to cross the pope francis i'm joined by my guest jamila bey in washington she's a journalist and public speaker also in washington we have one hundred chef when he is the president of the at was economic research foundation and in madison we cross to scott rickard he is an expert on catholicism as well as the executive editor of chronicles a magazine of american culture all right crosstalk rules and in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage encourage it all hundred in washington per person of the year well deserved yes for sure few people have such respect as the pope. the catholic church still has so much kristie just so much influence around and around the globe so i'm emulated ok jamila are you elated that pope francis is time magazine's person of the year. it is despairing despairing to me that i've got to support miley cyrus pope francis is a choice for person of the year was absolutely wrong in every measure from time magazine this pope as you put it in your intro so aptly earlier is a product of p.r. he's not this major reformer who's coming in

to cross out pope francis i'm joined by my guest jamila bey in washington she's a journalist and public speaker also in washington we have a one hundred chef when he is the president of the at was economic research foundation and in madison we cross to scott rickard he is an expert on catholicism as well as the executive editor of chronicles a magazine of american culture all right crosstalk rules and in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage encourage it one hundred in washington per person of the year well deserved yes for sure few people have such respect as the pope. the catholic church still has so much kristie just so much influence around and around the globe so i'm a middle aged ok jamil are you elated that pope francis is time magazine's person of the year. it is despairing despairing to me that i've got to support miley cyrus pope francis is a choice for person of the year was absolutely wrong in every measure from time magazine this pope as you put it in your intro so aptly earlier is a product of p.r. he's not this major reformer who's com

welcome to cross talk for all things considered i'm peter lavelle time magazine's person of the year francis the catholic pontiff according to the managing editor the pope change the tone and perceptions of the roman catholic church this may be so but francis also is showing himself to be critical of the global economic order and capitalism is there hope for the church or its francis merely a p.r. product. to cross the pope francis i'm joined by my guest jamila bey in washington she's a journalist and public speaker also in washington we have our chef when he is the president of the at was economic research foundation and in madison we cross to scott rickard he is an expert on catholicism as well as the executive editor of chronicles a magazine of american culture all right crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage encourage it all hundred in washington per person of the year well deserved. yes for sure few people have such respect as the pope a few institution of the catholic church still has so much kristie just so much influence around

ok jamil are you elated that pope francis is time magazine's person of the year. it is despairing despairing to me that i've got to support miley cyrus pope francis is a choice for person of the year was absolutely wrong in every measure from time magazine this pope as you put it in your intro so aptly earlier is a product of p.r. he's not this major reformer who's coming in making sweeping changes to benefit the lives of the faithful he has more of the same and unfortunately that's a problem he should not have been picked ok scotland would you differentiate the two because it's very interesting what we've heard already in this program is that i mean it may be very possible that francis is a p.r. product and you know he's very appealing to a lot of people i mean even i look at the pictures of him embracing a man with severe disfigurement i mean any person who has compassion can say that's a good person doing that as opposed to kind of where is the catholic church because it looks like you can easily separate the two go ahead scott. right it's certainly he certainl

francis is very controversial. ed, as you're looking at this move right now, what pope francis is doing one is it unexpectedly considering he does come for the jazz, so it will of the charge. but to is it what is going to be the long term effect besides just what we're dealing with today, what are you, what are you seeing? what are you concerned about about the future of the charged with this order? well listen for most of the viewers of this program, their memory will include john paul, the 2nd for decades as a controversial figure. by the way, just not in the church. in the same way. he was controversial because he took on communism and took on poverty and all kinds of things. and then cardinal rab singer became the pope, was a short period of time. the problem was pope francis, in my estimation, is he continually causes scandal. that's a term in the church. it means confusion amongst the faithful. what he did in this case, by the way, shouldn't last just no small p politics. who we empowered to have more say on

bottom of putin is meeting with pope francis and vatican city later in the day the russian president will be sitting down with his italian counterpart. also this hour russia's defense minister says the fire which claimed the lives of 14 sailors on the deep sea submersible broke out in the vessels battery compartment he also gave assurances that the subs nuclear energy installation is secure. and iran warned the u.s. not to start a fire if it can't handle the consequences after trump warned that the islamic republic play with fire its uranium enrichment. they know what to do and they go with the airplane when i think they're playing with fire this thing for the u.s. to correct its mistake bush is afraid of the word fine you can stop war. and germany is in the grip of a heat wave which has also triggered a crime wave including a large brawl at extending full. international bring you your live news update from our studio here in moscow welcome to the program. bottom of puttin is meeting with the pope in vatican city this is the 3rd time russia's president has met pope francis with previ

buckley fellow at the national review institute and francis fox pavan she is a distinguished professor of sociology and political science at city university of new york graduate center all right folks crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it but first is this movement actually going anywhere i think that's the main question right now is that over the two months that the occupy wall street movement has existed it's turned into a juggernaut of civil disobedience that has plowed through cities across the world but just as the movement is growing in scale and scope it is also grappling with more and more criticism crackdowns and facing growing questions about its tactics and strategy the movement's advocates still insist that occupy is an important voice for public frustration that has succeeded in raising awareness of staggering income and wealth inequality there is a movement brewing in america not just the occupy wall street but the two thousand encampments occupy around america and also the sense that suddenly the ninety nine pe

be very possible but francis is a p.r. product and you know he's very appealing to a lot of people i mean even i look at the pictures of him embracing a man with severe disfigurement i mean any person who has compassion can say that's a good person doing that as opposed to kind of where is the catholic church because it looks like you can easily separate the two go ahead scott. it's certainly he certainly is appealing the the the idea though that that he was ever going to come in and change the catholic church in the way that that i think jimmy or some of the editors of time might want. was was wrong from the from the beginning what what he has brought to the catholic church is a change in tone a change in emphasis the time article does pick up on that but it also expresses a sort of hope an expectation that there's going to be some sort of more fundamental change doctrinal changes moral changes these aren't going to come about the catholic church. is a two thousand year old institution that that understands. what the what

very interesting what we've heard already in this program is that i mean it may be very possible that francis is a p.r. product and you know he's very appealing to a lot of people i mean even i look at the pictures of him embracing a man with severe disfigurement i mean any person who has compassion can say that's a good person doing that as opposed to kind of where is the catholic church because it looks like you can easily separate the two go ahead scott. it's certainly he certainly is appealing the the the idea though that that he was ever going to come in and change the catholic church in the way that that i think. or some of the editors of time might want. was was wrong from the from the beginning what what he has brought to the catholic church is a change in tone a change in emphasis the time article does pick up on that but it also expresses the sort of hope and expectation that there is going to be some sort of more fundamental change doctrinal changes moral changes these aren't going to come about the catholic church. is a two thousand year old institution that understands. what the

as i am here putin meets with pope francis. the terror going to touch on a number of international topics of course including relations between the catholic church and russian orthodox churches later on in the day lot of europe will go on to me at the time president and the prime minister. will be keeping you updated throughout the day on those meetings as we go to our correspondent in rome for those updates throughout the day. more information has come to light about the underwater tragedy in northwestern russia 14 crew members died when their submersible caught fire earlier this week russia's defense minister has now revealed where the place started. to a solution to the main cause of the incident has been established it was a fire in the battery compartment which then spread a little pollution. the reactor on the vessel is completely isolated in the area has been cleared of people the crew carried out all the necessary measures to protect the installation it is fully operational this gives us hope that we will be able to rep

it turns out francis hogan has close ties to the democrats. something she failed to mention while urging congress to take action against a former employer. facebook's products harm children, stroke division, and weaken our democracy. the company's leadership knows how to make facebook and instagram saver a won't make the necessary changes because they have put their astronomical profits for people. congressional action is needed. francis hogan is being represented by a co founder of whistleblower aid, john tie, who served in the obama administration. the other co founder of the organization, which helps whistleblowers pay their lawyers fees as mugs zayed. and he was a legal representative for alexander windman, a white house staff, a who testified in trumps 1st impeachment trial. now, max blumenthal, the editor in chief of the grades are in the points, 2 other alleged links and says, political affiliation is no surprise. in this case, her testimony dove tales very closely with the democrat censorship agenda. their plan or their desire to heavi

francis is very much a pastor pope in the mold of john the twenty third or even pius the tenth two very different man but men who who were very concerned with a past durrell approach to the to the papacy and and francis i think for that reason he is exactly the right man at exactly the right time well scott let me just say this idea that if you are being driven where it's a good question it was i think that's a very good point and that she strikes me as being the same way a pastor pope but you know it the corruption in the catholic church is horrific i lived in poland in the one nine hundred eighty s. it was in communist poland it was catholic poland and it if you live there that could turn you instantly off from catholicism because of corruption. well. there are there are problems with corruption in any institution the question is how are these how are these things addressed for instance the claims that the that the catholic church has not addressed the issue of child sexual abuse is just ludicrous for anybody who's actually study this i've been writing about about this issue for fifte

the best thing for the future of our country more on that with my pfaff and tonio just a moment also francis the first is the most progressive open generation so how are conservative american catholics reacting to the man some people are calling the pope of the poor and today's republican party resembles a group of street thugs more than it does the party of barry goldwater i'll tell you why and how i still eat it. getting you know this is a lot the news today but there is one consistent thread that runs through it all and that's the republican agenda to make america a poorer and more violent country although it's now been almost a year since the newtown massacre the gun control movement is still fighting an uphill battle one hundred nine done different gun laws have been passed by state legislatures across the country since december fourteenth two thousand and twelve. thirty nine of them have tightened gun restrictions and made it harder for people like the newtown killer to get weapons of war but seventy of those hundred nine laws have loosened gun restrictions and of those seventy four ac

and notably by its then president cardinal bergoglio now pope francis. so the pope did commission a counter inquiry to try to have a priest who had been sentenced for pedophilia acquitted. kind it said there was labor gugliotta the future pope actually sent it to the judges with a shrewd sense of timing before father across these various appeal hearings. one of the magistrates received a copy of the counter inquiry agreed to meet us. problems my case a former appeal court judge and former minister of justice is today a high court judge. it's the first time he's spoken openly about the cross the case . he remembers very well the day he found this counter inquiry on his desk with a similarly is this the system even so vicious as it is there was no influential way in so if we know enough of the. case and. know anything. get ill get in a row now to see what equal that is and that will cost us more thought of setting out those it given that you're going to have getting idea if i was there. look at what it is he said that said well that's what the impetus you'

the only one for francis and all of them is the only one wants a dialogue with russia. so you know, mac wrong will be the measure obstacle in the years to come. even because micron closely tied to germany and also germany or in they look shoals and the angular medical, they hoped for micron selection. because microshare reflection will give life to the but he's badly an axis and from the bad, but it's better. the next is the bands the future if you are now and of course the future of europe. russia relations can ask a specifically about the economic sanctions. because you wrote the reason that these economic sanctions, against most are both unprecedented and planned in advance. but i'm seeing more and more western analysts suggesting that the scale of the sections and specifically the effect on 3rd countries, how painful it is to the rest of the world. maybe the biggest achilles heel. and that it may actually come back to her in the united states. do you think that there are indeed so well plan, do you think the united states are calculated accurately the rest of the wo

i'll g uria francis form a colony. it resisting president microns attempts to draw the line, and it has an axe to grind that didn't go down well and then to add insult to injury. my home blamed hatred towards france. young algerians on the political military system which had rewritten, history based on lies even questioned. what is how interior was there an algerian ation before french colonization? that's the question. i'll jury a post 900. 62 is built on a memorial rent that declares france is the whole problem. hugh erico dumbass a debt, while algeria also plays it as space, see the french military notes. colonial presses are not to welcome the country. essentially said this in the leisure which pushes process official relations with some of our countries into unfortunate crisis situation should result through unconditional mutual respect. that's not the only trouble facing france. in africa. marley has a summons. the french ambassador for nations, it's furious that has frog seeks to withdraw its troops. he can stil

although it now turns out that francis hogan has close ties to the democrats, something she failed to mention, while demanding action against her. nie former employer case looks products harm children, stoked division and week in our democracy. the companies leadership knows how to make facebook and instagram saver a won't make the necessary changes because they have put their astronomical prophets for people. congressional action is needed. well, let's try on on tangle. the web front is hogan is being represented by a co founder of whistleblower aid. john tie, he served in the obama administration, the other co founder of the organization, which helps whistleblowers pay their li lawyers fees. he's mark zayna, he we know was a legal representative for one alexander vin men, a white house stuffer who testified in donald trump's 1st impeachment trial. max blumenthal editor in chief of the greystone highlighted other alleged links to unsafe political affiliation, is no surprise. in this case, her testimony dove tales very closely with the democrat censorship agenda. their plan or their d

conference notably by its then president cardinal bergoglio now pope francis. so the pope did commission a counter inquiry to try to have a priest who had been sentenced for pedophilia acquitted. i did said that was labor gugliotta the future pope actually sent it to the judges with a shrewd sense of timing before followed rossi's various appeal hearings. one of the magistrates received a copy of the counter inquiry agreed to meet us. problems my case a former appeal court judge and former minister of justice is today a high court judge. it's the first time he spoke openly about across the case. he remembers very well the day he found this counter inquiry on his desk with a similarly is this this is leading to vision or. is there was no influential way in which you know enough of them. know anything. it is. now to see what equal that is and that will cost us more we thought of selling out to those. in for water they. get when it was easier that said. sort of places. them on you know the in the fields out to the car to sort the mail and. finally useless father g

for example, francis will be, i'm a prominent american political scientist who was a frequent guess and, you know, very influential figure in here over the last couple of years, he wrote recently that a russian defeat will make possible a new birth of freedom and that it will allow to renew this period of 1989. putting aside her ability. why do you think that period of 1989, the falling berlin wall, the collapsing soviet union? this emerging american unit to larry? why do you think it was so shortly? the spirit of 89 was so short believe because as you said, it was led by the collapse of the soviet union. so it wasn't truly generally. it was a dollar drive and let's say, so i'm not saying that it was the money factor because it wasn't ok. but it was a man led by the rise of the polar moment. and as soon as the war experience it on fairness, i'm the baby daddy, this of the unit for a moment in particular to whatever the bomb being a grant do ward started turning the little overnight. so it wasn't about russia because russia at that time was a week, was a plenty of time, no problem. it wa

to cross-talk pope francis i'm joined by my guest jamila bey in washington she's a journalist and public speaker also in washington we have one hundred chef when he is the president of the at was economic research foundation and in madison we cross to scott rickard he is an expert on catholicism as well as the executive editor of chronicles a magazine of american culture all right crosstalk rules and in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage encourage it one hundred in washington per person of the year well deserved yes for sure few people have such respect as the pope. the catholic church still has so much kristie just so much influence around and around the globe so i'm a middle aged ok jamila are you elated that pope francis is time magazine's person of the year it is despairing despairing to me that i've got to support miley cyrus pope francis is a choice for person of the year was absolutely wrong in every measure from.

you said that the you weren't so surprised by po francis's statement. but as i was reading american accounts of it, and then how is it? i think there was a lot of this, me, a lot of anger, some questioning of the pope's cognitive ability and his wisdom. do you think washington downtown should use sanctions against the whole thing? because clearly what the pope is saying goes very vividly against what the by the administration and the rest of the west is. a trying to push as the as the truth. well, sanctions are the best, the tool of the might, the states foreign policy. so they could try to send something up. i think the united states some are magically will for their why the distance with a policy that will not do it openly. but they will the, with for the wrote this optimization agenda in the rest of the war. because against the background of the war, war in peace against the background of the west, russia confrontation of the seen american confrontation, there is another war taking place across the globe. and these are the war inside the christianity

the only one up for francis and all of them is the only one wants a dialogue with russia. so you know, mac wrong will be the measure obstacle in the years to come even because my grammar closely tied to germany and also germany or in they looked shoals and the angler medical they hoped for my grocery election because microshare for election will give life to the but he's badly an axis and from the bad, but it's better. the next is the bounce. the future if you were. and of course, the future of europe, russia relations. can i ask a specifically about the economic sanctions? because you wrote recently that these economic sanctions against most are both unprecedented and planned in advance. but i'm seeing more and more western analysts suggesting that the scale of the sections and specifically the effect on 3rd countries, how painful it is to the rest of the world. maybe the biggest achilles heel and that it may actually come back to her in the united states. do you think that there are indeed so well plan, do you think the united states are calculated accurately the rest of

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pope francis named time magazine's person of the year as a side of the church's influence or just good p.r. that's the issue for debate with people of ellen cross-talk coming your way in just a second. this is the media leave us so we leave that maybe. by the sea pushes secure. your party there's a goal. for shoes that no one is asking with the guests that you deserve answers from it's all politics only on our team. confident that the irish people won't be asking it down to stab in the jail where the private banks are any cause some staffer hopkins pleasure to be found now economically and what always happens is. central bankers politicians they say this will never ever happen again and it keeps on happening but what we have to ensure is that if company. doesn't such a classic place to make costs for tots slave. is on a journey to structure. one hundred twenty three days. through to some other town two cities of russia. relate fourteen thousand people or sixty thousand killing. in a record setting trip. air. space. the torch relay. on our t.v. our cool. little. hello and welcome across

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has archbishop of buenos aires pope francis was seemingly deaf to the distress of these victims. but apparently it's worse in another case concerning other victims some believe he's willfully trying to divert the course of justice that it is for father cross he face the biggest pedophilia scandal in the argentinian church secretary who you know says are grassy was one of the best known priests in the country very influential and often in the media spotlight doing well with a rather less big head. to run a huge orphanage until some of the children bear launched a complaint against him for sexual abuse in two thousand and nine he was sentenced to fifteen years in prison still today he's behind bars. but the argentinean church did all in its power to have him acquitted. one public eye a go represented father grosse's child victims. a trial spread to refute teen years and opposite him the most renowned attorneys in the land but also the catholic church. say no get innocent it almost get it on your love mean this. up but he said oh no leave it was. most they don't know that this will

are still ahead for you this hour pope francis lives up to his name so he wants a poor church for poor people that's why he also hopes to cleanse the catholic church is honest reputation of its sex abuse scandals that story coming your way after a break. with . its technology innovation all the developments from around russia we've got the future covered. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew. welcome to the big picture. is easy to. you to. welcome back the killing of a black teenager by new york police has prompted a week of protests in brooklyn resulting in clashes and the arrests people vented their anger at the n.y.p.d. accusing them of systematic racism and brutality. has the details. that's. sixteen year old kimani gray was killed by police shot four times in the front and three in the back. the n.y.p.d. claimed the team had pointed a gun at them however this remains uncertain that there was a weapon that no one sa