john podesta was talking, part of the spinners after the debate, a longtime member of team clinton, chris matthews said he thought he heard podesta take the first tentative steps about bernie sanders might have been confused, he might have wandered a little bit on foreign affairs. chris shut it down. was there any skulduggery after this thing last night, or did people play it pretty much according to hoil? >> i think it's pretty clear while the clinton campaign is focused on doing as well as they can here, a lot of their brain power now is focused on, what is the negative frame that they're going to want to put on bernie sanders in south carolina, in nevada after this contest. and they tried about 15 different things and still playing with different ideas. one of the things we talked about yesterday is the prospect of saying the sanders' campaign is how sexist. another thing they're playing, obviously, is that bernie sanders is too left-wing to win a general election. so i think everything the clinton campaign says now we're all kind of fly specking and looking at, saying, is there someth