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this sunday morning, another big win for donald trump, now the undisputed republican front-run sgler it's tough. it's nasty. it's mean. it's vicious. it's beautiful. >> but republicans believe it's a three-man race as marco rubio and ted cruz vie to become the chief trump challenger. >> and the 21st century conservative movement is the son of a bar tender and a maid from cuba. meanwhile, the bush dynasty comes to an official end. >> tonight, i am suspending my campaign.
join me this morning. plus, hillary clinton gets the win she so desperately needed in nevada. >> some may have doubted us, yet we never doubted each other. >> while bernie sanders loses in the first state with a diverse electo >>te. >> you're going to see the results of one of the great political upsets in the history of the united states. >> bernie sanders makes his case this mor ng. ining me for insight and analysis are, radio talk show host hugh hewitt, mnsbc's joy-ann reid. amy walter, cook political report and jon ralston, deen of thewnevada political press corps and nbc analyst. chuck, rubio, cruz and sanders, welcome to sunday in a post-primary and caucus edition ofmeet the press." from nbc news in was angain, this is "meet the press with chuck todd." good morning.
saturday thanks to south carolina kp nevada. we now have the three-way republicat race so many expected anlid we now have a democratic front-runner again, and her name is hillary clinton, again. but let's start with the republicans. donald trump made it clear that he is now the republican front-runner. trump scored a big win in south carolina winning 33% of the vote. and all 50 delegates at stake. the battle for second, a distant cond frankly, was a back and forth affair all night with marco rubio edging out ted cruz by just one percentage point, 23-22. bush, kasich, carson they all finished way behind. and before the night was ov jeb bush was officially out of the race. here are trump, rubio and cruz as the night unfolded. >> there's nothing easy aboan running for president. i can tell you. it's tough. it's nasty. it's mean. it's vicious. it's beautiful. when you win, it's beautiful. and we're going to start -- we
ning for our country. >> now the children of the reagan revolution are ready to assume the mantle of leadership. >> tonight, despite millions and millions of dollars of false and nasty attacks, despite the entirety of the political establishment coming together against us, south carolina has given us another remarkable result. >> by the way, no republican has ever won south carolina and iowa or new hampshire as trump has without going onto win the nomination. on t the democratic side hillary clinton got the win she needed to blunt the bernie sanders momentum. clinton beat sanders 53-47 victory afte >>r the nail biting win in iowa. here are the results in nevada became clear. >> tens of thousands of men and women with kids o raise, ills
die, this is y ur campaign. >> i believe that when democrats assemble in philadelphia in july at that convention, we are going to see the results of one of the gr t politizecal upsets in the history of the united states. >> this morning a pa ed show. we're going to hear from donald trump, marco rubio, ted cruz and bernie sanders this morning. but we're going to begin with the republican front-runner, donald trump, who joins me live fr tom palm beach, florida. mr. trump, good morning and >> good morning. thank you. tdohank you very much. >> let me start with this idea race. do you believe the republican nomination's a three-way race? or do you believe this is you on your way to getting the nomination? >> well, i think i have a big advantage, but it's certainly a three-person race. people that are very talented there too. so we have a five-man race. and i think that it's going to be, you know, it's going to be
i have a big advantage, but l ng way from being won. >> well, that's very humble of you this morning. look, this has been a dramatic week of, i g uess, changes, position changes, even by your standards. on wednesday you praised the health care man date, by friday you said abolish. on saturday you said planned parenthood did wonderful things, on thursday you said you'd defund it. s taimilarly at the debate you called george w. bush a liar, you sort of backtracked on that later in the week. are you -- it comes across, are you taking positions that you believe, r are you sort of as things get heated are you switching at the last minute? what are we to make of all this this week? >> well, on the mandate, if you look at the mandate, we had a situation where we were anderson cooper, who's terrific by the way and did a terrific jo enb, but we were talking over each other. look, i want -- we're going to repeal and replace obamacare. obamacare is a total and complete disaster. it's going to be gone. we're going to come up with a great health care plan, whether it's health care savings accounts. we have a lot of different things.
between states, we'll have great competitive bidding. but i say all the time you can call it anything you want. people are not going to die in the middle of the street. people are not going to die on the sidewalk if i'm president, okay. >> let me get something definitive from you on this -- >> chuck, excuse me, i say that to packed houses with thousands and thousands of upople. republicans mostly. and i get standing ovations. i'm not going to let that happen. if i'm president, we're not going to have people dying on the strhets. you can call it whatever you wasint -- >> no, i understand that. let me ask you this -- >> i don't call it mandate, it's common sense. >> do you think it should be a law anybody who c afford health insurance has to have it? >> i think, no. i think it's going to be up to them. i want it to be up to them. but i'm really talking about people that can't afford it. we're not going to let people die in squalor because we are republicans. okay. that's part of the problem with the republicans. somehow they got fed into this horrible position. weow're going to take care of pe loople. but, no, people don't have to have it.
they're going to be a lot less expensive than obamacare. they're going to be private. tovhere are going to be lots of different options. we're going to have a lot of different options. right now you have no th options. you know why? because the insurance company controlled obama because they gave him a lot of money. that's why you have lines around the stalts that you can't get competitive bidding. >> now let's move to planned parenthood. you defended the other work planned parenthood does. >> that's right. i do. wh now you said you'd defund it. >> that's right, i would. >> democrats will say the money they give to planned parenthood es not go to abortions.at the money they give to plt anned parntd hood only goes to other womens health issues including mammograms and things like tha if you knew the government money were only going to that, wou you support funding planned parenthoodam? >> yeah. if it didn't have to do with abortions. look, i understand and many, many friends who are women who understa so planned parenthood bee tter than you or i will ever understand it and they do some very good work. cervical cancer, lolts of womens
i know one of the candidates i won't mention their name said we're not going to spend that kind of money on womens health issues. i am. planned parenthood does a good job in a lot of different areas but not on abortion. so i'm not going to fund it if it's doing the abortion. i am not going to fund it. now, they say it's 3% and it's 4%. sokeme say 60%. i don't believe it's 60% by the way, but i think it's probably a oumuch lower number. but planned parenthood does some very good work. but i would defund as long as they're doing abortions. >> all right. let me move to the issue of iraq. obviously a couple >> ello you that. >> are you for invading iraq? >> yeah, i guess so. of the war. but i am curious in the second artcif that quote, i wish the
what do you mean by that? >> well, what i mean by that is it almoso shouldn't have been drdone. you know, i really don't even know what i mean because that was a long time ago. who knows what was in my head. i think that it wasn't done correctly in retrospect it shouldn't have been done at all. it was sort of, you know, it was done. we dropped bombs. now, if you look back, actually that was probably the correct way of doing it, not going in and not upsetting giving them a lesson or not. i think senior actually did a pretty good job of what he was doing. he went in, he taught them a mlesson. what happened is he as taunted because saddam hussein was ying we drove back the americans, the ugly americans were driven back, the power of iraq, the power. well, we weren't driven back, he just decided not -- general and
to go in. if you look at my conversation friends, different than what you hear on the radio, but we're very good friends. an and businessman. that was the first time i think that question was ever even asked f me. that was long before the war took place. that was many, many months before the war took place. and you could see by my answer i wasn't exactly thrilled. joe scar borough released a point yesterday a tweet saying trump is right, look what he just said. you have to take a look at that. but regardless the war in iraq was a disaster. itas p wbably the worst thing, if you look at the middle east now, all started because of that honoing. just thousands carna . and we ha"e wounded warriors, who i love all over ,he place, right, and we have nothing and
they've been trying to for many, many decades an finally taking over iraq. as we sit here they're taking over iraq. we get nothing. >>re let me give you one more issue where you sort of went counter to what s p ed lain what neutral means because some heard that in the pro-israeli community and thinks, oh, he's going to be anti-israel. explain what you mean by neutral. >> no. i'm very pro-israel. in fact, i was t no head of the is "raeli day parade a number of years ago, i did a commercial for netanyahu when he was getted elt ected asked me to do a commercial for him, i did a commercial for him. i am. but i don't want'to bi -- look, the hardest thing to do is that in terms of deal, if you're a deal person, right, the ultimate deal is that deal. israel, palestine, if you're going to make it, that probably
people are born with hatred, they're taught hatred. and i have to s it's mostly on the one side, not on the other side, but they're taught hatred. i say this, if i'm going to be president, i'd rather be in a position because i will try the best i can. and i'm a very good dealmaker. believe me. to try and solve that puzzle. you're not goi,g to solve it if you're going to be on one side or another. everyone understands that. if i'm going to solve the problem, i want to go in with a clean slate otherwise you're never going to get the cooperation of the other side. so that's all i'm baying. n>> donald trump, i'm going to leave it there. again, congratulations on your big win. stay safe on the t il. trwe'll be watching on tuesday. >> thank you. thank you very uch. you got it. all right. i'm joined now by the ma >>n who came in second last night, senator marco rubio of florida senator rubio, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> thank you. thanks for having me on. >> you got it. okay. sorry about that. let me start with how you feel about this win -- this second
you had every major endorsement that you could have had andexet you still finished a distant second in south carolina. how do you look at this as a poeesitive and not a negative? >> because 65% of the people voted yesterday and about 70% of republicans around the country have said we want someone other than donald trump o be our nominee. the problem is that vote was still divided even last night hamong five other people or four other people. i think now the race is narrowing even more. and as it narrows and continues to narrow, we're going to continue to gain. so it was a very unusual year. you usually don't have five campaigns operating full-time in a state this late into the process. three states in. but i feel great that now that the choices have become less and less, more and more that new voter alternative to donald trump vote is going to coalesce around us and we have to make the work to make that happen, but we feel good about that. >> the issue i think all republicans have had going up against donald trump whether it's been jeb bush, ted cruz,
well, you say he's not a real republican on this issue. i'm sure you heard my interview ith him. he doesn't have a lot of traditional republican stances on issues, and yet he's still winning. w do you ever winover his voe ters? >> yeah. well a couple things happen, number one he'll say something over the top and you guys in the prl ess will decide let's not cover anything and focus on the outrage of statement. he's been very good at dominating that. and in an 11 person or 15 person field it crowded a lot of people out. that's going to become harder to do. the second point i would make is people are really angry at washington and they have a rigut to be. that's why i ran in 2010 by the way. and it's because i didn't want next u.s. senator to be someone who was going to go up and do the same stuff people have been doing. our argument is it's okay to angry and upset at washington, but anger alone is not enough. you deserve a nominee who tells you exactly here's what we're going to do and outlines that.otso you know what you're getting. so there's some level of accountability re. so my campaign is about this.
challenges right now in this country. but we're also optimistic a ut the future, but only if we do a few things. and i'm going to tell you exn actly what those things are. and that's a b difference in this campaign between mr. trump's campaign and mine. i think that's going to begin to matter a lot more now because there are less people in the race and more time to pay attention to some of that. si >> look, throughout the week it wae clear a lot of campaigns ought you had momentum, a lot of campaigns were going after you. here's one attack ad that cruz put up on immigration. i sant tu play a snip-it of it and get a reaction from you the other side. h d k. put forward i think is a great place to start. >> they still have to qualify for it. f>> passing a background check. >> th passed a background check. > pay a penalty. >> pay a fine. >> paying taxes. >> start paying taxes. >> it won't be a quic process. >> that is a long path. >> but it will b a fair process. >> but i do think it's
couldn't see the ad a we played it, i'm sure you've heard it and seen reference, what part of that ad is not true? >> it doesn't matter. the point -- first of all people didn't care about it. this is now an attack going on state after state and people havprocessed and understand it's a serious issue that needs to be solved. number two, i could put the exact same ad on about ted cruz. ted cruz said he wanted to find a compromise, ted crun said he wanted to bring 11 million people out of the shadows. ted cruz said that he wanted immigration reform to pass. here's the bottom line, i tried to solve a very difficultit even forward is going to be to do it in pieces beginning nnbyecuring our border. that's what we'll do.stwhen i'm president, the senate bill's not going to be what we're operating off
on securing our border first and foremost. and until you do that, you're not going to be able to do anything else. >> all right. i got to talk process. you woke up in tennessee this morning. that tells me that's a little bit of a tell, that's a state ob viously you think you can win on super tuesday. where else do you win on super tuesday? now it's about winning. you haven't won yet. you got to win somewhere. >> it is. well, i think first of all as we understand all these states award delegates differently. so we have a different strategy for each of these states depending how they award delegates. when we get into the winner take all states, in march, big chunks of delegates, that's where you need to win states and i feel very good about w hehere we're going to be by then. i'm not going to reveal to you our campaign play book ut we're going to be in a lot of dih fferent places, i'm in tennessee, be in kansas, nevada, we're going to contest and work very hard for those caucuses on tuesday and keep moving forward in a bunch of other places. we have a national campaign. and i feel great about it especially after last night. >> all right. senator marco rubio, i'm going to leave it there.
it's going to be a big, quick race overq,""d next 23 days. >> yes, sir. thank you. now to the democratic race and a close but crucial victory for hillary clinton in nevada yesterday. and a big blow for my next guest, senator bernie sanders. welcome back to "meet the press," senator. >> good to be with you. >> let me start with something you said on friy. you said on friday it could be 10, 20, 30 years from now people will look back at what happened in ne ithappened, sir? >> well, what happened is over the last povents and what i've said over and over again, we will do well when young people, when working class people come out. we do not do well when the voter
we did not do as good a job as i had wanted to bring out a large turnout. >> you know at the last minute there were reports that harry reid and the culinary union were working to try to beef u purnot,ut in places where hillary clinton s going to do well including right there on the strip in las vegas. do you think that made a difference? >> it's hard to say. what i do know is, chuck, our message of a rigged economy in which people in nevada and around the country are working longer hours for low wages, whyv most all new income and wealth is going to the top 1%, i'll tell youu omething else, this issue of a corruptey f by the way, we did phenomenally well with young people. i think we did well with working class people. remember, we were taking on a candidate who ran in 2008.
she had the names of a lot of her supporters. so i'm proud of the campaign that we ran. obviously i wish we could have done a little bit better. but at the end of the day i think she gets 19 delegates, we get 15 delegates. move on to the next state. >> it was interesting listening to her victory speech last night. i want to play a clip of it because i may sorund familiar to you. he cae it is. >> wall street can never be allowed to threaten main street again. no bank can be too big to fail, no executive too powerful to jail. >> it's pretty clear she has ratcheted up her rhetoric on wenall stxeet because of your candidacy. do you see that as a victory of sorts? that you've got her trying -- >> chuck, chuck -- >> -- compare your message. we're looking into copyright issues here. those are our words. well, obviously i think what the secretary has recognize ed d is the american people are extremely angry about the power of wall
behavior of wall street. by the way, the fact that when a kid gets picked up with marijuana, that kid gets a police record, wall street ecutives destroy the economy, there's no prosecution agains hat them. the american people understand that we need real change in this coinuntry. my view a political revolution which says to the people on top, you know what, you guys can't have it all. >> it's interesting the guy who had the biggest super pac of all time had to candidacy. isn't sort of the people already ov turning citizens united? trump who've done this without resonating? is. but i think, you know, if you look at jeb bush's campaign it's more than just money. and the me enssage and all that stuff. but let me give you an example.
understand it, chuck, more contributions from people than hillary clinton has. but she's now going into the super pac that she has which comes from wall street and very wealthy individuals. she will be outspending us in the next number of weeks precisely because of that super pac. do these things matter? yes, they do. >> where are you going to win next? yotou've got -- you can't just come close. you're right, you came close in neeevada. but to win you got to win. and super tuesday, can you win a majority of the delegates on super tuesday? you don't have to win a majority of the states, but you need to win a majority of the delegates if you're going to win this thing. >> right. well, we're studying that issue very closely as to where we llocate our resources and allocate my time. i think we have a good shot in colorado. a good shot in minnesota. a good shot in massachusetts. i think we are looking pretty good in oklahoma. st poll i saw my own state of
so i think we got a shot to win here. and i think we w ll surprise people in some other states as well. >> don't you have to beat her in a place like texas or virginia or tennessee? a big state to say, you know what, i can win this nomination. i can't just come close. n't you have to do that? >> no, you're right. look, at the end of the day what you're . yings true, you need delegates. as you know these are state by state proportional delegation -- delegates go out. we're looking hard at michigan. we think we have a pretty good shot at parts of texas. orso trust me, we are focusing very hard on trying to get as many delegates as we can. but let me also say this. we are in this race to the convention. i think we got some states coming down the pike that we're going to do very, very well in. i think, you know, if you look at national polling, our support is growing. so we think, chuck, we have come a very, very long way.
your show we were probably at 5% in the polls. w re moving, we're making progress. >> all right, bernie sanders, i know you're in south carolina this morning, but this race goes national in a hu cy. thanks for coming on. stay safe on the trail, sir. >> thank you. and when we come back, how will ted cruz respond to another third place finish? he joins me next. welcome to the world 2116, you can fly across town in minutes or across the globe in under an hour. whole communities are living on mars and solar satellites provide earth with in less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes to space planes, across and if you thought that was amazing,
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welcome back. i' g. >> let me start with a clip from your press conference that you held on wednesday. because i have a question on the other side, but i want to show it because it seemed unlike ld allow people to take advantage of a situation like this in a very dishonest way. >> well, i've said he's been lying because if you say something that isn't true and you say it over and over again and you know it's not true, there's no other word for it. >> you talk about people that lies, this is ted cruz. this is the biggest liar i've ever seen. >>ym that was going to be my second question, but i'm going to go there, y t heard it there, three different candidates have accused you of being a liar. a third one out of three south ce.arolina voters thought you were
has all of this hurt you? has it stuck? >> oh, listen, chuck, we saw with both donald trump and marco surubio that their response whenever you point to anything in their record is just to yell liar, liar, liar, and to get very personal and to make direct character attacks. and my approach from the very beginning of this campaign stting a year ago is that i ll not respond in kind. i do not intend insult any of the cantsdates. i will sing pheir praises. i'll sing donald's praises and rco's praises andd everybody e belse's praises. but i'm going to keep tie focus on substance and records. and there's a reason why they scream liar. be ocause when you p nt to their own records, theiro wn voting records, their own tards, they do their records because their records are inconsistent with what they're running on. you know, donald trump threatened to file a defamation uit against me for running a tv ad that consistented ecid consisted almost entirely of his own words on te levision. that is really a remkable thfoeory that's defamation to show
i think voters are smarter than that. >> senator, i'm going to play that press conference clip to you because to me contrasts from what you just said. here it is. >> donald has had a long careerp of using gret wealth and power trying to bully others. whenever anyone points to their actual record, the response of both donald trump and marco rubio is to yell the word liar. whenever anyone does as this ad does plays the actual words of donald trump on national television, his response is to yell louder. thr strategy is simply to yell liar, liar, liar. >> you did an entire press conference. it was some 30 minutes on wednesy. you weren't talking about the issues that you yourself to essentially let
i was then and am now very much a happy warrior. very much joyful. that press conference was simply to discuss the facts, was laying out the actual facts. not engaging in character attacks myself, just putting out here are the facts, here are the evidence, and i noted, for example, that both of them were fabrications. for example, donald trump tweeted out to the world a quote allegedly from senator tom coburn impugning my honesty. within hours he came out publicly and said that quote was an utter fabrication. i said it's really remarkable to see two candidates, trump and rubio, making things up and putting things out for which there is no evidence and no basis. but listen, chuck, the important thing is we had an incredible evening last night. last night what we saw happen in south carolina, particularly when you put iowa, new hampshire, south carolina together, two things have happened. number one, there is now only one strong conservative in this race who can win.
continuing to unite behind our campaign. but number two, for anyone who doesn't believe that donald trump is the best candidate to go head-to-head with hillary clinton in november, and that's about 70% of republicans nationwide who don't think donald trump is the right guy, our campaign is the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and that can be donald trump. so what we're seeing is we're seeing republicans coming to us in incredible numbers to go -- >> senator, wait a minute, you finished third in a state with the highest evangelical turnout that we've seen yet. and you finished third. that sort of doesn't support what you just said, that conservatives are coming together and rallying to your cause. >> so, chuck, our path toni victory from the beginning was always do well in the first four states and then have a strong, strong night on super tuesday coming up on march 1st.
and state. we won a strong thi.d there. and then in south carolina we were effectively tied for second. a week ago donald was 20 pointt ahead, we closed that gap. and w t we saw there there were a number of very encouraging things, for one thing, we won young people in south carolina. our campaign was in first place with young people. by the way, we won young people in iowa as well. and we were in second place with young people in new hampshire. one of the things we're seeing is young people who are optimistic who want a future, who want our const utional rights, are coming to our campaign. and if you want to beat donald trump, you know, one of the clearest indications of who can beat trump is donald spends every waking moment attacking me. he doesn't attack other candidates because he e his campaign views us as the only real threat to him. and that's why we're seeing so many people come around and say, listen, we want a real conservative.
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14 y contests that day. onte the gop side the establishment favored marco rubio. he's oing to bl k,cusing in places like massachusetts, minnesota, virginia. ted cruz, he's going to be campaigning deep south s.e.c. sta omtes of alabama, arkansas, georgia. and of course he has got to win in his home state of texas. large evangelical populations he hopes make the difference in all those deep south states. but i'm watching tennessee very osely. i think this is going to be the swing state of super tuesday along with virginia where establishment candidates haveve picking states so far. he's outspending clinton in places like oklahoma, minnesota, colorado. it
as that day on louisiana. it's a primary with a large african-american electorate. shifting gears to the 8th, all eyes on michi.an for the perception that with means in michi n you don't have to be registered with a party to vote in either democrat or the republican side. good news potentially by the way for sanders and trump as well. and then just around the corner the oh big super tuesday of march, march 15 9. the clos we't get to a prseeview of the november battlegrounds. we've got florida, illinois, missouri, north carolina and ohio all heading to he polls that day. could be the establinhment's last stand on the republican side to stop trump. we'll be back in a moment on
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last few weeks. amy and jon ralston host of ralston live on pbz s in nevada now an nbc analy . hugh hewitt, nobody has won, why isn't this over? >> donald trump has been car i think a month from now we may be back here talking about an open convention because i think old rules apply. john kasich will win ohio as well. >> if this is a three-way race, you could see it in the exit poll in south carolina. let me put up some numbers. the candidate shares my values, ted cruz, the leading candidate. the candidate there to bring needed change, the leading candidate was donald trump. and the won that won in
there's your split. trump's change, electability. >> the difference is that the trump number on change is so much larger than the lead that the other two have in their lanes. and that's going to be the challenge for those other two going forrd. the other challenge for marco rubio this assumption that you're just going to get all those bush and kasich voters. you may, it's true if you add gainst donald trump and survive that. >> who gets to the one-on-one? marco rubio is the one guy that hasn't felt the wrath of trump yet. everybody else who has is either out of the race or severely damaged. ted cruz has been damaged. >> right. but marco rubio has felt the wrath of chris christie and prove he has a glass jaw. the question is going to be could he with tand a similar barrage from donald trump who is relentless in going after the people he thinks are a threat to.him. in addition to that hug
marco rubio wi evll win florida, that isn't clear at this point that donald trump can't win there. >> i don't know it's clear that ted cruz is going to win texas by the way. >> it's not enough to keep winning second and third. at some point ted cruz has to win one, rubio has to win. >> speaking of firsts, his first win was supposed to come in your home state of nevada, mr. raurlston.t'tue it on a tuesday night, different start times. turnout may be lucky to get to 10%. but hugh talks about old rules. you guys are talking about this mawhth. ere are no rules anymore. the old math doesn't work. nobody knows what's going to happen. i don't know why we're all afraid to say that, but right now who goesone-on-one with tr yoump is the key question. it doesn't look like from your interviews or anything else -- they're not going to get out, right? as long as that exists and
for a little while, as long as trump will win every single race. hugh, you heard donald trump with me today, he does not stick to republican orthodox. this is always supposed to have his strength. >>pr we have a debate on thursday night. it will be interesting to see how he handles the bush lie. that was his waterloo moment and the pope rescued him from that. happeamd. >> so we will see on thursday night how he nuances that as he did with you. i believe he's the front-runner for a reason. he does represent a smashup of washi ton, d.c. he represents a total leveling of everything that people are angry about. and he has ivanka. i must say she was there last night and she is the generational bridge that he needs because marco rubio, the children of reagan line, is a good line. >> yeah. you know, when you're looking at this -- go ahead. >> no. i mean the only problem with the children of reag line is it reminds you that he is the young candidate, right? so you have to be careful about using that.
a problem here when you're going at nd you're looking not just that trump is winning, but he's winning in a broad swath of voters. it's not just like he's got this one lane he only wins when there's low turnout, only wins conservatives, only wins in these kinds of states. he wins enough across a broad array array. >> i saw last night late deciders he got crushed among 40% of voters who were late deciders. early voters 60%. >> not only that but donald trump is actually doing what bernie sanders was billed as doing. he's bringing new voters into the process. >> look at the turnout in south carolina. >> exactly. hete was actually doing that. he is accomplishing getting particular mr.ly white working class voters people angry at their own party, at republican partyd and feel in the only other -- >> who does hillary want to run against? >> nald trump. >> you think? >> i don't think so anymore. >> he would be stronger than the democrats think. >> of the three i think cruz is the one -- and oddly it's the easier race for her in her mind.
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panel is here. now we're going to talk about the democratic side of things from shakeout saturday after llary clinton's big nevada win. joy, i want to start with you. there's a new ad hillary has out here, second one now narrated by morgan freeman. i'm going to play t for you and get you to react. >> she says their names. >> trayvon martin shot to death. sandra brand did nothing wrong. >> and makes their mothers fight for justice her own. >> it was only nine months ag when asked about black lives tter hillary clinton said all lives matter. and now look where she is today. look at the rhetoric she's now adopting from bernie sanders. you can't say she's not evolving as a candidate. and boy is she trying very hard to s move to where the democratic base is. >>u' you recalled a couple months ago she met with a lot of the mothers in chicago. she has the endorsement of some of the moms. bernie sanders i think has one
or two of the family members too. i'm a little uncomfortable with
both of them have. both sanders and hillary clinton are now trying to invoke the memories and use the family members of these young people in >> do ityou think it's too crass? >> it makes me uncomfortable. i do have to say hillary clinton understands fundamentally that her candidacy is in the hands of full stop. in nevada it was a 72% rout with african-americans that carried her over the top. south carolina, she will be saved by african-americans over
age 50. and not even just all african-americans but african-americans of a certain age, right, over 50. and she knows that that is bhat she needs. >> look at the next 12 states on the nkt de crpiics, s side. it's something like 7 of the 12 have an african-american electoratelyercentage of 30% or more. right. >> i mean, this is -- joy's right, this is -- >> she is exactly right. >> may come across as crass but that's what she's doing. >> in the enerational divide you're exactly right doesn't hurt as much because, yes, she doesn't do as well with younger voters voters.
in nevada she lost over 25-year-olds by a tremendous margin, she picked up over 45-year-olds who make up a bigger part of the electorate and they will in south carolina as well. >> harry reid the most valuable player -- is harry reid going to be known as the person who saved hillary clinton's nominati on? >> i think he will be. and having come back to the state he saw what was happening in the state. he saw the internal polls. clinton was hemorrhaging. she went from a 25 point lead down to 9 after new hampshire. it was neck and neck. harry reid said i got to do something. heu called up the head of the culinary union. they were being wall flowers said you got to get these folks out to vote, heavily latino they knew they would go for clinton. he did that with other unions too by the way, chuck. not just with the culinary union. but what joy is talking about the african-american vote is forgotten because we talk so much about the latino vote. >> it's about half of the non-white vote. not just hispanic. >> the fact she got three-quarters of that vote. she had every african elected
in her corner campaigning for her. but harry reid is the guy. >> hugh, now that it looks like hillary clinton is back to being the favorite for the nomination th and suddenly it is hillary clinton standing there as the boogie person for the republican party, does that change republican voter calculus or no? >> it does. >> changing your calculus, but -- >> the former secretary of state is the nominee. she is also the willie sutton of classified data. and there's going to be a long-term effort of republicans whether it's donald trump, marco rubio or ted cruz to paint her into the corner. they had another release of data on friday. there's one more coming. she is a tremendously flawed candidate. >> she loses all the trust questions to sanders. that has been a fact. her now sitting there as the threat where no longer it's like, oh, my god, maybe sanders will win. does that change the way voters think in the republican primary? >> i think it does.
sophisticate and had strategic, ngthey know she can be beaten. they'll look at donald trump, marco rubio, ted cruz, maybe john kasich, who can beat her, what's the best match up. i think that's what's going to work on super tuesday. >> we'll see. it's what the republican establishment hope the voters think. they haven't been right yet. when we come back in less than a minute, our end game segment and the end of the game for the bush dynasty. coming up, "meet the press" end game brought to you by boeing, building the future one - you don' t have to wait for a yearbook to share your likes and dislikes. social media gives us
so make sure your ki are the right things online, t like silly selfif . keep social media social. "meet the press" end game is brought to you by boeing, building the future one century at a tim it's being treated as an afterthought now, but guys, jeb bush dropped out of the race last night. south carolina put george h.w. bush into the white house, butt george w. bush in the white house and sent jeb bush back to miami. totals. jeb bush, you hate to say this he's the new john connolly, biggest spender in iowa, one delegate delegate, biggest spender in new hampshire, got three delegates and the biggest spender in south carolina. nothing symbolically reopesents
far than this does it, hugh? >> no, it's because he's such a good man and the roles have changed so dramatically. different. they're not the jeb bush rules they are the reality television rules of this decade and he was not suited for it. governor. this is arguably his record as governor is more conservative than any current republican governor. >> more so than kasich. >> how did he get painted the moderate? >> well, i think because jeb bush theory of the case is he would be painted as the grown-up. his theory would be that the party would go to somebody perhaps sarah palin, perhaps another gaffe like candidate and the party would come to him. number one, that lane is so fragmented between establi hment candidates. and by the way having lived fl ed d in florida, jeb bush has never been that great of a politician. he benefitted from a lot of good luck.ni torched his own campaign in '94. we >>ak ooponent in '98. benefitted from the clinton boom and out before the bush buzz.
rewritten. she's right. that's now how the history of jeb bush is going to be written. it could have been a different nlversion of the same events. >> but it was very clear long before donald trump got in this race when you would talk to republicans the number one concern they had about jeb bush is whether he was too rusty for this and whether he was going to be strong enough to stand up to hillary clinton. the bush folks thought money would help paper that over, remind people of his conservative record, but when he went on the debate stage and totally flubed it and came on the shows and couldn't answer questions about idraq and he looked like he was unsteady, it absolutely solidified the concerns they had had all along about his skills. >> you used the right word, strong. this is the election about strength. donald trump looks strong to republican voters. jeb bush anyone who's been around him he's a substantive guy, he was a conservative governor but he doesn't project well. he's a terrible candidate, right? he was the wrong guy at the wrong time for this election. they want donald trump who's going to say what they want io hear. jeb bush, they don't want to
and hear the way he talksg >> that money number i put up, all those money things, hugh, doesn't that support what jon said earlier is there are no rules? geouess whose name wasn't on any of the top three? donald trump. >pa> i will say one thing has changed dramatically which is the supreme court vacancy and it will reshape the vase on my side because i'd rather lose an election than lose the supreme court. so i think going forward this is the narrative changer. and i don't know how the candidates respond to thi >> if you tose the election, you lose the court. >> i know. >> it's worth -- i hear you. i got to leave it there. what an amazing all primaries need to be saturday. we'll be back next sunday at primarr saturday and if it's