and let me tell you, i was one of the leaders in opposition to the keystone pipeline. chauz [ cheers and applause ] and this pipeline running through minnesota is called the alberta clipper. and that would bring 800,000 barrels per day of some of the dirtiest oil being excavated in the world. [ boos [ boos ] now president obama said when his administration was reviewing the keystone pipeline that he wouldn't approve it if it made climate and our planet more dangerous. he wouldn't approve that if he could make the point that the emission emissions couldn't make the change. those are the standards that we need to apply to alberta clipper and the sand piper and what i would do as president of the united states of america. [ cheers and applause ] the bottom line for me -- i've got four kids and seven grandchildren and our moral responsibility is to make sure that we leave this planet in a way that is healthy and habitable to future generations. the bottom line for me is that fossil fuel companies cannot wreck our planet for their short term profits. [ cheers and applause ]

. >> sanders said no to the keystone pipeline and never waffled. he's also the only candidate to oppose fracking, because fracking can endanger our drinking water and threaten our climate. sanders has the most far-reaching plan to fight climate change and build a clean energy future. bernie sanders, people before politicians. >> he's targeting south carolina and minnesota with that ad. is that an ad that can be effective? >> i think so. climate change is an enormously important çissue. it's maybe the defining issue of our -- in the planet right now. so it's huge. but hillary is very strong on that, as well. and you know, and fracking is something that -- because of fracking, we have a lot of natural gas. and because of we have a lot of natural gas, it's replaced a lot of coal. >> where are you on fracking? i was going to say, because it has gotten a lot of -- i've talked to a lot of democrats who are describing it the way you describe it. >> i'm on the energy committee. >> yeah. >> and fracking, it depends where you do it. and if you do it too cl

the keystone pipeline, something more there. the price of oil. they want to see stability in the market. that allows them for the future and things like that. the oil companies want to see a stable market where they can drill. >> reporter: now, bernie sanders will be just down the road in a couple of hours and in a maroon state we managed to find a bernie sanders supporter. >> i'm a bernie sanders supporter. i feel like we need to get the money out of politics. i feel like wall street has made a lot of money off of us over the years and i think they should help us out now. >> reporter: so bernie sanders making that push in oklahoma. it will be an interesting day next tuesday to see if he can push through, chris. >> sure will. cal perry, by the way, besides being in tulsa, now we're going to talk to him a little bit later on about where we'll both be tomorrow, the state of texas and he will be coming along for this crazy ride we're doing. >>> now, just this month devin energy in oklahoma said it would lay off 700 people in oklahoma city, 1,000 ove

i mean, starting months and months ago with keystone and tpp, and those are the largest of the two shifts, but there are more subtle ones since then. you just see her adjusting rhetoric here and there. clearly they don't like to say it, but clearly sanders is pulling her to the left in this phase of the campaign. not in a huge, huge way, but, but in a real way. and it gives him o real private place to say, i was here first. >> jonathan, the president's biggest final, initial that he is hoping to get passed and achieved is the transpacific partnership. >> yeah. >> both of the democratic candidates oppose it, but only one of them used to be his secretary of state. and used to be completely in favor of it, calling it the gold standard, now, having supported every presidential trade agreement prior to this one, now hillary clinton opposes it. >> well, it reminds me of bill clinton's position on nafta in 1992. i can remember trying to pin him down on this. it was like pinning down jell-o. all through the '92 campaign, for political reasons he wouldn't take a position on that, against it, and s

we can expect him to draw a number of sharp contrasts from clinton, from everything to trade to the keystone xl pipeline, things he was out in front of her, to things on wall street and whatnot. he is not expected to do as well in south carolina and move straight to super tuesday where there is a number of states that will do better for him. this is going to be a problem for him. you played that sound. he's looking now at a tough map ahead where it's going to be tough to get to the nomination, but he's already talking a little bit what would happen in a general election. take a look at what he said last night when he talked about wanting to go up against donald trump. >> if you look at national polls and you want a candidate who is going to defeat donald trump, you're looking at that candidate. [ cheers and applause ] >> there would be nothing that would give me greater pleasure than, in fact, beating donald tru trump. >> reporter: i think there he's trying to rally the troops, get his supporters on line. obviously tough to take a defeat in nevada. he wants something to get them excited abou

but the keystone pipeline, i will support the keystone pipeline, but i will make a deal for this country when we get a chunk of it. but when we have eminent domain, we make the keystone pipeline and other things possible. they'll make a tremendous amount of money with the keystone pipeline. a lot of money they make will come back to the people of this country. >> you expressed a lot of confidence about the people of south carolina who has an election coming up, right? what is your biggest fear? >> lies. my only worry about south carolina is that my opponents lie. especially cruz. he's the single worst liar i've ever seen. if people believe the lies, then, you know, we won't make america great again, because nobody else is going to be able to do it but me. believe me, i know my competition. they're all bought and paid for by the special interests. they're not going to negotiate with the lumber companies, the drug companies, the oil and gas companies, any of them. they're not going to make good trade deals because trade deals are made by the lobbyists and the special interests. me, i'm goi

jeb bush was here this morning saying donald trump made the comparison of keystone pipeline. that is about energy. he wanted a parking lot for a casi casino. that is likely not to settle well with some new hampshire voters. how big of a deal is that for him? >> actually a big deal in this state because there is the northern pass in the northern part of the state and a pipeline in the southern part of the statement. eminent domain is a big issue. but he still has a very, very large lead here. >> you just interviewed john kasich. he's not willing to take the bait coming his way. what did he tell you? >> i asked about chris christie's criticisms yesterday. he said i'm going to stay positive. i'm not going to go on the attack. >> is the positive message resonating? >> it may be enough for a third place finish. >> thank you for joining us. i want to show you, again, another view of the big rally not far from here. hillary clinton will be taking the stage in manchester. and a more intimate event hosted by jeb bush and his campaign at the rotary club in nashua. a lot of moving parts

it's the same thing: there's a different between paving highways for public use and the keystone pipeline which an oil company is putting pipe down so they can make money and have their stock go up. [ applause ] >> you don't think energy security good? energy security is good for the u.s. economy? of course it is. they are two absolutely different things, joe, i have to beg to differ on this one. >> i think it's great for the economy and i supported the keystone pipeline but there's a difference between private and public use. all i'm saying is donald trump just like the people doing keystone pipeline who's doing what he was doing to make a profit and i think that's -- >> there's a distinct difference between a pipeline that gets us off of reliance of opec and venezuela, rogue nations like venezuela and a parking lot far casino in new jersey. i don't think you're comparing apples to apples there. >> i love it. >> first of all, you know the keystone pipeline won't make us independent from foreign oil and secondly you are aloud to go back and work at the "wall street journal" editorial boar

vice president biden is not progressive because he supported keystone. senator shaheen is not progressive because she supports the trade pac. even the late great senator wellstone would not fit this position because he voted for doma. we have differences and honest will i i think she would be talking about what we want to do for the country. but if we get into labels i don't think it was progressive to vote against the brady bill five times. i don't think it was progressive to give gun makers and sellers immunit immunity. i don't think it was progressive to vote against ted kennedy's immigration reform. we can go back and forth like this. but the fact is most people watching tonight want to know what we've done and what we will do, that's why i am laying out a specific agenda that will make progress, get more jobs with rising incomes, get us to universal health care coverage, get us to universal pre-k, paid family leave, and the other elements of what i think will build a strong economy that will ensure that americans keep making progress. that's what i'

the other thing i learned, jeb bush wants to build the keystone pipeline. he wants to take an old lady's house. that's a great exchange for jeb bush. what do you think people saw saw this that moment? >> he exposed that marco rubio is a candidate without real accomplishments. jeb bush, if you look at florida, cutting taxes and reforming the education systems and dealing with eight hurricanes in less than two years, everyone in florida who worked with jeb bush and marco rubio is supporting jeb bush because of a record of achievement and we can't beat hillary clinton for a candidate who doesn't have a record of achievement. they were tight in florida. >> they were friends with this and still friends. >> they still friends? we had a christie surrogate. >> i can't speak to that. the governor and senator remain friendings. the governor thinks he has a better record of leadership and accomplishment. marco rubio does not do well. you want to be able to say they had a the spotlight for a week. >> no question that got him a second look in new hampshire. >> the probl

and i actually think when he connected eminent domain to the keystone pipeline that was a pretty good response. >> i thought that was smart. he found something that republicans do like and an example where if you want to build a straight line you are going to have to sooner or later do some of this, however unpopular it is. but on the booing, it is different. he hadn't been booed before and he tried to say, these are all just donors, and the rnc quickly put out to katy tur at nbc, actually no, nine out of ten of these people were not donors. >> i was in the audience. >> are you a billionaire boner? >> i am not a billionaire donor. >> break fst is on you. >> and i was in las vegas and i didn't get the tickets from donors. but what i noticed last night was the crowd was much more against trump from the beginning. it was a very different audience in new hampshire than in las vegas. which is where you think the donors would have been in las vegas. >> you were there. it felt like a grassroots new hampshire vote crowd? >> it was, there were students from the college, people from throughout

vice president biden is not progressive because he supported keystone. >> she was in ohio i think in september and november. and she got up and said something like, i have been -- i'm paraphrasing. i have been criticized because people think i'm a moderate. well, i am a moderate. that's where this came from. it wasn't me paraphrasing. it is what she said. and all that i said is there's nothing wrong with being a moderate. but you can't be a moderate, you can't be a progressive. >> and joining us now is howard dean, the former governor of vermont, former chairman of the democratic national committee. joining us as well, charlie pierce, the lead political blogger for esquire.com. and back with us is gene robinson. charlie, you're following these guys around. you were with hillary clinton today. she had this event up there in concord. what is she doing right now to try to close this gap? saw this eight years ago. came back, beat barack obama. are you seeing that happen again? >> i wasn't in concord. i was at another event she had done at new england college, which was just a q&a. she sa

vice president biden is not progressive because she supported keystone. even the late, great senator paul wellstone would not fit this definition because he voted for doma. we have differences, and, honestly, i think we should be talk about what we want to do for the country. if we're going to get into labels, i don't think it was particularly progressive to vote against the brady bill five times. i don't think it was progressive to give gun makers immunity. i don't think it was progressive to vote against ted kennedy's immigration reform. we can go back and forth like there. most people watching tonight want to know what we've done and what we will do. that's why i'm laying out a specific agenda that will make more progress and get more job, get us to universal health care coverage, get us to universal pre-k, paid family leave and the other elements that will build a strong economy and ensure americans will keep making progress. that's what i'm offering and that's what i will do as president. >> how do you establish a list of what it means to be a progre

vice president biden is not because he supported keystone. >> that was the same line she used in the cnn town hall. does it resonate and solve the problem? >> she tried about five different arguments to get out from under bernie sanders' core attack which is that she is symbolic of a system corrupted by money. >> is that a fair attack on her especially given his litmus test if for a progress snif. >> i would say if you want to get elected to office to do good, at this point, there is really no other way to do it. i would agree with her just because you have to play the game doesn't mean you can't achieve good things. politics is a paradox begin with. it's a mix of virtue and lack of virtue. that's true. there's no purity anywhere in politics, whatever bernie sanders says. now, what bernie is saying, uh-huh. i figured out a different way to do. i'm going to crowd source it. and taking no money from wall street and billionaires, that's true. also paradoxically, donald trump's appeal. i am too rich to take money. >> which is why he was so upset and saying i'm not getting credit for vote

vice president biden is not progressive because he supported keystone. >> and joining me now with more on last night's debate and what the candidates are up to today, with me on set, nbc's andrea mitchell, covering the clinton campaign, and kasie hunt, she's at the sanders event going on right now. kasie, that event is going on as we speak. i want to go to you first to get the follow-up tone the day after. what are you hearing from the sanders campaign? >> tamron, good morning. i think you're hearing from the sanders campaign what we have been hearing all the way along. at this politics and eggs breakfast, a tradition in new hampshire, with the snow falling outside. essentially giving his sanders stump speech. talking about wall street reform, you know, the way that the economy, he says, is rigged against the middle class. we're hearing essentially the same things we heard from him on the debate stamg last night. privately, the campaign is saying they feel as though he came through that debate pretty well. they acknowledge that hillary clinton did look strong in the first half in parti

vice president biden is not progressive because he supported keystone. even the late, great senator paul wellstone would not fit this definition because he voted for doma. we have differences, and, honestly, i think we should be talking about what we want to do for the country. if we're going to get into labels, i don't think it was particularly progressive to vote against the brady bill five times. i don't think it was progressive to give gun makers immunity. i don't think it was progressive to vote against ted kennedy's immigration reform. we can go back and forth like there. but the fact is most people watching tonight want to know what we've done and what we will do. that's why i'm laying out a specific agenda that will make more progress and get more job, get us to universal health care coverage, get us to universal pre-k, paid family leave and the other elements that will build a strong economy and ensure americans will keep making progress. that's what i'm offering and that's what i will do as president. >> senator sanders. how do you establish a

vice president biden is not progressive because she supported keystone. even the late, great senator paul wellstone would not fit this definition because he voted for doma. we have differences, and, honestly, i think we should be talk about what we want to do for the country. if we're going to get into labels, i don't think it was particularly progressive to vote against the brady bill five times. i don't think it was progressive to give gun makers immunity. i don't think it was progressive to vote against ted kennedy's immigration reform. we can go back and forth like there. most people watching tonight want to know what we've done and what we will do. that's why i'm laying out a specific agenda that will make more progress and get more job, get us to universal health care coverage, get us to universal pre-k, paid family leave and the other elements that will build a strong economy and ensure americans will keep making progress. that's what i'm offering and that's what i will do as president. >> how do you establish a list of what it means to be a progre

someone went on for him and saying, quote, most progressives don't raise millions from wall street and keystone pipeline. he had a big running theme, without using her name, that hillary clinton is fought a progressive. so john, what about this breakout of words after a day of calm between the two democrats? >> if bernie sanders is waging a very important fight here. it's not just that there are substantive difficu substantive differences. the democratic party of this century is not the democratic party of the 1990s. hillary clinton they could argue about what it means all day long. bernie sanders would say he is a liberal. hillary clinton will never publicly say she's a liberal and liberal is what the democratic party is now. >> i believe that part of secretary clinton's message is that she takes lots of his positions, wall street, just, i'm just as liberal on health care, and then she says he's not electable. >> correct. >> i think it works to sanders advantage. those tweets, even though he didn't name her. >> he's ready to fight. >> ready to fight. told you the other day, gestation period wa

issues ranging from the keystone pipeline to, of course, the iraq war. ironically enough the framework of this democratic fight over who can advance a real progressive agenda actually echos back to a republican presidential fight 15 years ago that took place right here in new hampshire. that's when iowa winner and texas governor george w. bush was battling arizona senator john mccain. mccain was succeeding campaigning as a reformer and he had to find a new message, he started calling himself a reformer with different results. different parties separated by 15 years in politics. you can see the striking similarity upping the anti with different results. clinton believes she can get results just like bush was able to convince others he can be the reformer with results. but can clinton's strategy against sanders work better than bushes did against mccain? remember, mccain won the 2000 primary with over 60% of the vote. the latest tracking out of new hampshire giving bernie sanders right now a substantial lead of 29 points. so we now know that sanders has ha

she was against same-sex marriage, she was for keystone before she was against it. i personally as a republican think hillary's more of a neocon than i'm comfortable with. >> hardly a neocon, joe, please. honestly. >> you go back and look at her position positions in the state department: >> what positions in the state department make her a neocon. name one. >> well, in every question howard where -- and, by the way, this is organizing the obvious. in every situation where there was a question of whether force should or should not be used hillary clinton was on the side of using force. and that's just a matter of record. >> the iraq war she and i have a difference of opinion, that was 15 years ago. >> kind of a big one. >> libya. >> it was also 12 years ago. what did we do wrong in libya? >> we went into libya and libya is an absolute mess because of. >> it libya was a worse mess when qaddafi was running the place and qaddafi was about to commit genocide on his people. >> let's go ba ee's go to bob a cokie. >> some of these past policies have not been great. i think