. >> mr. stenger, did you get the report? >> no. >> mr. irving? >> i did not. >> then there's the issue of what took the national guard so long to get on the scene. acting chief of d.c. police robert contee said the first guard members didn't show up until 4 and a half hours until after his initial request. >> chief sund was pleading for the deployment of the national guard. and in response to that, there was not an immediate yes. the national guard is responding. yes, the national guard is on the way. the response was more asking about the plan, what was the plan for the national guard. the response was more focussed on in addition to the plan the optics about how this looks with boots on the ground on the capitol. and my response to that was simply, i was just stunned that, i have officers that were out there literally fighting for their lives and, you know, we're kind of going through what seemed like an exercise to really check the boxes. and there was not an immediate response. >> let me be clear, optics as portrayed in the media played no ro

"i was advised by mr. irving that he'd need to run it up the chain of command." now, irving pushed back against sund's account saying he did not recall speaking to him at that time, had no record of any phone calls or text messages from sund and never said he had to run sund's request up the chain of command. instead of reaching an agreement about what went wrong so we can stop something like this from happening again, those men were apparently quite focused on saving what is left of their reputations after this catastrophic failure we all watched on national television. and speaking of reputation saving senator ted cruz fresh off that now notorious and probably not all that relaxing trip to cancun who led a push in the senate to overturn joe biden's election, to deny him the seating of electors and voted to do that even after the attack, had this to say about preventable behavior. >> this hearing is nonetheless productive for analyzing the security decisions and law enforcement decisions that were made realtime and for learning from them what can be done differe

mr. irving? >> senator, from my recollection, i did not receive a request for approval for national guard until shortly after 2:00 p.m. when i was in michael steger's office. >> let me get that straightened out. mr. sund, do you know when you asked for national guard assistance? was it 1:09, or was it 2:00 p.m.?dofoce >> it was 1:09, sir. >> and who did you ask for assistance? >> it was from mr. irving. i believe he was in the company of mr. steger. >> why would you not remember that, mr. irving? >> senator, i have no recollection of a conversation with chief sund at that time. ie ou i did not get a request at 1:09 that i can remember. the first conversation i had co with chief sund in that time frame was 1:28, 1:30, and at that -- in that conversation, he indicated that conditions were deteriorating. he might be looking for national guard approval and approval of our mutual aid agreements with local law enforcement. >> the chief of washington, d.c.'s, police department robert conte expressed his

i want to move to a question to mr. irving and mr. sund. the secretary of homeland security has the authority to designate events with national and international significance as national special security events. but that didn't happen for january 6th, even given the threat information readily available ahead of time. designated events are eligible for expanded federal support related to the security of the events. so prior to january 6th did anyone from the department of homeland security contact you about a potential national special security event designation? and we'll start with you, mr. sund, and then move to the others. >> thank you, ma'am. no, i am not aware of anyone from dhs reaching out, if we were going to request that to be a national security event or if they were going to identify and designate what they call a special event rating to the event, no, i'm not aware. >> thank you, mr. stanger and mr. irving. >> no one contacted me. >> thank you. >> and the same with me, senator, no contact with me or my office. >> thank you for t