment might close ranks right now and really try to come down hard on you and block you from this nomination? and if they do, is it still possible you would run as an independent in the general election? >> i don't think that is much of a possibility. i don't think i'm being treated fairly by the rnc. every time i walk into a debate. i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm not getting money from the special interests, the big drug companies. everybody else is. everybody on both sides. but everybody else is. i walk in and they have all special interests, lobbyists, donors. sitting in the room. i don't in any donors. i don't have any special interests. i don't have any lobbyists. i walk in, it's dead silence except for my wife and kids. these guys walk in, they say something that is stupid or not even good and they get standing ovations every time they open their mouth. it's very unfair in terms of the
some people don't. some people think the new york values debate was better. but i thought i had my best debate. it's very unfair when a room is so stacked. >> so if you win, sit a hostile >> no. not at all. establishment of the gop. i say proudly. i gave $350,000 to the republican governor's association. before the june 15th -- before i ran. before june 16th. money to people in the republican party. i gave to everybody. i was very establishment. and then once i ran, they said, wait a minute? what's going on? they like to control the people, the senators, the congressmen. so when they go for military they make sure they get it. the country. as a self-funder, i'm the only
and as a self-funder, i'm going to do what's right. it's certainly different. that will be good for the party. because we're going to win the election. two polls came out recently where i beat hillary clinton and i beat bernie sanders. i don't think bernie sanders will be the problem. i think hillary will be the one i'm competing against. unless she has legal problems, which will be determined. >> you told me months ago you would release your tax returns. "the wall street journal" editorial page came out yesterday and said mr. trump should release his returns going back at least a decade before super tuesday on march 1st so republican voters can know what they're voting for. if his records are as very he should be eager to release will you release them by super tuesday? >> no, i won't. they're massive. let me tell you about "the wall street journal." i have no respect for them. i don't think thai -- they know what they're doing. they've taken me on so much. it's so ridiculous. every day, editorials. bad editorials.
which was so wrong. i said they should fire the pollster and they should fire the editorial staff. i think these are people that i don't want to read it much anymore. if you look at their polls, one day and two day, two polls before the election. they turned out to be so wrong. that they should honestly, they should fire their pollster. so i don't care what "the wall street journal" says. what they say doesn't -- in fact, if anything, i would do the opposite. that will turn out to be more correct. >> so no release before you're a nominee? >> at some point. we're going to talk about it. at some point. we'll release. why is there such a rush? i released my financial statements. which are much more important. and everybody was amazed at how big and how great the company is. much bigger than they thought. it's a great company. very little debt. tremendous cash flow. some of the best assets in the world. i say that only because that's the kind of thinking the united states needs now. because our country is in financial trouble and military
we're in every kind of trouble you can have. our country is a mess. we're going to strengthen the border. do all of the things you and i long time now, george. it will be great. >> mr. trump, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you very much. and we're joined now by the carolina. senator marco rubio. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> we heard donald trump say run for president. your response? >> well, this is -- look this is a pattern. this is a game he plays. and outrageous. the media flocks and covers it. and then no one else can get coverage on anything else. people running for president. that doesn't work anymore. i'm going to spend zero time on his thoughts on eligibility. about what this campaign should be about. this country faces a very significant and important choice in 2016. and it needs to be made in a
extraordinary if we get this election wrong. republicans need to nominate someone who is going to unify the party, grow the party, and win this election. that's why i'm asking people to vote for me. to on my website, marcorubio.com and sign up to support the effort. >> one note that mitt romney may be set to endorse you? is that true? have you spoken to him? do you expect it? >> i have spoken to him. he's not set to endorse me. if he were, we would not be announcing it on "the huffington post." but he's not scheduled to endorse me. i would love to have his endorsement. there's nothing forthcoming today or in the days to come, as far as i know. >> his top strategist, stuart stevens, is in "the new york times" this morning taking a shot at your campaign. he's saying -- it's crazy that nobody else is trying to win but trump. rubio is not going after the person who is winning. i've never seen a campaign that seems as satisfied to not go after the leader.
70% of the vote. so we had a very unusual circumstance. i had one superpac that spent $40 million going after me. you can only take on so many people at one time. this is not about going after donald trump. it isn't. people want to obsess about that. this election is about who is best capable of uniting the >> he is the front-runner. >> it's about who is the most when you have seven people running. 70% of republicans nationally have basically said, we're not voting for donald trump. when that vote is being divided up between several people, of course he's the front-runner. be closer. we have to nominate someone that can take our message to new people, and that can win. someone that is going win in november. we cannot lose this election.
nominate someone as conservative as anyone in the race. i am a conservative that can unite us. that can grow this party. and that can ultimately win in november. that's the argument we're going to be making. if there are differences between me and donald trump on policy, as i'm sure there are, we'll talk about those. >> what are the differences plain and simple. bottom line, is he qualified, in your view, to be commander in chief? can you support him if he's the nominee? >> well, i'm going to support the republican nominee because what the democrats are offering is so horrific. i will say this. i don't believe he's exhibited an understanding of foreign policy, which is the most important job of the commander in chief. to say i'm going to surround myself with smart people, that's not enough. surrounding yourself with smart people alone is not enough. you, yourself, have to make judgments. you have to understand these things. and here's the deal. on the day he becomes president, or i become president, whoever
putin is not going to have a six-month honeymoon period. the world is not going to wait until you catch up before they start teing you. you better understand these from day one. our next president has to be someone to bring this country together. some level of unity. not unanimity. but unity. that's the kind of president i'll be. i'll be a president for all americans. even those who do not agree with me. i think that is very important given what we have faced in the last seven years and how divisive barack obama has been. >> three big contests so far. third, favorite, and now second in south carolina. the big question for you is, where do you win? >> well, when we get to the winner-take-all states we have to start winning. they award all the delegates to one person. if you look at what we're doing now. we're going to be doing national campaign. i'm in tennessee today. then arkansas. we finish in nevada. tomorrow more of the same. we're competing everywhere. the way this process works for people that are watching, these states are awarding delegates
come march 15th, if you win a state, you get all of their delegates. that's when it's really going to start to matter. we'll be in real good shape for that. >> and florida is must win? >> i think that is true for everyone in the race. it's always been true. we feel real good about florida. especially now that the race is narrowed. i have a lot of admiration and respect for governor bush. we obviously shared a lot of supporters. now that he's suspended his campaign, i think that boosts us not just in florida, but ohio. and other key places. >> senator rubio, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. and we're joined now by the man who came in third in south carolina. senator ted cruz joins us. thank you for joining us this morning. you said you defied expectations last night. how is a third place finish defying expectations? >> well, listen. we have been through the first three primary states. we won iowa with a big margin. came in third in new hampshire. in a state where they said a
in a moderate new england state. last night, we effectively tied for second. that combination, what that has resulted in, there is now only one strong conservative remaining in this race that can win. our game plan from day one was do well in the first four states. and consolidate conservatives to go forward into super tuesday. i think we're positioned ideally to do that. >> your base. trump won them over. how do you explain that? doesn't it bode ill for you on super tuesday? >> well, listen. donald trump has proven to be a formidable candidate. one of the things the first three states have shown is there is only one campaign that has beaten or can beat donald trump. you know, 70% of people across this sunt, 70% of republicans,
the right candidate to go head to head with hillary clinton and beat her in november. one of the things we're seeing coming out of last night is people are recognizing, okay, if we want to beat trump, cruz is the only one who can do it. it. part of the reason is, george, you cannot beat trump coming from the left. candidate who supports amnesty. it doesn't work. if you come at the left to trump, you will lose. the only way to beat trump is with a strong proven constitutional conservative. that's why we have had 980,000 contributions at tedcruz.org. people across the country are saying, look. we need to actually have a real conservative. and i think south carolina will only axel ccelerate that process. case. it's not work something far. donald trump won new hampshire. won south carolina yesterday by a large margin. as you know, no republican who has won both of those has ever been denied the nomination. are you going to be up to having to make a new and tougher case against donald trump? and what is it?
everyone in the media said trump we, then, had the largest turnout. earned more votes in iowa than any republican in history. last night, one of the most encouraging results? our campaign, we won young people in south carolina. what? we also won young people in iowa. two states in a row that we won new hampshire, we were in second place with young people. you want to talk about where the excitement, the energy is, young people want a brighter future. they want their constitutional rights protected. and i gotta say, one of the things that was remarkable, if you look at south carolina, we had millions and millions and millions of dollars of attack ads coming against us. marco was endorsed by the popular governor and senator and congressman of this state. all the establishment circled their wagons around marco. and yet, he still only came in second after his campaign promised everyone they were going to win the state.
heavy hitters come behind our campaign. if we had come in second or third, you guys would have barbecued us for having all the big hitters behind us and not winning it. we won iowa. even though all the big hitters were behind one of our opponents in south carolina, we still effectively tied for second. what we're doing systematically nationally is we're unifying conservatives. >> that may be true. as long as you and marco rubio are going after each other, doesn't that give donald trump a clear path? >> no doubt. i thought the question you asked marco, why he's afraid to take on donald trump, that's a great question. if you look at donald, domd de nald devotes all his time and energy, money, to attacking me. that demonstrates that donald sees me as the only real threat to him and for that matter, marco devotes all of his time and energy to attacking me as well. he's been unwilling or afraid or for whenever reason, he won't take on trump. if you want to beat donald
demonstrated we can beat donald trump. i'll tell you, going into super tuesday, i think we're positioned, nine days from today, to have an amazing day. our base on the ground is strong. listen, republicans want a real conservative. they don't want someone like donald trump who supported john kerry, jimmy carter, hillary clinton. who supported expanding obamacare into socialized medicine. supported the wall street bailouts. the obama stimulus. they want, instead, someone who will stand up to the washington deals. >> we'll be watching. senator cruz, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you, george. much more ahead with the powerhouse "roundtable." and reince priebus. is he prepared for a brokered convention? we'll ask him next. (vo) if you have type 2 diabetes, you may know what it's like to deal with high...
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we have heard from the candidates. joined now by the chair of the republican party, reince priebus. thank you for joining us this morning. i was struck by a number in the exit polls. more than half of south carolina voters feel betrayed by the they voted in big numbers for donald trump. is his success an indictment of the party you lead? >> no, i don't think so, george. i think that if you look at all theeds exit polls on both sides of the aisle, i think people are sick and tired of politics in sick and tired of washington, d.c. and i think, just actually sick parties.
wouldn't deny it. but, obviously, all these folks are fighting to be the nominee. and spokesperson of our party. we're going to be there to support whoever that nominee is. >> you talk about spokesperson for your party. when cow talk about donald trump. just this week, he said president bush lied about weapons of mass destruction. that's what many called a liberal left position. he was called unchristian by the pope. he embraced torture to fight terrorism. he supported democrats much of his adult life. taking positions in this campaigned a odds are the republican party. are you really prepared to have him as spokesperson for the republican party and to lead a convention that nominates him? >> if the delegates, you know, get accumulated in such a way that any one of these candidates becomes the nominee, it's our job to support that nominee. and we will. so yeah, we're prepared to support whoever the nominee becomes. i think it's early in the process.
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delegates before the convention to win on the first ballot. you have said it's early in the process. but are you prepared now for a brokered convention? are you planning for it? what does that mean? >> planning can mean a lot of things. we're prepared for anything. i was general counsel for two years before i was chairman of the party. i've been chairman for six years. i don't think there are too many people more familiar with the procedures of nominating someone at a convention than i am. so, i am prepared. and we'll be prepared if that happens. but again, i don't think that will be the case. if it did, then, of course, obviously, it would be pretty historic. but we'll be ready. >> mr. chairman, thank you for your time this morning. >> you bet. thanks, george. "roundtable" is up next. and coming up, apple doubles down in its standoff with the fbi. we're live with their top lawyer. and later, the powerhouse puzzler. brought you to by voya
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supporter of hillary clinton right now. let's begin with the big question on the table. the one i asked matthew dowd at the top of the program. is donald trump now the can he be stopped? >> i don't think he can be stopped in totality. i think we're now in a delegate race. as we head into super tuesday. the delegates selected by the end of that evening. donald trump is going to have a majority of the delegates, most likely. the question for the republican party is, how do we get folks accumulate enough delegates at a convention to beat him? >> you have jeb bush out of the race, alex castellanos. it look like john kasich and ben carson will stay in. you have three solid candidates no matter what. they're still going to be dividing a lot of the vote. >> but what if donald trump already is stopped? what if he's stopped in the mid 30s? he's hardened a vote around himself that is intense. will walk through ice storms to
vote against himself. jeb bush drops out of the race. a lot of that vote goes to rubio. rubio is running close to trump now in georgia and states like virginia, states like north carolina. if cruz wins texas. rubio wins some of these other states, goes into florida. wins that. what if there's a romney endorsement? rubio may have won the nomination last night. >> the problem with that, alex, then effectively what you have described is three men splitting the delegates a third, a third, and a third. and in that scenario, this thing is going to go much, much longer. we're in the convention, potentially. >> i think there's a premise in that that i don't think we have been proven yet. which is, when you win, your ceiling usually goes up. when you look at the past races, when you start winning, more
i think donald trump, as of tomorrow mortgage, is going to start looking across the landscape. his numbers in the states that were already high will rise because he won. >> democrats prepared for a race against donald trump? them. great contrast with what the democratic side. donald trump being anti-mexican, anti-muslim, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti-science. and hillary clinton putting together this coalition that look like america. it's an -- it will be an incredible contrast. he is now the face of the republican party. i hear these guys desperately hoping that that's not going to be the case. but donald trump is now the face of the republican party. they've made their bed. they have to lie in it. >> but democrats need to be extremely worried. they're down% in terms of
granted, you had more conditioneds candidates in 2008. so what they should be focusing on right now is yes, you have, stop complaining about bernie sanders being this the race. you need him in the race because you need media attention. you need a lot of folks paying attention. they should be driving hard. registration, registration, registration. i don't understand why they're not spending a massive amount of money in texas to register those 2.1 million eligible unregistered hispanics. georgia alone that are unregistered. african-american and latino. that's where they should be. it will be a turnout game for >> one of the things we learned yesterday. a couple of things we learned yesterday. the establishment force in the democratic party is stronger than the establishment force in the republican party. buz they were -- the establishment force was able to stop bernie sanders yesterday. hillary clinton had a big win. the other thing i think we're seeing is, the to dominant players that emerged from yesterday.
ed. hillary clinton is not doing well with younger voters. distrusted by the majority of the country. disliked by the majority of the country. donald trump, distrusted and disliked by the majority of the country. >> let me pick up on the first point. this has been remarkable. this grumbling among republican establishment. fear among the republican establishment of donald trump. not many willing to stand up and do something about it. >> that's right. you have not seen much money spent against him to date. and, what's more is, i think the challenges -- we haven't been able to get behind an alternative. there's no evidence that ted cruz will get out. marco rubio is on the ascent. john kasich believes he has a fire wall in michigan and ohio. unless we call the field to one alternative, donald trump may not be stopped. >> that's not the problem. >> donald trump -- >> from a delegate map perspective, yes, roland, it is a problem. >> roland then 'lex. >> i think donald trump is plutonium. it can fuel your business but it can also kill you.
and there's a good argument to do that because he may be capped. the way to run against donald trump is to run against hillary clinton. is to a generational race. leave him behind. he may be stuck exactly where he is. >> that's what's been happening for the last six months and he's running away with the nomination. >> george, this is their problem, george. this is their problem. they invited evil in. and now evil is taking over. okay. 2009, the night of obama's inauguration, we will stop him at every turn. they love the tea party anger. they took advantage of it. in '10, '12, '14. they said, we can control it and harness it. now all of a sudden, trump is taking advantage of it. the republican establishment has to say, we played with fire. now it's about to consume us. they have to accept some blame. >> the republican establishment never played with fire. donald trump is going to take over.
has played with fire. it looks more like a hostile takeover. donald trump is not a conservative. he's not a republican. >> why did they like his birther against obama? the fund raising in 2012? no, no, no. if they allowed donald trump to ride the birther issue with obama. did they accept his fund-raising prowess in 2012? >> we've told america that our principles are only good for saying no and telling people what they can't do. there's a democratic party that washington hasn't done enough. a republican party that can only guess what? the american people are furious on both ends. they want to throw everything out. the failure belongs to both parties. >> i agree with alex. what created donald trump is both party establishments. basically, the country feeling in washington does not work with certainly doesn't work for the working class of the country. that's the same thing that created bernie sanders. >> only 4% of the republican
attacking donald trump. you have had total hands off. ross dalpat from "the new york times" had a great column the other day. said this is the way to attack donald trump. go right at the hypocrisy of him having created stuff like, trump mortgage. go after the people that were hurt. go right after his base. >> that's been done. >> those who went on -- it hasn't been done. >> it hasn't been done. >> you have not -- >> political ads in this -- >> he's got -- he's making ties in china. >> one at a time. matthew? >> political ads in this campaign have not worked. does anybody not think out there that the voters in the republican party don't have all the information about donald trump? they have the information. donald trump's done more to attack himself than any other candidate and he continues to win. the problem is, until this race, i agree with sara. until this race goes to a one-on-one race. and it may never go to a one-on-one race, donald trump wins. >> don't try to blame the democrats for this one.
midterms. but now the anger is about to take over their party. they have no idea what to do. >> voters know these candidates. this has been national campaign. we've had them in front of us for months. we're exhausted with them. there's no new information that will change that. what is going to change it may be winning and momentum or geometry. candidates falling out. that's what's going to change things. that's what gives marco rubio a shot. >> here's the challenge moving forward. i don't believe donald trump will ultimately be the nominee. it may be a bloody fight on the convention floor. >> is that a dream? is that a dream? >> it may be a bloody fight on the convention floor. he'll represent the party in november. but whoever does needs to figure out how to harness his supporters. that will be very challenged. >> donald trump represents 50 million or 60 million frustrated
weird thing over there. he represents a huge chunk of the american public. they're trying to vent how they feel. their frustration and anger. >> you're not saying 50 million, 60 million will vote for trump? >> if donald trump is the republican nominee for president, 60 million americans -- >> wait, wait, wait, wait. >> part of the issue is anger. they're ticked off at america changing in terms of how we look, becoming a majority-minority country. they're ticked off. when it comes to republican policies. they're saying i haven't been impacted economically. guess what? those same voters at some point, need to say, i was the one who screwed up because i kept voting for some folks. they also have to say, hold on, hold on. that's the mistake we make. we want to -- we want to hold everybody accountable except for the people that vote for candidates. the other thing is i would say to those same folks, oh, john wayne. donald trump is my man. show me how that man has cared about a republican voter over his career? no, no, no. >> wait, wait, wait. i was going to say, in the general election, when you put
foreign policy and in going and doing that against hillary clinton's, she'll have a chance to pull over a lot of independent voters. second -- wait, wait. last night, last night, if you asked people in nevada what their number one issue is, they would say jobs. she won those voters enormously because she has since new hampshire, started to focus her message on what is causing people to be -- have barriers. >> i have to call time. >> 650,000 voted in south carolina. >> that was great. it was live. this is going to continue. we have to come back. when we come back, apple on the hot seat. should they help the fbi unlock a terrorist's cell phone in we're live with apple's top
we're seeing many more people involved in terrorism investigations using peer to peer communications. it gives us grave concern. >> on your smartphone today, your iphone. there's likely health information. there are independent mat conversations with your family. and you should have the ability to protect it. and, the only way we know how to do that is to encrypt it. >> apple and google are their own sheriffs. they're acting like teenagers, saying no one can tell me what to do. >> that battle between apple and the fbi ramped up big-time this week when the fbi asked a judge
unlock the iphone of the san bern bernardino terrorists. we're joined by the lawyer who will be making apple's case. ted olson. mr. olson, thank you for joining us this morning. the justice department had tough words for apple. in its court filing. said -- this is not about privacy and security but apple's concern for its business model and public brand marketing strategy. how do you respond? >> well, in the first place, i have to say, we have the greatest respect for the justice department and the fbi for their goals and their motivations. we would hope that we would get the same respect and understanding back. this is an extremely important debate about privacy, civil liberties and so forth. we want, and apple has helped the fbi in this investigation in every way the law required. but it has to draw the line at
changing its iphone, putting its engineers and creative talents to destroy the iphone as it exists. apple has a responsibility to maintain the trust and faith of millions of people who have depended upon apple to produce a product that protects their privacy, their intimate personal life. this is a pandora's box. we're not just talking about one magistrate. there are hundreds of magistrates. hundreds of other courts. and there's no limit to what the government could require apple to do if it succeeds this way. we're before a judge. the judge hasn't decided yet. there will be arguments. this is a process that even the fbi director has recognized is an important national debate. the law doesn't require apple to do what the fbi is asking so far. congress hasn't addressed the
apple is adhering to the trust of its millions of iphone >> how far does this principle extend? what if the fbi had secured the phone of the terrorists still at large? would apple be opposing this >> apple cooperates in every way possible. if you were asked or your network were asked to create a program -- to create a program to use your talented to ensnare a kidnapper, a criminal, a money-landerer, or a terrorist, you would have the responsibility to resist that unless and until there's legal authority that requires you to do that. apple respects the law. but the -- this very issue was debated, fbi director comey who i know and respect a great deal, specifically said there should be a debate. congress should maybe do something about this. the government decided not to submit that legislation to congress. it needs to be done. we're waiting for a court to hear the issues and decide this
there's a -- a matter -- this is not just one magistrate in san bernardino. there are judges all over the country. and foreign governments. people in foreign countries that will be very, very susceptible to invasion of their privacy if apple can be forced to change its iphone, to redesign its iphone. it's cooperated in every way it can with respect to the powers that it has. it's resisted changing the system that people have trusted. >> how far is apple willing to take this fight? will mr. cook and apple executives be willing to be held in contempt of court and go to jail? >> i don't want to get ahead of the judicial branch. there's a magistrate yet to have a hearing. i'm sure if it rules in our favor, the government will appeal. if it rules against apple, an appeal to a district judge. then to a court of appeals. ultimately, possibly, to the united states supreme court. we're not talking about contempt
we're talking about respecting the fact that a court hasn't really ruled yet. and congress has decided not to enter into this area and not to require apple to do what is basically, essentially very difficult to do and would require apple to comply with these kind of court orders all over the country and other parts of the world. damaging your personal, financial privacy, health records. your location. where your children are. the implications are very serious. i think we all need to step back and good for you for having us on your program. so we can talk about it. we need to debate these issues. remember, terrorists wish to change our lives. they wish to take away our civil liberties. we can't surrender our civil liberties and give the terrorists victory that they actually seek. we had a revolutionary war over general writs supplied by the king.
we have to stick to principles. much. we're joined by john miller, the nypd's deputy commissioner. mr. olsen said, this is going to affect everybody. everybody's privacy. everybody's security. your response? >> um, mr. olson is not a good american. he's a great american. he's served his country as solicitor general in the justice department. he's been a first amendment lawyer in other cases. but, remember, the client here, apple. this case is entirely overstated. the giant parade of terribles, if we get into the terrorist's phone and find out there's a message in it that tips us off to two other terrorists and a plot here in new york city, that's on me, george. so that's important. that the parade of terribles, which is suddenly the government will seize everybody's health records, go through the private information and give it away to
up until september 14th, which is not that long ago, apple held the key to its own code. they held it in apple headquarters. search warrant, signed by a lawful authority. apple took the key, opened it up, provided it. left. i want to get to one specific answer to something. is it possible for apple to tailor something for this one specific phone in that way so that they can then destroy it so it is not replicable? >> that's the absurd thing. what the justice department asked for apple to go into its own lab, its own offices, find a feature that can bypass the thing that will destroy all the information in the phone after ten false tries on the code, and to take that and then throw it away and hand the phone back to the fbi with a couple of features that allows them to try codes on it. this phone, a government-owned phone that belonged to two dead people who have no privacy rights who are in the middle of a terrorist investigation. where the information in that phone could save lives.
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