tv CBS News The Third Presidential Debate CBS October 19, 2016 9:00pm-11:00pm EDT
> captioning sponsored by cbs > the final face-off. hillary clinton and donald trump. >> they are here in las vegas and the stakes could not be higher. >> one of them will be the next president of the united states. >> he is unfit to be commander in chief. >> these vicious claims are absolutely false. >> remember, friends don't let friends vote for trump. >> she should not be allowed to run. she's a corrupt person. >> when they go low, we go high. >> campaign 2016, a presidential debate from the university of
king, and john dickerson. >> good evening. and welcome to cbs news coverage of the final of three presidential debates. you could say this is the last chance for voters to really size up these candidates before the election. >> you know the saying norah, what happens in vegas, stays in vegas. except for tonight where they're calling this political fight night. the last two debates were called personal, nasty, dark. our own bob schieffer called last week's showdown in st. louis disgraceful. th been what will we see tonight? because a lot has happened in the past 10 days. >> donald trump is now down nine points in our latest cbs news poll. no presidential candidate has made up a deficit that large this close to the election. >> strategist frank luntz will be watching the debate tonight with a group of voters here in the battleground state of nevada, and we'll hear what they have to say when this is all over about 90 minutes from now. >> the nonpartisan debate commission chose chris wallace of fox to moderate the debate, and he is solely responsible for the questions.
and, john, we heard from the debate commission that they want this to be a substantive debate, drilling down on the issues. will we see that? >> that's what they want. donald trump has another plan. he has said he is now unshackled, and we've seen since the last debate what that means-- tough attacks on hillary clinton, attacks on the women who have accused him of assault, attacks on bill clinton, and also this talk of a rigged election, tell his supporters to watch certain communities in cities. he's raising questions about the legitimacy of the election. this is all an effort to ab to do tonight, destabilizing, and hillary clinton's task is just to stay on balance. >> we'll see how that turns out. there's been a lot of speculation tonight about which donald trump will show up. major garrett has been covering the trump campaign and joins us. major. >> if trump advisers get their way, and that's not always the case with donald trump, he will change the subject away from a barrage of stories accusing him of sexual misconduct, and in some cases, worse, and embrace mantle of change, describe
genuine agent of change on the economy, on security, and the special interest influence in washington. if he can do that, trump advisers believe he can reignite a campaign that's gone through a very tough patch. >> major, thank you. nancy cordes covers the clinton campaign. >> norah, clinton's approach tonight-- if it ain't broke, don't fix it. her aides believe these debates have been the catalyst for the rise in the polls the past few weeks because she's been able to show she can stand up to donald trump can and kee h he sometimes does not. the one wild card-- how does she explain the misgivings her own aides have expressed in those hacked e-mails. >> the debate is about to begin. let's go down to the stage per this final presidential debate. >> good evening from the thomas and mack center at the university of nevada, las vegas. i'm chris wallace of fox news. and i welcome you to the third and final of the 2016 presidential debates between secretary of state hillary
this debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. the commission has designs the format-- six, roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. both campaigns have agreed to those rules. for the record, i decided the topics and the questions in each topic. none of those questions has been shared with the commission or the two candidates. the audience here in the hall has promised to no cheers, boos, or other interruptions, so we and you can focus on what the candidates have to say. no noise, except right now as we welcome the democratic nominee for president, secretary clinton. and the republican nominee for president, mr. trump. ( applause )
>> secretary clinton, mr. trump, welcome. let's get right to it. the first topic is the supreme court. you both talked briefly about the court in the last debate, but i want to drill down on this because the next president will almost certainly have at least one appointment, and likely-- or possibly two or three appointments, which means that you will, in effect, determine the balance of the court for what could be the next qur century. first of all, where do you want to see the court take the country? and secondly, what's your view on how the constitution should be interpreted? do the founders' words mean what they say, or is it a living document to be applied flexibly, according to changing circumstances?ce in this segment, secretary clinton, gufirst. you have two minutes. >> thank you very much, chris. and thanks to u.n.l.v. for hosting us.
about the supreme court, it really raises the central issue in this election; namely, what kind of country are we going to be? what kind of opportunities will we provide for our citizens? what kind of rights will americans have? and i feel strongly that the supreme court needs to stand on the side of the american people, not on the side of the powerfulr corporations and the wealthy. for me, that means that we need a supreme court up on behalf of women's rights, on behalf of the rights of the l.g.b.t. community, that will stand up and say no to citizens united, a decision that has undermind the election system in our country because of the way it permits dark, unaccountable money to come into our eleceral system. i have major disagreements with my opponent about these issues
but i feel that at this point in our country's history, it is important that we not reverse marriage equality, that we not reverse "roe v. wade" that we stand up against citizens united, we stand up for the rights of people in the workplace, that we stand up and basically say the supreme court should represent all of us. that's how i see the court. and the kind of people that i would be looking the court would be in the great tradition of standing up to the powerful, standing up on behalf of our rights as americans. and i look forward to having that opportunity. i would hope that the senate would do its job and confirm the nominee that president obama has sent to them. that's the way the constitution fundamentally should operate-- the president nominates and then the senate advises and concents or not.
process. >> secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump, same question, where do you want to see the court take the country and how do you believe the constitution should be interpreted? >> well, first of all, it's a great to be with you, and thank you, everybody. the supreme court is what it's all about. our country is so, so-- just so imperative that we have the right justices. something happened recently where justice ginsberg made some very, very inapr statements toward me and toward a tremendous number of people, many, many millions of people they represent. and she was forced to apologize. and apologize she did. but these were statements that should never, ever have been made. we need a supreme court that, in my opinion, is going to uphold the second amendment and all amendments, but the second amendment, which is under absolute siege. i believe if my opponent should win this race-- which i truly
will have a second amendment which will be a very, very small replica of what it is right now. but i feel that it's absolutely important that we uphold because of the fact that it is under such trauma. i feel that the justices that i am going to appoint-- and i've named 20 of them-- the justices that i'm going to appoint will be prolife. they will have a conservative bent. they will be protecting the second they are great scholars in all cases, and they're people of tremendous respect. they will interpret the constitution the way the founders wanted it interpreted. and i believe that's very, very important. i don't think we should have justices appointed that decide what they want to hear. it's all about the constitution of-- of-- and so important, the constitution the way it was
and those are the people that i will appoint. >> mr. trump, thank you. we now have about 10 minutes for an open discussion. i want to focus on two issues that in fact, by the justices that you name, could end up changing the existing law of the land. first is one that you mentioned, mr. trump, ands that guns. secretary clinton, you said last year-- and let me quote-- "the supreme court is wrong on the second amendment." and now, in fact, in the 2008 "heller" case the court ruled that there is a constitutional right to bear arms, but a right that is reasonably limited. those were the words of the judge, antonin scalia, who wrote the decision. what's wrong with that? >> well, first of all, i support the second amendment. i lived in arkansas for 18 wonderful years. i represented upstate new york. i understand and respect the tradition of gun ownership. it goes back to the founding of our country.
regulation. because i support the second amendment, doesn't mean that i want people who shouldn't have guns to be able to threaten you, kill you or members of your family. and so when i think about what we need to do, we have 33,000 people a year who die from guns. i think we need comprehensive background checks. we need to close the online loophole. close the gun show loophole. there are other mrs think are sensible, that are the kind of reforms that would make a difference that are not in any way conflicting with the second amendment. you mentioned the "heller" decision, and what i was saying that you referenced, chris, was that i disagreed with the way the court aplield the second amendment in that case. because what the district of columbia was trying to do was to protect toddlers from guns, and so they wanted people with guns
and the court didn't accept that reasonable regulation, but they've accepted many others. so i see no conflict between saving people's lives and defending the second amendment. >> let me bring mr. trump in here. the bipartisan open debate coalition got billions of vote on questions to ask here, and this was in fact one of the top questions that they got. how will you ensure the second amendment is protected? you just heard secretary clinton's answer. does s you may disagree on regulation, that in fact she supports a second amendment right to bear arms? >> well, the "d.c. versus heller" decision was very strongly-- and she was very angry about it. i watched. she was very, very angry when upheld. and it was a well crafted decision. but hillary was extremely upset, extremely angry. and people that believe in the
it very strongly was very upset with what she had to say. >> let me breng in, secretary clinton, were you extremely upset? >> well, i was upset, because, unfortunately, dozens of toddlers injure themselves, evev kill people with guns because, unfortunately, not everyone who has loaded guns in their homes takes appropriate precautions. but there's mow doubt that i respect the second amendment, they also believe there's an individual right to bear arms. that is not in conf sensible, commonsense regulation. and, you know, look, i understand that donald's been strongly supported by the n.r.a. the gun lobby is on his side. they're running millions of dollars of ads against me, and i regret that. because what i would like to see is for people to come together and say, of course, we're going to protect and defend the second amendment. but we're going to do it in a way that tries it to save some of these 33,000 lives that we lose every year.
into it. because in fact you oppose any limits on assault weapons, any limits on high-capacity magazines. you support a national right to carry law. why, sir? >> well, let me just tell you, before we go any further, in chicago, which has the toughest gun lawlz in the united states, probably you could say by far, they have more gun violence than any other city. so we have the toughest laws, and you have tremendous gun convenience. i am a the second amendment, and i am-- i don't know if hillary was saying it in a sarcastic manner, but i'm very proud to have the endorsement of the n.r.a., and it's the earliest endorsement they've ever given to anybody who ran for president. so i'm very honored by all of that. we are going to appoint justices-- this is the best way to help the second amendment-- we are going to appoint justices that will feel very strongly about the second amendment, that will not do damage to the second amendment.
another issue which divides you and the justices that whoever ends up winning this election appoint could have a dramatic effect there, and that's the issue of abortion. mr. trump, you're prolife. but i want to ask you specifically, do you want the court, including the justices that you will name, to overturn "roe v. wade" which includes-- in fact, state-- a woman' womant to abortion? >> well, if that would happen because i am prolife and be appointing prolife judges, i would think that will go back to the individual states. >> but i'm asking you specifically-- >> if they overturn it, it will go back to the states. >> what i'm asking you, sir, is document to see the court overturn? you said you want to see the court protect the segment, do you want to see the court overturn-- >> if we put two, perhaps three justices on, that will happen. and that will happen automatically, in my opinion, because i am putting prolife justices on the court.
back to the states. and the states will then make a determination. >> secretary clinton? >> well, i strongly support "roe v.wade" which guarantees a constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, most difficult in many cases, decisions about her health care that one can imagine. and in this case, it's not only about "roe v. wade." it is about what's happening right now in america. so many states are stringent regulations on women that block them from exercising that choice, to the extent that they are defunding plannednn parenthood-- which, of course, provides all kinds of cancer screenings and other benefits for women in our country. donald has said he's in favor of defunding planned parenthood. he even supported shutting the government down to defund planned parenthood. i will defend planned
amy werights to make their own health care decisions. we have come too far to go back. indeed he said women should be punished, that there should be some form of punishment for women who obtain abortions, and i could just not be more opposed to that kind of thinking. >> i'm going to give you a chance to respond, but i want to ask you, secretary clinton, how far you believe the right to abortion goes. you have been quoted as saying e rights. you also voted against a ban on late-term, partial-birth abortions. why? >> because, "roe v. wade" very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion, so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account. and when i voted as a senator, i did not think that that was the
the end of pregnancy are often the most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make. i have met with women who toward the end of their pregnancy get the worst news one could get, that their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term. or that something terrible has happened, or just been discovered about the pregnancy. i do not think the united states government should be stepping ii and making those st of decisions. so you can regulate if you are doing so with the life and the health of the mother taken into account. >> mr. trump, your reaction? particularly on this issue of late-term, partial-birth abortion? >> well, i think it's terrible. if you go with what hillary is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby. now, you can say that that's
that's okay, but it's not okay with me. because based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and where she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month, on the final day, and that's not acceptable. >> well, that is not what happens in these cases. and using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. you should meet with some of the women that i've met with, women i've known over the course of my life. this is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make. and i do not believe the government should be making it. you know, i've had the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country. i've been to countries where governments either forced women to have abortions, like they used to do in china, or forcewomen to bear children, like they used to do in romania. and i can tell you, the government has no business in the decisions that women make
accordance with their faith, with medical advice. and i will stand up for that right. >> all right, just briefly, i want to move on-- >> and honestly nobody has business doing what i just said, doing that as late as one or two or three or four days prior to birth. nobody has that. >> all right, let's move on to the subject of immigration. and there is almost no issue that separates the two of you more than the issue of immigration-- actually, there are a lot of issues that separa t mr. trump, you want to build a wall. secretary clinton, you have offered no specific plan for how you want to secure our southern border. mr. trump, you are calling for major deportations. secretary clinton, you say that within your first 100 days as president, you're going to offer a package that includes a pathway to citizenship. the question really is why are you right and your opponent wrong? mr. trump, gufirst in this segment. you have two minutes. >> first of all, she wants to give amnesty which is a disaster
people waiting in line for many, many years. we need strong borders. in the audience tonight we have four mothers of-- i mean, these are unbelievable people that i've gotten to know over a period of years, whose children have been killed, brutally killed, by people that came into the country illegally. you have thousands of mothers and fathers and relatives all over the country. they're coming in illegally. drugs are pouring in through the border. we have no country if we have no border. hillary wants to give she wants to have open borders. as you know, the border patrol agents, 16,500, plus ice, endorsed me, first time they've ever endorsed a candidate. it means their job is tougher. but they know what's going on. they know it better than anybody. they want strong borders. they feel we have to have strong borders. i was up in new hampshire the other day, the biggest complaint they have, with all of the problems going on in the world, many of the problems caused by hillary clinton and barack
single biggest problem is heroin that pours across our southern borders, just pouring and destroying their youth. it's poisoning the blood of their youth and plenty of other people. we have to have strong borders. we have to keep the drugs out of our country. we are right-- right now, we're getting the drugs. they're getting the cash. we need strong borders. we need absolute-- we cannot give amnesty. now, i want to build a wall. we need the wall. the border patrol, ice, they all upon one of my first acts will be to get all of the drug lords, the bad ones -- we have some bad, bad people in this country that we have to get out. we're going to get them out and secure the border and once the border is secured at a later date we'll make a determination as to the rest. but we have some bad hombres, and we have to get them out. >> mr. trump thank you.
clinton. >> as he was talking i was thinking of a young girl i met here in las vegas, carla, who is very worried that her parent might be deported because she was born in this country, but they were not. they work hard. hay do everything they can to give her a good life. and you're right. i don't want to rip families apart. i don't want to be sending parents away from children. i don't want to see the deportation force that donald has talked about in action in our we have 11 million undocumented people. they have four million american citizen children. 15 million people. he said as recently as a few weeks ago in phoenix that every undocumented person would be subject to deportation. now, here's what that means. it means you would have to have a massive law enforcement presence where law enforcement officers would be going school to school, home to home, business to business, rounding
and we would then have to put them on trains, on buses, to get them out of our country. i think that is an idea that is not in keeping with who we are as a nation. i think it's an idea that would rip our country apart. i have been for border security for years. i voted for border security in the united states senate. and my comprehensive immigration reform plan, of course, includes border security. but i want to put our resourcess needed-- getting rid of any violent person, anybody who should be deported, we should deport them. when it comes to the wall that donald talks about building, he went to mexico. he had a meeting with the mexican president, didn't even raise it. he chocked. and then got into a twitter war because the mexican president said, "we're not paying for that wall." i think we are both a nation of immigrants and we are a nation
accordingly. and that's why i'm introducing comprehensive immigration reform within the first 100 days with a path to citizenship. >> thank you, sex clinton, i want to follow up-- >> chris, i think i should respond to that. first of all, i had a very good meeting with the president of mexico, very nice man. we will be doing very much better with mexico on trade deals, believe me. the nafta deal signed by her husband is one of the worst deals made of any kind signed by anybody. it's a disaster. hillary clinton wanted the wall. hillary clinton fought for the in 2006, or thereabouts. now, she never gets anything done, so, natural leash the wall wasn't built. but hillary clinton wanted the wall. >> well, let me-- sir-- >> we are a country of laws-- and by the way-- >> no, wait, i'd like to hear from secretary clinton. >> i voted for border security. and there are-- >> and the wall. >> and there are some limited places where that was appropriate. there also is necessarily going
best to deploy that. but it is clear when you look at what donald has been proposing-- he started his campaign bashing immigrant, calling mexican immigrants rapists and criminals and drug dealers, that he has a very different view about what we should do to deal with immigrants. now, what i am also arguing is that bringing undocumented immigrants out from the shadows, putting them into the formal economy, will be good because then them and undercut americans' wages. and donald knows a lot about it this. he used undocumented labor to build the trump power. he underpaid undocumented workers, and when they complained, he basically said what a lot of employers do, "you complain. i'll get you deported." i want to get everybody out of the shadows, get the economy working and not let employers like donald exploit undocumented workers which hurts them but also hurts american workers. >> mr. trump.
millions of people out. nobody knows about it. nobody talks about it. but under obama millions of people have been moved out of this country. they have been deported. she doesn't want to say that, but that's what's happened, and that's what's happened big league. as far as moving these people out and moving-- we either have a country or we don't. we're a country of laws. we either have a border or we don't. now, you can come back in and you become a citizen. but it's very unfair-- we have millions of people that did it the right way. they're on line. they'reti process big league because it's very inefficient. but they're on line and waiting to become citizens. very unfair that somebody who runs across the border-- under her plan you would have open borders. you would have a disast or trade and you would have a disaster with your open borders. >> we will-- >> president obama has deported millions and millions of people just the way it is. >> secretary clinton-- >> we will not have open borders. >> let me-- secretary. >> that is a rank mischaracterization.
but we will also have reform. and this used to be a bipartisan issue. ronald reagan was the last president to sign immigration reform and george w. bush supported it as well. >> secretary clintoniment to clear up your position on this issue, because in a speech you fav to a bra is zillian bank for which you were paid $225,000. you said, "my dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open so that's the question. >> thank you. >> that's the question. please, quiet, everybody. is that your dream, open periods? >> well, if you went on to read the rest of the sentence, evidence talking about energy. you know, we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined. and i do want us to have an electric grid, an energy system that crosses borders. i think that would be a great benefit to us.
from wikileaks. and what's really important about wikileaks is that the russian government has engaged in espionage against americans. they have hacked american web sites, american,, accounts of private people, of institutions. then they have given that information to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. this has come from the highest levels of the russian himself, in an effort, as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed, to influence our election.ct so i actually think the most important question of this evening, chris, is finally, will donald trump admit and condemn that the russians are doing this? and make it clear that he will not have the help of putin in this election, that he rejects
encouraged in the past. those are the questions we need answered. we've never had anything like this happen in any of our elections before. >> that was a great pivot off the fact that she wants open borders. how did we get on to putin? >> hold on. >> no, no. >> hold on, folks. this is going to end up getting out of control. let's try to keep it quiet for the candidates and for the american people. >> so just to finish on the borders. >> yes. >> she wants open borders. people are going our country. people are going to come in from syria. she was 550% more people than barack obama, and he has thousands and thousands of people. they have no idea where they come from. and you see. we are going to stop radical islamic terrorism in this country. she won't even mention the words and neither will president obama. so i just want to tell you, she wants open borders. now we can talk about putin. i don't know putin. he said nice things about me if.
be good. if russia and the united states go along well and went after isis, that would be good. he has no respect for her. he has no respect for our president. and i'll tell you what, we're in very serious trouble because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads -- 1800 by the way-- where they expanded and we didn't. 1800 nuclear warheads. and she's playing chicken. look, putin, from everything i see, has no respect person. >> well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the united states. >> no puppet. you're the puppet. >> it's pretty clear you won't admit-- >> you're the puppet. >> the russians have engaged in cyber attacks against the united states of america. that you encouraged espionage against our people. that you are willing to spout the putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up nato, do whatever he wants to do.
help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race. so i think that this is such an unpress departmented situation. we've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. we have 17, 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyber attacks, come from the highest levels of the and they are designed to influence our election. i find that deeply disturbing. >> secretary clinton-- >> and i think it's time. >> she has no idea whether it's russia-- >> because if-- >> china or anybody else. >> i am not quoting myself. >> hillary, you have no idea. >> 17-- do you doubt 17 military. >> our country has no idea. >> military and civilianil agencies. >> i doubt it. >> he'd rather believe vladimir putin than the military and civilian intelligence
i find that absolutely-- >> she doesn't like putin because putin has outsmart her every step of the way. >> mr. trump-- >> excuse me. >> mr. trump-- >> putin has outsmarted her in syria. >> i'm not a potted plant here. i do get to ask some questions. and i would like to ask you this direct question it's top national security officials of this country do believe that russia has been behind these hacks. even if you don't know for sure whether they are, do you condemn and interf the american election?io >> by russia or anybody else. >> you condemn their interference? >> of course, i condemn. of course-- i don't know putin. >> i'm not asking you that. >> i never met putin. this is not my best friend. but if the united states got along with russia, wouldn't be so bad. let me tell you, putin has outsmarted her and obama every single step of the way, whether it's syria-- you name it-- missiles. take a look at the start-up that
i can't believe they allowed us to do this. they create warheads and we can't. the russians can't believe it. she has been outsmart by putin and all you have to do is look at the middle east, they've taken over. we spent $6 trillion. they've taken over the middle east. she has been outsmarted and outplayed worse than anybody i have ever seen in any government whatsoever. >> we're a long way away from immigration, but i'm going to let you finish this toing. you have about 45 >> and she always will be. >> i find it ironic that he's raising nuclear weapons. this is a person who has been very cavalier, even casual about use of nuclear weapons. he's-- >> wrong. >> advocated more countries getting them-- japan, korea, even saudi arabia. he said, "if we have them, why don't we use them?" which i think is terrifying. here's the deal-- the bottom line on nuclear weapons is when the president gives the order,
there's about four minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so. and that's why 10 people who have had that awesome responsibility have come out and in an unpress departmented way said they would not trust donald trump with the nuclear codes or to have his fing or the nuclear button. >> i have 200 generals and admirals, 21 endorsing me, 21 congressional me recipients. as far as japan and other countries, we are being ripped off by everybody in the world. we're defending other countries. we are spending a fortune doing it. they have the bargain of the century. all i said is we have to renegotiate these agreements because our country cannot afford to defend saudi arabia, japan, germany, south korea, and many other places. we cannot continue to afford-- she took that as saying nuclear weapons-- look.
on so many different ways. this is just another lie. >> well, i'm just quoting you when-- >> there's no quote. you're not going to find a quote from me. >> ...nuclear, nuclear competition in asia. you said, you know, go ahead, enjoy yourselves, folks. that kind of-- >> and defend yourselves. >> that-- well. >> and defend yourself. i didn't say nuclear. >> the peace. the united states has kept the peace through our donald wants to tear up our alliances. i think it makes the world safer and frankly it makes the united states safer. i would work with our allies in asia, in europe, in the middle east, and elsewhere. that's the only way we're going to-- >> no, we are going to move on to the next topic which is the economy. and i hope we handle that as well as we did immigration. you also have very different ideas about how to get the economy growing faster. secretary clinton, in your plan,
you see more government spending, more entitlements, more tax credits, more tax penalties. mr. trump, you want to get government out with lower taxes and less regulation. >> yes. >> we're going to drill down into this a little bit more. but in this overview, please explain to me why you believe your plan will create more jobs and growth for this country, and your opponent's plan will not. in this round, you go first, secretary clinton. >> well, i think when the middle class thrives, and so my plan is based on growing the economy, giving middle class families many more opportunities. i want us to have the biggest jobs program since world war ii. jobs in infrastructure, in advanced manufacturing. i think we can compete with high-wage countries and i believe we should. new jobs in clean energy, not only to fight climate change, which is a serious problem, but to create new opportunities and new businesses. i want us to do more to help
new jobs are going to come from. i want us to raise the national minimum wage because people who live in poverty should not-- who work full time should not still number poverty. and i sure do want to make sure women get equal pay for the work we do. i feel strongly that we have to have an education system that starts with preschool and goes through college. that's why i i want more technical education in high schools and community colleges, real apprenticeships to prepare young people for the jobs of the future. i want to mak and for families making less than $125,000, you will not get a tuition bill from a public college or university if the plan they worked on with bernie sanders is enacted. and we're going to work hard to make sure that it is. because we are going to go where the money is. most of the gains in the last years since the great recession have gone to the very top. so we are going to have the wealthy pay their fair share. we're going to have corporations
that is a plan that has been analyzed by independent experts, which said that it could produce 10 million new jobs. by contrast, donald's plan has been analyzed to conclude it might lose 3.5 million jobs. why? because his whole plan is to cut taxes, to give the biggest tax breaks ever to the wealthy, and to corporations. adding $20 trillion to our debt, and causing the kind of before because it truly will be trickle-down economics on steroids. so the plan i have, i think will actually produce greater opportunities. the plan he has will cost us jobs and possibly lead to another great recession. >> secretary, thank you. mr. trump, why will your plan create more jobs and growth than secretary clinton's. >> first of all, before i start on my plan, her plan is going to raise taxes and even double your taxes. her tax plan is a disaster.
about college tuition and i'm a big proponent. we're going to do a lot of thiks for college tuition. but the rest of the public is going to be paying for it. we will have a massive, massive tax increase under hillary clinton's plan. but i'd like to start off where we left. because when i said japan and germany-- and i'm i not just singling them out-- south korea-- these are rich, powerful countries-- saudi arabia. nothing but money. we protect saudi arabia.wh in when she heard this, i questioned it, and nato, why aren't they paying? because they weren't paying. since i did this-- this was a year ago-- all of a sudden, they're paying. and i've been given a lot of credit for it. all of a sudden they're starting to pay up. they have to pay up. we're protecting people. they have to pay up. and i'm a big fan of nato but they have to pay up. she came out and said we love our allies. we think our allies great. it's awfully hard to get
is saying we think how great they are. we have to tell japan, germany, all of these countries -- south korea-- we have to say, you have to help us out. we have, during his regime,e, during presiden president obama, we've doubled our national debt. we're up to $20 trillion. so my plan, we're going to renegotiate trade deals-- we're going to have a lot of free trade. we're going to have free trade-- more free trade than we have now but we have horrible deals. our jobs are being taken out by one of the deals her husband our jobs are being sucked out of our economy. you look at all the places i just left, guto pennsylvania, ohio, florida, you go to any of them, you go to upstate new york, our jobs have fled to mexico and other places. we're bringing our jobs back. i'm going to renegotiate nafta and if i can't make a great deal we'll terminate nafta and have a new deal. we'll have trade. we'll terminate it. we'll make a great trade deal. and if we can't, we're going to go our separate way because it
massively. we're going to cut business taxes massively. they're going to start hiring people. we're going to bring the $2.5 trillion back into the country. we're going to start the engine rolling because right now our country is dying at 1% g.d.p. >> let me translate that, if i can, chris-- >> caw jeent. >> the fact is he's going to advocate for the largest tax cuts we've ever seen. cuts under the bush administration. i have said repeatedly throughout this campaign, i will not raise taxes on anyone making $250,000 or less. i also will not add a penny to the debt. i have costed out what i'm going to do. he will, through his massive tax cuts, add $20 trillion to the debt. well, he mentioned the debt. we know how to get control of
actually on the path to eliminating the national debt. when president obama came into office, he inherited the worst economic disaster sense the great depression. he has cut the deficit by two-thirds. so, yes, one of the ways you go after the debt, one of the ways you create jobs is by investing in people. so i do have investments, investments in new jobs, investments in education, skill training, and the opportunities for people to get ahead and stay ahead. that's the kind will work. >> secretary-- >> cutting taxes on the wealthy, we've tried what it has not worked the way that it has been promised. >> secretary clinton, i want to pursue your plan because in many ways, it is similar to the obama stimulus plan in 2009. which has led to the slowest g.d.p. growth since 1949. >> correct. >> thank you, sir. you told me, in july, when we
president obama didn't get to do enough in what he was trying to do with the stimulus. so is your plan basically more-- even more of the obama stimulus? >> well, it's a combination, chris. and let me say that when you inherit the level of economic catastrophe that president obama inherited, it was a real touch-and-go situation. i was in the senate before i became secretary of state. i have never seen people as physically distraught as the bush administration team was because of what was happening to economy. i personally believe that the steps that president obama took saved the economy. he doesn't get the credit he deserves for taking some very hard positions. but it was a terrible recession. so now we've dug ourselves out of it. we're standing, but we're not yet running. so what i am proposing is that
and the ground up. not the top down. that is not going to work. that's why what i have put forward doesn't add a penny to the debt, but it is the kind of approach will that will enable more people to take those new jobs, higher paying jobs-- we're beginning to see some increase in incomes and we certainly have had a long string of increasing jobs. >> let me-- >> we've got to do more to get the whole economy moving and that's what i believe i will be able to do. >> mr. trump,n economists who have looked at your plan say that the numbers don't add up. that your idea-- and you've talked about 25 million jobs created, 4%-- >> over a 10-yr period. >> growth, is unrealistic. and they say-- you talk a lot about growing the energy industry. they say with oil prices as low as they are right now, that's unrealistic as well. your response. >> so, i just left some high representatives of india.
and that for them is a catastrophically low number. we are growing, our last report came out, and it's right around the 1% level.. and i think it's going down. last week, as you know, the end of last week, they came out witt an anemic jobs report, a terrible jobs report. in fact. >> said is that the last jobs report before the election? because if it is, i should win easily. it was so bad. the report was so bad. look, our country is we've lost our jobs. we've lost our businesses. we're not making things anymore, relatively speaking. our product is pouring in from china, pouring in from vietnam, pouring in from all over the world. i visited so many communities, this has been such an incredible education for me, chris. i've gotten to know so many-- i've developed so many friends over the last year. and they cry when they see what's happened. i pass factories that were thriving 20, 25 years ago, and
is just horrible what's happened to these people in these communities. now, she can say that her husband did well, but, boy, did they suffer as nafta kicked in, because it didn't really kick in very much, but it kicked in after they left. boy, did they suffer. that was one of the worst things that's ever been signed by our country. now she wants to sign trans-pacific partnership, and she wants it-- she lied when she said she didn't call it the gold standard? one of the debates. she totally lied. she did standard and they actually fact checked and they said i was right. >> i want to give you a chance to briefly speak to that, and then i want to pivot to one-sixth of the economy, which is obamacare. go ahead, briefly. >> let me say, number one, when i saw the final agreement for t.p.p., i said i was against it. it didn't meet my tests, the same test-- does it raise jobs, raise incomes, and.
who has actually shipped jobs to mexico, because that's donald. he has shipped jobs to 12 countries, including mexico. but he mentioned china. one of the biggest problemses we have with china is the illegal dumping of steel and aluminum into our markets. i have fought against that as a senator, i have stood up against it as secretary of state. donald has bought chinese steel and aluminum. in fact, the trump hotel right here in las vegas was made with chinese steel. so he goes around tears about how terrible it is, but he has given jobs to chiens steel workers not american steel workers. >> mr. trump. >> that's the approach that is not going to work. i'll pull the country together and have trade agreements that we enforce and have a trade prosecutor for the first time in history. and we're going to enforce those agreements. and we're going to look for businesses-- that help us by buying american products. >> i ask a simple question-- she's been doing this for 30
over the last 15, 20 years. >> you know, i voted-- >> you were very much involved. excuse me. my turn. you were very much involved in this aspect of the country. and you do have experience. i say the one thing you have over me is experience but it's bad experience because what you've done has turned out badly. for 30 years you've been it in position to help. if you say i used steel or i used something else, you make it impossible for me to do that. i wouldn't mind. the problem is you talk, but you don't get anything done, you don't. just like when you ran the state department. $6 billion was missing. how do you miss $6 billion. you ran the state department. $6 billion was either stolen-- they don't know-- it's gone. $6 billion. if you become president this country is going to be in some mess, believe me. >> well, first of all, what he just said about the state department is not only untrue.
times. but i think it's really an important issue. he raised the 30 years of experience, so let me just talk briefly about that. you know, back in the 1970s, i worked for the childrens defense fund, and i was taking on discrimination against african american kids in schools. he was getting sued by the justice department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings. in the 1980s, i was working to reform the schools in arkansas. he was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. in the 1990s, i went to beijing and i said women's rights are human rights. he insulted a former misuniverse, alicia machado, called her an eating machine. >> give me a break. >> when when i was in the situation room monitoring the raid that brought osama bin laden to justice, he was hosting "the apprentice." i'm happy to compare my 30 years of experience, trying to help in
kids ask families get ahead and stay ahead, with your 30 years, and i'll let the american people make that decision. >> i think i did a much better job. i built a massive company, a great country, worth many, many billions of dollars. i started with a $1 million alone. i agree with that. it's a $1 million lone, but i built a phenomenal country. and if we could run our country the way i run my company, we would have a co so proud of-- you would even be proud of it. and, frankly, when you look atat her real record, take a look at syria, take a look at the migration, take a look at libya, take a look at iraq. she gave us isis because her and obama created this huge vacuum, and a small group came out of that huge vacuum because-- we should have never been in iraq, but once we were there, we should have never got out the way they wanted to get out. she gave us isis as sure as you are sitting there. and what happened is now isis is
and now i listen how she's going to get rid of isis. she's going to get rid of nobody. >> all right, we are going to get to foreign hot spots in a few moments, but the next segment is fitness to be president of the united states. mr. trump, at the last debate, you said your talk about grabbing women was just that, talk. and that you'd never it wily done it. and since then, as we all know,, nine women have come forward and said that you or kissed them without their consent. why would so many different women from so many different circumstances over so many different years ywould they all in this last couple of weeks make up-- you deny-- why would they make up these stories. and since this is a question for both of you, secretary clinton, mr. trump says what your husband did and that you defended was even worse. mr. trump, you go first. >> first of all, those stories
those people i don't know those people. i have a feeling how they came. i believe it was her campaign that did it. just like if you look at what came out today on the clips, where i was wondering what happened with my rally in chicago and other rallies where we had such violence? she's the one and obama that caused the violence. they hired people. they paid them $1500, and they're on tape saying, "be violent. cause fights. do bad things." i would say the only because those stories are all totally false. i have to say that. and i didn't even apologize to my wife who is sitting right here because i didn't do anything. i didn't know any of these women. i didn't see these women. these women, the woman on the plane, the woman-- i think they want either fame or her campaign did it. and i think it's her campaign. because what i saw, what they did, which is a criminal act, by the way-- where they're telling people to go out and start fist
particular, in chicago, people were hurt, and people could have done killed in that riot. and that was now all on tape, started by her. i believe, chris, that she got these people to step forward. if it wasn't, they get their 10 minute of fame. but they were all totally-- it was all fiction. it was lies. and it was fiction. >> secretary clinton. >> well, at the last debate, we heard donald talking about what he did to and after that, a number of women have come forward saying that's exactly what he did to them. now, what was his response? well, he held a number of big rallies where he said that he could not possibly have done those things to those women because they were not attractive enough for-- >> i did not say that. >> for them to be assaulted. >> i did not say that. >> in fact, he went on to say-- >> her two minutes. sir, her two minutes.
>> it's her two minutes. >> he went on to say, "look at her. i don't think so." about another woman he said, "that wouldn't be my first choice." he attacked the woman reporter writing the story, called her disgusting, as he has called a number of women during this campaign. donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. he goes after their dignity, their self-worth, and i don't think there is a w who doesn't know what that feels like. so we now know what donald thinks and what he says and how he acts towards women. that's who donald is. i think it's really up to all of us to demonstrate who we are and who our country is. and to stand up and be very clear about what we expect from our next president, how we want to bring our country together,
kind of pitting of people one against the other, where instead we celebrate our diversity. we lift people up, and we make our country even greater. america is great because america is good. and it really is up to all of us to make that true now and in the future and particularly for our children and our grandchildren. >> mr. trump >> nobody has more respect for women than i do. nobody-- >> please, everybody. >> and, frankly, the stories have been largely debunked. and i really want to just talk about something slightly different. she mentions this-- can which is all fiction, all fictionalized-- probably or possibly started by her and her very sleazy campaign-- but i will tell you what isn't fictionalized are her
33,000 e-mails criminally, criminally, after getting a subpoena from the united states congress. what happened to the f.b.i.? i don't know. we have a great general, four-star general, today-- you read it in all the papers, going to potentially serve five years in jail for lying to the f.b.i., one lie. she's lied hundreds of times to the people, to congress, and to the-- to the foeb. jail. this is a four-star general. and she gets away with it. and she can run for the presidency of the united states? that's really what you should be talking about. not fiction where somebody wants fame or where they come out of her crooked campaign. >> secretary clinton? >> well, every time donald has pushed on something, which is, obviously, uncomfortable, like
immediately goes to denying responsibility, and it's not just about women. he never apologizes or says he's sorry for anything. so we know what he has said, and what he's done to women, but he also went after a disabled reporter, mocked and mimicked him-- >> wrong. >> on national television. he went after mr. and mrs. khan, the parents of a young man who died serving our country, star family because of their religion. he went after john mccain, a prisoner of war, said he prefers people who aren't captured. he went after a federal judge, born in indiana, but who donald said couldn't be trusted to trite fraud and racketeering case against trump university because his parents were mexican. so it's not one thing. this is a pattern, a pattern of
in many ways dangerous vision of our country where he incites violence, where he applauds people who are pushing and pulling and punching at hiseralez. that is not who america is. and i hope that as we move in the last weeks of this campaign, more and more people will understand what's at stake in this election. it really does come down to what kind of country we are going to have. >> so sad whenhe violence. at my rallies, and she caused the violence. it's on tape. now the other things are false, but honestly, i'd love to talk about getting rid of isis, and i'd love to talk about other things. >> okay. >> but those other charges, as she knows, they are false. >> in this bucket about fitness to be president there's been a lot of developments over the last 10 days sense the last debate. i'd like to ask you about them. these are questions that the american people have.eo secretary clinton, during your
appearance of a conflict of interest with your dealing with the clinton foundation while you were secretary of state. but e-mails show that donors got special access to you. those seeking grants for haiti relief were considered separately from nondonors, and some of those donors got contracts, government contracts, taxpayer money. you can really say that you kept your pledge to that senate committee? and why i what went on between you and the clinton foundation, why isn't it what mr. trump calls "pay to play." >> well, everything i did as secretary of state was in furtherance of our country's interest and our values. the state department has said that. i think that's been proven. but i am happy-- in fact, i am thrilled to talk about the clinton foundation because it was a world-renowned charity, and i am so proud of the work that it does. you know, i could talk for the
but just briefly, the clinton foundation made it possible for 11 million people around the world with h.i.v.-aids to afford treatment, and that's about half of all the people in the world who are getting treatment. in partnership with the american-- >> secretary clinton-- >> health association we have made environments and schools-- >> respectfully, this is an open discussion. >> well, it is an open discussion-- >> i asked a specific question, pay to play. >> well, i think very-- >> let's ask mr. trump. >> there is a lot of evidence-- >> it's been very well studied. >> and it's a criminal enterprise. >> please let mr. trump speak.. >> it's a criminal enterprise. saudi arabia giving $25 million, qatar, all of these countries. you talk about women and women's right. so these are people that push gays off business-- off buildings. these are people that kill women and treat women horribly. and yet you take their money.
money that you've taken from certain countries that treat certain groups of people so horribly? why don't you give back the money? i think it would be a great gesture. >> well-- >> because she takes a tremendous amount of money-- you take a look at the people of haiti. i was in little haiti the other day in florida, and i want to tell you they hate the clintons because what's happened in haiti with the clinton foundation is a disgrace. and you know it, and they know it, and i >> secretary clinton. >> well, very well quickly, we at the clinton foundation spend 90%, 90% of all the money that is donated on behalf programs of people around the world and in our own country. i'm very proud of that. we have the highest rating from the watchdogs that follow foundations. and i'd be happy to compare what we do with the trump foundation which took money from other people and bought a six-foot portrait of donald. i mean, who does that?
but when it comes to hate, haiti is the poorest country in our hemisphere. the earthquake and the hurricanes-- it has devastated haiti. bill and i have been involved in trying to help haiti for many years. the clinton foundation raised $30 million to help haiti after the catastrophic earthquake and all of the terrible problems the people there had. we've done things to help small businesses, agriculture and so much else. and we're going to keep working to help haiti because i's >> they don't want you to help them anymore. >> i want to-- >> i'd like to mention one thing. trump foundation, small foundation. people contribute. i contribute. the money goes 100%, 100% goes to different charities, including a lot of military upon i don't get anything. i won't buy boats, i don't buy planes-- >> wasn't some of the money used to settle your lawsuits, sir? >> no, they put up the american flag.
we put-- we fought for the right in palm beach-- >> there was a penalty imposed by palm beach county and the money came from your foundation. >> there was-- >> in-- >> the money went to fisher house where they build houses-- the money that you're talking about went to fisher house where they build houses under veterans and disabled people. >> i want to get into one last-- >> , of course, there's no way we can know if any of that is true because he hasn't released his tax returns. he is the first president to run for president in the as 40-plus years who has not released his tax returns so anything he says about charity or anything else, we can't prove it. you can look at our tax returns. we've got them all out there. but what is really troubling is that we learned in the last debate, he has not paid a penny in federal income tax. and we were talking about talkit immigrants a few minutes ago, chris. you know, half of all immigrant, undocumented immigrant in our country actually pay federal
paying more federal income tax than a billionaire. i find that astonishing. >> i'll tell you we're entitlede because of the laws people like her passed to take massive amounts of depreciation on charges and we do it. and all of her donors-- i know buffet took hundreds of millions of dollars, soros, george soros, hundreds of millions of dollars igee heard-- >> let me explain. >> most of her donorses-- >> mr. trump-- >> and you know what-- >> folks, we heard. done is you should have changed the law when you were a united states senator. >> folks, we heard this. >> because your donors and special interest are doing the same thing as i do, except even more so. you should have changed the law but you won't change the law because you take in so much money-- i sat in my apartment today on a very beautiful hotel down the street known as trump-- >> made with chinese steel. >> but i will tell you, i sat there, i sat there watching ad
by your friends on wall street that gave so much money because they know you're going to protect them and, frankly, you should have changed the laws. >> mr. trump-- >> if you don't like what i did, you should have changed the laws. >> mr. trump i want to ask you about one last question in this topic. you have been warning at rallies recently that this election is rigged and that hillary clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from you. your running mate, governor pence, pledged on sunday that he and you, his word-- "will absolutely accept the result of of this election." today, your daughter ivanka said the same thing. i want to ask you here on this stage tonight, do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely-- sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election? >> i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look at it at the time. what i've seen-- what i've seen is so bad. first of all, the media is so
the pile-on is so amazing. the "new york times" actually wrote an article about it, they don't even care. it's so dishonest. and they've poisoned the minds of the voters. but unfortunately for them, i think the voters are seeing through it. i think they're going to see through it. we'll find out on november 8, but i think they're going to see through it. >> but, sir-- >> excuse me, chris. if you look at your voter rolls, you will see millions of people that are registered to vote-- millions, this isn't coming from me. this is coming froew people that are registered to vote that shouldn't be registered to vote. so let me just give you one other thing-- so i talk about the corrupt media. i talk about the millions of people. i'll tell you one other thing-- she shouldn't be allowed to run. it's crooked-- she's guilty of a very, very serious crime. she should not be allowed to run. and just in that respect, i say it's rigged.
chris, she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency, based on what she did with e-mails and so many other things. >> but, sir, there is a tradition in this country, in fact one of the prides in this country, is the peaceful transition of power and no matter how hard fought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign, that the loser conseeds to the winner-- not saying that you're necessarily going to be the loser or the winner-- but that the loser conseeds to the winner and that the country comes together in part for the good of the country. are you saying you're not prepared now to commit to that principle. >> i'll tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> chris, let me respond to that because that's horrifying. every time donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he thinks whatever it is is rigged against him. the f.b.i. conducted a yearlong investigation into my e-mails. they concluded there was no case. he said the f.b.i. was rigged.
the wisconsin primary, he said the republican primary was rigged against him. then trump university gets sued for fraud and racketeering, he claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program three years in a row, and he started tweeting that the emmys were rigged. >> should have gotten it. >> this is a mindset. this is how donald thinks. and it's funny, but it's also really troubling. democracy works. we've been around for 240 years. we've had free and fair elections. we've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them. and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election. you know, president obama said the other day, when you're whining before the game is even-- >> ( applause ). >> hold on, folks. >> before the game is even finished, it just shows you're not up to doing the job.
saying and what that means. he is denigrating, he's talking down our democracy. and i for one am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind of position. >> i think what the f.b.i. did and what the department of justice did, including meeting with her husband, the attorney general, in the back of an airplane on the tarmac, in arizona, i think it's disgraceful. i think it's a discase. >> hold on folks this doesn't do any good for anyone. let's please continue the debate and move on to the subject of foreign hot spots. the iraqi offensive to take back mosul has bonn. if they are successful in pushing isis out of that city and out of all of iraq, the question then becomes what happens the day after? and that's something whichever of you-- whoever of you ends up
will you put u.s. troops into that vacuum to make sure that isis doesn't come back or isn't replaced by something even worse? secretary clinton, gufirst in this segment, you have two minute. >> well, i am encouraged that there is an effort led by the iraqi army, supported by kurdish forces and also given the help and advice from the number of special forces and other will not support putting american soldiers into iraq as an occupying force. i don't think that is in our interest, and i don't think that would be smart to do. in fact, chris, i think that would be a big red flag waving for isis to reconstitute itself. the goal here is to take back mosul. it's going to be a hard fight. i've got no illusions about that. and then continue to press into syria to begin to take back and
headquarters. i am hopeful that the hard work that american military adviserss have done will pay off, and that we will see a really successful military operation. but we know we've got lots of work to do. syria will remain a hot bed of terrorism, as long as the civil war, aided and abetted by the iranians and the russians, continues. i have said, look, we need to keep our eye on that's why i want to have an intelligence surge that protects us here at home. why we have to go after them from the air, on the ground, online. why we have to make sure here at home we don't let terrorists buy weapons -- if you're too dangerous to fly, you're too dangerous to buy a gun. and i'm going to continue to push for a no-fly zone and safe havens within syria, not only to help protect the syrians and prevent the constant outflow of refugees but to, frankly, gain
that perhaps we can have the kind of serious negotiation necessary to bring the conflict to an end and go forward on a political track. >> mr. trump, same question, if we are able to push isis out of mosul and out of iraq, would you be willing to put u.s. troops in there to prevent their return or something else? >> let me tell you, mosul is so sad. we had mosul. but when she left, when she t now we're fighting again to get mosul. the problem with mosul, and what they wanted to do is they wanted to get the leaders of isis who they felt were in mosul. about three months ago i started reading that they want to ged the leaders, and they're going to attack mosul. whatever happened to the element of surprise? we announce we're going after mosul. i've been reading about going
been now, hillary, three months. they all left. the element of surprise. douglas mcarthur, george patton spinning in their grades when they see the stupidity of our country. so we're now fighting for mosul that we had. all she had to do was stay there. now we're going in to get it. but you know who the big winner in mosul is going to be after we eventually get it-- and the only reason they did is because she's running for the office of president and they want to look tough. they want to look good. he violated the sand, and he made so many mistakes. made all mistakes. that's why we have the great migration. but she wanted to look good for the election so they're going in. but who's going to get mosul, really? we'll take mosul eventually-- bt the way, if you look at what's happening, much tougher than they thought, much, much tougher, much more dangerous, going to be more deaths than they thought. the leaders we wanted to get are gone because they're smart. they said what do we need this for? so mosul is going to be a
write us a letter of thank you, just like they really stupid, the stupidest deal of all time, a deal that's going to give iran absolutely nuclear weapons. iran should write us yet another letter saying thank you very much. because iran, as i said many years ago, iran is taking over iraq. something they've wanted to do forever. but we've made it so easy for them. so we're now going to take mosul and you know who's going to be the beneficiary? iran boy are the they're outsmarting. look, you're not there. you might be involved in that decision but you were there when you took everybody out of mosul and iraq. you shouldn't have been in iraq but you voted for it. you shouldn't have been in iraq, but once you were in iraq, you should have never-- >> sir, your two minute are up. >> the big winner is going to be iran. >> well, you know, once again donald is implying that he didn't support invasion of iraq. i said of it a mistake.
is-- >> wrong. >> a very clear fact-- >> wrong. >> before the invasion he supported it. and, you know, i just want everybody to go google it. google "donald trump iraq" and you will see the dozens of sources which verify that he was for the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> and you can actually hear the audio of him saying that. now, why does that matter? it matters because he has not told the truth about that position. i guess he believes it makes him looket me because i did vote for it. but what's really important here is to understand all the interplay. mosul is a sunni city. mosul is on the border of syria. and, yes, we do need to go after baghdadi, just like we went after bin laden while you were doing "celebrity apprentice "and we brought him to justice. we need to go after the
them, their fighters, their estimated several thousand fighters in mosul. they've been digging underground. it's going to be tough fighting but i believe we can take back mosul and move on into syria and take back raqqa. this is what we have to do. i'm just amazed that he seems to think the iraqi government and our allies and everybody else launched the attack on mosul to help me this this election, but that's how donald thinks, you know. he's >> we don't gain anything. >> it's-- >> iran is taking over iraq. >> secretary clinton. >> we would have gained-- >> wait, wait. secretary clinton. it's an open discussion. secretary. >> please let mr. trump speak. >> he's unfit and proves it every time he talks. >> no, you are the one that is unfit. wikileaks came out, john podesta
he said some beauties.ie and bernie sanders said you have bad judgment. you do. and if you think going into mosul after we let the world know we're going in, and all of the people that we really wanted, the leaders, they're all gone. if you think that was good, then you do. now, john podesta said you have terrible instincts. bernie sanders said you have bad judgment. i agree with both. >> well, you should ask bernie sanders who he is supporting for president. and he has said-- >> which a big mke >> he has campaigned for me around the country. he said you are the mostt dangerous person to run for president in modern mystery of america. i think he's right. >> let's turn to aleppo. mr. trump, in the last debate, you were both asked about the situation in the syrian city of aleppo. and i want to follow up on that because you said several things in that debate which were not true, sir. you said that aleppo has basically fallen.
>> it's a catastrophe. >> it is a catastrophe. >> it's a mess. >> there are a quarter-- >> have you seen it? have you seen it. >> sir? >> have you seen what happened to aleppo. >> if i may finish my question-- >> it hasn't fallen. >> there are a quarter million people living there and being slaughtered. >> and they are being slaughtered because of bad decisions. >> if i may finish here. and you also said that syria and russia are busy fighting isis. in fact, they have been the ones shelling eastern aleppo, and they just announced a humanitarian pause, in effect, admitting that they have been bombing and shelling aleppo. would you like to clear that up, sir? >> well, aleppo is a disaster. it's a humanitarian nightmare but it has fallen from-- from any standpoint. what do you need? a signed document? take a look at aleppo. it is so sad when you see what's happened. and a lot of this is because of hillary clinton. because what's happened is by
thought, and now she's going to say, "oh, he loves assad." he's just much tougher and much smarter than her and obama. and everyone thought he was gone. two years ago, three years ago. he lined-- he aligned with russia. he now also aligned with iran. who we made very powerful. we gave them $150 billion back. we give them $1.7 billion in cab, i mean cash, bundles of we gave them $1.7 billion. now they have-- he has aligned with russia and with iran. they don't want isis. but they have other things because we're backing-- we're backing rebels. we don't know who the rebels are. we're giving them lot of money, lots of everything. we don't know who the rebels are. and when and and-- and it's not going to happen because you have russia and you have iran now-- but if they ever did overthrow
bad as assad is-- and he's a bad guy-- but you may very well end up with worse than assad. if she did nothing, we'd be in much better shape. and this is what's caused the great migration where she's taken in tens of thousands of syrian refugees who probably in many cases -- not probably-- who are definitely in many cases isis aligned-- and we now have them in our country, and wait till you see-- this is going to be wait until you see what happened in the coming years. lots of luck, hillary. thanks a lot for doing a great job. >> secretary clinton, you have talked about-- in last debate and again today-- that you would impose a no-fly zone to try to protect the people of aleppo and to stop the killing there. president obama has refused to do that because he fears it's going to draw us closer or deeper into the conflict. expnl joseph funford, the
no-fly zone, chances are you will get into a war, his word, with syria and russia. the question i have if you impose a no-fly zone-- first of all, how do you respond to their concerns-- secondly, if you impose a no-fly zone and a russian plane violates that, does president clinton shoot that plane now? >> chris, first of all, i think the no-flow zone could save lives and hasten the end of the conflict. ce you have expressed from the president and the general. this would not be done on the first day. it would tack a lot of negotiations and take making it clear to the russians and syrians that our purpose here was to provide safe zones on the ground. we've had millions of people leave syria. and those medicine of people inside syria who have been dislocated. so i think we could strike a deal and make it very clear to the russians and the syrians that this was something that we
interests of the people on the ground in syria. it would help us with our fight against isis. but i want to respond to what donald said about refugees. he's made these claims repeated. i am not going to let anyone into this country who is not vetted, who we do not have confidence in. but i am not going to slament door on women and children. that picture of that little four-year-old boy in aleppo with the blood coming down his face while he sat in an ambulance is haunting. and so we ar careful, thorough vetting. that does not solve our inthernl challenges with isis. and our need to stop radicalization to work withwi american muslim communities who are on the front lines to identify and prevent attacks. in fact, the killer of the dozens of people at the nightclub in orlando, the pulse nightclub, was born in queens, the same place donald was born.
threat is, and how we are best going to bably to meet it. and, yes, some of that threat emanates from over in syria and iraq. and we've got to keep fighting and i will defeat isis. and movie it is we have to up our game and be much smarter here at home. >> folks, i want to get into our final segment. >> but i just have to it's so ridiculous-- she will defeat isis. we should have never let isis happen in the first place, and right now they're in 32 countries. >> okay-- >> wait one they had a cease-fire three weeks ago, a cease-fire, unitede states, russia, syria. and during the cease-fire, russia took over vast swatches of land, and then they said, "we don't want the cease-fire anymore." we are so out-played on missiles, on cease-fires, they are outplayed. now, she wasn't there. i assume she had nothing to do with it. but our country is so outplayed by putin and assad. >> okay. >> and by the way, and by iran.
>> mr. trump secretary clinton-- we need to move on to our final segment, and that is not national debt which hat not been discussed until tonight. our national debt, is 77 pthe highest since just after world war ii. but the nonpartisan committee for a responsible federal budget says, secretary clinton, under your plan, debt would rise to 86% of g.d.p., over the next 10 years. mr. trump, under your plan, they say it would rise to 105% of g.d.p. over the next 10 years. the question is why are both of you ignoring this problem? mr. trump, you go first. >> well, i say they're wrong because i'm going to create tremendous jobs, and we're brenging g.d.p. from really 1%, which is what it is now-- and if she got in-- it will be less than zero. we're bringing it from 1% to 4%
i think you can 5% or 6%. if we co, you don't have to bother asking your question. we will have created a tremendous machine. we will have created a tremendous economic machine again. to do that, we're taking back jobs. we're not going to let our companies be raided by other country where's we lose jobs, don't make our product. anymore. it's very sad. but i'm going to create a-- the kind of a country that we were from the standpoint of industry. we used to be we've become very, very sloppy. we've had people that are political hacks making the biggest deals in the world-- bigger than companies. you take these big companies, these trade deals are far bigger than these companies -- we don't use our great leaders many who back me and many of whom back hillary, i must say. we don't use those people. these are the greatest negotiators in the world. we have the greatest business people in the world. we have to use them to moash our
we use people that get position because they made a campaign contribution, and they're dealing with china and people that are very much smarter than they are. so we have to use our great people. but that being said, we will create an economic machine the likes of which we haven't seen in many decades. and people, chris, will again go back to work and they'll make a lot of money, and we'll havev companies that will grow and expand and start from n >> well, first, when i hear-- when i hear donald talk like that and know that his slogan is, "make america great again," i wonder when he thought america was great. and before he rushes and says before you and president obama were there, i think it's important to roadside that he has been criticizing our government for decades.
times" during the time when president reagan was president, and basically said exactly what he just said now, that we were the laughing stock of the world. he was criticizing president reagan. this is the way donald thinks about himself, put himself into, you know, the middle and says, "i alone can fix it, "as he said on the convention stage. but if you look at the debt, which is the issue you asked about, chris, everything i'm proposing. i do not add a penny to the national debt. i take that very seriously. because i do think it's one of the issues we've got to come to grips with. so when i talk about how we're going to pay for education, how we're going to invest in infrastructure, how we're going to get the cost of prescription drugs down and a lot of the other issues that people talk to me about all the time, i've made it very clear, we are going
fair share. and there is no evidence whatsoever that, that will slow down or diminish our growth. in fact, i think just the opposite. we'll have what economists call middle-out growth. we've got to get back to rebuilding the middle class. the families of america. that's where dproact will come from. that's why i want to invest in you upon. ent to invest in your family. and i think that's the smartest way to grow the economy, to make the economy fairer, and we just have a this. it may be because of our experiences. you know, he started off with his dad as a millionaire-- >> could i. we've heard this before, hillary. >> my father was a small-business man. i think it affects how we see the world and what we want to do with the economy. >> time. >> could i just respond? >> no, because we're running out of time gee, i disagreed with with ronald reagan on trade. we should have been much
nobody does it right. now we're going to do it right. >> the one last area i want to get into you in the debate is the biggest driver of our debt is entitlements which is 60% of the spending. the committee for responsible federal budget has looked at both of your plans and says neither of you has a serious plan that will solve the fact that medicare is going it run out of money in the 2020s. social security is going to run out of money in the 2030s. and at that going to take huge cut in their benefits. in effect, the final question i want to ask you in this regard is-- and let me start with you, mr. trump-- would president trump make a deal to save medicare and social security that included both tax increases and benefit cuts, in effect, a grand bargain on entitlements? >> i'm cutting taxes. we're going to grow the economy. it's going to grow at a record rate-- >> that's not going to help on
one thing we have to do is repeal and replace the disaster known as obamad care. it's destroying our country. it's destroying our businesses. our small business and big businesses. we have to repeal and replace obamad care. you take a look at the kind of numbers that will cost us in the year 17. it is a disaster if we don't repeal and replace. it's probably going to die of the own weight. but obamad care has to go. 70, 80%. and i'm really glad the premiums have started because the people see whose happening. she wantses to keep obamacare, and she wants to make it even worse and it can't get any worse. bad health care at the most expensive price. we have to repeal and replace obamad care. >> and secretary clinton, same question, because at this point, social security and medicare are going to run out. the trust funds are going to run out of money. you will, as president, will you
that includes both tax increases and benefit cuts to try to save both programs? >> well, chris, i am on record as saying we need to put more money into the social security trust fund. that's part of my commitment to raise taxes on the wealthy. my social security payroll contribution will go up, as will donald's-- assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. >> such a nasty sufficient resources. and that will come from either raising the cap and/or finding other ways to get more money into it. i will not cut benefits. i want to enhance benefits for low-income workers and for women who have been disadvantaged by the current social security system. but what donald is proposing with these mass ivta ivive tax s
national debt. that will have desire consequences for social security and medicare. i'll say something about the affordable care act which he wants to repeal. the affordable care act extended the solvency of the medicare trust fund. so if he repeels it, our medicare problem gets worse. >> your husband disagrees with you. >> we have to go after long-term health care drivers, get costs down, emphasize wellness. i have a plan for doing that, and i think we will be able to control with more resources and smarter decisions. >> this is the final time, probably to both of your arthritis, that you'll be on the stage together in this campaign. i would like to end it on a positive note. you had not agreed to closing statements. but it seems to me in a funny way that might make it more interesting because you haven't prepared closing sames. we're going to put a clock up. i'd like you take a minute and
they should elect you to be the next president. this is another minisegment. secretary clinton, you go first. >> i would like to say to everyone watching tonight that i'm reaching out to all americans-- democrats, republicans, and independents. because we need everybody to help make our country what it should be. to grow the economy, to make it fairer, to make it work for everyone. we need your talents, your skills, your commitment, your energy, your ambition. you know, i've been privileged to see and i know the awesome responsibility of protecting our country and the incredible opportunity of working to try to make life better for all of you. i have made the cause of children and families really my life's work. that's what my mission will be in the presidency. i will stand up for families against powerful interests against corporations. i will do everything that i can to make sure that you have good
from preschool through challenge. i hope you will give me a chance to serve as your president. >> secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump. >> she's raising the money from the people she wants to control. doesn't work that way. when i started this campaign, i started is very strongly. it's called "make america great again." we're going to make america great. we have a depleted military. it has to be helped. it has to be fixed. we have the the greatest people we don't take care of our veterans. we take care of people in the country illegally better than our vet. that can't happen. our policemen are disrespected. we need law and order but we need justice, too. our inner cities are a disaster. you get shot walking t walking e store. they have no education. they have no jobs. i will do more for latin americans and latinos than she can ever do in 10 lifetimes. all she's done it talk to the
latinos. but they get the vote and come back and say, "we'll see you in fours yearment of we are going make america strong again and we are going to make america great again. it has to start now. we cannot take four more years of barack obama and that's what you get when you get her. >> thank you, both. secretary clinton-- hold on just a moment, folks. secretary clinton, mr. trump, i want to thank you both for participating in all three of these debates. that brings to an year's debates. we want to thank the university of nevada, las vegas, and the students for having us. now the decision is up to you. while millions have already voted, election day, november 8, is just 20 days away. one thing everyone here can agree on, we hope you will go vote. it is one of the honors and obligations of living in this great country. thank you.
( applause ) >> and we witnessed one of most substantive, i think, debates to deet, this third and final debate, where there was talk about who's a puppet for putin. >> yeah, they're shake hands with chris wallace, but will they shake hands with each other? when they first came out, they, of course, walked to their podiums and did not interact with each other. it does not look like they will shake hands with each other, either. >> john dickerson i think one of the pivotal moments debate was if donald trump would accept the results. >> coming after his daughter, ivanka, this morning said he would accept the results. >> and mike pence said on "face the nation" saying we would accept the ruts. there is a difference between accepting the results and no longer saying the election is rigged. you're inciting your supporters to watch out for where it might be rigged and it's intimidating to those worried about being watched at the polling place because there will be people out
but the central question here for donald trump's candidacy has always been he's a change candidate and he's disrupting, and that's fantastic because there are a lot of people who want the system to get a punch in the nose and he is punching the system in the nose. but change can go too far. and when you question something that is the pillar of american democracy-- which is the peaceful transfer of power-- and you do it perhaps for your own ends, that's going past just punching the system in nose. that's punching the actual kicking its legs out from under it. and that's what worries people about this talk, well, the election, with no real proof what there's illegitimateacy, there may be shenanigans, but that's different than the actual vote being illegitimate, that's what worries people. >> and hillary clinton turned it into a character issue. she said this is horrifying and said every time donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he blames things
mentioned the apprentice not winning an election. >> this is not just about the specific election. this is habit of mind for him. so she's trying to raise questions and she tried this, also, with his attacks on the women accusers, saying that this is a broader habit of his. and, you know, he is, again, the change candidate. but as jeb bush used to say, jeb bush used to call him the chaos candidate. and that question for voters between change and chaos is the question of the trump candidacy. strong-- he said i'll let you know, i haven't decided yet. she said it's denigrating and taking down our democracy. and i liked, too, norah, you pointed out, that this was absolutely horrifying. there was an audible gasp in the room when he made that comment. >> let's turn to russia. it appeared to me hillary many times came ready with you could call them canned lines or punches she wanted to land and you could see it and one was on
that is because he'd rather have a puppet. >> that was name calling and he said, "you're the puppet." the central question is whether donald trump takes on board the evaluation of the u.s. intelligence, the folks who have been briefing him as well, and whether he believes that russia is involved or kind of rushes to russia's side, and again he was being super reluctant to say anything negative about russia, which is just quizzical. it's confusing. >> is there are 17 different intelligence agencies that have blamed russia for these hacks and he wasn't willing to go that far. >> not at all. he was basically saying we can have a good relationship with russia, and her argument, again, is that there is some strange reason that he is off a russiasi supporter. of course he pushed it back on her saying putin had played her and she was ineffective as secretary of state that russia
vladimir putin. i have never met putin, but if the united states and russia can get along and take out isis, what's wrong with that? >> we should mention that marco rubio said nobody should be trying to take advantage of these wikileaks hacks, that this is in fact taking advantage of something the russians are trying to do to destabilize the government. he called on donald trump not to take advantage of them. donald trump is taking plenty good advantage of what's in those because they give you a window into the clinton campaign. >> let's see whom voters thought about the debate? as we mentioned, republican pollster frank luntz is with a group of voters here in las vegas. they all watched the debate. frank has their reaction. frank, what are they saying? >> i want to follow up on what you guys talked about. how many of you guys had a problem with donald trump saying he would not affirm the election results. raise your hands. our group of arguing over it. what's the issue? why do you have a problem? >> i think because our country is built on a fair election and when the results come in, yet,
fraud sometimes, but we have to trust that it's working the way it should and the results stand. >> what did what trump said bother you? >> will inspire disconnection from a lot of the population of the political process. >> there will be more partisanship. it will make it worse. the divide will be worse. john kasich today said believine that is the same thing as believing we didn't land on the moon. >> the american way is whoever wins is the winner, the legitimate president. you don't ides the winner. you don't legitimize the president. we have to standte president. >> did that actually affect how you evaluated trump's performance today, yes or no. >> absolutely. >> it did, tell me why? >> because once again, he doesn't understand our process. they said what was it 44 times we have had this clean adjustment to the new president. >> if our process is broken, why would you just accept it blindly? i'm not saying he shouldn't accept the results, but to promise ahead of time, to say,
knowing what's going to happen. i don't think anybody would do that about anything that is serious. >> you're a group of 26 uncommitted voters. when you walked in here, nine of you leaned towards trump, eight of you leaned towards clinton, and none of you were truly undecided. did it move any of you today? how did you move? >> i went from trump to clinton. because clinton proved to be more of an adult. trump is more of child. clinton was more the adult. she went toe to toe, head to head. she did just as well, but actually, i think she did better than trump. >> who else moved? how did you move? >> i'm more entrenched with hillary. >> i thought she was soiled, held her own. she was presidential. and trump, while he actually did pretty good in the debate all in all, he just doesn't have it. >> how did you move? >> from undiswiesive to trump. >> tell me why. >> it seems like trump really has the issues.
know, with obama, they've been there long enough. and not enough has gotten better over that period of time. so in essence, he's saying you didn't do anything. so he-- i'll give a guy a shot that's going to do something. >> are you satisfied with the candidates now, yes or no? >> not 100%. >> yes or no? >> >> no. >> you're still not satisfied. what the heck do you want? come on. >> the truth. >> the truth. you don't think you got the truth today? >> no. >> why not? >> not from hillary, that's for re >> she lied about clinton foundation. in haiti, she brought up hate net debate just tonight. there was an earthquake in 2010. they raised a lot of money for that. did hate get any help for that? no. >> are any of you not going to vote, based on what you've seen tonight and through the campaign are any of you? you're all regular voters. are any of you not going to vote? so you're all going to participate. are any of you still undecided. oh, come on. what do you want? what do you want? >> i'm looking for a candidate,
that. i know i'm not going to get that. >> what do you want? she can't answer. >> i need to do some soul-searching. >> i really want to know-- i feel like-- >> you're not getting more debates. >> i know, but when i watched-- you know what? they're just not giving me. i want somebody else and i'm not going to get it. >> you're going to have 2%, 3% that will still not make up their mind and some are right here in las vegas, nevada. i asked who won the debate and an even number said clinton and trump. it's all haven't made up their mind. back to you. >> all right, frank, very interesting to hear from voters. we have a lot more ahead. we're going to hear from nancy cordes, we're going to hear from major garrett, and we'll hear from bob schieffer. cbs news coverage of the final presidential debate of 2016 will continue in a moment. >> i want to build a wall. we ed not wall. the border patrol, ice, they all want the wall. but we have some bad hombare, es
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tell my kids that i did the right thing when it really mattered. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. in the room tonight was when bill clint s more respect for clinton than i do," that got a big reaction. and hillary clinton had plenty to say in response to that. let's take a spin to spin alley. nancy cordes is there and covers the clinton campaign. >> the clinton aides i've been speaking to say there were two key moment ms. this debate from their perspective. the first was when donald trump refused to say whether he would accept the outcome of this election. and the second was when he inexplicably refused to accept
intelligence community that russia is behind these recent hackings. they say, taken together, these to moments show he's unfit to be president and that he puts himself in front of the country. beyond that, they say, the beaut fretheir perspective is that republicans will be condemning him for both of those comments tomorrow. and in fact, it's already begun. jeff flake, a senator from arizona, a red state, which is suddenly a contested statete ee saying he moit not accept the election results is beyond the pale." the toughest moment for hillary clinton in this republicans will say was in the debate tonight when she was asked about the clinton foundation and whether donors got special access to her state department, something that has pretty clearly been demonstrated to be the case. she very quickly said that there's no proof of that and 55 ted to talking about all of the great things the clinton
say it looked like she was duck the question. >> all right, nancy cordes there. major garrett, you've been covering the trump campaign. what have you learned tonight. >> the trump campaign has already begun to marshal a defense about this growing consensus that trump would not accept the election, which is what he said, but they're pushing back to say he only meant sight unseen, that he's leaving open the option of reviewing the results and the underlying efficacy of the election itself, not saying he wouldn't accept a result that was valid.d. that's the trump campaign and they know because this has been the subject of tremendous internal conversation within the trump campaign, where to place him on this question. what they said is trump has moved from where he was a couple of days ago saying the entire thing is being rigged and rigged right now to saying i'll evaluate it when i see it. from the trump campaign it's viewed as positive. it may not be viewed by other republicans or the public at large but in the trump world
that's defensible and in line with presidential history. >> bob schieffer, the trump campaign may be trying to litigate it all they want, to but i thought trump was pretty clear. he said i'm going to keep the suspense up whether i'll accept the results of this election. >> and this is very, very unusual. i mean, it raises the question what will he do if he doesn't accept the results? i mean, i assume he's talking about filing a lawsuit or something. surely, he's not thinking about what is he talking about here? this is not the way we do it in the united states of america. and there's no other way that you can say it. it is-- it's dangerous to be talking that way because it threatens and raises questions about the very foundations of what this nation is about. we have peaceful transferes of power in this country.
way, i mean, what is he talking about? >> how about the spin his campaign is putting out now, bob, back to your point, norah, it seemed he was making a very clear statement, and already they're putting another spin on it. >> well, you've got to say something. >> because, this goes to temperament, which has always been the big question for donald trump. ask does he, and he gets in a pinch or things aren't going his way, what is his habit? how does he respond? and that this goes right to that questions that have been raised about his candidacy all along. >> we're going to talk about the supreme court questions as well, but quickly on the topic of women, because chris wallace, who did an excellent job, said these nine women came out and said you groped them. how could all of them, in his words, be making up this story? >> he blamed it on hillary clinton bringing them out. hillary clinton, pivoted and didn't answer the question, and she didn't answer the question about her husband.
she did this twice where she took an individual incident and said this is a pattern of his. he went after a disabled reporter. he went after a judge for his mexican heritage, and this is a pattern, again channeling back to that temperament point. >> he blamed the clinton campaign, norah, but he also said all of those women have been debunked which is not the case. >> and he by the way said he didn't talk about her appearance which he also in fact did. >> i think one of the stronger lish for tonight, was, "donald think belittling women makes himak bigger." >> homeland that thought, bob. we have to take a break. we'll return and talk to bob schieffer and cbs news coverage of the final presidential debate will continue right after these
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good evening, i'm dion lim. good evening, i'm dion lim. and i'm reginald roundtree. a felon with a long rap sheet is off the streets right now... sitting in a jail cell.. where he will likely stay for a very long time. david ross' crimes-- dates back more than 2 decades-- and includes forgery, battery on a law enforcement officer-- theft and domestic violence. ross escaped from a work detail near mosaic park in bartow... before he was finally spotted by law enforcement in pinellas county off 54th avenue north. 10news reporter
reaction from neighbors who found themselves caught in the middle of a massive manhunt. 00-08 coral way . marcia fisher caught in the middle of a manhunt. 42-year-old david ross, the state prisoner escaped work detail. he used a sharp object. he handcuffed the supervisor to a work truck and drove away. deputies stopped the vehicle. ross trying to escape on foot before being taken down. >> it took them a while. there were 5 of them. he held still. they cuffed him.