i mean, starting months and months ago with keystone and tpp, and those are the largest of the two shifts, but there are more subtle ones since then. you just see her adjusting rhetoric here and there. clearly they don't like to say it, but clearly sanders is pulling her to the left in this phase of the campaign. not in a huge, huge way, but, but in a real way. and it gives him o real private place to say, i was here first. >> jonathan, the president's biggest final, initial that he is hoping to get passed and achieved is the transpacific partnership. >> yeah. >> both of the democratic candidates oppose it, but only one of them used to be his secretary of state. and used to be completely in favor of it, calling it the gold standard, now, having supported every presidential trade agreement prior to this one, now hillary clinton opposes it. >> well, it reminds me of bill clinton's position on nafta in 1992. i can remember trying to pin him down on this. it was like pinning down jell-o. all through the '92 campaign, for political reasons he wouldn't take a position on that, against it, and s
vice president biden is not progressive because he supported keystone. senator shaheen is not progressive because she supports the trade pac. even the late great senator wellstone would not fit this position because he voted for doma. we have differences and honest will i i think she would be talking about what we want to do for the country. but if we get into labels i don't think it was progressive to vote against the brady bill five times. i don't think it was progressive to give gun makers and sellers immunit immunity. i don't think it was progressive to vote against ted kennedy's immigration reform. we can go back and forth like this. but the fact is most people watching tonight want to know what we've done and what we will do, that's why i am laying out a specific agenda that will make progress, get more jobs with rising incomes, get us to universal health care coverage, get us to universal pre-k, paid family leave, and the other elements of what i think will build a strong economy that will ensure that americans keep making progress. that's what i'
vice president biden is not progressive because he supported keystone. >> she was in ohio i think in september and november. and she got up and said something like, i have been -- i'm paraphrasing. i have been criticized because people think i'm a moderate. well, i am a moderate. that's where this came from. it wasn't me paraphrasing. it is what she said. and all that i said is there's nothing wrong with being a moderate. but you can't be a moderate, you can't be a progressive. >> and joining us now is howard dean, the former governor of vermont, former chairman of the democratic national committee. joining us as well, charlie pierce, the lead political blogger for esquire.com. and back with us is gene robinson. charlie, you're following these guys around. you were with hillary clinton today. she had this event up there in concord. what is she doing right now to try to close this gap? saw this eight years ago. came back, beat barack obama. are you seeing that happen again? >> i wasn't in concord. i was at another event she had done at new england college, which was just a q&a. she sa
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