mueller decides. >> to my estimation, that would be the day to day supervision that mueller is not subject to by rosenstein. >> david, go ahead. >> i just wanted to ask a point of clarification. very helpful explanation. can we assume since the indictments have come down and they are sealed that rosenstein has already signed off on these indictments? >> my expectation is because of the way the cfr works is that mueller went to rosenstein, told him what they were going to do. rosenstein made a decision, if you will, that this was not inappropriate or unwarranted, which would prevent mueller potentially from bringing the charges, and therefore, mueller was free to bring the charges. because mueller doesn't need his approval per se -- >> we can assume he's already got rosenstein's blessing. >> well, he's got -- >> for these charges. >> well, yeah. we can use the word blessing, but he wasn't -- the charges weren't rejected by rosenstein. so rosenstein sort of has the power to reject as opposed to a power to approve. maybe that's a hair splitting difference, but that's the way the statute is se

he cannot say that without knowing what mueller knows, and he does not know what mueller knows. so we have the -- every time he tells that lie, and we have to step back and say he's lying. he seems to believe he tells a lie often enough, some people will start to believe it. >> it's always about -- i've had people, you know, stop me on the street, friends who text me, what about hillary clinton? what about this uranium thing? i have to send them fact checks on the uranium thing, explain to them that has been reported, explain it's been debunked, that the information they have gotten so far over the last couple of days really, there's no new information in that. but then again, you know, it's the white house who's pushing this, and conservative news organizations. you tweeted this just a short while ago, evan, you said, buckle up. we can expect trump's efforts to confuse and divide americans against each other to shift into overdrive. don't fall for it. are you talking about what just -- >> i'm talking about what happened this week. but i think that's nothing compared to what we'

mueller might offer mr. manafort leniency an ex change for any incriminating evidence against anyone else, potentially president trump. ty cobb says that trump's aides don't have any evidence against him. can you shed some light on how this process might work on providing leniency? >> in any case where there might be criminal activity on the part of more than one person, prosecutors like those in my former office and those who work in bob mueller's office now, try to see who they can bring charges against first and see if they have information about someone else. and particularly you want to be pursuing people and pressuring people who have information of an incriminating nature above you in the food chain. if that's so, that's typically how it works. it's also possible that they're charging a number of people at once. and they want to see who's the first one through the door. it's also, you know, a possibility that they made an attempt to try to get cooperation from the person that they charged on friday. a

mueller, is conducting. we don't know definitively yet tonight who it is that has been indicted or those people who have been indicted. what we've seen all week, though, is once again the president of the united states instead of encouraging this special counsel to get to the bottom of the russia investigation and what happened and what russia did and whether or not there were any members of his entourage, trump's entourage involved in encouraging the russians to interfere, the president of the united states has sought to muddy the waters by once again making hillary clinton the issue instead of the conduct of the president himself and those around him. it's very conspicuous. we've got a long way to go in all of this and let's all sit back and see what develops. >> i was sitting at home and i watched the tv the last couple of days and i said i wonder is hillary clinton the president of the united states? what is going on here? >> again, donald trump is trying to make the conduct of the press the issue throug

so that's who robert mueller is. and a lot of people feel that tonight has a moment about it, that this, we're witnessing a change. >> nobody is better suited to investigate this very serious matter, this national security, this criminal matter than bob mueller. as you noted, he served at the fbi for more than a decade. he led that organization. he has been involved in every major national security investigation dating back to 9/11. he's nonpartisan. he's got respect from both sides of the aisle. the entirety of the law enforcement and intelligence communities. when he stepped forward in front of a grand jury, in front of a judge, in front of an article iii court and said crimes have been committed, you can take that to the bank. i would not, i would not want to be a defendant in robert mueller's courtroom. >> that gets our attention. matthew, i want to ask you about what we're witnessing tonight of before image . before i do, let's remember what president trump said this week. >> the whole russian thing is what it's

mueller has reported. because the fact of the matter is this president has met the basis for impeachment through already obstructing justice and the clause. from my standpoint, this is a question of the american people being at great danger in terms of safety and health due to the activity of this administration. so that there's an actual urgency to impeachment. but let's say one more thing, joy. we aren't going to the elected officials. we are asking the american people to join us and raise their voices because we believe that the voice and the will of the american people still is and always should be the greatest power in the country. >> and should democratic voters make this an election issue about whether or not they will support their member of congress if their member of congress will not support impeachment? >> i think that this is a question for american citizens to stand up and demand that their elected officials go on the record and do what's right. the fact of the matter is i think if you went t

bob mueller is six steps ahead of this president. we saw that today with the papadopoulos confession or agreement, indictment. and listen, this president is going to be subjected to the tightening of the noose, if you will, in this investigation. and so while some republicans might think that he won today because there was no smoking gun, this is really just the very beginning. and his agenda is krim. it's crippled on capitol hill. the leverage that bob mueller has right now is remarkable in terms of the presidency itself, but that leverage will be excruciating for republicans on capitol hill to deal with in the weeks and months to comement this is a president whose agenda is over. >> well, that gets our attention, as it did the first time back when mueller was appointed. corner el, come will argue that the real issue the whole time that we're not focusing on is hillary clinton. witness the next piece of video, cory lewandowski, fox news, saturday morning. we'll talk about it afterwards. >> the speculation is so insane right now. wha

this shows that bob mueller is moving quickly. there are a lot of people that thought he might pursue this investigation into next year and wrap it all up at one time, with a series of charges or a report to congress about actions by the president, but it appears he's decided not to take that course of action but at least bring one indictment, maybe more than one set of indictments early in this case while he continues to investigate other things. this is important to note. this does not mean we are at the end of the investigation. this is the first indictment, first set of indictments, we'll see when the charges are unsealed. and there are more to come. >> part of the reporting that cnn has done tonight which is more background rather than it is sort of some new fact that they've dug up. the way they're characterizing their report tonight is that the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, who's overseeing all matters related to the russia investigation because of the recusal of attorney general jeff sessions, rod rosenstein as

mueller will be aware of those. i think he might be careful of how much detail he actually does share with the deputy attorney general. >> let's bring in kate martell and kevin sir relly. should we expect a statement from the white house this morning? are you looking to president trump's tweets to see how he's processing this whole thing? >> i think we're all waiting for president donald trump to tweet and see how he's reacting to this new news that mueller has indicted somebody. we're expecteding to see the charges come out monday. that person could be held -- taken into custody as soon as monday. so far the white house lawyers, one of trump's lawyers, has said they know nothing about these charges. so as of now, we really don't know that much. we don't know the extent of this. i know that last week the grand jury talked to paul manafort, one of his realtors that helped him buy a condo in alexandria. that was the condo that was raided by the fbi in july. so those are some names -- that's a name that comes to mind.

because mueller's not going to stop. i don't assume he'll be intimidated by threat of pardon on his work product. what happens? because that's an absolute power we give our president. >> it is. and i think if the president does use the pardon power to pardon these individuals who so clearly violated the law, violated the trust and violated national security, think it provokes the ultimate constitutional crisis. and i think it's up to the congress of the united states to determine whether or not our commander in chief remains fit for office. >> so, robert costa, that brings us to what has normally been your beat, and that is the building, the dome behind you. how is -- i know it's early yet, but how is this going to play with the lawmakers with an "r" after their names on capitol hill and what of the trump presidency as of tonight? >> you see two camps emerging within the republican party. one is more combative. they're urging the president privately and their allies within the white house to be more confrontational with

they'll treat this as a weak opening move by mueller. if the first thing he brings in is unrelated to the president and collusion with russia charge, that makes it easy for them to say, we told you there wasn't much here. and look what he's come up with. he's had a massive investigation and come up with a mouse. on the other hand, if he comes in with something about collusion, that's much more serious. and if he finds something, frankly, about money laundering by the trump team, put aside manafort, the trump team has been money laundering, there have been a lot of rumors among people in new york and the investment community that at the end of the day, that's what this is going to come down is much more about money laundering. those two things should put a scare into the white house. because that means he's building a case that could be very much land on their doorstep and indeed come inside the doors of the white house. i think in that situation, i would assume they will try to discredit mueller in a variety of ways, they'll find friends

oh robert mueller, are you awake tonight? robert mueller is now investigating anything involved with russia, how is that possible? to be fair and impartial, it's impossible because of his past role in this. he should resign immediately tonight. >> fox news has been relentlessly hiping a claim that hillary clinton sold out our national security by supposedly personally approving a

the mueller investigation charges. who's in the crosshairs for arrest, and how will it all go down. >> there's going to be a knock on somebody's door at 6:00 tomorrow morning. and arrests are going to be made, and the news media is going to be right behind the agents. >> the name game. if past headlines are prologue, does paul manafort need to plan for a dark monday? >> plus, waiting for wednesday. the details in the dollars of the gop's tax cut plan. will it change the calculus of the cuts? >> getting the tax bill done right is a critical ingredient to the success of our country. >> so again, the economic evidence suggests that this is exactly the wrong time for a big wasteful regressive tax cut like this. >> let's start with politics and mountic speculation over the target of robert mueller's indictment. new reaction from adam schiff, ranking member of the house intel committee on just how significant the person or persons could turn out to be. >> it could be manafort. it could be flynn. many people have been pointin

>> i think director mueller, former director mueller is a very serious lawyer. he wouldn't be in this position if he were not. i just say we shouldn't speculate. we don't know what will happen tomorrow and what shoe may drop. let's wait and see what happens. >> in terms of preparation, sir, i'm sure you expect and other republicans will be asked about this tomorrow. what will your reaction be if it is a big fish such as manafort or flynn? >> we don't know the anything other than speculation and i'm just going to react when i see what the indictment, if there is one, occurs. and then i'll have a statement on it. but at this point, i really think it's way too premature to speculate since we have no facts. >> all right. what would happen if the president is not happy with this indictment? if he ends up firing bob muler? that certainly has been bantered about as a possibility, speculation certainly. but if that were to happen, is that grounds for impeachment? >> well, let's cross that bridge when we get to it, if we get to it. again, i think it's way too early to ha

if he wants to fire mueller he'll have to navigate the special counsel regulations under which mueller was appointed. former acting solicitor general of the united states and the man who literally wrote the rules under which robert mueller was appointed joins me now. >>> so, let's start, neil, with this. when people say will the president fire robert mueller, the president personally cannot fire robert mueller. how would he go about -- what would he have to do to remove him? >> he might try and fire him directly. he might constitutionally be able to do that. or he could order the acting attorney general under the regulations rod rosenstein who is the number two, but jeff sessions is recused because he himself has some collusion with russia allegations or something like that. he could order rosenstein to fire him if rosenstein doesn't fire mueller then he could order rosenstein fired and go fought next person down, rachel brand in the department, and go down until he finds someone willing to fire him. and really this is a consequence of our constitution. our founders gave the president

mueller interviewing white house staff members and president won't try to influence any charges mueller files. >> he would be sad for them as a friend and former colleague, if process results in punishment or indictments, but to the extent that happens, that's beyond his control and obviously he's not trying to influence that in any way. >> joining me former assistant fbi director, appointed by mueller and ned price from cia back with me. in investigation like this which is rolling. indictments don't signal the end, how does what happened today advance the trail mueller is on? >> i think in two big ways, one, i can't help but be impressed by the pace at which they conducted the manafort/gates part of this investigation. i'm on record as saying thi thi this work of mueller will take years. made more complex by international activity, banking, e-mail transactions, witnesses overseas. and fact they brought something this weighty within six months of bob mueller taking this position is significant. on the papadopoulos piece, i do think that is like an air burst of fireworks. he is putting o

>> look, i think mueller has to go where the evidence takes him. i think that's exactly what he's doing. he's interviewing so many people at the white house and within the periphery of the trump campaign, and he should do exactly that. i am happy that he's doing it, that doesn't mean that we are somehow relieved of our work as a member of judiciary committee. i'm working with other colleagues also at looking at what it is donald trump has done. we can't get the majority on the judiciary committee to do its job. so really it's kinda good, as the framers said, you know, if the house of representatives and those elected to the house and the senate won't do their job, well, that's what we have an independent judiciary. so i'm happy he's doing t because let's face it, they're not going to do it in the house of representatives and whatever work they're doing in the senate isn't going to be as incisive and quick as the work mueller's going to do. so i say god speed to him. >> i know this is a major story, but also the ongoing efforts in puerto rico, that'

this indictment isn't just robert mueller. you have a grand jury and 12 ordinary americans who looked at this information and said, let's indict this guy. walk us through that. >> yeah, exactly. the government can proceed one of two ways, they can file an information. but ultimately, an indictment is a requirement in our constitution that citizens sit in judgment and decide whether there's probable cause to proceed with the charges. in this case, it's likely that this indictment is as early in the investigation as it is because of a time limit problem. they were probably running up on the five-year federal statute of limitations. so the strategy here may be to not only indict him, but send him message to other potential co-conspirators, potential colleagues, to come in out of the cold and make a deal. because the federal government -- >> it is not just robert mueller who signed this indictment. >> correct. >> when you look at this indictment the back page, 31 pages, you have bob mueller signing it, robert mueller, special coun

i would expect mueller would have informed him about this. would have briefed him on who he plans to indict. i don't know if he would brief him on what he's done. the real concern that's people have raised about rosenstein's independence. i think mueller might be careful of how much detail he does share. >> matt, on the issue of the political opposition that the mueller investigation, that the congressional russia investigations have run into. one of the things that has been discussed is whether the mueller budget request, the actual funding that needs to in some ways go through congress, to keep it going. whether that might be a point of leverage that republicans in the white house could use against the mueller investigation. and given the timing of when that started. when he was put in charge of this probe about, six months ago, maybe that question was starting to come due. i want to know what your reaction is to that recent reporting of the concerns by people in the investigation. >> i think it's clear that everyone from the president to h

you, wooed with mueller. what do you think the possible arrest or arrests, plural, signal in the overall investigation? >> it depends really on who is arrested and on what charges. what will happen tomorrow is someone will be arrested and they will be presented before i magistrate judge. the judge will them of their rights and read them the charges against them. they will set a date in the future for a plea and then the case will go forward and the person pleads not guilty. if the charges are related to collusion itself, there is an allegation say against hypothetically because i have no facts to base it, so hypothetically against general flynn for some dealings with russia and failing to disclose them, that will send shock waves through the entire community of people involved in this case that mueller believes there may be something to the russia collusion experience investigation at this point. if it's collateral to the major investigation, something like paul manafort and or his business partner, richard g

by special prosecutor robert mueller. the charges include conspiracy, failing to disclose foreign bank accounts, making false statements, laundering tens of millions of dollars that they earned, you could say, if you think it was earned, while working as unregistered agents of a pro russian political party in ukraine. the indictment says in order to hide ukraine payments from united states authorities manafort and gates laundered the money through scores of united states and foreign corporations, partnerships and bank accounts. manafort laundered more than $18 million he concealed from the united states treasury, the department of justice and others. the indictment says that paul manafort did not report his foreign financial accounts as required by law on his tax returns. right there at the bottom of that form it asks at any time during the year did you have a financial interest in or signature authority over a financial account such as a bank account, securities account or brokerage account located in a foreign country?

what we know, thomas, is what's been reporting, this timeline all along, mueller, robert mueller appointed by rod rosenstein as the special counsel to investigate much of these goings on that we're talking about here, the russia collusion, the investigation into general michael flynn. did president trump ask jim comey to ease up on that investigation, the subsequent firing of jim comey. mueller beginning his investigation in may. we know that the grand jury was impanelled back in august, on august 5th. we know that in july, mueller's, presumably, at the direction of mueller, paul manafort, the former chairman for candidate trump, his home was raided. we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. we don't know who's going to be in the docket, if anyone. all we know is that the grand jury has handed up this indictment or indictments, and we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to find out who will be these first targets of bob mueller. thomas? >> a lot of people on the edge of their seats on this one, so we will get through the next 24 hours and we shall see together. mike viqueira at th

one thing to sort of keep in mind is the scope of mueller's investigation, right? so it's not just sort of russian collusion or russian interference and potential campaign collusion. amidst anything that are rising out of that investigation. so it means as mueller is sort of going about conducting that investigation, anything else that he comes upon, including sort of prior financial crimes and including criminal activity, whenever an individual does something that violates the law of the united states, in trying to obstruct his investigation or lying to federal investigators. so that is all sort of fair game within the sort of proper scope of the mueller investigation. so we might hear some things this morning about, oah, this i a witch hunt, this is proof of mueller having exceeded his scope. this is the kind of behavior and activity that is squarely within sort of that mandate that the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, had given mueller in the first instance. >> we also know that rick gates was at the white house several times this year, okay? and on top

mueller. you should know this. and by the way, anybody from the grand jury, it's a simple crime. who did it? did anyone, mr. mueller, in your office do it? now, while liberals in the media are hysterical, absolutely beside themselves with giddiness, thinking this is the big smoking gun about paul manafort, there is another major shoe dropping in these major democratic scandals. now, we first reported on tony podesta over a week ago october the 24th. he is the brother of former clinton campaign manager john poo desattachment according to politico john podesta is stepping down by from his lobbying group because is he being investigated by the special counsel. as we have been reporting the probe into podesta came about after mueller started looking into manafort's. they even european center for modern ukraine. and nbc news even adds that mueller could be looking into whether podesta and his company violated what's known as fara, the foreign agent's registration act. and politico is reporting that

i would expect mueller would have informed him about this. would have briefed him on who he plans to indict. i don't know if he would brief him on what he's done. the real concern that's people have raised about rosenstein's independence. i think mueller might be careful of how much detail he does share. >> matt, on the issue of the political opposition that the mueller investigation, that the congressional russia investigations have run into. one of the things that has been discussed is whether the mueller budget request, the actual funding that needs to in some ways go through congress, to keep it going. whether that might be a point of leverage that republicans in the white house could use against the mueller investigation. and given the timing of when that started. when he was put in charge of this probe about, six months ago, maybe that question was starting to come due. i want to know what your reaction is to that recent reporting of the concerns by people in the investigation. >> i think it's clear that everyone from the president to h

there's a lot of investigation that's been going on before mueller. mueller inherited it. now we're reporting he's going to file his first charges on monday. >> jay newton-small and jeremy peters rejoin the broadcast. jeremy, i know you spoke with a justice department official earlier. what were you told? >> he said to see indictments or charges come down this quickly six months into the investigation says to him this is most likely going to be a tiered investigation, kind of like the way they would indict the mafia and do it in little pieces because the investigation is so sprawling and they would start with the lowest hanging fruit. the smaller fish that are tangentially related to the investigation and build up to the biggest fish, at least in that kind of mafia investigation. he also noted that doing it this way, doing it so publicly rather than completing an entire investigation and then indicting everybody all at once also ensures it's a lot harder for donald trump or republicans to end the investigation, to sort of say preemptively, we're going to stop this, the jus

that person who's saying that doesn't know bob mueller. hasn't worked for bob mueller. essentially accusing bob mueller of deliberately committing a criminal violation by leaking the existence of a grand jury indictment is really misguided. so i'm telling you as someone who's worked for bob mueller, he's not a happy camper right now. he's not pleased that this has been released. >> so how did it get leaked then? didn't it have to be somebody on the team? perhaps not with his approval. >> right. so with 25 years of fbi experience, i can tell you we've seen leaks occur out of grand juries from the actual grand jury members, from court clerks, from fbi agents, from reporters who work fbi agents as sources, administrative help, marshals who protect the grand jury room, there's any host of ways this could have happened. but let's focus on what we do know. there's going to be ultimately an arrest here. and i can tell you based on history that whoever is being charged is under surveillance right now by an fbi surveillance team, even if there's been negotiations with his defens

both mueller and the congressional investigations and any indication about mueller's record that those complaints influenced the decision in the timing of what we're seeing in cnn's reporting of the first charges comingi. >> we no from the beginning of the investigation, not only from congressional but muellers, that time is of the essence. mu mueller and members of congress know that an answer needs to come relatively quickly because of how drawn out this has been because of the impact that it has on not only the white house but congress and the ability of our government to run. so mueller, who has served as fbi director for 12 years, spanning from bush to obama, definitely is focused on this and has -- that is why he's remaining quiet and not talking to the press. that is why him and his team have been tight lipped about where this investigation is headed. so it is not surprising, i guess, that he is trying to move as quickly as he can to an answer. >> and errol or joey, either one of you on this one, as far as what the president does next, we've seen his target mueller. do we think

you better get active, and you better start punching back. >> against mueller. >> against mueller. he's not saying fire mueller by any stretch of the imagination, but he is saying maybe you can cut some of his funding, maybe you can make sure he stays within his mandate, maybe you can slow down the document production. but on the other side of that you've got ty cob and john dowd and jay sekulow saying we are playing nice because there is nothing in it for us to antagonize the special counsel right now and to draw this out. so they're saying we're producing the documents, you've got to do it this way. so the president you can tell is really being pushed and pulled here because his natural instinct as we all saw with his tweets this morning, his natural instinct is to punch back as people always tell us. and they are saying, no, you cannot punch back right now. it is not in your self-interest. so they're going to have to figure out a way to work this out. and i'm not quite sure whether they have and how they do that with the president who really is upset about all of this. >>> comin

they obviously know bob mueller, they know his team. these are lawyers very experienced in white collar criminal cases involving white house investigations that go back decades. so they would like to stay out of the controversial space, but know full well that donald trump with one tweet can really ignite this whole thing. of course as well with those donald trump tweets, that's fodder for mueller as well. donald trump's tweets going back years really could become questions that bob mueller might use to premise his questions ultimately when he does get donald trump, whether under oath or in a voluntary interview. >> i read in your article that there's also a level of risk for bob mueller pursuing this. what is that, darren? >> well, bob mueller has been threatened to be fired by donald trump. donald trump again with one tweet can really set off a whole army of his allies to go after him. at this point the donald trump white house has been holding back and not really training its fire very hard on bob mueller. if it becomes an aggressive

bob mueller is as good as it gets. when comes to prosecutors and somebody that knows how to mount an investigation working his way up the ladder, bob mueller is the best at what he does. he is like a virtuoso akin to listening to yo-yo play the cello. he would not be handing out a plea deal if he didn't have information to give. yesterday we learned a piece of information, that is, approached by this professor in the uk in april. we know that trump campaign knew as early as april that the russians may have e-mails to offer them to help hurt hillary clinton. that is interesting because the dnc hack was not even known to the dnc at that point in the spring. and so that suggests that the trump campaign may not have just aided and abetted with the distribution of the e-mails after the hack occurred but may have been a party or potentially collaborated on the active hack itself which is legally significant when trying to prove potentially a conspiracy to violate the computer fraud and abuse act which is the anti-hacking sta

robert mueller and his team's m.o. from the very beginning has been to keep quiet and things under wraps and doan talk to the media. >> well president trump as you know has repeatedly called the investigation a hoax and hours before the charges were aflounce sh d-- announced, he posted thi. this is commonly agreed after many months of costly looking that there was no collusion between russia and trump. was collusion with h.c. >> well we're going to get to our panel now here to discuss, cnn correspondent cara skinnel, political km political comentator jack kingston and author of g gop gps, sig mond freed. >> and how significant is the latest investment about mueller filing the first charges. >> this is a major development. the special counsel investigation began in may so? just a short time period of five months, the team assemble by mueller has presented enough evidence to a grand jury they've decided there is enough to warrant criminal charges. what we don't flow -- know is t nature of the charges and the special coun

bob mueller has a tight control of this investigation. this is somebody arrested back in july, originally interviewed back in h january. and just now, we're learning about this. here's what sarah huckabee sanders from the white house press podium yesterday said about the papadoupolos role. >> can you just explain what george papadoupolos's role with the campaign was? >> it was extremely limited. it was a volunteer position. and, again, no activity was ever done in an official capacity on behalf of the campaign in that regard. >> what about the outreach to the campaign officials to try to put together this-- >> the outreach that was repeatedly denied and -- we're not going take any action on that? >> yet, we've also learned this from the -- this we've learned in the documents yesterday. campaign official in august, 2016, supervisor told him i would encourage you to make the trip if feasible. "the washington post" reporting that is same clovis. the papadoupolos is the surprise. >> clearly white house was unprepared for this news to come out

it's much easier than firing bob mueller. and second, they interview papadopoulos in january and february of 2017. three weeks later the president fires jim comey. he knew jim comey was on his tail. >> a whole lot of people matching up a whole lot of calendars today. >>> when we come back, i'll discuss the major turn of events with a member of the house intel committee. this this this this is my body of proof. proof of less joint pain and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can take on psoriatic arthritis with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain, stop further joint damage, and clear skin in many adults. humira is the #1 prescribed biologic for psoriatic arthritis. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious alle

we should note mueller's team could add a supercede indictment. it's possible there could be more charges this is just the beginning. >> all right pamela thank you. >> this individual was the member of voluntary counsel i met one time over the course of a year. it was a volunteer position. again, somebody on a volunteer committee. again he was volunteer. he was not paid by the campaign, he was a volunteer on again a counsel that met once. it was a volunteer on the dpan and a volunteer member of an advisory. i'm telling you that he was a volunteer member of an advisory counsel that literally meant one time. >> that was this afternoon. right now we're learning about what wen on behind the closed doors of the white. cnn's jeff zeleny. do we know how the president reacted after he heard about these indictments? >> we go. we know he spend hours in the residence watching this unfold on television. i'm told he was seething at these reports. they said as he was watching this, he was expecting some kind of indictment on manafort, but this george thing surp

critics raising questions about the robert mueller's special investigation. they have 66,000 reasons to do so. why our next guest, the former federal and criminal defense attorney says objectivity in the case has gone out the window. and from the range to the big screen now to the white house? what the rock just said about a possible run ♪ ♪ believer ♪ fame heather: welcome back. "fox & friends first" 4:14 in the morning here on the east coast. after two failed presidential runs for president, ohio governor john kasich could be looking to challenge president trump in 2020. a new york magazine claiming that leftover members of kasich's 2016 campaign staff are helping him to decide. this despite telling "fox news sunday" host chris wallace that he is not planning anything. >> i can tell you at this point i'm not plotting or planning anything like that, chris. that's just not where my head is right now. heather: the report claims that kasich doesn't know if he would run as a republican or an independent. and then there is this. actor dwayne "the rock" john

muellerments probe. but we have seen he has placed under investigation tony podesta, the democratic powerhouse lobbyist who announces he's leaving his own firm, the podesta group which bears his name. it seems democrats, too, will have something to fear from the mueller juggernaut. but mr. podesta has not been charged with anything. kennedy: his brother got vased shown at his head on election night and he had to come out and give that speech because hillary clinton refused co-to concede. reporter: there you go covering the waterfront again. kennedy: they call me an emotional lands skypeer, james. now we go to my uranium party panel. guy benson is here web's joined by comedian joe devito, and tom shillue. welcome, everyone. so much to get into. i will let you take first crack. ben: the big questions are about papadopoulos, manafort and gates what they have to offer the prosecutors and mueller. if they information that points to collusion, now is the time to get it off their chest and get the best deal for

. >> the plot to stop robert mueller. >> there's no way the american people can trust robert mueller. >> tonight as the mueller investigation closes in, new signs that trump is getting desperate. >>> then -- >> they are trying to take away our history and our heritage. >> shades of charlottesville as the virginia governor's race becomes a referendum on confederate statues. >> i'm for keeping them up. >>> and what to make of the president's opioid announcement. >> if we can teach young people and people generally not to start, it's really, really easy not to take them. >> when "all in" starts now. >>> good evening from new york. i'm joy reid in for chris hayes. tonight amid signs that robert mueller's investigation could be closing in, the white house is scrambling to discredit the messenger with a big assist from his partners on fox news. >> there's no way the american people can trust robert mueller to investigate anything russian related. >> what really stinks here is mueller, rosenstein, andrew wiesman and james comey appear to have covered it all up, the uranium one deal. >> we ha

>> what jumps out at me is i spent five years with director mueller. what jumps out at me is what we're not going to see here. we're going to violate the laws of nature because this maneuver is going to roll uphill. he did not after 12 years as an fbi dreng tore to get into the business on to indict people who are the margins of the trump campaign. when i saw this roll, this guy is coming out with some of the most serious charges first, but charges on the pefbry. what this tells me is he's now going to start rolling um. these people will talk about more significant players, whether that's done junior or jared kushner, i don't know and the issues are going to get hotter and hotter. did somebody actually get data from the russians and insert it into the campaign. >> you were also saying before that the timeline of this is interesting that when you were kind of looking at the dates and when comey was being asked for a loyalty test from the president, you believe they already had information. >> yes. look at -- let's play detective here fr a momt. you know