>> robert silk. >> robert silk. okay. >> robert silk. >> if you look at the victimology of robert silk, he was essentially a gentle soul. but he was a loner, he was a computer guy that stayed to himself. so, to say that he would all of a sudden jump out as an extrovert and say, can i help you with whatever, it doesn't make sense. >> he went upstairs and i said can i use your bathroom? he said, yeah, go upstairs and use the bathroom. i got to the bathroom and he's sitting there with his birthday suit on. i tried to push by him. he knew i ben in jail. he said you been in jail, you should know about this, right? and he touched me and i learned in prison that only the cruellest sir vief, right? and i spend around and i hit him every which way you can hit a person. you see his autopsy reports. this man was beaten, all his ribs was broken, his skull was broken, everything. i went berserk on him. >> reggie had alleged that robert silk had been a homosexual aggressor trying to get him to engage in sexual activity. there's n

catherine was robert's alibi and robert was my sister's alibi. if he goes, i go, her words. she says, you have to get rid of him. you have to do it for mom. >> cathy's mother was stabbed 37 times in the face and neck. that's not a crime for $100 in the cash register. that's a crime of passion. andrew has been with her through all of this. you're going to believe your sister when she starts talking about this stuff. we need to protect our family. >> and then there's a plethora of questions. how much of involvement does she have in this crime? >> could cathy suh do this? yes, i think she could have done this. >> on my father's deathbed, i promised i wouldn't let nothing happen to my mother. i even promised my mother, i'll never let anything wrong happen. i'll always be there for you. for me to fail was unacceptable. i couldn't accept that. it was my duty as a son to right this wrong. i didn't have anybody to confide in. who do you tell this to? i found out who killed my mother, what do i do next? there's nobody i can turn to. it was my sister and that was it. >> it was as if c

during my visit, i'm robert. i don't talk about what goes on in here to my kids. i let them know about the mistakes i made so they don't repeat them so they don't end up in here. do what i can for them moneywise. you know, send them money and, you know, put it in the bank and hopefully they, you know, college, you know? that's what i want. i want them to accomplish things that i wish i had. i want my sons to be a better person than me, you know? >> how are you sending them money? >> i can't tell you that. i get an allowance and some of it goes to my kids. most of it. i got four kids, so i got four different bank accounts for them, you know? once i'm gone, they have that. they have something i left. you know, at least i did something. new hampshire primary now just two days away. last night, the most bitter republican debate yet. >> there it is. >> he knows -- >> there it is. the memorized 25-second speech. >> at stake, can donald trump rebound from his disappointing iowa finish? can marco rubio keep his momentum going and surge in new hampshire? can bush, kasich o

it's registered to a man named eric robert rudolph. a little more than 24 hours after the birmingham bomb blast, federal agents arrive in the rural town of murphy, north carolina. the home of eric rudolph. unfortunately, the news travels faster than they do. >> the investigation of a deadly bombing at a clinic in alabama that performs abortions is centering on a gray nissan pick-up and a man who may know something about it. just moments ago investigators announced they have issued a material witness warrant for eric robert rudolph. they say he may have information about that truck. >> investigators rush to eric rudolph's last known address, hoping to catch him before he hears the news. >> by the time law enforcement authorities, both local and the local sheriff's office and the fbi and atf showed up at the trailer, the door was swinging in the wind. when you step inside here, you could tell that the individual who had left this trailer left in a big, big hurry. >> there were guns left in the trailer. there was a fairly substantial amou

. >> in 1992, robert glenn was sentenced to three years for auto theft. when we met him 15 years later at california state prison corcoran, he was still in prison. two of his former cellmates were six feet under. glenn murdered the first one while he was still in county jail. >> i slashed his throat repeatedly. blood was everywhere. and then another inmate passed me a shank, probably about that long, with a handle on it and i just started stabbing him. stabbed him over 100 times, in the back, sides, the neck. he was crying, telling me to stop, begging for me to stop. he was still alive through all of it. >> you're smiling. >> i like that. that was one of my favorite ones right there. >> he surprised me in that he had a gleefulness about him as he was discussing the violence he had committed in prison. he had this proud little smile as he was telling us these very disturbing and violent acts. >> after murdering his cell mate in jail, glenn came to prison where his predatory behavior escalated. >> while i was there for about a year, i got about 14 assault o

john roberts, i think, can be a defended choice for sure. just, you know, the obamacare decision i was disappointed in. but he's made some really good rulings beyond that. here's the deal, i think the lesson learned is, you pick someone with a proven, long-standing record, a history that you can point too, when he wasn't considered or she wasn't being considered for a nomination of the supreme court. >> the unexpected court vacancy has legal world buzzing we have destabilized the middle east. >> but so you -- so i mean -- so you still think he should be impeached? >> i think it's my turn. >> you do whatever you want. you call it whatever you want. i want to tell you, they lied. they said there were weapons of mass destruction. there were none. and they knew there were none. there were no weapons of mass destruction. >> okay, all right. >> i'm sick and tired of barack obama blaming my brother for all of the problems that he's had. and frankly, i could care less about the insults that donald trump gives to me. it's blood sport for him. he enjo

her colleagues, robert and mark, get out of the jeep. vicki stays at the wheel where she keeps the videocamera recording and a watchful eye on zomba in case the group is forced to make a hasty retreat. >> if somehow the mother get back and find us there, out of the car, struggling with the calf, i don't know what would have happened. it would have been really, really, really dangerous. >> the calf is eight months old and enormous. posing a serious threat to robert and mark's safety. >> they weigh 200 pounds when they're born, and this was eight months of good food and lots of mom's milk. >> we could not get in there, so our option was to use the ropes. >> their plan is to harness the calf with a rope attached to the jeep and pull. the calf has been in the well for hours and is exhausted. its mother is still nearby, so a quick rescue is essential. the calf has stirred up mud, and the sides of the pit are extremely slippery. >> i was terrified the rope would pull taut and one would trip and fall in. it's very dangerous. >> the baby elephan

and robert costa is still with us. maria teresa, that ted cruz going on about liar liar pants on fire and all that reduces the entire campaign -- he may think that that works as a way of mocking donald trump. but it makes the entire campaign of all of them look ridiculous. >> well, i think a lot of folks are not going to remember the campaign of 2006 when the congress lost -- the republicans lost the house back to the democrats. in exit polls the number one reason that people actually basically ousted the republicans was because they didn't trust them. they actually said that they thought they were -- the american people thought that they were lying to them. so this word, this idea of trust, this idea that you are lying to me, it weighs very heavily on the electorate. so i think that the republican party has a bigger problem because i think right now if you were to poll the majority of americans and say do you think any of these candidates are telling you the truth the majority of them are going to say i don't. >> i wa

back in washington, robert costa joins us, msnbc analyst as well. the republican party's reacting now to the news of trump's dominance in different ways. for some they are pushing resistance. henry barber, the nephew of hallie barber, a member of the republican national committee said, after trump has won in new hampshire and south carolina, republicans are crazy and are about to blow the white house if we don't rally to stop him, close quote. marco rubio made the case for why the party needed to nominate him. >> we can't win. if we nominate someone, if we nominate someone that half of the republican party hates, we're going to be fighting against each other all the way to november. we will never win that way. i don't care how much you may think they're funny or how interesting they may sound. if we nominate someone that 40% to 50% of our party can't stand, we are going to lose. >> katy, i don't know what all these guys are thinking, but he sounded desperate. we've got a leak in the dike, we've got to stop this thing. >> which is the case right now.

also with us robert costa. robert costa, so what do we think it means that donald trump has done less handshaking in new hampshire than any other candidate? >> it could have a political cost. trump has been campaigning all year on ads, on his celebrity, on television appearances. and we saw a little bit of his support in iowa was soft. he wasn't having much of a ground game. here in new hampshire he's doing more in the final few days, but he's not doing the same as his rivals, who were holding many town halls. >> david, what do you think? >> you know, the interesting thing is for month after month after month there was one story of this campaign, it was donald trump. he overshadowed -- >> i remember that. >> remember that? >> is it over? please tell me it's over. >> but now he has to share the spotlight. there's a ted cruz story, a marco rubio story. on tuesday there may be, i'm not promising, a jeb bush or john kasich story, maybe a chris christie story, and of course the bernie story. so he's not one guy and

john roberts i think can be a defended choice for sure. the obamacare decision i was disappointed in but he's made really good rulings beyond that here's the deal. the lesson learned is you pick someone with a proven long-standing record, a history that you can point to. when he wasn't considered -- or she wasn't being considered a nomination in the supreme court. >> so, sam, the battle began immediately after scalia -- >> five minutes. five minutes. >> i would usually be offended by such things but it was so obviously a titanic event in american politics that you couldn't be shocked saying oh, we must mourn for two or three days, i expected it immediately and you know what? justice scalia would have expected it immediately, too, because so many cases hang in the balance, 5-4. "heller" is just one of them. the gun case. >> it does raise a question about the structure of our lifetime appointments to the supreme court. maybe it will spark a conversation about judicial term limits. >> you and dr. ben car jon? ben carson does agree with that.

robert glen is no exception. though ironically, his prison history all began with one nonviolent crime. >> i came to prison for grand theft auto, i got sentenced to three years. >> but instead of simply doing his time and going home, robert has assaulted more than a dozen inmates, lengthening his original sentence. >> because of all of them assaults, my points again rose to a level four inmate. and the classification committee decided to give me a indeterminant cshu term, and put me up with a aryan brotherhood member, and that began my life as a prison gang. >> the aryan brotherhood used robert to carry out their dirty work. >> prison gangs involved everything from stabbings, killings, drugs, weapons, whatever needed to be done. i did it. >> we warn you. the details of his violent acts is extremely graphic. >> there was an inmate that came up here. he was accused of raping a woman out on the street. because i was up in coming in a gang at that time, it felt to me to either make another inmate kill him or i myself

ism -- i know we still have robert costa here in the spin room. how are you doing, robert? >> doing good. we also have aaron and elise. starting with you, robert, the mood here generally about who won and what matters in south carolina? >> reporter: here in the spin room a lot of the establishment candidates, more of the mainstream republicans feel they had an opening tonight. their argument in the spin room was donald trump was running against the republican party, running against the policies and views, especially on foreign policy that that have become the center of the policy over the last decade. they say especially in a state like social security that gives a rubio or bush or anyone else like a john kasich to move forward and the trump people feel pretty confident, too. they think they established themselves as someone a little counter and -- >> gabe, i don't want to add to the urgency of the moment. but i understand you guys are going to be kicked out of there at some point? the spinning must stop? is that right? >> yes, that's right. the spin room is quickly clearin

joining me now, university of nevada las vegas professor robert lang. he's also a senior fellow at the brookings institution. good to see you.

dip into that, robert, but i want your thinking. does donald trump have the heart, the character, to take that loss last night and come on and win and show he still has character inside? i'm not talking about moral character, i'm talking about political character? does he have it? >> we're watching it in real time. i was on the tarmac when his boeing landed tonight. he came out of his plane with his daughter. he said let's go. they went to stop at his campaign head quarters, told them to keep making calls, not get distracted. making a play for new hampshire, brush aside what happened in iowa, move forward. he is showing some heart by going to his grassroots volunteers tonight, not going to any big donor or republican elites, going to the grassroots people, scott brown and know the terrain here. >> scott, thanks for coming on the show from the globe. let me ask you about the voteser in new hampshire. to me, two kinds of voters in new hampshire. the old yankee type, minority, used to be up there in big numbers, and the irish italian g

i think robert and others are right. it's a very volatile electorate on both the democratic and republican side. look, i think at the end of the day there's still, you know, three days away from tuesday's a lifetime. there's going to be so much, you know, free press scrutiny, so many events, debate tonight. you know, it could well be a different world on tuesday. i will say, though, i think what robert said earlier is correct. i think both electorates, the democrats and republicans, will be trying to choose between their head and their heart. and what makes new hampshire so volatile right now in february is we're not talking about april, may, june. this may be the time still when people feel that they have the ability to go with their heart versus their head. the head may come later in april, may, and june. >> well, and, fred, when we think about polling, when we say -- it says beneath your face on tv it says democratic pollster, ie, you've done polling for campaigns not just what most people see day to day which are the

robert costa, on the democratic side, there is a lot to talk about. hillary clinton so-called fire wall in south carolina. if donald trump comes out of new hampshire in anything but first place, does he have a fire wall in south carolina? or are his wall built on that kind of, like a very collapsable house of cards based on the notion that he wins everything? >> south carolina is a crucial state for donald trump. there is a sense that trump has been winning in the polls in south carolina for months on end. big leads in the poll. this is state lines where newt gingrich didn't win there. work the media savvy campaign. he doesn't need a the love grounds game in south carolina. that's where he could come back. there is a sense that has to be a state that he wins. new hampshire remains the target. this is a state pat buchanan won. anti-illegal immigration. this is his home base. >> david, just an example of how die animalic and fluid this electorate is. i was talking to an undecided voter. she is undecided between ted cruz and hillary clinton. that's how u

joining us now alex wagoner, and robert costa and and stewart stev stevens. alex, donald trump certainly has ted cruz figured out. >> all that dirty campaigning. that's a canadian thing. >> can i say i think it would behoove the media not to sound the death nol for donald trump's campaign as yet. keep in mind that people voted for donald trump and people have been not because he's a winner, but because he voices for a certain conservative for whom he remains a very potent and viable candidate. i mean he is leading by 20 points in new hampshire. he's leading by double digits in other polls and collectively he and ted cruz, who are at extreme ends of the republican party got over 50% of the vote in iowa. this strain of conservativisms is not going anywhere as yet. >> robert costa, i'm fascinated about how muted trump was tonight in new hampshire about canada. that was his only reference to ted cruz being canadian born and there's a lot of french canadian in new hampshire talking about canada up in new hampshire is a different thing perhaps than talking about it

we now want to bring in chris hays and robert costa. of course, msnbc's own, as is robert costa but we share him from time to time with "the washington post." let's talk mostly about others who are feeling the bern, the sanders campaign. chris, specifically, your conversation with him yesterday on the bus. when a lot of us thought we saw a continuation of this kind of new sanders, a little tougher, harder edge. >> yeah. i mean, i think they're sharpening their message, frankly and understand this is a campaign within grasp for them. in a way, four or five months ago, when they were 40 or 50 points behind, no one thought they would be. i also talked to him a little bit about the fact he is now facing a democratic party that he has an awkward relationship with to a certain extent. he never identified as a democrat for most of his career in congress and this is fundamentally a party exercise. he's the party nominee and i asked him, what kind of leader he would be of the democratic party. this is what he said. >> if elected president, i wou

we'll see, robert. i don't know. thank you. >>> coming up, republicans, donald trump, marco rubio, and ted cruz, have all called to keep the prison at guantanamo bay open. we know that. we have said that a couple times. up next, i'll talk live with their supporters. one from the rubio camp, one from the cruz campaign. how do they react to some of the dollar figures, some of the numbers presented from the president, putting american taxpayers on the hook for a sizable amount of money to keep the prison open. ve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you. >>> we are monitoring senator marco rubio's campaign event this hour in

senator roberts says the hold on mr. fanning for secretary of the army is nothing personal, he say it's about guantanamo. regardless of the reason for the hold, it appears to be semieternal. there appears to be no end in sight. so officially eric fanning is not able to perform the duties of army secretary. and nobody else is either. acting in his place right now is this guy who you know. former congressman patrick murray. patrick murphy is an iraq war veteran, he was the first iraq war veteran to serve in congress. he opposed the iraq war. he was outspoken about it. won a bronze star as an airborne major in the war. the senate ended up approving him just before christmas. today he was finally officially sworn in as the 32nd undersecretary of the united states army. who is -- which means right now he is the top civilian official in the u.s. army, at least until senator pat roberts decides to let our country have a secretary of the army sometime again. this is a really big deal for patrick murphy. it's also just a really b

let's say he goes for his robert bork. who would be his idyllic, idealogical kancandidate who wo fulfill the obama jurisprudence. >> i want to be a law student and push back for a minute. i fithink if you look at obama' last two nominees, the qualities he was looking for and he was very explicit about this when he seated sonia sotomayor, he said i want empathy, someone who can walk in the other guy's shoes. when he seated elena kagan, he said i want a uniter, someone who can reach across the aisle. certainly, if he had his dreamy left-wing bomb thrower, he might pick someone like professor pam carlin, he might pick someone who is really far in the parlance to the left, like goodwin lue. but i think these qualities of empathy, of restraint, of reaching across the aisle seem really important to obama, perhaps because they're qualities he sees and values in himself. >> and greg, let's talk about maybe potential candidates who fit what dahlia has described as sort of the obama doctrine of what he wants. also somebody who might

robert, let me start you. i mean, as someone who is as plugged in as you are in the world of sort of the republican political establishment, republican political operatives and donors, is this read that i have on it, which is about the worst thing they could have hoped for last night, is that correct? >> the calendar works in trump's favor, chris. when you talk to people close to trump and those part of other rival campaigns, there's a sense that south carolina a state where trump has led about a year. he's been hiring people there since february of 2015. and there's a sense that even if he doesn't do as well as expected in south carolina, he goes strong into the south on march 1st, the deep south. you got alabama and other states and other blue collar new england states like massachusetts coming up on that day. >> you mentioned the ground game. i want to play this clip from trump last night talking about the ground game like it was a two-word phrase that someone has whispered to him about 72 hours before the

you look at the votes under john roberts and onso sam alito. the opposition from democrats in 2005 and 2006 wasn't enough to stop either of those nominees, but you had opposition then you weren't seeing 20 years earlier. >> republicans would say that was mounting on the democratic side and the rule changing has happened from both sides. thanks for jumping on the phone with us. i want to go to our own chris matthews here. chris, as i've been doing with several people i've talked to tonight, i want to start with scalia, the man, before we get to the politics. your view view of the kind of person he was. the jubilant, excitable, and direct, strong leader that he was. >> well, i guess i'm fortunate to have grown up around people like justice scalia, antonin scalia. he's a man of his times, a man of his religion, a conservative roman catholic. the kind of guy my dad hung out with and enjoyed the company of for most of his adulthood, the knights of columbus. a classic catholic in the sense that his philosophy of the courts and his political, his poli

and i would not have nominated john roberts. once george bush nominated him, i supported the nomination as a republican nominee, but i would have nominated my former boss, a court of appeals judge, justice scalia's very first law clerk and had a long proven track record. and, chuck, just as ronald reagan was to the presidency, so antonin scalia was to the supreme court. he had that big an impact. and i think his passing yesterday really underscores the stakes of this election. we are facing our fundamental rights in a balance. >> let me ask you, does the united states senate have an obligation to at least consider a nomination that president obama puts forward? i understand that you guys don't want it. and you would prefer to let the -- but doesn't the united states have an obligation to at least go through the process and have an up or down vote? >> not remotely. >> why? >> it has been 80 years since a supreme court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. there is a long tradition that you don't do this in an e

. >> robert costa, tell me what you think is all going on down there in south carolina. >> great to be with you, chris. i was at the trump event last night, talked to the trump campaign. you get a sense they're confident in south carolina. this is going to give them a boost going into the nevada caucuses. going into the super tuesday in march 1st. the real race is for second place between rubio and cruz. rubio people have the establishment behind them in south carolina. the open question, though, is does cruz gotvf-ers eclipse the networks of the other? and the third place a subcompetition governor bush is trying to stay in the race and trying to stay upbeat this is an important stand for him and governor kasich is attracting some eleventh hour converts who like his message and he's trying to stay in through mid-march as well. >> okay, robert and kathleen -- go ahead, kathleen. >> i was just going to say one thing that i'm hearing that jeb bush is going to hang in there until florida. >> okay. not going to quit even if he does bad tonight. anyway, thank you, thank you kathleen and robe

and robert costa, an msnbc political analyst. john, pass it over to mark when you're done. how do you see the whole race, trump sort of -- i think he's pretty much happy right now, based upon our interview. john, and then mark. how is the race playing? >> chris, i think there's a rough consensus now, if you take what the rival campaigns are saying, and look at the public polling that donald trump is likely to win the new hampshire primary tomorrow. likely to win it bay healthy margin. whether he's over 30 or under 30, unclear. anything besides that is totally unknown. the polling is really tough to read. there's at least four or five candidates who are in contention to finish second. >> mark? >> unless trump really surges above where he is, or cruz surges above where he is, i think mathematically it's likely one of the four establishment gets in the 20s. and i think they leave with a leg up. it means one of them will leave with a leg up. >> guys, there are always about two or three points. how many votes haven't been decided as yet in the polling? >> i think there's a sense

robert, let me start with you, because you're there at the site of tonight's debate. what is your sense from the people you're reporting and talking to your sources of what the game plan is for the anti-trump forces in tonight's debate? >> speaking of allies and advisors to both rubio and cruz, i've gotten a sense from my reporters that trump is the target. they may have played down expectations ahead of tonight, but they know this is an urgent moment just days before super tuesday. if they can't take him out or gain ground, it's hard to see where they're going in the coming weeks. >> advisors have woken up to what is the obvious and obvious to everyone else. stewart stevens, who is campaign manager for mitt romney, this framework of lanes has led people as stray, go after the person most popular. what do you think, are there lines of attack that have yet to be trotted out that you think could possibly work with the gop electorate? >> look, i think if they had a strategy to take out trump, we would have seen it by now, right? you've seen the debates, you don't need me

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. >> joined by msnbc hallie jackson, katy tur, and robert costa. i have to talk to, let's see, hallie jackson right now. what is the cruz team thinking when they put out the word, the statement by sanford that trump is a truther, that he somehow has been charging that bush was involved in 9/11. bush was never a truther. what is this statement all about? >> that's coming from mark sanford here. while he is endorsing ted cruz, i'm not sure that's something you're seeing out in the cruz campaign. it's not a line of attack that ted cruz has pursued. he has pursued a lot of them. this hasn't been one in particular. sanford talks about not just his concern with a potential trump candidacy, but also, why he is for ted cruz and why he is is backing him up. >> this was dirty -- hallie, this looks look a dirty trick in politics. nobody, trump, whatever you say about his position, on the iraq war, why would anybody construe the fact that what trump has said in any way makes him a truther, one of those nuts out there that somehow believes george w. bush blew u

he praised justice roberts on his conservatism, on his judicial methodology and did push for john roberts which gave us obamacare. so senator cruz really doesn't have a right to say that someone else is going to appoint someone that may be liberal in the courts. >> let me just ask you really quickly about some things that were written about the debate the other night. from town hall they said, quote, about donald trump, he came off as unhinged, angry and liberal. the national review said, by the normal rules trump's embracing a blood liable about george w. bush, he knew there were no wmd in iraq saying planned parenthood does great things and often swinging wildly and angrily would hurt him in a socially conservative south carolina. but we'll see. what's your response? i mean, those are two examples of people who thought frankly that donald trump was over the top on saturday night. >> well, donald trump was definitely feisty, defending himself and his positions, but i will also say that donald trump is an outsider candidate, he is not inside the echo chamber which so many people are used

koch roberts. i will not release something until my democratic opponent does. >> the reason i agree with you, joe, i think it's all distracting. enough already with all of this stuff. she's trying desperately to keep the conversation about the issues that she's concerned about. >> release the transcripts, we'll move on. it's her fault we're talking about it. >> she raised money off of wall street. she's running against a guy who has no connection, taken nothing from them. prove the point. >>> coming up on "morning joe," does marco rubio suddenly have a conservative problem? he had to cancel one forum and now reports say he may not go to the biggest conservative event on the calendar. we'll hear from the head of the american conservative union when "morning joe" continues. >>> my exclusive interview with melania trump is also ahead. be good. text mom. boys have been really good today. send. let's get mark his own cell phone. nice. brad could use a new bike. send. [google] message. you decide. they'r

it's thursday, february the 11th, i'm thomas roberts on a throwback thursday edition of "way too early." i have the mug to prove it. we are live in columbia, south carolina, as the race is shifting to the first in the south primary. so fresh off his 22 point vict

justice roberts approved obamacare twice. ted cruz gave us obamacare. >> it is no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper tantrum or if you like another trumper tantrum. >> ted cruz coins a new term. and hillary clinton and bernie sanders go head to head tonight in the first and only debate before the first of the nation primary. they're trying to set a record as to who the real progressive is. it's 5:30 on the east coast, 2:30 out west. this is "way too early." >>> good morning. it's thursday, february the 4th. i'm louis burgdorf. hillary clinton and bernie sanders will meet on a debate stage tonight after all. they gave viewers a preview of the collision yet to come.

let me start with this, robert. the south carolina exit polling, first politics were to give a name for the top three, trump, cruz and rubio, trump was mr. change and cruz was mr. values. rubio is more electability. here's my question to you. how much is leblelectability weighing on the minds of republican primary voters, and is rubio now in a position where he's in a position, if you don't like trump and want somebody who can beat hillary clinton, pick me. >> the electability is weighing on the people behind me here at capitol hill, the insiders and general voters want someone with an appeal to mainstream voters and suburbs across america in november. but in the republican party base, this has been for over a year, an election about outsiders, about populism, about taking on the system. and to an extent, about conservative values. >> jay, i have a theory about this. i'm curious what you think about this. you've written about hillary clinton quite a bit. my theory is that in the world of conservative media and the s

it's a seven foot by 12 foot. >> robert fry was sentenced to death in 2005. he's currently in the appeal process. >> we first met robert while shooting the original "lockup: new mexico" episode in 2005. >> let me ask you a question. is it a greater sin to steal a cracker or to kill someone? >> to kill someone. >> god doesn't see it that way. you break one sin, you break all sins. so what does it matter what sin you perpetrate. i'm not afraid to die. i'm not afraid to be dead. you know, i've made my peace with god. i've made my peace with this world. i'm trying to do the best i can to live in this world with what time i have left. whether it be next year or 100 years. who knows, you know? >> these two rooms here are for witnesses of the execution as determined by the warden. we keep them separate because, obvious, if it's victims versus family members of the inmate, we wouldn't want them to be in the same area. also present is the attorney general, which is the highest-ranking legal official of the state of new mexico. >> my death may be scheduled, but it's no

back to you, brian and rachel. >> chris matthews with robert costa out in des moines. we're hearing from viewers, yes, when the doors close, we'll still be able to see these caucuses at work. yes, you heard that you can caucus if you're 17 in iowa. as long as you're turning 18 by november. and why is iowa the first in the country? it is because it is. the party enforces it. they will actually penalize you with convention delegates if you try to jump in front of iowa as the first caucus, or new hampshire as the first primary. and we're going to take another break, as we approach the top of the hour. and the closing of the doors where our cameras will remain behind. it's caucus night in iowa. decision 2016. >>> doors close in the iowa caucuses, and the caucuses themselves start up in about a quarter hour. a live shot from des moines. we were talking earlier this hour about congressional endorsements for the democratic candidates. bernie sanders has two congressional endorsements. at least that we know of. keith ellison and raul. put that up against hillary clinton's cong

. >> the igi team also finds a sketch of dice with the numbers 2 and 5 in robert's cell. this could earn him a point and bring him one step closer to being validated as a 2-5 member. >> i got a drawing in pen up there. i believe it's in my folder. that's all that is. that dice and all that [ bleep ]. you guys trip on numbers and all of that. i don't put too much emphasis on numbers. me, i feel what is real and that is it. i don't do that [ bleep ]. you know i was going to be straight up. you know if i wasn't going to be straight up --fy got something to hide, why wouldn't i give myself up? >> how many 2-5ers do we have left on this side? >> i'm going to tell you the truth, that i know of, none, because the simple fact that either you got them all or you scared them so bad that they went into hiding. >> robert now has two out of three points the igi needs to validate him as a 2-5 member. if another piece of evidence is discovered, he could spend the rest of his sentence in the shu. >> you know what? this whole thing is a cat and mouse game. this whole chasing these guys, c

. >> officer robert powell gets out of his car, gun drawn, as she tries to explain. >> my mom is dying. >> do you understand? >> as i turned around, he has a gun pointed at me. and just a cold look in his eyes, letting me know i don't care. >> my mom is dying. >> do you understand? >> i was walking toward a cop, a hostile cop with a gun. >> what would you do in this situation? disobey a policeman with his gun drawn or stay and miss the only opportunity you'll have to stay good-bye to your dying mother. for tamesha, the decision is an easy one. >> get over -- >> along with her great aunt, she heads into the hospital. >> i know a lot of people think that what i did was crazy or dangerous, but the truth of the matter is there is nothing in the world that would have kept me from going up at the time that i did. >> ryan is faced with a decision too. should he disobey the officer, should he go into the hospital like his wife? officer powell hasn't responded to reason yet and moats feels he's running out of time. >> you ran a red light. >> my mother is dying! right now! right now. >> that doe