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. >> couple days ago i did an interview with bernie sanders, john heilemann and i did and asked him "is it ever appropriate for a president to lie?" he paused but then he said no. and i think the contrast is he was never a lawyer at the rose law firm questioned in front of a grand jury and who knows every word she ever says is skr scrutinized. so there's an uncomfortableness that i think is a product of what she's been through. i agree with mike, it's a reflection of her ability to communicate with the american people in a way that even her owned a visors will say her biggest problem to become the next president is a question of whether people trust her to tell the truth, whether she's honest. so that answer was a reflection of her predicament and compounded her predicament. >> it also unfortunately is the product of 30, 35, 40 years of the clintons or the clinton supporters deliberately lying to investigators, deliberately lying to people on capitol hill, deliberately lying to people all around them as maureen dowd said, most of their scars are self-inflicted and i say that because i

heilemann. >> thank god you added south carolina to that one for john heilemann. >> right. exactly. you never want just columbia. >> he's usually not the right state of mind. >> so tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern, joe and i -- joe, that's me, and kmmika is here. we'll be sitting down with donald trump for an exclusive town hall event in charleston, south carolina. >> you can go by yourself if you want. >> just three days, mika. just three days. >> that's what makes this interesting. we're down to the wire here with the historic south carolina showdown and donald trump is going to answer any questions, all questions from us and south carolina voters. that's tonight at 8:00. if you have a question for mr. trump, tweet us using the hashtag "trumpsctownhall. ". >> what's the question you'd like to know? >> i want to know the three people he'll surround himself with foreign policy. >> write that down, that's good. >>> this is a really good day -- i'm serious about this -- to have jon meacham here. >> it is. because he's going to talk about chai shays' rebellion again. >> it stuck w

and i just wonder, john heilemann, if ted cruz's ads are being too clever by half. you started with the donald trump ad with the kids playing with the trump action doll which, you know, makes you laugh. >> funny. >> funny, imminent domain, they trashed that. >> and the parents are scared. >> then you got the porn star ad that ted cruz put out and now you got this -- again, for 12 of us that saw, love, and worship "office space," we get that. i'm guessing 98% of voters in the primary, older voters especially, don't understand why he's swearing, having a rapper swear in an ad. it just seems like he's being too clever by half here. >> sure, although, look, the environment that we've had for the last couple months is that the airwaves are so jammed with ads right now this almost nothing is breaking through. and in voters already are sick of seeing political ads on their tvs all night long in places like iowa, new hampshire, and now south carolina. so i think for a lot of campaigns and for super pacs the notion is how do we break through with something that's going to dr

the same bush fatigue that john heilemann and i found in our focus groups in iowa and new hampshire. very down on the notion of a third bush. we showed them a clip of jeb bush talking about national security which he, along with lindsey graham, his big backer now, are emphasizing and they loved it when they saw bush talking about national security, they said "that was very strong." they were surprised. they see him largely the way donald trump has painted him, as a weak person. but i think jeb bush can be encouraged, this long time between now and the primary, if people can see him, particularly talking about security, i think his -- he maybe can change some minds here. but, again, there was that stubborn bush fatigue. they like -- whether they liked his father and brother or not, they group did not want a third bush. >> let's listen to what the group had to say about ted cruz. take a look. >> ted cruz? >> trustworthy. >> very good appeal. >> believable. >> i like that he knows the constitution inside and out. >> steadfast. >> likable. >> when he stands for something, he's like a pit

what did you see, john heilemann, yesterday? >> i was with these guys last night at the trump rally. yesterday we saw bernie sanders in the morning. hillary clinton in the early afternoon and donald trump at night, all within this -- the greater manchester, nashua, area. i was struck by trump last night. i had seen him in the course of the week. we talked in exeter, he seemed a little tight and worried. they were hearing and seeing in the internal numbers a little bit a sign that he might be fading a little bit. by the end of the week, early this part of the week i think he's incredibly confident. he seems to be a different man than he was last thursday or friday. >> yes. got a rhythm. >> it's what we all noticed last night. i think, mark, they find themselves in an interesting situation. they are still chasing to buy iowa. they show polls that show them 15 or 20 points ahead. don't show them polls that show that. they'll go, we were ahead in iowa too. >> they want to bank a victory. donald trump is correct. he is a first-time p

[ cheers and applause ] >> we have the editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin and john heilemann, "the game change" boys, "the circus." all that with all due respect. >>> over the weekend, marco rubio stumbled -- >> did you introduce willie? >> oh, willie, joe, and me. [ cheers and applause ] >> we're family. the family. >> willie is not an afterthought. did you see this, willie? >> i did. >> wait a minute, your daughter walked in the room. and what happened? >> this was one of the tweets of the night. >> let's replay what he said and i'll tell you about the tweet. >> he was asked about his accomplishments after what happened in our show last week. >> the rick santorum debacle. >> you asked supporter rick santorum -- >> it was a very mean question that i asked. let's just say it was personal, deeply personal of me to ask "name one accomplishment." >> you just said very nicely -- >> i call mid-mom. >> you said "can you name one accomplishment." >> it was a softball question. >> it was a the biggest softball question. >> anyhow, rubio then gave a canned answer over and over in a bru

and not only in her pocket, john heilemann, but for the campaign as well. the clintons have used wall street as a cash register for 25 years now. >> and i think the problem -- joe, what the clinton campaign and what secretary clinton wants to say is, look, you can't point to bribes, you can't prototo quid pro quos, you can't point to significant policies where i caved on wall street, i'm in favor of dodd-frank, that reformed wall street and it's fair enough she makes that point, actually, i think, the problem for her is that if you ask the question why were you paid hundreds of thousands of dollars and why did you keep doing these things in the context of knowing you were going to run for president and that it might create an appearance of impropriety at a minimum, the only answer is because i wanted the money. it doesn't point to corruption, it just points to greed and there's nothing wrong with making money, but she made an awful lot of it. and the fact is the speeches she gave i don't know if there's anything incriminating in the crypts but the speeches

john heilemann, let's start with you this morning. the democratic side, we'll start there. was it a win for hillary clinton? was it a draw? what does momentum look like on the ground in new hampshire? >> well, joe, it's going to be something up here. you know, last night you had the sanders and clinton campaign planes, i flew out here from des moines with bernie sanders and his wife jane on the sanders plane. the sanders and clinton planes were practically side-by-side on the tarmac this morning at about 5:00 a.m., 4:30 a.m. in manchester. one plane deplaning while the other was deplaning the press buses particularly on a collision course. it's so interesting because in many ways bernie sanders was not the candidate that hillary clinton was running against new hampshire would be home turf for the clintons. this is familiar territory for them, the place that propelled at the beginning bill clinton to the nomination in 1992, the place where hillary staged her great come back in 2008. they know this state, they have deep roots here, they understand the politics, they know this

managing editors of bloomberg politics, mark halperin and john heilemann along with willie, joe and me. we have a lot of guests coming up. let's get right to the polls. how is it looking. >> the day of the caucus, the poll that's often rald heralded the cream of the crop, the poll that's gotten it right since 1988 except for rick santorum's upset victory is the "des moines register" bloomberg poll. this is how tight the race is. donald trump. >> he's got the edge 28% to senator ted cruz's 23%. an eight-point swing in two weeks that gives trump a lead just outside the margin of error. senator marco rubio is in third at 15%. ben carson still afloat with 10% in fourth place and senator rand paul at 5%, chris christie at 3%. and the rest of the pack at next to nothing. mark halperin, i always look at trend line. three trend lines at the very top there, trump way up, cruz down as he is in most polls and marco rubio flat lining. >> yeah, i mean, look, that's a snapshot of where the race is, let's see what the turnout is like. a big turnout helps trump, a very evangelical turnout helps cruz b