against brutality and go by recent scientific research and statistics by such eminent authorities, as donald webster quarry, bottled -- dr. alfred kinsey, dr. william kroger, dr. clara thompson and others, homosexuals have become aware of themselves as a social minority. and the group culture characteristics patterns, problems and oppressions that are common to all minorities similarly prosecuted by baseless and it's and vulgar prejudices the committee intended to expose all eyas, the much-publicized trial began on june 23rd, 1952. jennings admitted his homosexuality in court but he adamantly denied any wrongdoing. after 10 days the jury deadlocked, 11 to one, and jennings favor. although the arresting officer had been caught in a lie, one person stymie the jury. the judge then dismissed the charges and a stun jennings left the courthouse a free man. he later said quote, walking out of the courtroom for a while as a liberation i had never anticipated. it didn't happen in our society, he went to jail for the sort of thing. and i was so numb for some time it finally began to dawn on me that we

but there was a mention of one perned called donald segretti. then the next suck saysor was lee atwatter who had a come upance at the end. and then there was karl rove. again, these people must be bread out in the bushes somewhere. and i'm wondering, who is the next turd blossom? who is the next one in line who is out there in some little institute waiting to be tacked by some new presidential? now, the favor i need to ask of you, and this is a very important one. during your process of interviewing nominees in the next presidential election, anyone who comes up with a whole process of saying they're religious and like a hucka by or a palin, would you please, ask them one question for me. do they believe in the rapture? i would love to hear the answer to that. and i will take your responses off line. guest: look, this candidate, senator obama also professed to have this deep religious faith and one of the best interviews i did with him was actually with news week's religious writer and she pushed him on all of these shuss and concepts. -- issues

elections and hearing about all the dirty tricks there was the mentioning of one person by the name of donald is a gritty and then in the period after that, the next successor seemed to be the atwater who infamously had a rather come office at the end and then there was karl rove, again the succession of these people must be read out in the bushes somewhere and i'm wondering who is the next toward blossom, the next one in line in some little institute waiting to be capped by a new presidential -- the favor i need to ask and this is very important. >> guest: go ahead. >> caller: during your process interviewing nominees in the next presidential election, anyone who comes up for the process singing the or religious like huckabee or palin would you please, you and your colleagues ask one question for me, do they believe in the rapture? i'd love to hear the answer to that and i will take your response is offline. >> guest: look, this candidate, senator obama also professed to have his deep religious faith and one of the best interviews i did with him was actually with "newsweek"'s religious right

in by quote this bipartisan report of the senate armed services committee, quote, secretary defense donald rumsfeld authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques for use of guantanamo bay was a direct cause of detainee abuse, and of quote. one other example. susan crawford, the top bush administration official dealing with military commissions at guantanamo. she was general counsel of army during the reagan administration and pentagon inspector general when richard cheney of was the defense secretary. she is a lifelong republican. susan crawford reached the same conclusion, reached the conclusion mohammed al-kahtani, the so-called 20 hijacker couldn't be prosecuted for his role in the 9/11 attacks because he was tortured at guantanamo bay. here is what susan crawford said. madam president, can i ask for order in the chamber? >> the senate will be in order. >> here is what susan crawford said. quote, we tortured al-kahtani. if we tolerate this and allow wait how can we object when hours servicemen and women or others in the foreign service are captured and subjected to the same techn

reverend donald fairbanks jr. was fatally shot at the ninth street baptist church in kentucky in november of 2008. people who attempt add funeral for a woman with relatives in his congregation and grief turned to fear as the gunman opened fire in the church. july, 2008, an usher and guest were shot and killed during the opened act of a children's play in knoxville, tennessee. the gunman walked into the sanctuary carrying a guitar case with a 12-gauge shotgun. he's said to have fired over 40 shots. killing two and injuring seven. in may, 2006, five family members killed by a gunman who opened fire during a church service in baton rouge, louisiana. the whole family was wiped out and the shooter's wife was abducted from the church and killed nearby. one of the most upsetting in recent memory started in 1999 when a lone gunman massacred seven worshipers and wounded seven others at a youth celebration. 150 teenagers that were all taking place in the sanctuary of the wedgwood baptist church in fort worth, texas. 150 tee

senator mccain, the ranking republican of the committee found -- and i quote -- "secretary of defense donald rumsfeld's authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques at guantanamo bay was a direct cause of detainee abuse there. end of quote. they also concluded there was a connection between abu ghraib and guantanamo in saying the abuse of detainees at abu ghraib was not the result of a few soldiers acting on their own. acts such as stripping detainees of their clothes and using military working dogs to intimidate them appeared in iraq only after they had been approved for use in afghanistan and at gitmo. susan crawford, a top bush administration official reached the same basic conclusion. let me conclude by saying this: president bush called for the closure of guantanamo. there were little or no -- few if no complaints from the republican side. now that president obama has made that same call, we hear this chorus of opposition. i think president obama has accepted a challenge. the challenge to make certain that these detainees are treated in a responsible way, that those who should s

but this, this was recreated and this is exactly what the benedick donald was caught with when he was trying to go to the british. in the south kosciuszko now salles slavery up and close for the first time to such extent as it was. here's a map of virginia and you see the areas there were large populations of slaves and hear kosciuszko at thomas jefferson for the first time. thomas jefferson, the man that wrote all men are created equal on slaves. and kosciuszko thought he was a hypocrite. kosciuszko end of serving the rest of the war in the carolinas where he developed the report with slaves and the sovereign states. he brought grippy and the friendship helped him out and kosciuszko was drawn to other continental soldiers were also abolitionists. one of them was colonel lawrence, outspoken opponent of slavery but when he was killed the other men started taking off his clothes and kosciuszko wrote to general green who was the commanding officer that this was mean and low thinking and the two negro's belonging to lawrence r. naked and wash shirts, jackets, breeches and their skin can b

i also want to recognize a special work done by congressman donald payne who was the founding chair of the friends of the caribbean caucus and congressman kendrick meek, congressman gregory meeks, and of course congresswomany vet clarke. truly all the members are champions of the causes of the caribbean. last year one of our great achievements led by congressman donald payne and you, madam speaker, congresswoman lee, in one of those great efforts pepfar was extended to all of the caribbean for the very first time. two months ago health ministers and caricom leaders met to draft a five-year plan which would build on the pan cap, the pan caribbean partnership to ah.i.v. and aids in this region. the shirley chisholm exchange act of 2009 introduced again by congressional black caucus chairwoman and madam speaker lee, is now working its way through congress. it will help to build a stronger caribbean work force and promote greater collaboration between the united states and the caribbean, as well as a sharing of values and culture. madam speaker, i do have a few colleagues here with me this

the founding chair of the friends of the caribbean caucus, the gentleman from new jersey, congressman donald payne. mr. pane: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks. thank you. let me commend the congressional black caucus and its chairperson this evening, barbara lee, from california for the outstanding job that she is doing as chair of the congressional black caucus and as the caucus moves forward being the conscience of the congress, let me also commend representative fudge who is from the great state of ohio who continues to lead this special order on our evenings. of course to our caribbean queen , delegate donna christian-christensen who as you know is our representative from the u.s. virgin islands. not only is she an expert on the caribbean, but as we all know she is an internist, physician and has been very, very helpful as we move forward in a very difficult health care reform. and her input is invaluable. i also want to commend her for the recent involvement in a documentary about the relationship between st. croix and puerto rico that went through the history of

caller: donald trump was on with larry king and was asked about real estate. and he said that he sold his home for $100 million at the height of the market, because he feared that the high oil prices was the cause of the bank's collapse and the economy. i am a professor of business and i can give you my view of. what bush jr. did was that he changed the inflation rate. when oil hits over $50 a barrel, for the last three years we have over 7% inflation. busch jr. change the inflation numbers. remember he had inflation and a than excluding food and energy? let me give you a number over 40 years of teaching. what ever the price of oil is, if it is $20 a barrel, the inflation rate is 2%. if it is $70 a barrel, it is 7% inflation. what people are missing is that 0 allele is 25% of the profits of all the company's world baud -- worldwide. $50 a barrel is 50% of the profits. when you are building a home you are talking about $50 and will -- a $50 a barrel. i am paying two hundred dollars more a month in fuel, and $200 more month in my car. what obama should do is the

i sat and watched, maybe i shouldn't be saying this, i watch donald rumsfeld interview -- working for him. when i saw these guys on his calendar. the job they went into. the leadership for the most part is in that moment. >> that is too much money. >> the guy we respect enormously, when it comes to war. the money ruins the people, and the defense ruins your officer corps, it ruins their fighting ability. that is reaping but whirlwind in iraq and afghanistan. >> you mentioned the willingness of people to come forward, good accountability mechanism, the military service, there was a debate going on about legislation for national security. how important is that, establishing some real credibility, the accountability process. >> danielle can speak to this better than i can. >> it would be great to have legislate. we had some bills down their merry path. there is a sense in the pentagon that someone is looking over their shoulder. i don't care if they get a sense that someone is looking over their shoulder or somebody in congress is looking over their shoulder. they feel free to do what th

bradley graham discusses his new book about donald rums felt -- rumsfeld. >> people do not want to think of roosevelt's conservation as a policy as much of a passion. he put together almost 240 million acres of wild america. as people are talking about environmentalism and green movements, roosevelt is becoming the key figure to understand. he was the only politician of his day who absorbed darwin and understood biology, understood birds migratory patterns, understood mating habits of elk and antelope, and actually did something. >> sunday on "q&a," the first of two hours with douglas brinkley on "wilderness warrior," tonight at 8:00 on c-span, or listen on satellite radio, or download the c-span podcast.

and in a couple of hours, radley graham discusses his new book, the failures of donald rumsfeld. "washington journal" is next. ♪ host: and is monday, june 22, 2009. president obama today signs the tobacco bill. we will begin by asking you about jobs and the economic recovery. where are the jobs in the country? specifically focusing on the area where you are calling from. and we will also take your comments by twitter. cspanwj is our handle. we would get your comments and phone calls in just a moment. here are a couple of breaking international stories. ira andn's revolutionary guard is threatening to crush any further opposition protests -- this after a weekend protest. another from the associated press, this one on the north korea. here is another from iran, rat her -- and they admit a possible discrepancy in the 3 million votes. north korea continues to take an aggressive stance over its nuclear program and international sanctions. the capital reminded the u.s. today that it has nuclear weapons and when it will strike back if attacked. we will spend the first hour talking abo

later, bradley gramm will cover the pentagon for many years and wrote an extensive book on donald rumsfeld called "by his own rules." coming right back with more "washington journal [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2009] >> the fcc could -- should be a model for transparency, openness, and fairness. >> tonight on "the communicators." a discussion on president obama's choice to lead the federal communications commission with andrew feinberg and fawn johnson. what the fcc would look like under a new chairman, tonight at 8:00 eastern on "the communicators" on c-span2. >> there is still time to get your copy of c-span's 2009 congressional directorate. with information on house and senate members, the cabinet, supreme court justices, and the nation's governors, plus district maps and how to contact committees and caucuses. it is $16.95. c-span.org online. /products or call 1-877-on-c- span. >> how c-span funded? >> donations. >> from the federal government. >> grants and stuff like that. >> maybe from sponsors? >> they mi

as donald rumsfeld donald rumsfeas the president of a corporation brought aspirin came into the public domain which caused several million people to die from brain tumors -- he brought asparatame into the public domain. i wonder if he feels he is responsible for those deaths guest: the product which is commonly known as nutrasweet now found in thousands of products as an artificial sweetener and now from soda pop to chewing gum remains controversial. i am no expert on the scientific findings, but lender standing is that the predominance of evidence has not established any links between asparatame and nutrasweet in the deaths use. donald rumsfeld remains proud to this day of bringing the product to market. it was an fda regulatory limbo when he took over at the company. he tried very hard to get permission to market that and was ultimately successful. host: you write that as part of his tenure at general instruments that company was instrumental in the development of hdtv. guest: that is right. he has an impressive career in business, an agent of change, taking these companies and turni

donald rumsfeld did believe that report. of all the senior officials if he should have known better or at least question that intelligence more aggressively than he did. he tried to warn against believing too much in the conventional wisdom, not challenging enough assumptions and intelligence reports. he was very fond of disturbing to people the preface of a book on pearl harbor which warns against falling into this kind of conventional thinking and not challenging conventional wisdom sufficiently, and yet here was a case where rumsfeld himself did not seem to question is enough. host: moments ago we showed the picture it from your books of his meeting saddam hussein. guest: the meeting occurred in december 1983 when he says served as a presidential envoy richard when he served as the convoy president reagan to the middle east. he was instructed by the reagan administration to facilitate the resumption of ties with iraq that had been ruptured during the iraq/iran war. both were interested then had resuming those ties. it wou

host: bradley graham's new book "by his own rules: the ambitions, successes and ultlimate failures of donald rumsfeld" will go on sale today. thanks. guest: thank you for having me. host: that pretty much does it for this program. tomorrow we will speak with senator john mccain. we will speak with tom ridge on thursday. we will take you live now to the national press club concerning iran. it is the morning news event. the speaker is an advocate for the campaign for civil disobedience against the regime in iran and will call for a secular parliamentarians and thademocracy there. . . [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2009]. . . dÑ@ÑdÑdÑúÑ@Ñ@ÑdÑ@Ñ@Ñ@ÑdÑdÑúÑdÑ@Ñ ññññlÑ ññññññññ ññññññññññññññ >> waiting here at the national press club for remarks from iran's former crown prince, reza pahlavi. coming up in a couple of hours, president barack obama will be making a formal announcement, welcoming the weekend agreement by the pharmaceutical industry to help

host: the book is on donald rumsfeld. the first phone call is from louisiana on the independent life. this is ed. go ahead. caller: thank you. donald rumsfeld was the president and ceo of several corporations. in 1983, he brought his company into the public domain and it cost several people to die of brain tumors. i wonder if he feels he is responsible for those deaths. guest: the product ascertain -- aspertame is now known as nutrasweet and found in many products. it remains controversial. i am no expert on the scientific findings. my understanding is that the great predominance of evidence has not established any link between aspertame and the dens aths that you speak up. he remains very proud of bringing that product to market. it had been in regulatory limbo when he took over at searle. he tried very hard to get permission to market that. host: that company was instrumental in the development of hdtv. guest: that is right. he has an impressive career in business as being an agent of change. he took companies that were

how did donald rumsfeld viewed the role of government official of public service? >> guest: he was a very interesting public service from a very young age, he was inspired in college senior year when adamle stevenson came to talk to his courage reading class at princeton urging of the students to put their work in public service and not long after that rumsfeld ran for congress and became the youngest republican member of congress in the 1960's and believed very march in a public service. he served not only in congress but in nixon and ford administrations and then came back of course and the bush administration but even in between when he was a corporate executive he stayed involved in government serving as a presidential envoy and a couple of government commissions. >> host: the book is 800 pages and extensive biography certainly some presidents don't get this sort of treatment. you talked about his running for congress. did he ever have presidential aspirations? >> he did. some of his old high school classmates remembered rumsfeld expressing interest way back th

. >> host: the book is on donald rumsfeld, bradley graham, "by his own rules." first louisianan on the independent line. good morning. >> caller: good morning. thank you, c-span, of weeks of the people. i just wanted to add donald rumsfeld as president ceo of the corporation, and 83 into the public domain it cost several million people to die from brain tumors. i wonder if he feels like he is responsible for those deaths. >> guest: the product aspirating commonly known as nutrasweet now found in thousands and thousands of products as an artificial sweetener from soda pop to chewing gum, it remains controversy all and i am no expert on the scientific findings but my understanding is that the great predominance of evidence has not established any link between aspertane and nutrasweet and the deaths you speak of and rumsfeld to this day remains proud of having brought the product to market. it had been in kind of the fda regulatory limbo when rumsfeld took over and he tried very hard to get to market that and was ultimately successful. >> host: you're right as part

donald rumsfeld remained perplexed and to this day said mr. scowcroft i don't know what rumsfeld really things. he said i had a chance to watch his mind operate. for anybody else with whom i have had that kind of contact, i have got the picture who they are, what makes them work and so on. i have no idea what makes them work, what makes him the way he is. at want to ask you, after doing this book on donald rumsfeld, to have an idea of what makes him tick? >> guest: i have somewhat of a better idea but i can't say i thoroughly understand him. he is very complicated and that is what has continued to fascinate me about him. he is like a jekyll and hyde kind of character. he has got this very rough, tough hard-charging side to him that got him into trouble as defense secretary, also had made him effective years earlier in business and government. on the other hand he can be a very affable, genial, and old world courtesy about him. you never quite knew which rumsfeld would show up sometimes. at least i never did in my dealings with him. there were

donald fair, he will call it quits after 26 years, 1983- 2009. he reigned over the union and, boy, did a lot happen there, especially explosive growth and players' salaries, $289, 000 was the average salary in 1983. also the 1994 strike, the steroid era, the 2002 drug agreement and five labor contracts were agreed upon under his reign. now, as for his replacement, he has suggested that it be michael weiner. he is the third official within the union, but that, of course, has to be approve bid executive board as well as ratified by players. jim? >> jim: thank you very much. don't fear who eventually replaced marvin miller with one in the middle. and he is not a very popular guy with fans, but he is a very popular guy with the players. >> buck: yeah, i was involved in the hiring process when don fear became the executive director of the players' association and it was an interesting process. he actually became involved in 1977 as an attorney involved with the mess serious smith and mcnally case and he became an assistant and general counsel under mi

need we say more about the damning statistical revelation that was given by donald shields, the professor at, i believe, it's missouri state university. there's a 1 in 10,000 chance that the department of justice would have gone after democrats more so than republicans. i will tell you that there were 268 democrats, 57 republicans and only 10 independents that were either investigated, prosecuted, some were acquitted. but it went largely enknown, because this is a systemic problem. but the abuse today, we can point to. and i will highlight later on on the part of my father's case simply because we can point to very clear instances where something should have been done. justice recently, we warned the accuser a week and a half ago of a judge who my father fought back in 199, basically against his nomination to become judge. it was a very open and public debate. my father headed up the only government-funded civil rights organization in the city. the judge obvious didn't remember, but our attorney nathan dershowitz found on the micro fische two articles that this was a coveted position for

host: how did donald rumsfeld view the role of public service? guest: he was very interested in public service from a very young age, inspired in college when it advice stevenson came to talk to his graduate in class. that was at princeton. stevenson urged all the students to use their educations to put them to work in public service. not long afterward donald rumsfeld ran for congress and became the youngest republican member in 1960 and believed in public service. he served not only in congress, but also in the nixon and ford administrations and returned

going down to rehab assignment in the minor leagues, coming back from an injury, and that's, again, donald fehr, the brilliance of how they negotiate this had thing to make it look like it's not a crime at all. the new way of handling steroids -- we talked about it a lot on this program, but i am more and more convinced that around real america, you know, not people sitting in front of the can have cameras, they just don't care anymore. i mean, it's just been wiped out. and it's been slowly wiped out by these kinds of things that just makes it look like it's not that serious a deal. and the new word -- you use an s.a.t. word, obfuscate, ok? make it blurry. alex rodriguez, well, yeah, he took steroids, but it wasn't that years ago. obfuscate. manny ramirez, yeah, he did, but wasn't it a women's hormone? just kind of blur the facts about it. i think you were referring to barry bonds in terms of him not getting that same kind of reception. the reason that barry bonds got it because we knew all that details, clear, cream, injections, the rear end, all the rest, the muscles and everything. so t

my name is dominick donald. you mentioned several areas and i'd like to take that on a little. one of the interesting things about those areas is that 50 years before churchill was trotting around there they became a center of sort of the include on the frontier and that was if you like a kind of early -- a kind of precursor of some of the thinking of al-qaeda inasmuch it was an alien radical entity in sort of putting itself in a very specific local belief system where it found good roots. and then i'd like to move on to territory that is very much yours which is indonesia. one of the striking things about indonesia, of course, it's very varying and socratic, you know, it has -- depending where you are, there are different variations on sort of the practice of islam and the different elements that have come in to build up that local practice of islam. and i wonder, therefore -- i haven't read your book yet. i'm going to be buying it, i assure you. [laughter] >> although your answer may be decisive. [laughter] >> unfair. >> is it worth building up local belief systems, local int

donald worster is our national expert on the aired west. i would sent him my questions. everybody i sent a chapter to found something wrong. sometimes four or five -- usually in this case, i didn't get anything big wrong. it's a word change. i say, you know, the winds blew from the southeast and it can't be the southeast. it's the northeast. that microthing. and particularly, i'm a bird lover and amateur. i would send it to auto bonn society to make sure i'm not misidentifying a bird species. they're very particular people. >> you have your hands on first edition books written by theodore roosevelt. how much do you trust those? and did he write them himself? >> oh, he wrote like -- one of the things people ask me, how do you write so much? you did this and you're teaching. i'm nothing compared to theodore roosevelt. this guy was doing five times more while he was running the country. he was writing books at a regular interval. this book here is his letters to his children. and it's a wonderful book because he would write them a lot -- like, look. here's the letter to his

how did donald rumsfeld view the role of a government official, a public service? >> guest: he was very interested in public service from a very young age. inspired in college, actually, senior year, whenned a lie stevenson came to talk to his graduating class princeton, urging the students to use their educations and put them to work in public service and not long after that, rumsfeld rang -- ran for congress, and believed very much in public service. he served not only in congress but in the nixon and ford administrations, and then came back, of course in the bush administration, but even in between, when he was a corporate executive, he stayed involved in government, serving as a presidential envoy on a couple of government commissions. >> host: the book is, 800 pages, an extensive biography, certainly some presidents don't get this sort of treatment you talk about his running for congress. did he ever have presidential aspirations? >> guest: he did. at some of his old high school classmates remember rumel

how did donald rumsfeld wind up being a republican? >> guest: well, he came from a very conservative district. the north shore of chicago, and he couldn't have gotten elected if he were a conservative. but he wasn't a neoconservative. sometimes people confuse him as being a part of that community. he was always quite mainline conservative and what is also very interesting some people may be surprised to learn is that when he was younger and congress particularly he had an image as a moderate republican, reformer, he actually led a group that came to be known as rumsfeld's readers in challenging the republican old guard that had been in charge of the leadership. >> host: dewaal so right that at one point in the transformation process was not going the way that some conservative critics wanted. at one point i believe in august of .2001 gilchrest zero, the editor of the weekly standard, called for bottled rumsfeld and paul wolfowitz's resignation. >> guest: that's right. there was a time there a few months into his tenure when rumsfeld wa

donald rumsfeld remained perplexing to this day said mr. scowcroft. i don't know what rumsfeld really thinks, he said and 2007. i've had a chance to watch his mind operate. for anybody else with whom i've had that kind of contact i've got a picture of who they are, what makes them work and so on. i have no idea what makes him work, what makes him the way he is. i want to ask you after doing this book on donald rumsfeld, do you have an idea what makes him tick? >> guest: i have somewhat of a better idea but i cannot say that i thoroughly understand him. you know, he is very complicated and that is what has continued to fascinate me about him. he's like jekyll and hyde kind of character. he's got this rauf and tough hard charging site to him that got him into trouble as the defense secretary also had made an effective years earlier in the business and government and on the other hand he can be very affable, genial personable, sort of has a kind of old world courtesy about him. you never quite knew which rumsfeld would show up at least sometimes i didn't

donald wraster a writer, and is exclam -- recorpation and donald i would send chapters and could you give me feedback. everyone i sent a chapter to found something wrong. in this case i didn't get a big wrong, a word change. the winds blew from the southeast, and they can't, it's the northeast. and that microlevel, i am a bird lover, and i would send to specialists to be sure i am not misidentified bird species. because they are very particular. >> you have your hand on first-edition books, how much do you trust those? >> one of the things people ask me, how do you write so much. you did this in your teaching. i am nothing compared to theodore roosevelt. this guy was doing five times more while running the country. this book here is his letters to his children. and it's a wonderful book, because he would write them a lot. here's a letter to his children on the love of flowers. t.r.on flowers. later in life he was a wildlife expert. puerto rican scenery, when he went down there, he is writing about masses of flowers. he goes on and on. >> have you read all the books? >> yes. >> how ma

i would send donald my chapters and he would give me feedback on what i got wrong. everybody i sent a chapter to find something wrong. in this case i did not get anything big wrong, just maybe word change. i would say the wind blew from the southeast, but it was actually the northeast. i would sent by byrd things to the audubon society to make sure i would not misidentify a bird species, because they are very particular, people in the audubon world. >> you have some first edition books written by theatre roosevelt on your hand. how much do you trust those? did you write them himself? >> he wrote. one of the things people ask me is how i write so much? i'm nothing compared to theodore roosevelt. this guy was doing five times more while he was running the country. he was writing books at regular intervals. these are his letters to his children in this book. it is a wonderful book because he would write them a lot like, here's a letter to his children on the love of flowers. later in his life, towards the end he became a wild flower experts. and does randomly opening t

the fact we were lied into iraq by dick cheney and donald rumsfeld -- there was no justification at all -- the media, the media is an enabler for these war criminals to continue with this fraud. the oil companies have been the beneficiaries of this industrial and into control of our government. the media does not pay attention to what the lower third of our country is going through because of this economic downturn. this was all created by congress in collusion with large corporations and financial, and these mega financial -- the wall street' monstrosities. host: thank you for your comment from silver spring, maryland. the ap confirms the death of four u.s. soldiers in combat- related injuries. this is on the eve of the withdrawal of troops. it is our subject this first half-hour. we will check in in a couple of minutes jane arraf wit who was with -- we will check in with jane arraf from the christian science monitor. caller: i think we should be out of iraq and should never have been there. but obama is missing around over there just like bush did and he will begin world war iii. host

donald rumsfeld gave saddam hussein the material to gas the kurds. we gave that to him under reagan. we supported him. my first complaint was why should we just give it to them? we should have sold it to them during my second complete was why we were harming both iran and iraq. that was none of our business. even though i agreed with some of the things you said, my biggest complaint is that fascism is what we saw. towards the end of the years, all of my friends agreed with me. i have one friend that has street kids in the military. i cannot repeat what she said about bush. she was one of his strongest supporters. host: the book is called "liberal fascism." guest: there was a lot in that call. i do not think even webster's says that fascism is the marriage of corporations and government. that is part of it, to be sure i have a whole chapter on fascist economics. fascism is born from a specific moment in international politics. i mean politics in the broadest sense having to do with culture and literature. in many ways, it was a response to internation

donald rumsfeld -- iraq national day. donald rumsfeld had stopped by baghdad. he was not getting messages that there was some red line here. if you had been saddam hussain's intelligence analyst and he said what you think the americans will do if we solve our economic problems and solve some of the issues in the gulf region by taking over this piece of land that thinks it is a country called kuwait? and we will call that our 19th province. if he were the intelligence analyst there is no way you would have predicted that the united states would deploy hundreds of thousands of troops, aircraft carriers, and dozens of aircraft in response. i doubt if an american intelligence analyst would have predicted that. as any intelligence is, you look at the world in a rear view mirror. if you are driving down the highway you can steer by just looking in a rear view mirror. i recommend that you try this. [laughter] if you pick a point on the mirror and you watched the lines go by anti -- and you can go well until you come to a toll booth. that is what intelligence analyst s

. >> i am puzzled by one aspect of the relationship between the two men in that dave erred herbert donald mentioned in in his biography of lincoln and that douglass supported john fremont as independent candidate for the presidency in august and september 64 and so my question is, if lincoln is moving toward a douglass' position on forming blocs, pushing the 13th amendment, why doesn't douglass support lincoln as president before fremont drops out? can i great question. douglass when fremont runs as a more radical candidate in 1864 frederick douglass light fremont a locked because in the beginning of the war fremont issues of first emancipation proclamation in august 1861, lincoln rebel said and done was initially as the champion of fremont because fremont is his political views better than lincoln us. after douglass' meeting with lincoln he is profoundly moved to the degree to which lincoln headed slightly more than douglass imagine, for the next few weeks douglass continues to support fremont and doesn't try to hide it from lincoln. i think is a characteristic of their friendship. he di

donald rumsfeld gave saddam hussein the material to gas the kurds. we gave that to him under reagan. we supported him. my first complaint was why should we just give it to them? we should have sold it to them during my second complete was why we were harming both iran and iraq. that was none of our business. even though i agreed with some of the things you said, my biggest complaint is that fascism is what we saw. towards the end of the years, all of my friends agreed with me. i have one friend that has street kids in the military. i cannot repeat what she said about bush. she was one of his strongest supporters. host: the book is called "liberal fascism." guest: there was a lot in that call. i do not think even webster's says that fascism is the marriage of corporations and government. that is part of it, to be sure i have a whole chapter on fascist economics. fascism is born from a specific moment in international politics. i mean politics in the broadest sense having to do with culture and literature. in many ways, it was a response to internation

donald rumsfeld gave saddam hussein the material to gas the kurds. we gave that to him under reagan. we supported him. my first complaint was why should we just give it to them? we should have sold it to them during my second complete was why we were harming both iran and iraq. that was none of our business. even though i agreed with some of the things you said, my biggest complaint is that fascism is what we saw. towards the end of the years, all of my friends agreed with me. i have one friend that has street kids in the military. i cannot repeat what she said about bush. she was one of his strongest supporters. host: the book is called "liberal fascism." guest: there was a lot in that call. i do not think even webster's says that fascism is the marriage of corporations and government. that is part of it, to be sure i have a whole chapter on fascist economics. fascism is born from a specific moment in international politics. i mean politics in the broadest sense having to do with culture and literature. in many ways, it was a response to internation

. >> reporter: what carolina galino and barbara donald son did was create deployed t's. it started at this bone yard in arizona where pieces of planes that had been in war zones are cut up. and stamped into military-style dog tags. on the back, each tag is etched with a message of peace. >> we wanted to quote things from famous people. jimmy hendrix is popular. >> president kennedy, john lennon, are just some of those quoted on the tags. organizers hope the me men toes will [ inaudible ] and the proceeds go to a wore any cause at home. deploy peace proceeds come to the fisher house foundation which like the ronald mcdonald house for sick children provides military families with a free place to stay near veterans hospitals while their loved ones ar recovering from their injuries. >> reporter: the fisher house provides a home away from home. we have 21 rooms here. we have a community kitchen. we have a learning facility here. >> sometimes families will come and they don't have anything other than the clothes on their back and a little money in their pocket and we can help

including the 10 year and departure of his and my very controversial boss donald rumsfeld for although he does not refer to the burgeoning scholarship on intelligence and leadership style his work and conclusions are consistent with the body of literature that has emerged. i am sure he would agree with princeton university fred greene stain who studied the presidential differences concludes quote emotional intelligence may be the most successful of failure -- factor in the warehouse am aware of the presidential contender that has what emotional intelligence all else may turn to ashes by hope of the spirit of presidential transition folks in the new ministration will find time to consult beaters thoughtful book. his insistence on the necessity of preserving their president's ability to have real choice among alternatives, the danger of policy making by consensus, monitoring policy constantly and keeping the discussions of the principles and deputies the strategic level or cautionary notes that would serve any administration well. it makes a tremendous companion piece it is a shameless p

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research and as i said earlier, they have over a million visitors a year and the center we are in, the donald w. reynolds museum and education center, was open just in 2006, if you come here you can still tour the mansion itself but then, can spend much time, inside this very rich gallery and theater here, and as we are talking today you will see some of the folks who are visiting mt. vernon around us because we're in one of the exhibit rooms here, that depicts washington's daily life and people are touring as we are talking and we are really part of mt. vernon's whole operations here today. for john ferling, let's take our first phone call from boston, this is john on the line with us. here on the air. >> caller: yes. i would like to ask mr. ferling, when the british shifted their focus of operations to the south, and -- in 1778, what person or persons made that decision? >> guest: well, i think it was a decision that was made by the british ministry by the largely by lord george germane, the american secretary, responsible for american affairs and tantamount to what we would thing of as sec

i read a lot of bruce's books on the civil war but donald's book was a collection of essays on lincoln and i think he took different topics related to lincoln and then boroughed into every aspect of those topics. some of them wound up being critical of lincoln. some of them took new view points. different view points about lincoln. and i think i was probably 21 or 22 years old when i read the book and i think it was one of those things that was informative for me about what historians do and made me want to be a historian and do something like david donald did. he went on to eventually not too long ago. i mean, he's deceased now but i think about 10 years ago he wrote an extraordinarily good biography. of washington and he was one of the major historians of the civil war period. >> he wrote a biography of washington or of lincoln? >> guest: i'm sorry of lincoln. >> host: we have 15 nurts left in our discussion with john ferling live from mount vernon. next call is from joan and she's watching us in flagstaff. >> caller: yes, mr. ferling thank you for taking all this time for research a

anything to get elected -- donald rumsfeld. i said, if i may, can i go in and tell him. he said, you can go right on ahead. i went on to see the president and told him we were not doing enough to get elected. he said, "well, i figure this credit the party thinks i should be nominated, they will nominate me. if the country thinks i should be elected, they will let me." that is the web have always done in my congressional district. -- that is the way i have always done its in my congressional district. he had to go out and get the delegates. still, we did not do anything until reagan. reagan is running and we needed to get going. the only thing that president ford [uninteligible] the worst thing you could do with ford was to tell him that sunday would help him politically because it would almost always do the other thing. -- was to tell him that something would help him politically. president ford said kissinger to south africa, i believe, and everyone said it was a disaster. the president said it was the right thing to do. we ha

i read a lot of bruce's books on the civil war but donald's book was a collection of essays on lincoln and i think he took different topics related to lincoln and then boroughed into every aspect of those topics. some of them wound up being critical of lincoln. some of them took new view points. different view points about lincoln. and i think i was probably 21 or 22 years old when i read the book and i think it was one of those things that was informative for me about what historians do and made pÑ!ç this time for research and writing this book. i can't wait to get there's a story i've heard about george washington for many years. i haven't been able to read about it. maybe just one of those mythical things. that before the crossing of the delaware he was so worried about the crossing and that he had a vision of how to achieve it and the vision of the future of america and i've never been able to find him anywhere to read about that. is that just one of those stories that go around? >> guest: yeah, i think it probably is a story. washington was in desperate straights towards the end