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access.wgbh.org >> dickerson: today on "face the nation" can anything or anyone stop donald trump or hillary clinton from going all the way to their party's nomination. and super tuesday, we'll talk to the three top republican contenders, donald trump who leads by big margins in most super tuesday states and texas senator ted cruz. there. >> there is no doubt if donald steam rolls through super tuesday, he may well be unstoppable. i don't think that will happen. >> dickerson: he's not the only one vowing to stop donald trump we'll talk to senator marco rubio. >> i will do whatever it takes. dickerson: hillary clinton with a big win. we'll talk to her rival bernie sanders about his future plus tracker numbers. it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs
the nation" i'm john dickerson. super tuesday where there are primaries or caucuses in 12 states. according to our cbs news battleground tracker things are looking good for the front runsers. in virginia donald trump is at the top of the republican field with 40%. marco rubio follows with 7% and ted cruz is in third at 22. georgia is also showing 40% for trump, ted cruz second at 29%. marco rubio is at 22. but in his home state of texas it's ted cruz up by 11 points over donald trump and marco rubio is in third with 19%. john kasich and ben carson are much further behind. we'll have more battleground poll numbers and results from the south carolina democratic primary coming up but right now we want to go to donald trump who joins us from his home in west palm beach. mr. trump i want to start with a tweet from you this morning in which you write, quote, republican establishment has been pushing for light weight senator marco rubio to say
i signed the pledge, careful. what does that mean? >> well, they're not treating me well. i signed the pledge, i've been very good and straight and honest and honorable not treated me well. look at the way they stacked the audiences in the debate i've won every debate according to every poll. every single online poll but way they stacked the audiences, the way they talk. they have this light weight senator marco rubio saying terrible things, just personal terrible things. i don't think it's fair the way that the establishment is treating donald trump. i'll be honest with you. i signed the pledge. i will abide by the pledge unless they default. as far as i'm concerned they defaulted. >> dickerson: you wouldn't abide by the pledge because you think they're defaulting. >> i think you understand exactly what's going on you pick up any paper, always talking about how we can overthrow donald trump.
millions of people. that feel angry and disenfranchise. these are great people. i love them. i'll tell you what we're not being treated right. the republican party not treating me right and they're not treating the people that i represent right. >> dickerson:let me ask you ask you question of taxes, you're being audited. what about release knowledge summary that sometimes what candidates do, show your income, charitable deductions, would you do that? >> i've already released my financials which are massive, by the way, it's over $10 billion of net worth that i built with very small starter years ago. i've already done that. that's down and filed in the federal elections office if people want to see it they can. obviously your cohorts have gone through them in great detail. i've been given very good reviews. >> dickerson: what about a
>> you don't learn very much. john, you don't learn of much from tax returns when you're under audit you don't give your papers. i've been under audit for so many years, every year i get audited. for i think over ten years maybe even 12 years. i've been audited. i think it's very fair, i think i'm being singled out, it's not a fair situation that the i.r.s. audits me every year. i have friends that are very wealthy, they have never been ought it. why are -- am i audited every single year. until the audit is completed obviously i wouldn't show anything. i'll show it as soon as it's completed i have nothing to hide -- >> dickerson: what about -- everything of real value is in my financial disclosure form. >> dickerson: you said that in interview with cnn after the last debate you were being targeted because the fact i'm a strong christian, what does that mean? >> it could be that.
tea party. i have a lot of different likes maybe dislikes. i don't know why. but why is it that every single year i get audited i have friends that are very wealthy they have never been audited. >> dickerson: would you produce the audit in terms of those who are skeptical maybe this is effort to not release your tax returns? >> i don't think i have problem with that. i assume i can give you a letter from a big law firm saying that we're under audit. but i've been -- i'll let you know how many years. i've been audited for consecutive years, many, many years i think it's unfair. i say to my people how come i'm always audited and friends of mine are never audited. >> dickerson: let me ask you a question that's been raised about foreign workers in florida. the "new york times" said there were people that wanted the job you had said basically only can find farm workers because there aren't americans who want the jobs. the "new york times" said there were people.
it's during the season within you can't get people it's very, very hard to hire people, qualified people. lot of people didn't want the job because it's a three to four month job just during the season, the hot season, the high season. it's very hard to get people because it's just one of those things. everybody is working. and then during the off season it's easy we don't have the people during the off season because the club closes during off season, lot of people don't want part-time job. >> dickerson: you say that american corporations should build, come back to america, build their products here, have american work workers. why would those corporations say version of what you're saying they can't find the workers here they got to go other places y. wouldn't they just say what you're saying. >> because those are full time jobs. that kind of thing, talking about full time jobs. lot of the people this we made offers to, when we make offers when they hear it's part-time job, it's four month or five month job i understand this they're not interested. they're american people they're not interested.
thousands of people that i do hire. thousands and thousands of people on my payroll over the years that are tens of thousands of people that work moore me. pick up one club where it has high season where very, very hard. it's very hard to get people in palm beach during the season, during the social season. >> dickerson: michael hayden the former director of the national security agency said that if you ordered u.s. forces to kill the families of terrorists which you suggested also use waterboarding which you also suggest that they would refuse you. what is your response to that? >> i don't know what he means by refuse. i can only tell you lot of bad things, they're chopping off heads in syria, they're chopping off heads all over the middle east, isis is doing number, plenty of other -- isis is doing it now. all i know is that when they start chopping off heads we have to be very firm, we have to be very strong, we have to be very vigilant and i heard a statement i disagree with the statement
can you imagine these people that chop off heads of christians and plenty of other people and they do it routinely and they drown people in big steel metal cages, they drown them. they leave them in for half hour then pull it up and everybody is dead. they hear us talking about waterboarding, give me a bridge we have to get a lot tougher if we're going to win this war. if we're not going to get tougher we're not going to win this war. >> dickerson: thanks for being with us, we'll speak to you again soon. >> thank you very much. dickerson: we caught up with senator ted cruz on the campaign trail in virginia beach. what other states were you on super tuesday? >> the most important day of this entire primary election. it is the most delegates awarded in a single night. i think we are positioned to have a very good night on super tuesday, about 65% of republicans believe that donald trump is not the best candidate
and we are the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and we're the only candidate that can beat donald trump if you look at super tuesday states we're running neck and neck with donald in states all across super tuesday. so it is my he that all of the republicans who recognize that nominating a candidate who agrees with hillary clinton on host of issues, who has very similar record, is not the path to victory. if we come together, conservatives stand together we'll have great night. >> dickerson: if they don't is he unstoppable? >> there is no doubt that if donald steam rolls through super tuesday, wins everywhere with big marge in that he may well be unstoppable. i don't think that will happen. but i think if you're at home and you don't want donald trump to be the republican nominee then only candidate who can beat donald is our campaign. so i would encourage, even if you like another candidate, stand with us if you don't want donald to be the nominee.
sunner tuesday, that is how we end upbeating donald and nominating a proven conservative which is what it's going to take. >> dickerson: what did you make donald? surprise. rubio campaign. but at the end of the day, the washington establishment is going where they're going to go. this is super tuesday is a conservatives go. i think the debate this week was really some powerful moments of clarity. we saw that donald trump substantively has the same issues on issue after issue as hillary clinton. he agreed with hillary clinton on libya. toppling the government in libya that led directly to benghazi. led to handing that country over. he agreed with hillary clinton supporting john kerry who agreed with hillary clinton on being, quote, neutral between israel and the palestinians. i'll tell you as president i'm not going to be neutral. america will stand
on domestic policy, donald trump agreed with barack obama on the wall street bail out. the bail out of big bank. i think the government ought to be standing with mainstream, with working men and women. and then you put on top of that the ethical issues. whether it is refusing to release his taxes. and that's a real problem. >> dickerson: why is that a problem? why is it a problem if he doesn't release them? >> i'm being audited for two years, then three years, then maybe five years. if there's a problem his taxes, voters have a right to know because come september, october the general election, fox in the media are going to make a heyday about any problems in his taxes, i think primary voters have right to know and his excuse that he's being audited. that makes it even more important. for him to release his taxes so voters can see if there is -- mitt romney suggested there could be bombshell there. i don't know if there is or not.
the voters and i think he owes cannedder to the voters. >> dickerson: he said some pretty bracing things about you still like him. how can that be the case? >> donald is a charming person. he can be fun -- >> dickerson: but he can turn on you. >> just overnight he can turn on you get nasty and personal and vicious. i treat him as an entertainer, i laugh him off. it's like going to the circus seeing the acrobats and dancing bears. he's willing to say things that are patently false. for example, at the debate this week he backed off of his health care position for 20 years. for 20 years he has agreed with hillary clinton and bernie sanders on socialized medicine saying, obama compare doesn't go far enough. he wants the government to pay for everyone's health care and control it. and he and i had back and forth where i asked him. is it true or false that he said the government should pay for ever one's health care. he said it's false.
contrasting what he said there with video of him just few months earlier saying exactly the opposite. and what i think the debate this week did, is gave real clarity to the voters. that to beat hillary, we need a consistent conservative, someone who has stood for free market principles, who has stood for constitution and critically who stood for the working men and women of this country. we talked a lot about donald's record on immigration. that he is irony he made the center of his entire campaign immigration given that he faced a $1 million court judgment for being part of a conspiracy to hire illegal aliens, given that just this week, news broke that he is hiring foreign workers at his fancy hotel in florida and he claims, he did interview after the debate where he said, gosh, you can't find americans to do these jobs to be waiters or waitresses or bell hops.
the "new york times" reported roughly 300 americans applied for those jobs, he only hired 17 instead he brought in foreign workers because they're captive workers, you can pay them less, they can't leave. and i think the working men and women are getting hammered right now, they want someone they can trust to stand with them and part of the reason so many conservatives are uniting behind our campaign i'm the only one that led the battle against am negligence tee, led the battle to security the borders and for working men and women. >> dickerson: the question about borders and your position on immigration with undocumented workers. bill o'reilly prepared with you hypothetical someone over stayed their visa, president cruz going to send the feds, take him output him on a plane. you said you better believe it. in an interview given similar scenario we don't have system that knocks on doors of every person in america, one case you were not knocking on the doors and -- >> difference is how large.
that knock on the door of every american citizen, we don't do that. but when we have evidence that a particular person has committed a crime we send law enforcement to apprehend them. the he is spiff i can question was visa over say. john, right now, current federal law requires a biometric exit-entry system when you come in on visa. obama administration is just ignoring federal law. 40% of illegal immigration not people across the borders i willlily it's people who come legally on a visa and never leave. if we have a biometric exit-entry system we know if john dickerson comes in for six months and hasn't left we know on the day after six months, okay, john exceeded his visa. with that exit-entry system we can send law enforcement agents that exist to go get john say, you're here illegally. that is how law enforcement operates. >> dickerson: senator cruz, thanks so much. >> thank you, john. dickerson: we'll be back in one minute with another of the top consteppedders in the
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>> dickerson: welcome back to fakes the nation. vermont senator bernie sanders joins us from rochester, minnesota. senator, it was disappointing loss in south carolina last night. coming up there's georgia, virginia, texas. when analysts look at that map they say there's not a plausible path for you to the nomination, what is your response? >> well, my response that i'm in minnesota, i think we're going to win here in minnesota and win in colorado. i think we're going to win in oklahoma. we're going to do well in massachusetts and going to win in vermont and got number of states are coming up that we're going to do extremely well, possibly winning including california and new york state. i think we do have a path to victory i won't tell that you we didn't get beaten and beaten very badly yesterday in south carolina. i congratulate secretary clinton on her victory, but, john, i think that's as bad as it's going to get. >> dickerson: when you look at
surpasses all analysts who ok at your campaign from the beginning, even given progress you've made, is there enough time left, you mentioned some places where you think you've done well, but isn't time kind of running out? >> no, i don't think so. i think you got tuesday we'll have over 800 delegates being selected. i think we're going to win a very good share of those delegates. major states coming up and i think the important point is that people throughout this country are resonating to our message. and the message is that super pacs and corrupt campaign finance system are destroying american democracy. we're proud that we received four million individual contributions more than any candidate in american history at this point. people understand that the economy is ripped. going to the people on top, that is why we are doing well.
south carolina as badly as we did, we did very badly. we won the votes of people 29 years of age or younger. the future of the democratic party, the future of this country is involving young people in the political process, getting them to stand up for their rights, dealing with student debt which i got to tell you is questioning people all over this country. making public colleges and universities tuition free, those are the ideas we are bringing out, demanding the wealthy and large corp operations start paying their fair share of taxes. this is what younger people, working class people. that is the future of the democratic party. >> dickerson: in order to create the movement you've been suggesting that you want you're going to need to attract african american voters and you're economic justice message didn't seem to hit home in south carolina. and in other places. isn't that a fatal flaw?
clear. we did really, really badly with older african american voters. we got decimated. on the other hand if you look at the younger people, african american younger people, and whites we did much better. so, again, i think our message, the clinton campaign was very strong, remember this is their fourth campaign in south carolina. two for bill clinton, two for hillary clinton. they had well organized they did well. i congratulate her. we came into that state like 7 or 8% in the polls it was tough road for us to hoe. i want to thank all of our supporters, the members of the south carolina state legislature who stuck with us. we are confident in the future. >> dickerson: our polls show that one bright spot for you is that big majority think that you are more honest and trustworthy than hillary clinton. what does it say to you, though, that voters may believe that and
>> well, i think people cast their votes for a number of reasons. i think if you look at your polls you'll probably find that many people think that our views are closer to what they believe the future of america should be. our views are closer on economic issues. lot of those polls come down to demographics, the age, to how much money you are making. at the bottom line is, we started this campaign, john, 3% in the polls. in the also two weeks national polls that actually had us in the lead or reasonably close to secretary clinton. if you were with me yesterday in texas you see 10,000 people out in austin, 8,000 people out in dallas. we had good turn out here last night. i believe we have lot of momentum. sometimes the media -- this state had election at the end of the campaign.
we're feeling good. >> dickerson: all right, senator bernie sanders we'll be back with more numbers from our cbs news battleground tracker. ell onringwheraryou?ll tquirrels are back in the attic. m?ur dad won't call an exteator can ouk, mom he say's per isime. ife a yo at the worst time. it's what you do. youto s fiftpercor on curan you ch to geico. it'st you dowhere are you? it's very loud there. are you taking a zumba class? there is no way allergies are getting in my way. 14 days into my allergy season... ...and i am still claritin clear. because when i got itchy watery eyes...
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politics as usual he's growing something much more. specifically, voters in georgia, in virginia and in texas all think that donald trump has the best chance now to win the general election. and also think that he has the most optimistic message of the remaining candidates. this isn't just about for them voting against something, against politics as usual. it's a signal that they're voting for something. that is in politics very powerful. that's a campaign that will have legs. >> dickerson: tuesday we've got bunch of states voting, ted cruz will do well in texas. what can we learn about what's happening with cruz in texas whether it translates to any other state outside of his home turf. >> it's not translating right now. in texas, voters who know him say he has the most experience and say that he can best shake up politics. but donald trump owns those issues everywhere else.
cruz you heard in your interview saying he's the conservative. well, he's winning that argument. they are overwhelmingly as most conservative but it's not enough. because he loses some of the voters who think he's most conservative to trump and also voters are placing more importance on, not just shaking up politics, but also fixing the economy and donald trump owns those issues. on the political monopoly board you want to own space but the most valuable space. that shake up politics in these >> dickerson: important again just to be clear because suggests if cruz can't win outside of his home territory not going to make inroads in other places. >> may pick up delegates elsewhere and hold serve in his home state but right now he's trailing every place else. >> dickerson: all the candidates say, remaining candidates i want it to come down to one on one race than i'll have shot against donald trump. in the numbers do you see any
candidates were to fall away that enough voters would go to the remaining person who is alternative to trump that would actually change the state of things? >> no. donald trump would get, when we ask people, if he doesn't get the nomination who would you support. donald trump would get enough of rubio voters, enough of cruz's voters, not majority but enough, that added to his current standing would keep him as the front runner. consolidated race doesn't necessarily help who is left standing and i think that's important. figured donald trump up around 40 he doesn't need that much to then get to majority. we've always talked about how he has a ceiling, he still does. there's lot of people would not make him second choice but his ceiling isn't quite as low as we once thought. >> dickerson: over to the democratic races it over? >> not yet. but super tuesday looks pretty good for hillary clinton. there's couple of thing going on. one is we talked about the
states, you saw the big support among african american voters that's consistent across all super tuesday states that we survey. people still say that bernie sanders is the honest candidate and is the principled candidate but similarity here almost to the republican side, too. these are metrics that we thought going in would be winning ones, they're not enough. being principled and is important, but where voters are going now for senator clinton's campaign that they're seeing her as qualified and seeing her as experienced, that's obviously her campaign message. they're voting on that. she's got big leads over sanders on those metrics and that's what is driving lot of this. >> dickerson: great, anthony,
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