. >> but jerry ford said governor reagan can't start world war iii, president reagan can: he was fall it had fashionest gun in the west. i mean, reagan was vilified pretty roundly by even the republican establishment. >> the other thing about reagan was from the beginning when he was running for the republican nomination for governor of california he was always congeni congenial. whatever he had to say, everybody had a kind of a he's our guy, friendly approach to him and he could do the every man thing better than anybody i'd ever seen. at the end of the recession, they had to do something so they sent him up to southie in boston, they sent him into a working man's bar, all irish southies and we thought he was going to get his head handed to him in there. 20 minutes later he emerges with a schooner of beer and all these guys around him cheering him because he could pull that off unlike anyone else. >> up like anyone else except maybe who we're talking about today. >> the same thing trump can do with evangelicals, for example, not his natural constituency, he misquotes the bible but ev

because people -- there's such a long tradition going back to jerry ford, of releasing your tax returns. i think he cannot sit on these the rest of the time. and rather than showing he doesn't have much wealth, i think the question is, how much taxes is he paying? >> that's a big question. and the tax issue -- you heard tom foreman say, 64% of americans saying he should release the tax returns. his story on this has changed rather dramatically. in his own words. >> right. and -- >> if i decide to run for office, i'll produce my tax returns. absolutely. maybe i'm going to do the tax returns when obama does his birth certificate. we'll see what i'm going to do with tax returns. i have no major problem with it. but i may tie them to a release of hillary's e-mails. i would love to give the tax returns, but i can't do it until i'm finished with the audit. >> yes or no, do you believe voters have a right to see your tax returns before they make a final decision? >> i don't think they do. >> i think -- that's quite an evolution. >> i think that he has progressed on this issue. >> or regressed.

. >> and it was jerry ford, 1976. the russians aren't in poland. >> yes they are. now it's the russians aren't in the withdrew crane. it was baffling. and take us through all of that. >> donald trump is facing criticism after his response to the parents of an american soldier killed in america. the parents of captain khan took to the stage at the dnc thursday night to condemn trump's proposals and statements about muslims. he said trump had sacrificed nothing and no one and questioned if he had even read the u. s. constitution. the trump campaign responded saying captain khan was a hero to our country. the real problem here are the radical islamic terrorists that killed him. but it didn't end there with both speaking with the sunday shows. >> what sacrifice have you made for your country? >> i made a lot of sacrifices. i work, very, very hard. i created thousands and thousands of jobs. tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures. >> those are sacrifices. >> sure. i think they're sacrifices. when i can employ thousands and thousands of people and take care of

you go back to 1976, everybody remembers '80, but mike, 1976, you know, jerry ford says that the soviets aren't dominating eastern europe, and max frankel said excuse me, and he repeeted it again. and ford, who was sort of seen as a bumbler, who was making an extraordinary comeback at that time, obviously, that's something that connected with americans. >> well, as tom pointed out, i mean, both he and i were in nashua for that -- i paid for this microphone moments, and debates, if nothing else, tom, if nothing else, they're a tribute to the power of the single moment and a single line by a single candidate. >> yeah, i'm the one who asked dan quayle the third question about whether he was prepared to be president if something happed. he then compared himself to john f. kennedy, and lloyd benson turned to him and said i knew john f. kennedy. he was a friend of mine. you'renone john kennedy. that got a lot of play. dan quayle still got elected, but a friend of mike's who was a friend of kennedy's called later and said we have gone through the files. i we don't think lloyd benson was a frien

so hard for jerry ford. despite that we had this great transition and he said, president carter said, i think i and jerry ford in the end had the best friendship of any two ex-presidents in american history. that sounded extreme. best friendship. i went all of the way through american history and pretty hard to find two ex-presidents who got along better. >> michael beschloss and julie pace, thank you both. we'll be right back. xecutive prt marvel studios. we are very much hands on producers. if my office becomes a plane or an airport the surface pro is perfect, fast and portable but also light. you don't do 14 hours a day 7 days a week for decades if you don't feel it in your heart. listen i know my super power is to not ever sleep. that's it, that's the only superpower i have. >>> still to come, defeat and then disbelief. how do democrats restore their party to power and work with this new president? >> i want to show you something, mika. >> this might give you a clue. >> i want to show a picture from yest

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