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john heilemann, i start with you, my friend. >> hi, nicole. do you have a question? you just want me to talk? >> as always, we were texting, and just pick up on what garrett and i were talking about. they are now contorting themselves, which if you work on campaigns, once people are contorting themselves to not so brutally be hypocritical as in contradicting a position they had 12 hours ago, you know that the democratic house impeachment managers have left a mark. >> yeah, i think that they've obviously left a mark, nicole, and i think, you know, the -- the -- last night, after the first day of the trial, of the prosecution case, i was up on capitol hill and talking to some people, including a democratic senator who is someone who has worked with republicans a lot over the years, and this person said to me that the big revelation to him of the day -- the two big revelations. the first was something that you were talking about with jackie speier before. even a month later the senator said he did not realize how close he came to being in harm's way and that had shaken

. >> our friend john heilemann joins this conversation. pick up on what claire is talking about. we're in this sort of underneath the looking glass world where we are affirmed that we're on the right track when we hear a far-right conservative say the same thing. that was the impact of right-wing conservative lawyer chuck cooper's op-ed in the "wall street journal." that was the impact of republican senator cassidy from louisiana coming out and affirming that what we all saw with our own eyes was indeed what we saw with our own eyes. but if you can pick up on the abdication of hearing and listening and participating. i mean, these were nonparticipation moves by many of the republicans who rifled papers and refused to look up. and i have not heard any reporting or any interviews where any of them suggested they were anywhere other than barricaded inside their own offices. where does this new fact immune posture come from? in a post-trump gop. >> well, yeah, i mean, unfortunately, nicole, it's not new. it's been creeping into the republican party for not just -- we always like to c