jennifer: it is a piece that charlie kaufman wrote. charlie: i love charlie kaufman. jennifer: he's wonderful. we did it -- charlie: he directed it. jennifer: he codirected it with duke johnson. it is a stop motion animated movie done with puppets. we did it originally at ucla. it was two nights. the characters are so beautiful. it is funny but also very moving and sad. i didn't want it to end. eight years later he called me and said we are going to do it as a stop motion animated movie. we voiced it in three days in a dark room like this. incredibly intimate. lovely focus. and, two years later it came out. during that two years, they could shoot two seconds a day. unbelievable. it is painstaking work. every time a puppet blinks or does this, someone has to go in and move the puppet. two seconds was a good day. there is a sex scene that is incredibly explicit and awkward and real. that took them six months to shoot. charlie: who is lisa? jennifer: she is a very sort of average girl, a very sweet girl. she has a little bit of a scar on her face. she is self-conscious.

charlie: is she your hero? >> yeah. charlie: one of them? >> i like attributes of people, because everybody messes up. it is better to take an attribute than a specific person. charlie: what about your father? what does he have? >> creativity. charlie: have they lead you to believe that everything is possible? >> yes. charlie: that whatever marley wants, she can achieve. >> yes. 100%. charlie: he said you can express your emotions when you read. >> when you read a book from a person with a lot of words, you will learn to say those things if you feel the same way they did. charlie: when you write, do you write well? >> i think i am a very good writer. charlie: so how about acting? do you like it? >> i told my mom that i wanted to become an actress. i still do, but not full-time. charlie: you will act on the side. [laughter] >> i am a signed actress and a signed model for an acting agency. charlie: you are a model? what about sports? >> i am into sports but not as much now because my life blew up. in the spring i hope to continue running. char

charlie: next month? ted: yes. charlie: he will make a ruling? ted: it is a she. she will presumably make a ruling. that ruling would be appealable to a federal judge. appeals code follows from that. depending on who prevails. i -- charlie: ipad mini of -- i have had many conversations about this. they say they want a one time only fix by apple, which they are capable of doing, and that is it. they want apple to do it, apple to destroy what they do, end of story. ted: have you asked the justice department to tell you on camera that they were only going to ask this one time? we know that they are seeking it in other places. the same relief and other places, in other cases. cyrus vance told you last week that he had 175 cell phones, that he wanted the same remedy. he wanted the structure of the cell phone to be changed to make it a defective device, not the device that apple designed, so they can hack into the system. this is potentially happening everywhere. while the justice department is saying, we only want to break the rules this one time, it is simply not true

charlie: we can't either. guest: i think we have and we have shown that we have the leading role to play in mobilizing others. there is something else that is powerful. we may be disputed or not doing enough of this or that. when i go around the world, countries continue to look to us first, but beyond that, there is an extraordinarily powerful attraction that the united sbrupe.ields through, arlie: those are things that happened in the last four years and calling off the strike and hat you evolved in and the chemical agreement, things that our friends have called into question. is america still prepared to be there when we need them? guest: there is an argument that we have been disengaged. two things, we are more engaged in more places. the argument is about the nature of our engagements. the president has said we need o do this in a smartest most sustainable way possible i believe. a light footprint but effectively. charlie: pleasure to have you here. deputy secretary of state for america. states of we'll s

>> from our studios in new york city, this is contract charlie rose" charlie: senator bernie sanders is here. he is, as you know, a candidate for the democratic candidate for president. he refers to himself as a democratic socialist. former secretary of state hillary clinton currently leads him in the polls but sanders has continued to draw huge crowds. he and clinton spoke at the jefferson-jackson dinner on sunday in iowa. bernie: today some are trying to rewrite history by saying they voted for one anti-gay law for something worse. that's not the occasion and let me be clear about the current trade deal we are debating in congress, the transpacific partnership. that agreement is not now nor has it ever been the gold standard of trailed agreements. to tell you joy that much of what i predicted about iraq turned out to be right. doesn't give me any joy at all. but that was a tough vote. i came to that fork in the road and i took the right road even though it was not popular at that time. i will not abandon any segment of american society, whether you're gay or plaque or latino, poor

charlie: it does. because in the early days of satellite television, everybody -- the incumbents said, "well, why would satellite tv -- why would anybody pay for a satellite dish?" all right? the answer was pretty simple -- it was better picture quality. it was all digital. it was interactive guide. it was less expensive. the bundles were smaller so you had a little bit more choices as a consumer. the signal quality was more reliable. it was a better picture. hd tv was more prevelent with satellite. and so now people are asking the question, why would you pay for ott? and there are similarities. ott eliminates some of the pain points. we have 10 million to 15 million broadband homes in the united states who don't pay for tv. all right? as we know it. they may pay for netflix or hulu, but they do not pay for tv as we know it. so we take away some of those pain points with sling tv. so you do not have a contract, you don't have equipment to buy, normally. you can go on vacation and take your service off

charlie: and donald trump. did his nonappearance in the debate leading into the iowa caucuses, and the fact that it did not do as well as expected in diyala caucuses, do anything to slow him down in any way that might not be decipherable in the pulpit results that we have so far? john: i think there is a clear sense, if you're up here right now, on the ground, there is no doubt that among all of the other republican candidates -- campaigns, there is a sense that donald trump and their private survey data, and if they gator -- they have a sense that some of the air has come out of the trampoline. the public data does not to that very much. he is still in the lead by almost all accounts. he is clearly deflating a little bit. the question is, there is a political element of this anti-psychic elements of this with donald trump. it is why i think it matters a lot if he wins here or does not. i think if he finishes second or margaritas about them, you could see a lot of air command of the bubble real quick. mark: if

jennifer: it is a piece that charlie kaufman wrote. charlie: i love charlie kaufman. jennifer: he's wonderful. we did it initially as -- charlie: he directed it? jennifer: he codirected it with duke johnson. it is a stop motion animated movie with puppets. we did it originally at ucla. it was two nights. the characters are so beautiful. also -- it is funny, but very moving and sad. i didn't want it to end. and then eight years later he , called me and said we are going to do it as a stop motion animated movie. we voiced it in three days in a dark room like this. incredibly intimate. it was lovely, that kind of focus. and, two years later it came out. during that two years, they could shoot two seconds a day. unbelievable. it is painstaking work. every time a puppet blinks or does this, someone has to go in and move the puppet. two seconds was a good day. there is a sex scene that is incredibly explicit and awkward and real. that took them six months to shoot. charlie: who is lisa? jennifer: she is a very sort of average girl, a very sweet girl. she has a little bit of

charlie: thank you. stay with us. ♪ charlie: we continue with politics on the eve of the new hampshire primary. joining me from manchester, a great group of political observers. robert costa of the "washington post." stuart stevens is a columnist from "the daily beast." he was a top advisor to mitt romney's presidential campaign in 2012. patrick healy is a national political correspondent for "the new york times." jonathan alter is an msnbc analyst and daily beast columnist. i am pleased to have all of them this evening. i begin with robert costa. ert: charlie. charlie: how do you see this the night before they vote? robert: great to be with you. think back to pat buchanan's campaign. he ran as a populist treat someone against illegal immigration. of that.eing echoes a sense that this is a working-class state. the buchanan coalition seems to be coming back together. he has a large lead. his campaign manager hails from here. charlie: stuart stevens, somebody said to me they thought john kasich won the d

charlie: you kept a diary? >> never. charlie: why not? you are a man of letters. >> i never had daily thoughts. charlie: is that necessary to keep a diary? >> i don't know. but one thing i did that was unusual -- and donald put me onto this. he said, if you want to change your writing, turn the paper around and just start writing across whatever is on your mind. cross writing. you can start cross writing and say i meant that based on so in so-and-so, or a funny thing happened, or great weather on tuesday. start going across. it's entirely different. it's not what you would write if you are writing this way. i used to do that. and fill in my thoughts. sometimes i have written 10 or 12 pages long and about what has happened in the last few years. but not as a regular thing. charlie: it seems to me, first of all, whoever said i don't know what i think until i see what i wrote -- whoever said that -- >> i am trying to go somewhere. charlie: when you are writing a sentence, you are trying to go somewhere. >> i am trying to talk to the invisibl

charlie: keep the sanctions? sec. carter: yeah. charlie: let me talk about china. what is their intent and what do we intend to do if their intent crosses a line? sec. carter: they have said that they have claim to the territorial seas and the south china seas. they are not the only ones. the philippines, vietnam, and malaysia who have long-standing claims to this part of the south china sea. what a number of them have done but china most aggressively is first of all take land features that were not islands and put a dredging machine and try to create an island, creating a de facto presence for themselves. the chinese are not the only ones doing that. our diplomatic position is that we do not take a legal position but, we don't think people ought to militarize features. and what are the effects of the chinese? two major effects. they are causing us to react, and we are making big investments in that. in the military capabilities that allow us to be the pivotal military power. charlie: we are doing everything necessary to be the pivotal military power in china's nei

charlie: wow. kevin: and that's one of the reasons why these, no matter what happens to me in my life and all of the sort of outward success that happens, i don't ever want to be too far away from that feeling, because i'm one of those kids, and i know, you know, what it meant to me when i was 13 years old and jack lemmon put his hand on my shoulder and said, you are a born actor and you should go to new york and do this. ♪ charlie: how influential was he? kevin: huge. charlie: just that, though, the friendship? kevin: later on, having met him work with him to professionally. he became like my father. he said, you are a natural actor. go to new york and study. you were born to do this. i did go to new york and study, and it has become my career. and whenever i find myself in these extraordinary circumstances, where i see somebody who so clearly has talent and so clearly, if they are nurtured and encouraged, if they are guided in some way, they will have a remarkable career ahead of them. charlie:

charlie. it's great to be here. charlie: let me talk about your career. you were an engineer. i think you went up as an analyst in silicon valley? >> yes, after business, i went to silicon valley when i was a goldman. charlie: then, hank, who was the ceo of goldman sachs, goes to treasury. did you write him a letter or call him up? him up.led i met women once for ten minutes. to washington let's talked. he was not yet confirmed. in there as a pitch. i want to you hire me. he said stop with your pitch, i somebody on my team that will do whatever needs to get done. i said perfect. me up. this is a year before the financial crisis. none of us saw it coming. charlie: you had deep involvement in the introduction. that's over. hank leaves as secretary of the treasury. to california.k we're wondering what you will do. you run for public office. served in public office. running for governor. i looked around the country, i saw a lot of people running for office. i thought if they can do it, why can't d

charlie: which are? depending on who the president nominates, you could easily offend a substantial portion of the electorate. in addition, there probably will constraint on the president to appoint someone who is not too far towards the liberal side in order to get that person confirmed. if a democrat wins in this election, that constraint may not exist. they may get someone who is even more liberal. charlie: the force of his arguments, are they in the ascendancy or not? i would say not. when justice thomas joined the court, it looked like there was a second originalist. alitoustice roberts and are more pragmatic. i am not sure we are going to have an authentic originalist nominated should a republican candidate win. who was his intellectual antagonist? adam: justice breyer. he and breyer went back and forth so much in arguments that -- chieflly, the justice would say, jump in anytime you like. how many times would he ask questions when you are arguing before the court? how does that work? david: he wou

charlie: bill gates: charlie: is this your biggest passion? bill gates: is the long lead time thing that requires so much coordination science and politics come together. and very fascinated by it. i still have polio eradication and our health stocks as the things were i feel like we're on track and know what to do. this one's in the category of great importance and if you wait 20 years to get started, then the time that it takes to invest and change the system, you are really going to miss the window. it has a funny urgency even though the damage is not that dramatic. charlie: you have to get it started. you believe that you can get to zero by the beginning of the next century? bill gates: i believe innovation -- there are so many paths, over a dozen different paths and we only need one to work to give us this cheap and reliable energy that yes, then you have to deploy that and get to these wildly ambitious goals. charlie: you talk about a energy miracle, what would that be? bill gates: anything that is half the price of today's energy, cheap

charlie: thank you. alan: thanks, charlie. charlie: alan gilbert for the hour. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪ announcer: "brilliant ideas," powered by hyundai motors. ♪ narrator: the contemporary art world is vibrant and booming as never before. it's a 21st century phenomenon, a global industry in its own right. "brilliant ideas" looks at the

charlie: thank you all very much. ♪ charlie rose: danny bowien is charlie rose: danny bowien was named the rising star chef of the year by the james beard foundation in 2013. his new book is called "the mission chinese food cookbook." david chang calls it "the portrait of an artist still in progress. i am pleased to have danny bowien at this table. danny bowien: i am pleased to be here. charlie: david chang is god around here. god. danny: he is an angel. charlie: for us, he is god. this is what he said in the forward to this book. "i tried his food in san francisco before coming to new york. to be honest, i was upset this guy was doing something i wanted to do forever. but i got over my anger relatively quickly when i saw how well he was executing it. danny is genuinely innovative in how he thinks about chinese cooking." god. danny: from god. charlie: [laughter] danny: he is amazing. he was instrumental in me getting over a lot of fear of opening in new york. and just kind of going for it. you look at this guy was just going for it. it definitely helped when you come to new york and he

charlie: stay with us. charlie: alan gilbert is here. he served as the new york director of philharmonic since 2009. he announced he would step down in 2017. antemporary music has been focus of his tenure. omasini wrote, more than any of his predecessors since leonard orenstein he has try to expand the template for what a major orchestra can be. here is a look. ♪ charlie: the new york philharmonic celebrates its anniversary this year. i am please to have alan gilbert at this table. use this as a chance to do a valedictory conversation about your time here at the philharmonic. >> it cracks me up to see that video because even now after we a number ofat and other projects that have been out of the box, in a way that has hopefully made it a bigger box -- it is sort of what we do. it is still amazing to me that we did that. those are the musicians of the new york philharmonic. they are inhabiting the roles of the ballet. that of thisote outdoor fair, winter russia. you saw my silk jacket. i played the part of the magician 10 years ago and

charlie: four million people. charlie: assaad is the main recruiting tool. retake most you will that will have a significant impact of what happens in syria and assaad. guest: what is important, there are two bases and the heart of the self-declared caliphate is that. the reason that daesh has succeeded is creating the perception the home base that it is marching forward that it is 10 feet tall. if you take away that foundation, it will begin to crumble. affiliates that are preexisting targets, money will slow down. and getting at their core is so important. charlie: so what are we prepared to do? before you answer that, who is it that we are supporting there? and who are the rebel groups? and same rebel groups or new groups? and how many are there? and how many are there? we used to talk about the free syrian army? how strong are they? guest: we have worked over the last four years in trying to identify, engage and support and also help coordinate. so-called moderate opposition, people who were op owesed to the regime but did not sign on. but the numbers ar

charlie: hooked. danny i was hooked. : but not only on culinary school, but just that san francisco was amazing city. but yes, i did rush out of oklahoma. charlie: this is what anthony bourdain has said about you. and a few others. "mostly first-generation immigrants from asia are changing, redefining, and defining forever what american cuisine really is." danny: that is nuts. charlie: nuts? danny this is crazy for me to : hear, chang and bourdain. these people are, like -- charlie: they think you have got something. danny: i mean, they have something for sure. charlie: but they think you have got something. danny: i think i have something too, finally. charlie: did success prove it to you? danny: i think success proved it to me. i think failure proves it to you, too. bourdain and chang, it gets me every time. charlie: what is it that draws these people do you? you share something. danny: it is a non-spoken thing. we are all chefs. we are all creative. with them and me, i have no idea. six years ago,

charlie: we. maggie: we and you. charlie: how do you explain it that she does not have a narrative or a message? she has done nothing but make speeches since she gave up secretary of state. maggie: you can make the case she is over prepared. inputs and they tend to become overwhelming. she does not have a sense of politics. she does not get the inherent rhythms, which i'm sort of regretting saying it, because we compare her to her husband, which is not fair. she is different. there are certain skills he had said in terms of -- charlie: or has had. maggie: what he has never been been a goodhe has surrogate for other people. as for her, she knows what she wants to do in office. she is not good at articulating that. she likes to talk about the past a lot. charlie: is it she still the favorite? maggie: she is because bernie sanders has negatives that would make it hard for him. he has to pass the commander in chief test. foreign policy discussion was challenging for him. that is a major -- on iraq i was right judgment. m

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charlie rose: we begin with politics. donald trump and bernie sanders were the big winners in new hampshire. chris christie announced that he would suspend his campaign. performance also led carly fiorina to suspend her campaign. the battle now shifts to south carolina. and nevada. maggie haberman of the new york times is here. annie carney and nate silver. i'm pleased to have them at this table. coming out of new hampshire. bernie sanders has proven that he is for real. in close inhe came iowa and one decisively in new hampshire. that means he's going to be well-funded going forward. he is not a member of the democratic party. but he can say that he has the energy and enthusiasm. i want across demographics. the only demographic she won was 65 and over. you had a lot of people voting against the status quo. if he wins in the nevada caucuses. that starts become something of a ripple effect. and i think it is a problem for hillary clinton. she has a lot to do. she can't go to her muscle memory which is to immediately want t

charlie: what is the crisis? matt: nobody reaches a majority of the vote and the popular vote, the popular -- charlie: a constitutional crisis? matt: the question is do we have a structure that fits the dynamic of the country, and people might wonder if we do. charlie: what happens then? matt: i hope they choose a popular choice and create a popular leader. charlie: is the mood of the country exasperation? matt: frustration, exasperation, anger. disenchantment with the way current politics runs. to have tois going change. the current clinical model will have to change. -- political model will have to change. charlie: we will be right back. stay with us. ♪ ♪ charlie: scott malcolm's and is a media fellow of the carnegie corporation. his latest book traces the growth of the internet and its response to intelligence needs. earlier this month, the intelligence agencies met with social media leaders. encryption is a concern for law enforcement. i am pleased to have scott malcolm's and at the table-- m alcomson at

charlie: thank you. alan: thanks, charlie. charlie: alan gilbert for the hour. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪ ♪ mark: i'm mark crumpton. you are watching "bloomberg west." let's start with a check of your first word news. the leaders of the roman catholic church and the russian orthodox church sought to repair a fractured that has divided christianity. the pope and patriarch signed a joint declaration on religious unity. it was the first time a pope and a russian patriarchate ever met. president obama signed a bill that will hit north korea with more stringent sanctions for refusing to stop it nuclear weapons program. democrats and republicans joined together to improve it with a vote. the vote came less than a week after the north launched a rocket carrying a satellite into space.

charlie: -- sec. carter: the iranians are a little bit like the russians were in principle if they would actually take on isil and not fuel sectarianism, or civil war -- in some hypothetical sense, you would think that an enemy like isil, who is certainly against them, that they would be against. they do not seem to be behaving that way. their principal occupation seems to be fueling sectarianism in iraq which will fail, but to the extent that they promote it, it makes it harder and slower to defeat isil. we will be on the winning side here. we will defeat isil. the united states will lead the winning side so everybody in that region looking around and wondering when it is all over -- they are all asking themselves this question, charlie. what is the chessboard going to look like when the isil piece is gone? they all need to understand that we will remember -- we will be on the winning side and we will remember who contributed and who did not. we are not out to do people favors. we are not asking for

charlie: how? >> he appealed to the most conservative voters, the evangelicals, and he's doing it the same way. i was surprised most about ted cruz. i agree he is probably the most strategic and tactical. he did not give a speech last night. that was a broader look, he basically did the exact same message, very religious and conservative. it was not expensive at all. it was like, this is you i am and i will fight it out here. >> the republican base is fundamentally aggravated that -- against people in washington who believe have compromised with the president, who are part of the process. ted cruz has stood in opposition to them, very self-consciously, obnoxiously at times. that plays with the base. i wonder with the run up to iowa, whether all this talk about how the establishment was worried about ted cruz and the establishment wanted to stop ted cruz in iowa, was not working to his benefit in some way. i think he will continue to cultivate a very aggrieved republican base for as long as he can.

what're we doing here, charlie? this is not a good plan. charlie: i had to. you broke out, charlie. okay? the cops are chasing you. i had to! okay, listen to me, listen to me. you're only making this worse for yourself. okay? it's gotta be easier... team one, just got a 911 call from kevin baines' phone. the line's open, but i can bare hear anything. covert call. kevin's in trouble. you gotta heare on this, you're being rash. talk... to you. okay, okay. don, charlie's assault, did he intend to hurt that kid? look, am i being arrested here or what? answer the question. no. he barely knew him. it was... it was just some kid who didn't know when to shut his mouth. sam: he provoked charlie. yeah, that's right. take me through it, don. through what? i gave my statement a thousand times. yoshould have no problem getting up for one more. it was late. we, uh... we'd lost a game that day. (mumbled chatter) don: we were just trying to forget about it, blow off steam. charlie'd come back from rehab maybe a month before. hey! don: he was totally different. it was hard to see him like that. toug

charlie: like what? danny: being adopted, my parents are the ones i grew up with -- they are my parents. but i felt this connection with my son lately. it's wild. charlie: i had not thought about that, adopted parents. if you are adopted and then become a parent, you feel something about the blood thing differently. danny: it is kind of crazy. it is really amazing. it's an amazing feeling that i have with my family, and my wife. charlie: so you want more. danny: i don't know about that. [laughter] new york is tough -- anywhere is tough. i think one is good for now. charlie: what's interesting about your career, did you roar out of oklahoma city into san francisco? danny: i would say i rushed out of oklahoma city. charlie: you wanted to go do things. danny: yeah, definitely. charlie: what was that thing you wanted to? you wanted to be somebody? danny: i wanted to get out of oklahoma. i did not really attend college. i tried to, and it just wasn't for me. so i played music. i was in a band for a long time.

charlie, charlie, charlie! learn to read people! many timeswhen i say no, i mean yes. now, are we partners? no. does that mean yes? no. let me rephrase that. please? i'd love you to be my partner, but i already got one. i can offer youmore than cash. i could turn thisdump into a success! so you don'tneed my money. i'll stop begging. can you change another hundred? please! i did. i'd love to have you as my partner, but i already have mr. willis. hey, everybody, let's have a party! i can't believe they'dstoop so low for money. i asked helen to come down. if she doesn't know, i must tell her. [doorbell rings] butting into otherpeople's marital affairs can only lead to trouble. your husband is an animal. hi, louise. florence, what was that all about? yes, i know. tom tells me everything. oh? excuse me. did he mention that women serve the drinks? yes, he did. and they're young? yes. and they're naked? i'm going to kill him! i'm sure the situation doesn't call for killing, does it, florence? why ask me? i don't butt into otherpeople's marital affairs. i'm sure he'lllisten to

charlie: not bipolar, just depression. -- depression alone. charlie: dr. jamison: one of the ongoing controversies was about the relationship to depression. one is temperament. there is a certain boldness, capacity high-energy for some people with bipolar. if you look at the studies, what is striking is the rapidity of thought. when people begin to get manic, they are thinking speeds up. they have more and more associations and more unusual associations. if you speed summary of that is not already -- speed somebody up that is not already creative, you are just speeding them up. but if you have somebody creative and give them this high-energy state, they are very determined to do something. going after the highest goals and aspirations. that goes along with the temperament as well. the capacity to feel. if you ask writers what the contribution of the illness is, acknowledge rising -- acknowledging the legality of it, that range of experience from ecstasy, the communal sense with the universe, and experiencing is high-stakes. and the compassion that they fee

charlie: what goes into it? what goes into this show, charlie? [laughter] good for you're really them,and, meaning for yourng for the product, striking a chord and making some meaning there. it is an entertainment platform. it is about creating meaning for people. there is definitely no formula for it. charlie: this is a commercial starring amy schumer and seth rogen. ♪ seth: you've really got to get the middle of my elbows. can you get the middle of my back? amy: there is no middle. seth: you ready? amy: you know it. you ready? seth: you know it. charlie: tell me about that. are two of the most popular comedians right now spoofing the most talked about conversation right now, the presidential election. combination that's what better combination-- what better combination than comedians and the election? charlie: take a look at this. this is the 2017 on the ridge line-- honda ridgeline. omebodyures queen's "s to love." ♪ >> ♪ each morning i get up and die a little ♪ ♪ can't even stand on my feet ♪ spent all my years believing you ♪ i

charlie: did you? goodthought i was really and then when i was 15 i got to work on this project and i realized this guy is better than me and he critiqued me and then a year and a half later i got critiqued again and i said, this that was super helpful to have my comeuppance about how did my code compare to other people's code and eventually i was a bit on my own , but yeah, i had to be pretty tough about how good you can get. charlie: my impression of you is that you did what you wanted to as a teenager? 13 my parents were and fairly busy i had a very good deal as a teenager. schoolnt it to a private . >> that was my real transition where i was thinking that fighting with them was something i could really prove something and they were smart enough to send me to somebody who said that was kind of a war that i had every advantage in. so it was a waste of my energy and i was not going to prove anything because it was almost unfair. he got me to set my sights on -- ok, what am i going to do after high sch

charlie: what spoke to you? >> it is hard to say why a character speaks to you because it is instinctive. is something that i felt and i knew who this guy was and i knew how i wanted to play him. i knew from what i had read what kind of a guy i thought he is. and i read about it. had never seen the play. i read at university and looked into it. i read something a little bit different. charlie: you are in almost every scene? how hard is it to do that? >> it is exhilarating and incredibly exhausting and difficult. once you are in it, it grabs you by the throat. starts ire the play feel like, how will we climb the mountain again? every performance i think, we are in the middle again? by the end, we have performed the play. charlie: have all of your aspirations for acting been fulfilled? >> not yet. there is still a way to go. charactern terms of or professional achievement? >> learning. with every new play and every new job in every new director, you learn something new. something else comes about. just when you th

charlie: because? alan: i love to work with students because sometimes you can get the most positive, enthusiastic energy from student musicians. i teach conducting, and we have been doing unusual repertoire. fourth symphony, a strange piece, but amazingly, you hear one measure and you think -- that's him. another piece from one of the great composers who died a couple of years ago, one of the great composers of the 20th century, you hear one measure of his music -- that's him. to me, that's the measure of a great composer. thinking of sound, can hearake a great piece and it by five of the great orchestras of the world and tell me which orchestra is playing? becausenecessarily there are other ingredients in the mix. who is conduct in, what hall they are playing in. charlie: who is conducting changes the sound? alan: you can go to a class where four or five conductors stand in front of an orchestra. note of a new on theor standing podium, the sound is incredibly changed. it's uncanny. that's what conduc

>> you'll have to ask charlie that. charlie claims that. i'm not disputing any of that. but i am just saying, hey, people are talking about this and the inquirer did a big story. this is not norbert natel saying charlie did this or that. read the inquirer. the only thing i put on my facebook is mostly what -- these are good reporters. and they're also saying that in the msd investigation, charlie's name keeps coming up. we don't hear about david mann. we don't hear about chris smitheren. amy murray. his name keeps coming up. >> this is why politics is so bad because of this man right here. because he goes around misrepresenting and he's dishonest making those statements. real republican is a code word for a lack of inclusion. he's saying he's born as a republican. what he's saying to me, look at me. look at charlie winburn, he's not a real republican. >> you used to be a democrat, weren't you charlie? you were a democrat >> i'm not welcome by him and the party. we have people like him who don't welcome hispanics and -- >> instructor: oh, come on. >> you keep talking about the inquirer

charlie. charlie? chare? he's over there. hey. hey, charlie, how you doing? it's okay, really. it's fine. they weren't violent. there were two of them. why 16 robberies exactly the same, and then this? i mean, first of all, nobody ever tried to stop them, right? and it wasn't just two guys. you know, they had four backing them up. yeah. we had no way of knowing till we confronted them. that's it. yore good to go. nothing to dad, right? charlie. dot say anything to dad. i'll take care of it, okay? you heard me, right? charm school boys. i mean, i'm sorry, they came prepared for war. davi we've got people looking to see if the same accomplic were present at those incidents as well. and there's no doubt in my mind that was a detaile ambush-and-escape plan. and didn't hesitate to kill. ( sighs) well, from what i understand, in the last five years, this office has lost only two agents in the line of fire? mm-hmm. mcknight's parents are flying in from denver tonight. i'm gonna go talk to them at the hotel. i mean, i don't know what you say to a parent about their dead son. all right,

where's charlie now? i don't know. honest. honest, i don't. where does charlie go to be alone? where else? the barn. uh... god, i don't--i don't know. hey, hotch. we got something. this was all locked in the closet. looks like it was robert wilkinson's before charlie got his hands on it. so charlie went looking for a father figure and this iwho he found. he was killing animals. it's clear he already has murderous impulses, and...finding this must have made him feel like it was... ok, like it was almost his birthright. "they like it when they get to share me." is there anything in there about where he keeps them? nothing yet. keep reading. it must be where he held them karen foley said he'd make her walk outside. you think she can handle coming back to this place? whew. i don't know. you saw her. she's buried is thing for 27 years. do we ha a choice? thank you for coming. we all know this can't be easy for you. she's been shaking the whole way here. you survived this once and it madyou stronger. you can do this, mom. [gasping] oh, god. are you ok? that smell was a part of me. wh

i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, donald trump with victories pulls away from the pack. tim cook makes his case in apple's battle with the the f.b.i. and actor kevin spacey is back just in time for the election year. >> you have no idea what it means to have nothing. you don't value what we have achieved. i have had to fight for everything my entire life. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> life keeps happening. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> you try to recreate yourself. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> to be humbled by what i do. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week donald trump solidified his lead in the republican presidential race. senate republicans blocked hear

nobody really knows for sure about charlie's motives and what he was thinking but charlie. i think he was getting more desperate to keep it all together and to keep control. >> many killers are pathological liars. they'll either tell you what you want to hear, they'll brag by admitting having done things you know they didn't or they play innocent. i think manson is different in that respect. manson has never admitted giving the orders to his followers to commit murder. he told me that he could understand that they might have wanted to please him, but he never commanded them to do anything like that. and i think, you know, we'll never know for sure, but it is very possible that he's telling the truth about that. >>> less than 24 hours after the tate murders the discovery of the five bodies makes the morning news. >> friday night in los angeles a movie actress and four of her friends were murdered. the circumstances were lurid. this was at the home of movie director roman polanski. it was his wife, sharon tate, who was one of the victims. she had been stabbed, repeated stab w