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>> now, no doubt, the outsider is the republican front-runner. can anyone stop him? >> south carolina has given us another remarkable result. >> the son of bar tender and maid from cuba tonight stands one step closer to being the states of america. >> trump, rubio, cruz. all here live. and -- hillary squeaks by. >> the fight goes on! >> the democratic race tighter than ever. plus, apple goes to war. inside the tech giant's refusal to help the fbi unlock a terrorist's iphone. apple's top lawyer joins us live. from abc news, it's "this week." here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. good morning, after a crucial saturday vote in the race for the white house, two candidates now in command. for the democrats, hillary clinton found her fire wall in nevada.
points over bernie sanders puts her back in control. she heads to south carolina and super tuesday with big leads in the biggest states. and for the republicans, it's all about donald trump. his double-difficult win over marco rubio and ted cruz in south carolina, a possible delegate sweep, kills off the campaign of jeb bush. puts him in a powerful position. no republican who has won both new hampshire and south carolina has ever lost the nomination. the big question for so many in the gop today, a question unimaginable one year ago. can donald trump be stopped? he joins us live in a moment. first, jon karl brings us the results of the biggest day yet in this campaign. good morning, jon. >> good morning, george. this is a remarkable moment in american politics. what once seemed utterly impossible is one step closer to reality. hillary clinton could be facing off against donald trump this fall for the presidency of the
with his big win in south carolina, donald trump took command. >> this is nothing easy about running for president. i can tell you. it's tough. it's nasty. it's mean. it's vicious. it's beautiful. [ laughter ] when you win, it's beautiful. >> reporter: trump's back-to-back victories in south carolina and new hampshire bode well for his chances on super tuesday. 11 states voting on march 1st. >> let's put this thing away. and let's make america great again. >> reporter: while trump celebrated, marco rubio narrowly edged out ted cruz for second place. both seemed to declare victory. ready to take on trump. >> after tonight this is a three-person race. and we will win the nomination. >> we are the only campaign that has beaten and can beat donald trump. >> reporter: after betting big on a south carolina comeback, jeb bush's distant fourth place
>> the people of iowa and new hampshire and south carolina have spoken. and i really respect their decision. so tonight, i'm suspending my campaign. >> reporter: the field won't narrow much. john kasich and ben carson are both staying in. meanwhile in nevada, hillary clinton was finally able to slow the momentum of bernie sanders. >> some may have doubted us. but we never doubted each other. >> reporter: sanders touted how the gap. >> we have come a very long way in nine months. it's clear to me, and i think most observers, that the wind is at our backs. we have the momentum. [ cheers and applause ] >> back in south carolina, donald trump showed remarkable strength across the board. even winning evangelicals over ted cruz. and so far, trump has won 44 of the state's 50 delegates. the remaining six could still go his way.
even better for him as the race goes national. by march 15th, half of the delegates will have been awarded. among the states voting on march 1st is ted cruz's home state of texas. if cruz is to have a prayer of winning the nomination, he has to win there. two weeks later, it's marco rubio's home state of florida. if rubio is to have any chance at all, he absolutely must win that winner take all florida primary. >> no question about that. thank you, jon. let's bring it to matt dowd. you've been bullish on donald trump's odds for a long time. >> this summer, he had 16 opponents. he had the best odds. now he has basically three opponents left. his odds have only improouchd the problem for the other candidates is donald trump has a clear path. a clearer path to the nomination while the other candidates don't. in that scenario, donald trump is the odds on. >> they've been willing to take each other on more willing than
what has to happen? >> i think two things have to happen. the first, somebody else has to catch fire much better than in the past. not eyelike iowa or new hampshire. donald trump is playing the version of political jenga. he's been taking blocks out, taking blocks out, every thinks it will fall. at some point, it will. both things have to happen. >> thank you, matt dowd. let's go to donald trump. congratulations on your victory. you think you have the nomination in hand? >> no. no, not at all. i'm dealing with very talented people. very smart people. great politicians. and ben carson still in, i understand. he's a terrific guy and talented guy. so, you know, i'm dealing with smart people, talented people. i never take it for granted. >> you said last night, we go back to war tomorrow morning. who is your toughest competition right now?
>> i think they're both tough. i think they're all tough. everybody is tough. they're all very accomplished people. i would say this. i was hit very, very hard yesterday by ted because he did two robo calls. one on the confederate flag, which was, you know, very tough and unfair. and one on -- i guess gay marriage. and they were one came on at 9:00 in the morning. in election day, this is something i didn't anticipate. one came on about 12:00 in the afternoon. during the election. i said to myself, wow this is a tough business. these people are worse than developers. this is rough stuff, politic. i thought maybe they would have a bigger effect than they did. i didn't know i would win by that much. we won every congressional district. got every single delegate. that was sort of record-setting stuff. they hit me hard with negative ads. >> you're hitting them hard,
you september out a retweet suggesting marco rubio might be ineligible to be president as well. do you believe that? >> i think the lawyers have to determine that. it was a retweet. not so much with marco. i'm not that familiar with marco's circumstances. >> but then why retweet it? >> i think -- because i'm not sure. let people make their own determination. i think ted is being sued by somebody, having nothing to do with me, by the way. maybe it's in new york. >> you're not sure that marco rubio is eligible to run for president? you're not sure? >> i don't know. i have never looked at it. i have never look at it. somebody said he's not. i retweeted it. i have 14 million people between twitter, facebook, instagram. i retweet things. it's interesting. maybe that's why i have 14 million people. >> do you think as you get on
you're the clear front-runner right now? you're in command of the race, you're going have to be more careful about the kind of things you say and tweet snrnlgts i didn't know i was going to win by so much yesterday. you didn't either. nobody thought i would win by that much. that was bigger than the tollspolls. the polls said three or four points. i won by ten. they said i would get some of the congressional districts. i had no idea i would win by that much. certainly after the robocalls i never thought so. >> think the republican establishment might close ranks and come down hard try to block in nomination? if they do, is it still possible you would run as an independent? >> i don't think that is much of a possibility. i don't think i'm being treated fairly by the rnc. every time i walk into a debate. i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm not getting money from the
everybody else is. everybody on both sides. i walk in and they have all special interests, lobbyists, donors. sitting in the room. i don't have any of that. i walk in, it's dead silence except for my wife and kids. these guys walk in, they say something that is stupid or not even good and they get standing ovations every time they open their mouth. it's very unfair in terms of the debates, i think. i think i had my best debate last time. some people don't. some people think the new york values debate was better. i was being hit from all sides. it's very unfair when a room is so stacked. >> if you win, sit a hostile takeover of the gop? >> no. not at all. i was a member of the establishment of the gop. i say proudly. i gave $350,000 to the republican governor's association. before i ran. before june 16th. and i gave tremendous aptsmounts of
republican party. i gave to everybody. i was very establishment. once i ran, they said, what's going on? that's not supposed to happen. they like to control the people, the senators, the congressmen. so when they go to military awards or pharmaceutical awards, they make sure they get it. i'm going to do what's right for the country. as a self-funder, i'm the only one. i'll do what's right. it's certainly different. that will be good for the party. because we're going win the election. two polls came out recently where i beat hillary clinton and i beat bernie sanders. i don't think bernie sanders will be the problem. i think hillary will be the one i'm competing against. unless she has legal problem. >> you told me months ago you would release your tax returns. "the wall street journal" editorial page came out yesterday and said mr. trump
before super tuesday. he should be eager to release them for public scrutiny. will you release them by super tuesday? >> no, i won't. we're working on them. they're massive. let me tell you about "the wall street journal." i have no respect for them. they've taken me on so much. it's so ridiculous. every day, editorials. bad editorials. they had a poll come out. i said they should fire the pollsters and the editorial staff. i don't want to read it much anymore. if you look at their polls, one day and two day, two polls before the election. they turned out to be so wrong. that they should honestly, they should fire their pollster. so i don't care what "the wall street journal" says. if anything, i would do the opposite. that will turn out the be more correct. >> so no release before you're a nominee? >> at some point.
at some point. we'll release. why is there such a rush? i released my financial statements. which are much more important. and everybody was amazed at how big and how great the company is. much bigger than they thought. great company. very little debt. tremendous cash flow. some of the best assets in the world. that's the kind of thinking the united states needs now. because our country is in financial trouble and military trouble. we're in every kind of trouble you can have. our country is a mess. border. do all of the things you and i have been talking about for a long time now, george. it will be great. >> mr. trump, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you very much. and we're join bid the number two finisher in south carolina. senator marco rubio. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> we heard donald trump say he's not sure you're eligible to run for president. your response? >> well, this is -- look this is a pattern.
he says something that is edgy and outrageous. the media flocks and covers it. and nobody else can get any coverage on anything else. that worked when there are 15 people running for president. that doesn't work now. i'm going to spend zero time on his thoughts on eligibility. this country faces a very significant and important choice in 2016. and it needs to be made in a serious way. the consequences are extraordinary if we get this election wrong. republicans need to elect someone who unify the party, election. that's why i'm asking people to vote for me. to on my website, marco rubio.com and sign up to support the effort. >> one note that mitt romney may be set to enzors youdorse you? is that true? >> i have spoken to him. he's not set to endorse me.
announcing it on the huffington post. endorsement. >> his top strategist, stewart stooechbs, is in "the new york times" this morning taking a shot at your campaign. it's crazy that nobody else is trying to win but trump. rubio is not going after the person who is winning. i've never seen campaign that seems as satisfied to not go after the leader. is it time to take on mr. trump directly? >> this is not an election like others up to this point. seven, eight people dividing up 70% of the vote. i had one superpac that spend $40 million going after me. you can only take on so many people at one time. this is not about going after donald trump. it isn't. people want to obsess about that. >> he is the front-runner.
capable -- he's the front-runner when you have seven people running. 70% of republicans nationally are saying i'm not willing to vote for donald trump. once the number narrows, we'll be closer. we have to nominate someone that can take our message to new people, and that can win. someone that is going win in november. we cannot lose this election. i give our party the chance to nominate someone as conservative as anyone in the race. i am a conservative that can unite us. can grow this party. and can ultimately win in november. that's the argument we're going make. if there are differences between me and donald trump on policy, as i'm sure there are, we'll talk about those. >> bottom line is he qualified, if your view, to be commander in chief? can you support him if he's the nominee? >> well, i'm going to support the republican nominee because what the democrats are offering
i don't believe he's exhibited an understanding of foreign policy, which is the most important job of the commander in chief. to say i'm going to surround myself with smart people, that's not enough. you, yourself, have to make judgments. you have to understand these things. on the day he becomes are the, i become president, whoever becomes president, the world is not going to wait until you catch up before they start testing you. you better understand these from day one. our next president has to be something to bring this country together. some level of unity. not unanimity. but unity. that's the kind of president i'll be. americans. even those who do not aagree with me. i think that is very important given what we have faced in the last seven years and how
>> where do you win? >> well, when we get to the wier-take-all states we have to start winning. they award all the delegates to one person. we're going to be doing national campaign. i'm in tennessee today. then arkansas. we finish in nevada. tomorrow more of the same. we're competing everywhere. the way this process works for people that are watching, these states are awarding delegates proportionate proportionately. come march 15th, if you win a state, you get all of their delegates. we'll be in real good shape for that. >> and florida is must win? >> i think that is true for ern in the race. it's always been true. we feel real good about florida. especially now that the race is narrowed. i have a lot of admiration for governor bush. we shared supporters. now that he's suspends his campaign, i think that boosts us not just in florida, but ohio. and other key places. >> senator rubio, thank you for your time this morning.
and we're joined now by the man who came in third in south carolina. senator ted cruz joins us. thank you for joining us this morning. you said you defied expectations last night. how is a third place finish defying expectations? >> we have been through the first three primary states. we won iowa with baig margin. came in third in new hampshire. in a state where they said a conservative could not do well in a moderate new england state. last night, we effectively tied. there is now only one strong conservative remaining in this race that can win. our game plan from day one was do well in the first four states. and con sol dade conservatives to go forward into super tuesday. i think we're positioned eye deal liely to do that. >> your base. trump won them over. how do you explain that?
super tuesday? >> well, listen. donald trump has proven to be a formidable candidate. one of the things the first three states have shown is there is only one campaign that has beaten enen or can beat donald trump. 70% don't believe trump is the right candidate to go head to head with hillary clinton and beat her in november. one of the things we're seeing coming out of last night is people are recognizing, okay, if we want to beat trump, cruz is the only one who can do it. he's the only one who has done it. part of the reason is, george, you cannot beat trump coming from the left. you cannot beat trump with a candidate who supports amnesty. it doesn't work. the you come at the left to trump, you will lose. the only way to beat trump is with a strong proven constitutional conservative. that's why we have had 980,000 contributions at tedcruz.org.
saying, we need to have a real conservative. i think south carolina will only accelerate that process. >> you have been making that case. it's not work something far. donald trump won new hampshire. won south carolina yesterday by a large margin. no republican who has won both of those hasas ever been denied the nomination. are you going to be up to having to make a new and tougher case against donald trump? and what is it? >> look, a primary is an ongoing conversation. everyone in the media said trump would win iowa. we, then, had the largest turnout. earned more votes in iowa than any republican in history. last night, one of the most encourages results, our campaign won young people in south carolina. we won young people in iowa. two states in a row that we won young people. new hampshire, we were in second place with young people. you want to talk about where the excitement, the energy is, young people want a brighter future.
they want their konks constitution -- consistent tugt constitutional rights protected. marco was endorsed by the popular governor and senator and congressman of this state. all the establishment circled their wagons around marco. me still only came in second. frankly, if i had done that in iowa, look in iowa, we had the heavy hitters come behind our campaign. if he had come in second or third, you guys would have barbecued us for having all the big hitter behind us and not winning. we won iowa. even though all the big hitters were behind one of our opponents in south carolina, we still effectively tied for second. what we're doing is unifying conservatives. >> that may be true. as long as you and marco rubio
doesn't that give donald trump a clear path? >> that's a great question. donald devotes all his time and energy, money, to attacking me. that demonstrates that donald sees me as the only real threat to him and for that matter, marco devotes all of his time and energy to attacking me as well. he's been unwilling or afraid or for whenever reason, he won't take on trump. if you want to beat donald trump jourks to go with the only campaign that has demonstrated we can beat donald trump. i'll tell you, going into super tuesday, i think we're positioned, nine days from today, to have an amazing day. our base on the ground is strong. listen, republicans want a real conservative. they don't want someone like donald trump who supported john kerry, jimmy carter, hillary clinton. supported the wall street bailouts. the obama stimulus. they want, instead, someone who will stand up to the washington deals. >> we'll be watching.
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him as spokesperson for the republican party and to lead a convention that nominates him? >> if the delegates, you know, get accumulated in such way that any one of these candidates becomes the nominee, it's our job to support that nominee. and we will. we're prepared to support whoever the nominee becomes. i think it's early in the process. when the time comes, when we're setting either before clevelandnd or at cleveland or when ever that point may come, and we have a presumptive nominee. the rnc will join in with the nominee and put together the biggest ground game and data operation that we have ever seen. you know we've made incredible strides at the rnc in becoming far more prepared today than we were four years ago. so yes, we will support the nominee. to me, it's a no mf brainer.
think that's going to break the party apart. >> winning is the anti-dote to a lot of things. if we win in november, the armchair quarterbacks will fall in line. they'll be pleased if we win in november. who the nominee is going to be is not my choice. obviously, we're going support whoever that is. >> you could play a big role if no nominee goes in with enough delegates before the convention to win on the first ballot. you have said it's early in the process the. but are you prepare forward brokered convention? are you planning for it? what does that mean? >> we're prepared for anything. i was general counsel for two years before i was chairman of the party. i've been chairman for six years. i don't think there are toop people more familiar with the procedures of nominating someone at a convention than i am. so, i am prepared.
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back now with the"the roundtable" roundtable". joined by matthew dowd. sara fegan. alex cast lan nose. and rowland martin. host of news one now. and jennifer grantholm. let's begin with the big question. sara fegan. is donald trump now the presumptive nominee? can he be stopped? >> i don't think he can be stopped in totality. race. as we head into super tuesday. we're going to have a third of the delegates selected by the end of that evening. donald trump will have majority of the delegates most likely. the question for the republican party is, how do we get folks
convention to beat him? >> you have jeb bush out of the race alex. it look like john kasich and ben carson will stay in. you have three solid candidates they're still going to be dividing a lot of the vote. >> what if donald trump is already stopped? he's hardened a vote around himself that is intense. will walk through ice storms to vote. but he's also hardened a lot of vote against himself. jeb bush drops out of the race. a lot of that vote goes to rubio. rubio is close to trump in states like virginia, north carolina. if cruz wins texas. rubio wins in other states and goes into florida. wins that. what if there's a romney endorsement? rubio may have won the nomination last night. >> the problem with that, alex, what you have described is three
third a third and a third. and in that scenario, this thing longer. and you have scenario where we're in the convention, potentially. >> i think there's a premise in that that i don't think we have been proven yet. when you win, your ceiling usually goes up. when you start winning, more voters start being more available to you. i think donald trump, as of tomorrow morning is going start looking across the landscape. his numbers in the states that were already high will rise because he won. >> democrats prepared for race against donald trump? >> you know, give us any of them. but donald trump, which is such great contrast with what happened yesterday in nevada on the democratic side. donald trump being anti-mexican, anti-muslim, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti-science. and hillary clinton putting together this coalition that look like america.
republican party. i hear these guys desperately hoping that that's not going to be the case. but donald strump now thetrump is now the face of the republican party. they've made their bed. they have to lie in it. >> you had more candidates in 2008. so what they should be focusing on right now is yes, you have, stop complaining about bernie sanders being this the race. you need him in the race because you need media attention. you need a lot of folks paying 'tension. they should be driving hard. registration, registration, registration. i don't understand why they're not spending massive amount of money in texas to register those 2.1 million eligible unregistered hispanics. nearly 1 million folks in georgia alone that are unregistered. that's where they should be. it will be a turnout game for them in ohio and florida. >> one of the things we learned
a couple of things. the establishment force in the democratic party is stronger than the establishment force in the republican party. the establishment force was able to stop bernie sanders yesterday. the two dominant players from yesterday, hillary clinton and donald trump, are incredibly flaud continues. hillary clinton is not doing well with younger voters. distrusted by the ma yort majority of the country. disliked by the majority of the country. donald trumpl, distrusted and disliked by the majority of the country. >> let me pick up on the first point. this has been remarkable. establishment. fear of donald trump. do something about it. is this that's right. you have not seen much money spent against him to date. and, what's more is, i think the challenges -- we haven't been able to get behind an alternative. there's no evidence that ted
marco rubio is on the ascent. john kasich believes he has a fire wall in michigan and ohio. unless we call the field to one alternative, donald trump may not be stopped. >> that's not the problem. >> donald trump -- >> from a delegate map perspective, yes, roland, it is a problem. >> i think donald trump is plutonium. it can fuel your business but it can also kill you. and they lee him alone. and there's a good argument to do that because he may be capped. the way to run against donald trump is to run against hillary clinton. is to a generational race. leave him behind. he may be stuck where he is. >> that's what's been happening for the last six months and he's running away with the nomination. >> george this is their problem, this is their problem, they invited evil in and now evil is taking over. okay. 2009, the night of obama's inauguration, we will stop him
they love the tea party ang person they took advantage of it. they said, we can control it the. we can harness it. now all of a sudden, trump is taking advantage of it. the republican establishment has to say, we played with fire. now it's about to consume us. >> they have to accept some blame. >> donald trump is going to take over. >> i don't think the establishment has played with tire. it looks more like a hostile takeover. donald trump is nonknot a conservative. >> why did they like his burter against obama? the fund raising in 2012? if the republicans accepted his fund-raising prowess in 2012? >> we've told america that our principles are only good for saying no and telling people what they can't do. there's a democratic party that is offering more of the same old failure.
a republican party that can only say no to everything. the american people are furious on both ends. they want to throw everything out. the failure belongs to both parties. >> i agree with alex. what created donald trump is both party establishments. the country feeling lying the institution that exists in washington doesn't work for anybody. certainly doesn't work for the working class of the country. that's the same thing that created bernie sanders. >> only 4% of the republican superpac money is spent attacking donald trump. you have had total hands off. ross dellpat from the new york sometimes said this is the way to attack donald trump. go right at the hypocrisy of him mortgage. hurt. his base. those who wept on -- >> it hasn't been done. >> you have not -- >> political ads in this -- >> he's got -- he's making ties in china.
>> political ads in this campaign have not worked. the voters in the republican paent don't have all the information? they have the information. he'sone more to take himself than any other candidate and he continues to win. the problem is, until this race, i agree with sara. until this race goes to a one-on-one race. and it may never go to a one-on-one race, donald trump wins. >> don't try to blame the democrats for this one. the republicans loved the anger when it helped them in the midterms. they don't like it now. >> voters know these candidates. this has been national campaign. we're exhausted with them. there's no new information that will change that. what is going to change it may be winning and momentum or gee geometry geometry. kbt candidates falling out. >> here's the challenge moving forward. i don't believe donald trump will ultimately be the nominee. it may be a bloody fight on the
>> is that a dream? >> it may be a bloody fiteght on the convention floor. whoever es represent the party in november needs to figure out how the harness his supporters. that will be very challenged. >> donald trump represents 60 million frustrated americans. we talk about it like it's a weird thing over there. he represents a huge chunk of the american public. they're trying to vent how they feel. their frustration and anger. >> you're not saying 50 million, 60 million will vote for trump? >> if donald trump is the republican nominee -- >> part of the issue is anger. they're ticked off at america changing in terms of how we look, becoming a majority-minority country. they're ticked off. those same voters at some point, need to say, i was the one who
they also have to say, hold on, hold on. that's the mistake we make. we want to -- we want to hold everybody accountable except for the people that vote for candidates. i would say, oh, john wayne, donald trump is my man. show me how that man has cared about a republican voter over his career? no, no, no. >> i was going to say in the general lex, when you put donald trump's experience in foreign policy and in going and doing that against hillary clinton's, she'll have a chance to pull over a lot of independent voters. second -- wait, wait. last night, last night, if you asked people in nevada what their number one issue is, they would say jobs. she won those voters enormously because sheas since new hampshire, started to focus her message on what is causing people to be -- have barriers. >> i have to call time. i have to call time. >> 650,000 voted in south carolina.
your iphone. there's likely health information. intimate conversations with your family. and you should have the ability to protect it. and, the only way we know how to do that is to encrypt it. >> apple and google are their own sheriffs. they're acting like teenagers, saying no one can tell me what to do. >> that battle between apple and the fbi ramped up big-time this week when the fbi asked a judge to force apple to help them unlock the iphone of the san bernardino terrorist. we're joined byhe lawyer who will be making apple's case. ted olson. mr. olson, thank you for joining us this morning. the justice department had tough words for apple. this is not about privacy and security but apple'soncern for its business model and public brand marketing strategy. how do you respond? >> we have the greatest respect
the fbi for their goals and their motivations. we would hope we would goat the same respect and understanding back. this san extremely important debate about privacy, civil liberties and so forth. we want, and apple has helped the fbi in this investigation in every way the law required. but it has to draw the line at re-creating code. changing its iphone, putting its engineers and creative talents to destroy the iphone as it exists. apple has a responsibility to maintain the trust and faith of millions of people who are depended upon apple to produce a product that protects their privacy, their intimate personal life. this is a pandora's box. magistrate. there are hundreds of magistrates. hundreds of other courts. and there's no limit to what the
to do if it succeeds this way. we're before a judge. the judge hasn't decided yet. we're filing briefs lp there will be arguments. this is a process that even the fbi director has recognized is an important national debate. the law doesn't require apple to do what the fbi is asking so far. congress hasn't addressed the issue. apple is adhering to the trust of its millions of iphone purchasers. >> how far does this principle extend? would am be a posing this request? >> apple cooperates in every way possible. if you were asked or your network were asked to create a program to use your talents to ensnare a kidnapper, a criminal, a money-launderer, or a terrorist, you would have the responsibility to resist that unless and until there's legal
do that. apple respects the law. but the -- this very issue was debated, fbi director comey who i know and respect great deal said there should be a debate. congress should maybe do something about this. the government decided not to congress. it needs to be done. we're waiting for a court to hear the issues and decide this thing. there's a -- a matter -- this is not just one magistrate in san bernardino. there are judges all over the country. and foreign governments. people in foreign countries that will be very, very susceptible to invasion of their privacy if apple can be forced to change its iphone, to redesign its iphone. it's cooperated in every way it can with respect to the powers that it has. it's resisted changing the system that people have trusted. >> how far is apple willing to
will the executives be willing to go the jail, be held in contempt? >> i don't want to get ahead of the judicial branch. there's a magistrate yesterdayt to have a hearing. i'm sure if it rules in our favor, the government will appeal. if it rules against apple, an appeal. ultimately, possibly, to the united states supreme court. we're not talking about contempt of court. we're talking about respecting the fact that a court hasn't really ruled yet. and congress has decided not to enter into this area and not to require apple to do what is basically, essentially very difficult to do and would require apple to comeply with these types of court orders all over the world. damaging your personal, financial privacy, health records. where your children are. the implications are very important.
having us on your program. we need to debate these issues. remember, terrorists wish to change our lives. they wish to take away our civil liberties. we can't surrender our civil liberties and give the terrorists victory that they actually seek. we had a revolutionary war over general writs supplied by the king. we have to stick to principles. >> we're joined by john miller, the nypd's deputy commissioner. mr. solsen said, this is going to affect everybody. your response? american. he's great american. he served his country adds department. he's been a first amendment lawyer in other cases. but, remember, the client here, apple. this case is entirely overstated. the giant parade of terribles,
phone and find out there's a message in it that tips us off to two other terrorists and a plot here in new york city, that's on me, george. so that's important. that the parade of terribles, which is suddenly the government will seize everybody's health records, go through the private information and give it away to the world is absush. up until september 14th, apple held the key to its own code. they held it in apple head quarters. when somebody showed up with a search warrant, signed bay federal judge or some other lawful authority. apple took the key, opened it up, provided it. >> i want to get to one specific answer to something. sit possible for apple to tailor something for this phone in that way they can then destroy it so it's not reply kabl? >> that's the absurd thing. what the justice department
its own lab, its own offices, find a feature that can bypass the thing that will destroy all the information in the phone after ten false tries on the code, and to take that and then throw it away and hand the phone back to the fbi with a couple of features that allows them to try codes on it. this phone, a government-owned phone that belonged to two dead people who have no privacy rights who are in the middle of a frift investigation. i don't know why we're still
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