want to bring in bernice king, ceo of the king center. bernice, thanks for joining us on this thanksgiving holiday. you heard my conversation with cal. i think probably one of the hardest things for ahmaud arbery's family is seeing that empty chair on this thanksgiving holiday. it hurts even more on a holiday like today when family is supposed to be together and it is about safety and security and loving one another. let me play some sound for you from reverend al sharpton who was on the 9:00 a.m. hour of msnbc. he talked about how he helped the family prepare for worst case scenario. >> even though i felt the evidence was rock solid, i prepared them for the worst. when they read the charge and we had the first guilty, i think wanda breaking down crying is the only thing that stopped me from crying. because the tears i had was that finally we got something for one of these families. >> and it is real in this country, bernice, right? even with evidence rock solid, you always wonder how is this thing going to go. as we've seen so many other