donald trump was impeached over this insurrection. it was far less known than, and much of that focus, particularly in the senate trial, wasn't whether he incited violence, largely through a speech. today's evidence seems to go to a different direction, and really raise the legal question of what, whether he acted in furtherance of violence, admitting people who were armed, they're showing orders that were possibly illegal, trying to go to the capitol. and thus, we're not talking about a speech anymore. we're talking about whether he supported violence through action. is that you're reading of today's evidence and does that have legal and criminal implications for donald trump? >> well, i'll start just piling the foundation again that you know, we are not the ones who make criminal determination, or press charges. those things lie within the department of justice. but without investigation within congress, with the legislative purpose, and oversight purpose and laying out all these facts, it's clear evidence that can be applied for th

it is what donald trump wanted. it is why he went for the word of the day, is clavicle, that's why he went for the clavicle, the throat of an agent who risked his own life for trump, over who was gonna bring guns to the capitol. and that's why it's so bad, legally, for criminal culpability for trump. >> i want to say, lawrence made an excellent point, moments ago, when we were talking about trump insisting it was okay that the people were armed, that they were armed, and that they were not going to hurt him. lawrence, i just want to invite you on tv, and not just at the commercial break, to make the point you made, about what sort of talking point that kills for these guys. >> certainly, this thing they tried for a while, and do still to some extent, was it antifa. there are people who still say that. donald trump has said, conclusively, i knew they were antifa. i know there were all my friends, and they're going to take care of it. >> by the way, he, also, has a pre-existing history with the proud boys. i think thi

i would make it the centerpiece of a prosecution of donald trump. that was after trump was advised that the crowd was armed with rifles and handguns and knives and brass knuckles, he said, i don't care. take down the f'ing metal detectors because they're not here to hurt me. in courtrooms around the country every day, joy, jurors are told that they can infer what that means. it obviously means donald trump believed they weren't there to hurt him, but what can we infer from that? that he believed they were there to hurt the people at the capitol who were certifying the win of his opponent. and he wanted to lead the armed insurrection. he went so far as to assault his own limo driver to try to force him down to the capitol so he could lead the armed insurrection. that is some marquee incriminating evidence. >> and charles, you have his chief of staff, who look, if you want to know anything about a president, the person who knows the most is the chief of staff. he seems to be the marquee person that would know all the crimes that were committed because

the problem for donald trump, he's not talking about self-defense. he says the weapons will be used against other politicians. the target is someone else. the target removes the defense of self-defense if you're using weapons to target people. >> i mean, look, i think that donald trump frequently uses his narcissism towards reality as an alibi to say, of course, i just wanted more people in the crowd. i just -- i didn't want to say bad things about my supporters. kind of the problem with establishing a corrupt state of mind with donald trump is his connection to reality has always been called into question. i think that's clear here is he knew exactly what they intended to do, and he encouraged them, knowing that they were armed he encouraged them to march on the capitol any way, and at every stage -- as we heard from this witness that when she tried to say, they're about to breach the gates. they're about to overrun the building, mark meadows basically replied to her, the president thinks they're doing the right thing. >> mm-hmm. pff. yeah. they're

it is clear, with her firsthand account, that donald trump was at the center. he was integral to this conspiracy of sedition and coup plotting. and also, her accounts of trump's toddler-like temper tantrums in the white house, throwing plates of food and pulling table cloths, and then his violent outrages against the secret service, those individuals who are supposed to protect him, i do think that, again, as has been said, these are republicans. these are loyal members of the former administration who were disgusted, to use cassidy's own words, as what they were seeing donald trump do in order to try to perpetuate his stay in the white house. and so, therefore, i think that, you know, all the republicans in congress, as well as those white house officials who have refused to cooperate, should be ashamed of themselves, as a 25-year-old civil servant, who was trying to do her best in a white house that was obviously in chaos and tumult and i think what was the most surprising thing for me was the utter incompetence and dereliction of duty of mark meadows. the ch

as you will see donald trump was not speaking metaphorically. as we heard earlier, rudy giuliani told ms. hutchinson that donald trump plans to go to the capitol on january 6th. explain some of the terminology that you will hear today. we heard you use two different terms to describe the plans for the president's movement, the capitol, or anywhere else. one of those is a scheduled movement and another is otr. can you describe for what those are. >> a scheduled presidential movement is on his official schedule. it's notified to press and a wide range of staff. known to the public and the secret was a and they can coordinate the movement days in advance. off the record is confined to the knowledge of a very small group of advisors and staff. usually a small group of staff would travel with him. mostly that are included in the national security package. you can pull it together in less than an hour if is a way to circumvent having to release it to the press, if that's the goal, or to not have to have as many security parameters in place to make the

and quite frankly, she doesn't necessarily have the ties that bind meadows to people like donald trump and others in the highest echelons of the trump orbit. this is someone who, in a lot of these meetings, maybe because she was a lower level staffer, people may not have been paying attention, but she was privy to, and reaching out to and enacting the strategy of the white house. those are things that we already know. the thing that i'm really looking at is, as the committee has done other fact finding, likes like that documentary footage they got, how and if this testimony from cassidy hutchison works or doesn't in any way that they have gotten from the documentary filmmaker. how those new pieces fit together. >> you make a good point about anybody young and in a room with powerful people knows what it's like to feel like wallpaper. so a number of republicans have come out and denied her testimony, or at least said she was mistaken. specifically some of the ones who said she said were seeking pardons. can they just dismiss her as someone who misunderstood what was going on? >> cassidy

during that time, there were reports that we may actually here testimony that donald trump was cheering on the rioters and perhaps get some testimony regarding mike pence and the hanging of mike pence and whether that was something that donald trump actually supported. >> that is right, joe. i think you and each of your guests thus far here at the top of hour are emphasizing there is an open question about what exactly is so urgent here. certainly at this moment it is not clear why this witness who has been on tape with these depositions would be so urgent. having said all of that, yes, she was definitely in the room where it happened. we know from those videotaped depositions that she had good what we call primary information. not secondhand but her being there and at the meeting in the doorway to the meeting and people walk in and out of the meetings so they could get state of mind and information and, yes, maybe she has testimony about encouraging and extorting some of that alleged violence. >> john eastman, lawyer and ally of former trump, that is a name we've heard a lot of around

donald trump had three. it's the trick of legislation as well. but it's branch that is less and less sort of connected to the working public. >> james froze. okay. we'll try to get him back. >> we'll get him back. when he comes back, we would love to talk about his idea. he actually has an idea to reform the court to try to take out some of, well, some of the setups that actually make it as partisan as it has, mika. and so that's -- hopefully we'll get james back. >> ken dilanian spoke with various legal experts who predict the supreme court's decision on abortion is likely to set off a wave of legal and political disputes among the states and federal government, unlike anything we have seen perhaps since the days of the civil war. those legal experts point out that with some states allowing private lawsuits against out-of-state abortion providers and other states prohibiting cooperation with abortion investigations, the issue is likely to pit state law enforcement agencies and court systems against one another in dramatic fashion in this scenari

and you know, i don't know that it's security in the sense that we're worried about donald trump and his minions attacking this person, or if it is simply security from the same kind of people who answered the call that stormed the capitol on january 6th. so witness security is certainly one. but also just witness integrity. that you maybe are concerned about someone getting to him, about, or her, about trying to tamper with the witness or even intimidate the witness. that is a possibility this. committee has also seen very close hold, worried about leak, not wanting for example to share the transcripts with the justice department until they're done with them, that they want to maximize the impact of a disclosure and so perhaps some worry about someone stealing their thunder, if too much time passes before this witness testifies publicly. >> let me ask you about one other aspect of this. and this may be just a, this seems like in one sense like a point, but maybe it is important to understand the scale of what is happening here and people's potential legal jeopardy but nbc news has l

that was the justification for the religious rights deal with donald trump. trump was very obviously, not a religious man. he had previously been quiet outspoken about being publicly per choice pro-choice. not to mention the many, many allegations of sexual misconduct against him. just listen to him attempt to cite scripture at the religious university liberty, with the now infamous to corinthians gaffe. >> i hear this is a major theme right here, but to corinthians, right? two corinthians, 3:17, that's the whole ball game. we are the spirit of the lord, right? where the spirit of the lord is, there is a liberty. and here, there is a liberty college, liberty university, but it is so true. you know, when you think, and that's really, it's that the one you like? i think that's the one you like, because i loved it. >> is that the one you like? it's second, but none of that mattered obviously. evangelicals, conservative catholics, established republicans, like mitch mcconnell, they all supported trump's. they all still near garland seat on the supreme court. they

certainly, donald trump's, you know, coconspirators of his jeffrey clark, john eastman, and the like. so, the committee is starting to circle. the justice department is starting to circle. >> katie, what more do we know about the eastman phone seizure, if anything? as well as this raid on jeffrey clark's home, how could this all factor into the justice department's criminal investigation of january 6th? >> as my colleagues reported, this actually seems more directly related to the inspector general's investigation of what happened at the justice department in the final days of the trump administration. so, we reported, i think the new york times first reported the very first story about jeffrey clark, in the fight over who would run the justice department, in order to -- with a plan to overturn the election. and the thought to take over. i believe that story around right on january 23rd, right after inauguration of 2021. and the justice department inspector general came up with a statement just a day or two later, saying that the ig is initiating an investigation into whether any form

who is the former justice department official, who was also conspiring with donald trump to overturn the presidential election. one of the emails that federal agents already know they will find on john eastman's phone, has been made public by the january 6th committee. it's an email from john eastman to rudy giuliani, saying, quote, i've decided that i should be on the pardon list, if that is still in the works. this time, tomorrow night, we will be discussing what is likely to be a dramatic hearing which the january six committee suddenly scheduled just today. for tomorrow at 1 pm with the hearing notice that the committee will, quote, present recently obtained evidence and received witness testimony. joining our discussion, now andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel, and former chief of the criminal this division in the eastern district of new york. he's a professor of practice at nyu law school. also with us ken dilanian, and nbc news national security correspondent. andrew weissmann, your reading of what we've learned about the eastman iphone. >> so, it's quite interesting.

i don't know that its security in the sense that we're worried about donald trump and his minions attacking this person. or it's simply security from the same kinds of people who answer the calls to storm the capitol on january six. witness security is certainly one, but witness integrity that your may be concerned about someone getting to him or her, about trying to tamper with the witness, or even intimidate the witness. that is a possibility. this communities also seen very close hold on, worried about leaks, not wanting for example to share the transcripts with the justice department, until they're down with them, that they want to maximize the impact of a disclosure. perhaps they worry about someone stealing their thunder if too much time passes before this witness testifies publicly. >> barbara, let me ask you about one other aspect of this, and this may just be, it seems like in one sense like a picking point, but maybe it's important tons of us understanding the scale what's happening and, peoples potential legal generally. and d. c. news just learned, that when jeffrey clark trump

the lawyer who comes by was donald trump to try to overturn the outcome of the presidential election. we know the fbi seized his phone because john eastman filed a lawsuit today. trying to get the phone back. if the agents approached john eastman as he was leaving a restaurant in new mexico. he spun was swerved with a search warrant for his phone. on the same day, that the fbi also sees the photo of jeffrey clark. the former justice department official who was also conspiring with donald trump to overturn the presidential election. one of the emails that know they would find on john eastman phone has been made public on the committee to rudy giuliani that it should be thought on the pardon list. be discussing what is likely to be a dramatic karen went to ten or six committee. suddenly schedule just today. for tomorrow at 1 pm with the hearing notice that the committee will, quote, present recently obtained evidence and received witness testimony. joining me now, andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal district of new york. he's a professor of prac

this time it is one of the donald trump's most controversial lawyers and aides ever and, that's saying something, john eastman. congress also now announcing a new january 6th hearing for tomorrow. you may be thinking, wait, did i forget? was there another hearing coming? no, this was not on the schedule. we're only gathering new information from our sources in the way we're dealing with the committee to learn why they're holding this tomorrow. we'll have an update on that and eastman facing this heavy escalation in the probe later tonight. >>> our continuing story, shock waves follow bid marchs of thousands. what you see here has been animating so many people in so many places, reacting to the supreme court, which, now stocked with three trump appointees has reversed 50 years of law to the right to constitutional choice in america. by every available measure we have had up until friday and over the weekend, americans oppose exactly this kind of moif. it has been poled for some time. they strongly oppose it now that it has become reality. activists, opposition materializing well beyond

donald j. trump. how do you -- that's sick. that's like a dog running back to an owner who kicks it. how do you fix those people? >> boy, the rusty bower situation, i don't know him personally, but i thought that was very telling and revealing and same for chris christie. a lot of these folks. bill barr. and i think that the people that are responsible to voters, right now, they are in league -- the mob is in charge of them. they are not in charge of the mob any longer, and i don't know how you shake them free, except for getting them out of the political game entirely. i think the better question is, how can we get to the voters, the people around them, the people that might work for another trump administration, and convince them next time to not get into the game in the first place. because i think that right now, as we've seen, after six years, if you're looking at this book for an answer as to how we can shake people free from being completely -- to completely submitting to the maga mob, i don't have the answer on that one

the operating thesis here, their conclusion is that donald trump knew he lost the election, he used a mixture of lies and pressure on state officials, on justice department officials to overturn that result, and they're going to try to present as vivid a picture as possible about what he did and didn't do. this is their conclusion based on what they believe they have gathered. and the closing argument is that trump knew what was going on and he purposefully used deception and marshalled this mob to stay in power. >> thank you all for being here. >>> a lot more ahead. new reporting on how the white house plans to expand abortion access this week. and later on, the legal battle in utah to block the state's trigger ban. and plus new reaction to today's decision from the supreme court ruling a high school football coach did have a right to pray on the 50 yard line. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. (grandmother) thank you for taking me home. it's so far. (young woman) don't worry about it, grandma! this'll be fun. (young woman) two chocolate milkshakes, please. (grandmother) make

something about donald trump's knowledge. i suppose direct evidence tieing donald trump to the insurrection. they have shown he tried to interfere with the election results but not to the violence on january 6th. something there could trigger that. or maybe they've gotten cooperation from mark meadows or dan scavino or peter navarro, one of these people who refused to testify. maybe someone there has seen the light. >> yeah. adrian, you've worked inside campaigns. you know how a lot of these kinds of conversations can develop. the decision to do this exactly to the hour just 24 hours before they decided to do this gives you as clear an indication as you can get that in their minds, this was very clearly, this is something they have to get on and get it on immediately. >> yeah. that's exactly right, chris. i'm speculating just like barbara and matthew are, but my thought is perhaps because of the compelling testimony from some of the republicans last week, republicans who were on the front line of defense in some key states li

and you and i, joe, have known donald trump. no one that knew donald trump, whether we liked him or not and i never really trusted him, but no one felt he really was pro-life, that he was always pro-choice. in social settings and all of that. he was just playing a role with the christian right and the far right to get their votes and get their base to get elected. now he's like, wait a minute, don't really do this, because he understands better than anybody that is going to hurt them. and he's not immoral, he's amoral. he does what he thinks will win and he knows this is not a winner for them. the republicans seemingly had a steam roller for the midterm elections. that is been slowed down by this decision and donald trump knows that. >> well joining us now, co-founder and ceo of the group all in together, lauren leader. also with us university of california davis law professor mary ziegler, the author of dollars for life, the anti-abortion movement and the fall of the republican establishment. it is really good to have you both.

you know, let's also talk about donald trump and whether we should have been paying attention to donald trump. i found it fascinating that donald trump over the weekend was saying to people that this was going to be really bad for the republicans so, you know, once again, donald trump has shown that he doesn't care what kind of damage he does to the country i don't think for a minute donald trump believes abortion to be illegal. not for a minute does he believe abortion should be illegal. i think most people know that about him. he knows this is a difficult political situation, especially with no exceptions for rape and incest in all of these states. and so him admitting over the weekend that this is bad for republicans is fascinating since he did it. he did it. this is the trump court, and you know what the trump court is, the trump court is five politicians in a row. that's what the trump court is. >> yeah, we have reverend al with us. reverend al has a question for you. >> okay. great. >> senator, as you and i have worked on several civil rights issues together, and i clearly think y

wade is donald trump. andrea mitchell, donald trump doesn't seem to be excited about this. he called it a victory for life at his rally in illinois yesterday, but he is mumbling and grumbling all over the place about this and he believes this is going to hurt republicans in the midterms. >> absolutely. look, when he ran, as a fake evangelical and fake supporter of banning abortion and all this antithetical to him and politically important in iowa and other places as he was running, so this is not his core beliefs because he is not ideological. he's just pragmatic, and he can see the handwriting on this. while the economy is the biggest issue and will continue to be the biggest issue and inflation, driving the midterm elections, it is going to be abortion rising as a big issue, and it's especially toing to be important in trigger states and states with a total ban, in michigan, wisconsin, where governors could change hands. people who could veto republican legislature. one thing overlooked is how in 2010, this really emerged with republican activists, not republicans generic

one that could pose a far greater risk to donald trump, led by the justice department. and this week, that investigation got dialed way up. federal agents conducted an early morning surge in the home of jeffrey clark, he's an environmental lawyer trump try to install as attorney general in the final days of his presidency. clark was the only doj official willing to lie about voter fraud for trump. the same day, the fbi served subpoenas in multiple states to trump allies who were involved in the fake elector scheme to overturn the election. let's dig into this with vermont congressman, peter welch, a member of the house intelligence committee. congressman, welcome. >> thank you. >> absolutely. regarding the federal search executed on the home of jeffrey clark, are you glad to finally see justice department taking steps like this? >> i am. it is a follow-up from the evidence that has been presented by the january six committee. what is really important here, for all of us, is how do we preserve our democracy? the basic question is wet -- weather what happened on january 6

and then donald goes on. what's the next? think disparagement. he's gonna say he barely knows him. that, you know, he hardly knows him. and that anything that john eastman or jeffrey clark did was done and their own volition. >> jill, how do you see prosecutors responding to this tactic? >> fully warmth, shame on me. for me twice, i'm sorry, i have that in reverse. for me once, shame on me. have better rivers. for me once, shame on you. for me twice, shame on me. and i feel like we have heard this diversion and deflection and projection. everything he, does he blames on someone else. and it's time for us to say, no, we have enough evidence of your intent in this case. we have heard many people testify that he was told that there was no fraud. and that they're -- this process of fake electors was illegal. that it could not be done. and, yet he insisted on doing it. and then we have him committing out right -- just find 11,780 votes. just have you say that it's investigative by the department of justice. leave the rest to me in the republican congressman. this is a pattern of behavio

we have hundreds of federal judges that were appointed by donald trump. we have a 6 to 3 supreme court. we have people that are operating at school boards that are banning books. and banning whole language around lgbtq+ people. and so, the coup is still happening. and it is successful. right? the committee's job right now is incredibly important. to lay out exactly how donald trump was the architect, the mastermind, behind going after his own vice president. we have never seen that in this country ever before. that is something that we have seen in a movies, but not in these united states. >> she had on a number of important targets. -- shows that 58% of americans say they are following news about the january 6th committee closely. only 41% say they are not. could these hearings have that kind of impact that daniel is referring to? >> it's possible. i think it is really interesting is, a lot of the cynical reporters have expected not a lot of people to watch these. we were thinking because we've been talking about this for a long time, inflation -- but th

one that could pose a far greater risk to donald trump, led by the justice department. and this week, that investigation got dialed way up. federal agents conducted an early morning surge in the home of jeffrey clark, he's an environmental lawyer trump try to install as attorney general in the final days of his presidency. clark was the only doj official willing to lie about voter fraud for trump. the same day, the fbi served subpoenas in multiple states to trump allies who were involved in the fake elector scheme to overturn the election. let's dig into this with vermont congressman, peter welch, a member of the house intelligence committee. congressman, welcome. >> thank. you >> absolutely. regarding the federal search executed on the home of jeffrey clark, are you glad to finally see justice department taking steps like this? >> i am. it is a follow-up from the evidence that has been presented by the january six committee. what is really important here, for all of us, is how do we preserve our democracy? the basic question is wet -- weather what happened on january 6

and then donald goes on. what's the next? think disparagement. he's gonna say he barely knows him. that, you know, he hardly knows him. and that anything that john eastman or jeffrey clark did was done and their own volition. >> jill, how do you see prosecutors responding to this tactic? >> fully warmth, shame on me. for me twice, i'm sorry, i have better rivers. for me once, shame on you. for me twice, shame on me. and i feel like we have heard this diversion and deflection and projection. everything he, does he blames on someone else. and it's time for us to say, no, we have enough evidence of your intent in this case. we have heard many people testify that he was told that there was no fraud. and that they're -- this process of fake electors was illegal. that it could not be done. and, yet he insisted on doing it. and then we have him committing out right -- just find 11,780 votes. just have you say that it's investigative by the department of justice. leave the rest to me in the republican congressman. this is a pattern of behavior that shows who was really responsible for this

bush and then donald trump, who were able to put people on the supreme court who are going to for the port the -- of the match for unpopular, sectarian vision of what american freedom is supposed to look like on unwilling states. again, i think there's such an irony about how, as many people said, you're safer as a gun in this country then as a -- guns have more rights than women at this point. i think is going to reach a crisis point, the more that you have a supreme court that makes any kinds of progressive legislation impossible. we still have a big environmental case to come. and then poses a very narrow, christian nationalists agenda on many, many people who do not want to live under it. >> marshall, i know you follow closely the january 6th hearings. in fact, you have wrote that there been so much better than you are expected. there are reports the former president trump is also watching those hearings on tv. and that he is furious that house minority leader kevin mccarthy decided to keep pro trump republicans off the january six committee. and that by not putting anyone on to d

now, what john eastman did, like with me, at the direction and for the benefit of donald trump. an adult goes on and, what is the next thing? it's the disparagement. he's going to say he barely knows him. that, you know, he hardly knows him. and anything that john eastman or jeffrey clark did was done at their own volition. and then, of course, destroying the lives, you go to see these people in the same situation that i was in self surrendering to an institution and being away from your family, friends, losing her life, using your happiness, your family's happiness. and i'm trying to -- if they're listening to this, please listen to my warning. i'm telling you, you will be in the same situation. welcome to under the bus club. >> michael, why the commitment? you felt for it, eastman obviously fell for it. clark fell for it. this commitment, this unfettered commitment to the former president. he is known for acting out in this way, for having fall guys, for having people around him take the rap. what is it about this unfettered commit to the former president, this undying commitm

but with another partner justice will indict former president donald trump. here is adam schiff earlier today on meet the press. >> i think it is a very difficult decision. but i do not think it is a difficult -- that is, to prosecute. but it is not a difficult decision to investigate. and i think the worst-case scenario is not that donald trump runs and wins. but that he runs and loses. and they overturn the election. because there is no deterrent. because there is no effort to push back. >> colorado congressman jason crow joins me now. a democratic member of the house intelligence and armed services committee, and a former impeachment manager. it is good to see you. obviously there are two sides to this question, of whether or not donald trump gets indicted. and that is a legal one and a political one. since you are a lawyer, let's start with a legal part of this. from what you are hearing so far, do you think there is a case to be made, and one of the holes you think money to be filled in over the next couple of hearings? >> well, hi chris. i don't think t

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so we know that justice thomas is setting, essentially, a signal to conservative judges, of which donald trump put in several. i don't know the exact number. lots of judges on the lower court. something that obama did not do. part of a mommy's legacy was leaving all these open judgeships in the lower courts that don, trump and his colleagues aggressively filled in exponential numbers. and they will do the bidding of justices like clarence thomas. >> let's look into this. how much this was obama not feeling those charges, and how much of it was republicans sending out to deprive him of those appointments? because let's remember, mitch mcconnell stole a supreme court seat as part of this overall gambit of remaking the judiciary. >> to be fair, it is a bit about. obama administration-controlled congress at least in the first term, there could've been a very aggressive move to fill those judgeships. they moved more slowly. the biden administration really deserves credit, because they have been really diligent about putting up slates of judges, and trying to get them through. and the judges t

so that donald trump could serve another term. and that was done, we are increasingly finding, extremely carefully. they were people being installed after the 2020 election, key positions in the justice department. in the defense department in the white house. and elsewhere. and if you look at donald trump's four years in office, it almost looks as if it was done by a brilliant political scientist, who recognize the weaknesses in our democratic political system. small the. i would argue that don't trump is not a brilliant political scientist, nor has he read the work of any great political scientist and i know of. so, as the january six committee looks at all of this, and the antecedents in four years of the trump presidency, who funded january six? there was money there. where they come from? shadowy figures. who was on the telephone calls? were he and his people in touch with foreign governments, who would like to see the american democracy brought down? we don't know that yet. how about domestic terrorists? people like the prou

. >> former president donald trump, this past week, trashing house minority leader kevin mccarthy for the january six committee did against the capitol. the profound implication of the bombshell hearings that have had on the country. the man he was obsessed with getting media attention, he sure is getting. it but just not the kind he wants. he might have illegitimate reason to be scared, just as last week revealing just to damaging the readings have been for trump. according to a clinic poll, nearly six and ten americans think that trump bears a lot or some responsibility for the starting of the u.s. capital on january six. and the majority of americans, 58%, say they are following the news about the january six committee river closely or somewhat closely. millions of americans tuning in to watch the public hearings in the last two weeks, democratic senator writes for msnbc.com, saying, the republican party could be screwed by the same thing it has become addicted to with trump. huge television writings. for insight and analysis, we are joined by former republican congressman joe wals

direction, and then certainly with the confirmation of three justices appointed by the former president, donald trump, who promised to appoint justices who would overrule roe and casey, and then with the draft opinion that was leaked in early may, the court said it was not a final decision. but we knew at the time that decision meant that there were five votes to overrule roe and casey. and we saw that today. it is one thing to expect something to happen. but then to actually see it happen is really remarkable. >> i want to follow up on that question with amy. when you make of the fact that justice roberts was not completely aligned with the conservative justices? why can we read into that? >> that is -- he has been a line in some of the other major cases that storm. a decision involving gun rights. and you decision involving religion, last week. there is undoubtedly a conservative majority. in the court. it was not a surprise at all that the chief justice penned the separate opinion. he is a very conservative. but he is an institutionalist. we saw him raise this line of arguments at the -- in

could that spell more intrigue or trouble for donald trump? >> well certainly. mr. trump didn't demonstrate any loyalty to mr. brooks. and endorsed his opponent. of course, mr. brooks is now out of the race. so he is certainly have less incentive to be loyal to the former president, despite the personal cost at this point. but i think the big thing that we learned this week or got really highlight it was when the former president asked members of the department of justice, the leadership of the department of justice, to tell states that there had been fraudulent results in their elections and that therefore they should be reexamined them. and perhaps change their electors. those department of justice officials said no. trump then told them, look, just say it was corrupt. and the republican congressman will do the rest. that is a pretty strong line from that to the request for pardons. >> it is. and it is going to be interesting, and addition to what we've learned that the committee and the justice department are seeking those 170 hours of footage from those pair of

by 2016, though, republican president donald trump just made it official. he was known, obviously, for saying the quiet part out loud, my 2016, he was flat out saying that i would only nominate justices who will overturn roe. and he did. and sure today, we have the results, often not just these justices ascending to the court, we have the result of a concerted political project that is attached to the republican party that started 40 years ago for political reasons. and i know there's a lot to say about the court, and the reasoning of today's ruling, and the individual justices who did this. and indeed, the individual states, there are new laws, and how fast the curtain is coming down, and are we gonna do something about that over the course of this hour? but to know what's coming next year, we have to get real about who did this, and how they did it. because this is part of a political project. this is a 40 years in the making project. for big, well staffed, well funded, very radical project of the american political right and the republican party. and i s

. >> did you get the sense in speaking with donald trump that there was anything, any limit to what he would do in order to remain president? including, was he willing to see violence done in order to remain president? >> i'm not sure whether or not he's intended there to be violence, but he certainly said things which were quite extraordinary for a president of the united states to say. i mean, that clip just now illustrates a sort of moment which is, i mean, just astonishing. there i am sitting in the white house, on a british filmmaker, i don't really have any skin in the game particularly. and he sort of looking me in the eye he says, the diplomatic reception room, and he's the sitting president of the united states and he's telling me that the election officials in georgia are stupid people. so, it was certainly, the realms of possibility as to what could happen were certainly evident, for sure. with me now, former u.s. attorney, harry lippman. he is a legal affairs columnist for the l.a. times and host of the talking feds podcast. and tom nichols, contributor, writer for the atla

several of them served donald trump and his administration. others in his campaign. others have been conservative republicans for their entire careers. it can be difficult to accept that president trump abused your trust. that he deceived you. many will invent excuses to ignore that fact. but that is a fact. i wish it were not true, but it is. >> kenya, this is a group that they understand they have to breakthrough, and they have to reach your sense, having watched the hearings of the tactics they are employing in order to do that and how successful they have been in the course? >> this is what is a great appeal by liz cheney to really target an audience that will likely be turning a blind eye or close in their ears and shutting off their computers or televisions to these hearings that they have not done so already. we know from reporting on the ground to a lot of strongholds around the country of trump have actually been doing that. they have not been paying closely to the january six hearings. this was a wonderful appeal. a targeted the audience directly to say tha

let's not forget the jaw dropping testimony of officials talking about donald trump's -- will be talking to maxine -- i'm's simon sanders and i have something to say. today millions of american women woke up with fewer freedoms than they had before. in the 30 allison's the supreme court overturned roe v. wade and took away our bodily autonomy, abortions are now banned in nine states with other soon to follow. oh no, at least half the country is expected to ban or severely limit abortion access. i wish i could say something to consult y'all. i wish i could tell you that it's not as bad as you think. but i can only tell you the truth. the truth is, it's about to get worse, way worse. if you're watching this from a blue state, i'm doing the show from california today, don't think you're safe, either. not only with these bands strain abortion resources nationwide, but republicans are considering a nationwide abortion ban in the very possible scenario that they retake congress next year. listen to wet nancy pelosi had to say immediately after the ruling came down. >> radical republicans are c

donald trump said, in 2016, i will elect conservative judges that will overturn roe v. wade. he put on three justices to the supreme court. but i would also like to talk about something else that danielle mentioned. democrats aren't doing their bit either. whether it's a republican administration or democrat administration, whoever has control of the house or the senate, no one's governing. no one's been governing this country for a good 20 years. meaning, we leave it to the supreme court. we leave it to nine people to make our decisions because the people elected to office can't get the job done. so we need to start electing people -- >> but it's also, susan, because the laws that own place in congress, there's the filibuster -- we talked a lot about the fact that the democrats have the control of the senate, but they don't have control because of the filibuster. >> well, yasmin, two things today. that's exactly what we're talking about. we've not been governing. we've not had compromise on either side. they're not working towards anything. moving our country forward. or lea

so, it's all terrible and it sounds a lot like donald trump, doesn't it? he said, just say i need 11,780 votes. just find me them. just say there's an investigation, and you'll get what you need. this is his pattern. he sounds totally -- i think it shows his intent, it shows his criminal intent, and it shows -- at the same time. >> so, there's a question of whether or not it's believable. there's a question of whether or not it's prosecutable. but, before we get to that answer, jill, talk to me first about some of the similarities you've been seeing, especially when it came to prosecution. >> the last hearing on the department of justice shows the similarities that i've seen, and that is trump abused his power as president in terms of the department of justice. you had, in the nixon white house, you had john dean getting information from the department of justice that should have never been revealed, because it is all secret. you have the attorney general, who before he became the head of the committee to reelect the president, was in his offices attorney

well the opposition, they are real clear. >> you look at florida politics, donald trump, he literally shut to produce average $250 million. >> right, that legal -- doesn't happen bit remember maryland gillespie in baltimore for taking many at her own retirement account. it's so the same thing there. black politicians know this, you have to be squeaky clean, but this is also why andrew gutman tire mark, elias and others. and so they made it clear that they're gonna fight this. and so, when you understand that that going in, prepare yourself for battle. >> yet, andrew before all of this came down posted a picture on instagram of his family. and the quote below it was, they may say in the, and i think that is something that is so familiar to us because this is something that has been routine throughout american history. when you think about the leaders, to the black panther party >> adam clean powell, all of that. who is actually move from congress. all this things that happened, and so again, the reality is our history has been one of faye. fight, fight, fight. we don't leave the battle

she is a house member of the second impeachment of donald trump. stacy, shedding light that we found that so many of your colleagues have tried to be part of an attempted coup while asking for pardons. how does this sit with you? >> it is confirmation of what's so many of us believed about our colleagues in the house, that they were in fact coconspirators with the president to overturn the election and that they are a threat to our democracy. the individuals that you are holding up there, there are not unknown to the american people of being on the fringe of not just their own party but of democracy itself in many other things that they espouse. some of them use the great replacement theory. is some a spouse antisemitic, racist rhetoric. dog whistles. it is in the things that they say. like mel brooks, during the rally, inciting people to violence and telling them to go to the capital and to kick it at that time. >> do you expect mccarthy to hold them accountable. >> of course not. he has shown that they that he is reckless himself and unwilling to

donald. enjoy your trip, and more importantly thank you so much for your analysis this morning. s >> i want to bring in texas and to senator roland guterres. he represents a city of uvalde, which as you know is the scene of one of the biggest mass shootings that triggered the solution. thank you so much for joining me today. >> thank you maria today. >> now senator guterres, i was on the ground with you during one of the memorial services that happened in uvalde. and i have to say, it was one of the most heart wrenching moments to see families coming together as they were burying their nine year olds. can you talk a little bit about what this means on the heels of such tragedy for the families in uvalde, witnessing the president signed bipartisan legislation to address to some extent, the tragedy it happened in uvalde. as we all know, for folks tuning, and the person that carried out that deadly attack was 18 years old and he purchased the weapons on his birthday, and then went down to a school and killed 19 people, 19 children and two teachers. >> well, maria says, i can tell y

the defensive, several gop lawmakers panicked dropped following revelations that they strategize with donald trump to help him overturn the 2020 election. later, president biden is on the cusp of citing this morning in decades.rst gun legislatio this is after is a cream court ruling brought in gun laws and strengthened the second amendment. all of the and more is coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ in a not so good at saturday morning, in my opinion. i am katie fang. american women are working off today in a different world than they did on friday morning thanks to the conservative super majority. many women live in states where abortion is now illegal. the number will grow larger in the coming weeks. overnight, thousands of people filled the streets across the country, as well as the space around the supreme court, to protest the justices decision and rally for rights. the protests remained remained peaceful and we want to see more today. let's look at how things stand today. seven states have activated their trigger laws, outlying abortion. those states are arkansas, kentucky, louisiana, missouri, okla